How Conservatives Created (and Cancelled) Gender 

You're alright, but your weird autism self-diagnosis video was all over the place. Although I think it's just struck me that the entire 'lying about autism on the internet' thing is a kink thing, right? It's so that you can r@pe each other and feel somewhat like it's legal. And once you're in that community, you'll likely never get out, just because of the taboo nature of what you guys do to each other, it's ingenious really. You guys are just common or garden preverts, very cool

throw in that shirt you're wearing for the part about the horses and you got yourself a deal!

Cis people can't comprehend intersex people it's like a Lovecraft concept made by the woke leftist to them

@@jarrellfamily1422 What are you on about? The correct terminology is DSDs, Disorder o Sexual Development, not the misleading and outdated "intersex" label. Every single person with a DSD, is either male or female. Most of the conditions are even fully sex-specific, never affecting the other sex. There is nothing hard to comprehend about DSDs in terms of what sex a person is.

Ew ground news. I thought you were a left-wing channel, why promote ground news and its liberal BS???

In biology it’s not a saying, but it’s widely known that all systems of classification are wrong. There are always exceptions. We’re all just trying to make sense of things lol

@@melitrophium well there is a saying “the standard biologist’s answer is I know it when I see it” which is to say, we don’t know and we are scrambling to find places to draw lines, as though evolution did not long prove that there is no such thing as a species, and viruses did not long prove there is no such thing as life.

@@julzbehr6696 real 🙏 on that note, if anyone is interested in reading more takes on how these flimsy boundaries relate to queerness and relationships, I loved "Virology: essays for the living, the dead, and the small things in between" by Joseph Osmundson

Omg this sounds really interesting, thanks for sharing! ​@@melitrophium

For whatever it's worth, I'm a biologist (specifically a botanist and a quantitative ecologist) and we also use that phrase too. It may be more common for those of us who work more with statistical models of complex systems, like population biologists and ecologists.

The female lead from Easy A even said that when she was acting on set (in the plot her character disguises herself as her twin brother and cuts her hair, etc.) being referred to with he/him pronouns in the script gave her gender dysphoria

this is a perfect example of how gender dysphoria is not a trans exclusive experience, in fact most people experience this to varying degrees. We all have our ideal gender for ourselves whether born into it or not. The more people can realise this the more we can understand that harming trans healthcare isnt going to hurt just trans people, but everyone in the long run.

@@iuruoy-shao do you mean she’s the man?

As a transwoman I don't understand why we say that gender dysphoria is only for trans people, I think all insecurities that are linked to gender are gender dysphoria, and that's also why I think gender dysphoria shouldn't be considered a mental illness, most people probably experience gender dysphoria, trans people just happen to not have the "right" gender dysphoria.

@Gladissims Is it gender dysphoria if I feel uncomfortable about having a very big chest instead of having a flat chest? (I'm a cis woman, but I greatly envy women who have a naturally flat chest.)

Gender fluidity is as much an imaginary deal as your absolute masculinité and absolute féminité. Funny how this so called Woke generation is as much cornered itself into a mental dogmatic box as the previous générations. How one generation destroyed years of hard gained progress, it's uncanny.

Their lane is conformity to their version of their religion. What science they use, abuse or ignore has everything to do with their belief they have a right to express power by whaever means. They consider their hypocrisy merely a show of dominance accordingly.

👏👏👏👏

Yes, people with disorders of sexual development have historically insisted on bodily integrity, and as such have no truck with trans activism, which is all about chemical/surgical intervention.

@@umamicashflow1809 I don't need you explaining what I already know back to me with a anti-trans edge, man. Especially after using the term "disorders of sex development". Go find some anti-woke clowns to watch or some shit.

@@umamicashflow1809 I don't know how you got any of those ideas or that it's 'disordered' to be intersex, per se in the first place. And actually there's plenty of *overlap* with the trans community sine many *do* need surgical /'chemical' treatments to feel right, they just don't want doctors arbitrarily trying to alter ambiguous infants or kids to conform to the anatomical binary *before they even have a say in it.* Notably cause the last figures I saw on it said that doctors somehow have a worse track record of picking 'right' for intersex kids' gender identities than if they'd just tossed a coin. A lot of chromosomal intersex conditions people might walk around all their lives and never even know it, but quite a few go through the same experiences as trans people, who are arguably just another form or degree of intersex anyway.

But the actual difference would be that PBs were being used to block an early puberty for you (if i understand correctly) but would be blocking a "natural" puberty for trans kids, and we dont know the effects of that. No?

​@@Super-BallSharp We know it blocks the undesired puberty, which can cause actual, real, measurable trauma in trans people. The brain is very much a part of the body that deserves attention and care, same as any other organ. Mental health care is genuine and real health care, the same as any other

@@Super-BallSharpSo you would support the banning of puberty blockers for all cis kids too, surely? Since we don’t have strong evidence, such as randomized double blind studies, demonstrating the long term effects. i.e. for the same reason trans kids are now being denied the medication. Or should we draw a distinction between “natural” and “unnatural” puberty?By age, by cis or trans, by motivation. Whatever it is, if you agree with the Cass report findings, you’ll need strong evidence to support your position to prescribe or not.

@@AnArmoredMarch uh.. i know this? And i dont really see how it counters or answers my question?

​@@Super-BallSharp Where does your criteria for "natural" puberty end? Some people might say that someone with adrenal hyperplasia going through puberty at a young age is "natural." Their body "naturally" began developing secondary sex characteristics, without the use of any medical intervention in the first place. Perhaps going on puberty blockers was just as "unnatural" because it put a pause on what their body originally did. Yet most people do not see it this way. They believe the positives of putting cisgender kids with precocious puberty (such as improved mental health due to the ability to fit in, and more time to just be a kid for longer) outweigh the negatives. There are actually multiple long-term studies of transgender children who had been on puberty blockers showing that it greatly improved their mental health in the same way. Yet these are disregarded as "inefficient" and "biased" while research papers created by people with histories of anti-trans opinions are allowed to be used because they're totally unbiased, right? (Heavy sarcasm there). The real problem is that puberty is a ticking clock, and if we keep trying to hold off on puberty blockers for trans kids based on apprehension directly related to their identity (which we do not do for cisgender kids with precocious puberty), the children who really need that care are forced to go through the torment of a puberty they never wanted- usually causing higher rates of gender surgeries like mastectomies in the future to reverse these changes anyway. I urge you to think more critically about what is so different about using puberty blockers for trans kids and puberty blockers for cis kids, and why it matters. Sincerely, a transgender man who also has adrenal hyperplasia. :)

I was gonna say the same thing. Honestly alot of stuff regarding women's health exclude women and people who work closely with women

also anything to do with fatness

Well they can always close early and go protest.

Yes

Pretty much anything involving opressed people to be honest. Including kiddos

its like that one guy getting ratio’d by the dictionary

I’m not sure faking would be enough for me, I might just die on the spot from pure shame.

Yet it’s clear Matt Walsh has no shame and I think we all knew this long before the Rogan incident.

​@@estenslop CANCEL CULTURE STRIKES AGAIN!

If you can say one nice thing about Joe Rogan, he not afraid to point out the clown behavior on the right.

Insufficient double blind trials, I imagine.

I'm suspecting of anecdotal evidences.

sorry to hear that... would it make you feel better to volunteer as a test subject for that?

@@nescius2 i would volunteer 🖐

Yeah they probably should’ve linked the caspian report and the nice report. That kind of stuff is really important for a credible video essay

Also best example for why, if not controlled and mitigated, it's a self-harming medical disorder that exists apart from social gender as invented by ideological progressives. It's a biology-driven dysphoria, not a social one. And of course, medical exceptions validate the normative.

For those who don't know, there has been some recent research and we now know slightly more about the end of her life. The census mentioned showed her living in her hometown after she was granted a legal name change in Bohemia, but it turns out she moved to Allersberg in Bavaria after ethnic Germans were expulsed from Czechoslovakia. She lived there until her death in 1966, 35 years after her vaginoplasty, at the age of 74. Hopefully we'll learn even more soon, as the researcher mentioned that they learned more but I don't know when that will be published.

Mentioning Magnus Herschfeld in the same paragraph as transgenderism…That’s going to be a yikes from me. Bigots love making this connection. It’s like mentioning Barbara Spectre or Noel Ignatiev.

Hi Abigail, thanks for contextualizing this further. I’ll admit that the British Medical System is not my expertise. I appreciate you highlighting the earlier history of this policy decision that goes back to the Bell v. Tavistock decision. It’s important to note that these policy decisions are not clean reactions to medical research, but politically motivated systemic actions that problematize trans life. Ultimately, the intention of this video was not to be the ultimate Cass Review/NHS “takedown,” so I had to make some decisions on where I spent my energy, leading to some oversights and omissions. Had it been my intention to take on Cass or the NHS or British transphobia, I would’ve spent a lot more time outlining all the nefarious connections different journalists have pointed out. You could write an entire video in and of itself that ties together the different suspicious knots in the Cass Review. I assume you’re referring to Trilby Langton and her connections to “Exploratory Therapy.” I think it’s certainly worth the time to show the anti-trans bias surrounding the review. But since this video wasn’t supposed to be a Cass Review takedown video, I didn’t want to make strong claims that couldn’t be quickly, cleanly, and firmly demonstrated. Rather, I wanted the main focus of this video to be about the frameworks we use to talk about gender. Because even if we lived in a cute fantasy world where The Cass Review was a genuine good-faith effort to “review the evidence,” the whole way of thinking of trans experience as a medicalized disorder is fundamentally flawed. The way I see it, regardless of whether or not you include trans people or surround yourself with sketchy transphobic connections, the search for evidence in favor of gender-affirming care is always going to be fraught as long as (trans)gender identity is pathologized. Underlying the Cass Review is the assumption that a trans life is an undesirable life, a uniquely disordered life, and/or a life to be avoided at all costs. I think this is the larger question that is the heart of the issue. P.S. Your video on Judith Butler was great!

@@alexander_avila No one can be "born in the wrong body", our brains ARE our body just as much as any other part of it. We are the sex we are, regardless of what our personal relationship is with the sexist stereotypes in society. "Trans" ideology, is regressive and sexist, as there is no "correct way" of being a boy or girl, man or woman, all those terms do is indicate sex and stage of maturity - decoupling sex and gender and trying to make gender into this ludicrous concoction of personality and sexist stereotypes is beyond regressive - it actively harms people who buy into it - the idea that there is something wrong with a kid's body that needs to be chemically altered because they believe living up to sexist stereotypes is some real measure of whether they are a boy or a girl (and man or woman for adults obviously), is insanity. I have asked hundreds of "activists" and "allies" to explain what they are measuring themselves against to determine that they have a need to transition - NOT ONE person has been able to articulate what that is - not one person is able to distance themselves sufficiently to realise that THEY are the ones with a regressively sexist idea of what it means to be a boy/girl or man/woman and that that is the issue causing all the problems - their own misunderstanding and severely limited perspective/sexist misunderstanding of what sexist stereotypes/"gender norms" actually entail - they are not rules, they are not real boundaries, they are regressive ideas and generalisations - no one needs to live up to any such utter nonsense or feel comfortable with those stereotypes to be a boy/girl/man/woman - all those terms represent, and all they should represent, is sex and stage of maturity - by creating this whole "gender identity" nonsense, THAT IS WHAT CAUSES ALL THE DISTRESS, THIS FABRICATION OF A FRAMEWORK WHICH DISTORTS REALITY. No one - NO ONE - in the movement has been able to explain or articulate what this supposed "womanly essence" or "manly essence" is that they feel/know/need to transition in order to represent etc. actually is - yet you all actively believe in it and push for it to be accepted. That is ludicrous.

​@@ambientjohnny Why all the spam under every person's comment? Couldn't you just make your points once? This isn't the only channel I've seen you do this on. Also, you clearly didn't watch the video.

@@durnsidh6483 Because I'm interested in changing people's minds. The comments I reply to, those users would never see what I say otherwise. The comment certainly isn't tailored to this video. Seeing as this is under a PhilosophyTube comment, the channel owner doesn't seem to have the slightest problem with PT going around lying about having changed their sex (he's still male despite lying about being female on Novara Media).

@@ambientjohnny Well may I suggest you take a rhetoric course because people here don't see you as worth engaging with, they see you as an asshole. The fact that you're alleging that Abigail "lied about [her] sex change" again indicates you haven't watched the video.

Stay strong brother 💜

Hang in there. I’m so sorry for your circumstances.

​@@kkilljoy3588 damn built-in RU-vid translator translated "hang in there" as "повесить там" and I read it as "повесьтесь там," which translates to "go k_ll yourself by hanging yourself." I was scared, but then I realized that it must be some kind of idiom, as i reread it ". _. This funny incident actually says a lot about how queer people in russia feel Thanks for the support, bro💚💚;^;

​@@cianuro577holy shit that wrong translation is horrific I wish all of you the best ❤

@@cianuro577 ёма-ё переводчик шутканул 💀

as an intersex native person thank you.

THIS. transphobes *constantly* refuse to acknowledge indigenous third gender, between gender, and transgender identities because it completely discredits how they imagine a 'successful' society to be

And shout out to all the genuine autistic (which is a real disability, btw) people this vile RU-vidr (and all others like him) are appropriating for whatever reason on the internet. He's as oppressive and as far-right as anybody... despite being a brack man. It's all some weird kink, right? Disability kink Love it!

​@@ReverendBucktoothJesus666🫂

It’s not even just indigenous people. Many many cultures in Asia, Africa, and even the pre-Christian and pre-Islamic Middle East and Europe. In Southern Italy where I am from, we have a third gender called femminielli. Theyre neither considered men or women and in fact many femminielli are intersex. Femminielli are conceptually descended from Ancient Greco-Roman eunuch priests from Hellenic Turkey, and the concept of the androgynes of Hermaphroditus.

@@albertfralinger2711 you don't think he wasn't bullied for being smaller than the other students in our grade?

@@albertfralinger2711 The point is that not going through puberty alongside his peers caused him mental distress.

@@albertfralinger2711 The scenario is the inability to go through the puberty that is congruous for the child/being forced to go through incongruous puberty. If he was transfem, he likely wouldn't be as emotionally affected by delayed puberty, as it would be less incongruous than masculising puberty. If it was socially acceptable, then peer bullying wouldn't be an issue either.

​@@albertfralinger2711 The thing about puberty disorders is that they're mostly just disorders because society doesn't really like to deal with them. In cases like this, it's less "get treated because your life is objectively terrible" and more "get treated so that truancy officers don't go hauling you off to the nearest middle school while you're in your 20's" and "get treated because you can't stand being so short anymore"

@@albertfralinger2711 counterpoint-anecdote, I identify now in my adult years as nonbinary and am currently on HRT, this is something I had felt strongly about but couldn't articulate to my parents (who I am very lucky to say would have been totally accepting) due to lack of vocabulary and resources in the 2000s since I was like, 8 years old. Incidentally, I developed a rare and deadly form of cancer around 13-14 that has been linked to rapid early bone development. Puberty blockers may have saved me from near-death and an extremely anguishing and depressing time going through my teenage years trying to cope with the trauma that chemotherapy left me with. In hindsight, at least, obviously dealing with neither would be the ideal reality, but I would have taken being bullied over being scrawny if it had saved me the hell that is cancer.

Your grandmother sounds like a lovely person! I bet she helped many kids keep open minds into adulthood.

'Autistic' content on RU-vid is basically just that, yes. Although this creators very own contribution started out condemning, but eventually just became it... it was a very confused video.

left that fandom long time ago, shit got way too toxic

@@jack-a-lopiumit’s just a funny bit pal

@@jack-a-lopium girl what

@@jack-a-lopium Which creators? I haven't come across a single autistic CC on RU-vid who is intentionally advocating for the right of medical institutions to tell who is and isn't autistic. With that said, I avoid anything center and/or right wing content, because centrism is just right wing in denial anyway, but even if such autistic CCs exist, I wouldn't consider them to be a majority, and their advocacy is not aimed at an autistic audience, but the allistics who want to force autistics back into the closet.

Zeus dammed Greeks

Damn greeks indeed

That helps explain the "dual creation" interpretation in some schools of religious thought, primarily in the Khabbalah school where they interpret the repeating of the creation of man as referring to two, possibly three women created in the garden in total, the last one being the one that's known as Eve. The first woman is identified as Lilith, and her crime was being of the same original unitary as Adam (like the Greek concept of the unitary primordial people who were all-sexed/bi-sexed) and thus equal, which wasn't acceptable to Adam.

found a hermeneutics stack exchange question saying otherwise but don't know any Hebrew and thus cannot verify - have a look for yourself though? title is: is the translation rib for the Hebrew in Genesis 2:22 justified?

Imagining God splitting Adam by pulling his legs apart like a wishbone

Or his "from smooth child to hairy manlet", both ridiculously funny. There's a lot of great lines in the video

I've felt for a long time that if we're going to gain any ground and respect, it will be by standing on our agency. as Judith Butler described, and Alexander expressed from his personal experiences in "I Was a Transgender Child", something about our identities is external, and something about them is located within us. sometimes the external pressure pushes us, sometimes the internal intuition pushes us. and both of those can limit our practical range of choices. but *we* make the choices we feel are best. that is our power and our right as living beings.

Same, kind of tired of playing the optics game, im not saying that I'm gonna 💣 fox news or anything, just that it's annoying to have to "sell" the idea of yourself like a product to others so that they'll "buy" into it

While it should be respected if it were a choice, I really don’t think “trauma causes people to be trans and maybe it’s changeable” is the eat y’all think it is. Personally that very much goes against my own experience of my transness and I know plenty of other trans people with the same experience. Not all, sure, but I don’t see why a) it *cant* be innate and separate from trauma. I would still transition if I didn’t have PTSD. and b) now, when we’re facing a major political movement that seeks to eradicate us, is exactly the time to say that we’re the result of mental illness and aren’t born the way we are?

@@CutieBanana09 i dont think trauma causes transition is what any of them are saying though? maybe im misunderstanding what you're meaning here but no one in the comments youre replying to has really mentioned trauma as a direct cause of people being trans. edit: i reached the point in the video where it was brought up, and trauma causing queerness isnt what is being said there either. its more like trauma can affect your concept of gender for everyone, cis and trans alike i think.

@@CutieBanana09 Uhm, where did anyone here aside from you say anything about "trauma [causing] people to be trans"? I don't even see the word trauma, or anything close to it mentioned anywhere here.

I used to work in teen group homes and some of the girls had hormonal birth control implants that they only kind of had a say in getting, and would get a ton of push back if they wanted them removed.

Matt Walsh is open about his intention to come for that next.

Oh, don't worry, the same bigots who are transphobic are also pro-life (more accurately 'forced birth') and are already looking to abolish no-fault-divorce (their preferred vision being no divorce possible at all) and they'll also eventually advocate against birth control, if their shitty demands keep being codified into law. They certainly don't want schools to educate comprehensively about birth control.

⁠​⁠@@Nemo12417well yeah but he’s also been pretty open about how fertile 15 year old girls are and how he is much in favour of getting them pregnant

i mean i’m obviously not against puberty blockers, but i have never seen doctors have “very few questions” about birth control as teenagers?? like it’s definitely not as tightly regulated as puberty blockers, but someone close to me wasn’t given birth control (for pcos) until there was the literal threat of cancer if it continued in the future. yes, of course, they were more open in the sense that cancer wasn’t an immediate or direct possibility, it was only if this person had no periods for many many many years (rather than 4-5 months), but for over two years the doctors tried whatever was possible to not prescribe hormonal medication (primarily the whole “just lose weight” thing-including suggesting to just wait until they were on their recently prescribed adhd medication for a while because they’re often appetite suppressants) because they were worried about the effects of them on an adolescent (primarily fertility, but also other side effects such as, as mentioned, bone issues).

Not to mention those who would've started sooner if they were allowed, because I did come out at 15 and started seeing doctors and a therapist, but my dad (who accepts me now but didn't really 'get it' then on how important it was to me) wouldn't sign off on me starting hormones earlier than 18 because he didn't want to feel responsible because I regretted it. Which as I type this I realize makes me a lot angrier now that I recognized it, even if it didn't really effect my transition effects long term.

Not to be "all children" but at least in America, people seme to really hate children in general. Children are a massive second class citizen population that Americans think is perfectly fine to control their entire lives and dismiss anything they say. Which leads to trans children who just get completely ignored instead of being taken seriously when they express mental trauma with their AGAB.

I think a lot of it comes from a persistent distrust of children and their abilities. It may sound silly to say we need better children rights, but we do. Minors don’t have any control over their living situations, education, or even their bodies and that can and does lead to kids getting hurt or killed. It’s especially clear when people like Matt Walsh liken your experience of knowing your gender to a child playing pretend as a walrus, as if minors have no grasp on reality or themselves.

@@cyclicozone2072 bad faith commenter spotted

@@cyclicozone2072 because you didn’t pay attention to the video

I wish I could this😭 sadly mom doesn't understand English🙃

good luck soldier

Remember that self-love is an act of spite, to anyone who wants you to be ashamed of yourself. Live anew with wisdom old.

Good luck

@@tawbhwamy mom understands English but would refuse to watch this :(

Later in life when you mature emotionally you'll thank her for not playing along with the regressive sexism of the T movement (lots of people are like teenagers emotionally their whole lives, even me I'd say I still was in my 30s).

@@ambientjohnny telling someone whose mother is so abusive she won’t even let them leave the house or work that they’ll ’thank them later’ is some psychopathic sh*t

@@Celestina0 You're ignoring the fact that this person is sabotaging their own life by refusing to accept material reality and deal with their issues in a mature way. Personal happiness cannot be dependent on others affirming delusional beliefs.

Good for your mom. You’re a woman.

@@ambientjohnny Please do, just for one moment, ask yourself: "And what if they had a happier life if they could transition?" Would you be willing to refuse that to people? Why?

So you're just blindly agreeing with your child on his or her assertion that they're not a girl or a boy, or are both, and you think that's good parenting? Please actually look into what your kid is getting into. If they're female, the chances are they'll get a radical bilateral mastectomy and take testosterone to appear more androgynous. She may take risks like going into male locker rooms and be assaulted. If male, he may decide to have nullification surgery (look it up) and you will have no grandchildren from him. Or he may decide to get breasts and keep his junk and do porn. Maybe you should ask your kid what non binary means to them, and see if it's sensible or nonsense, cut their internet use to supervised only and get rid of their device, stop them hanging out with idiots at school who think they're furries and gender fluid and pansexual when they're twelve. Do your job as a parent and protect your child from the horrible future "non binary" offers.

@@sometimesawful The parent is very clearly going out of their way to educate themselves. Cool it with the fearmongering bullshit. As a nonbinary adult myself who has no desire for surgery, has recognized theirself as nonbinary since being a child in the 2000s, born '98 and whom nowadays associates with and has spoken with a lot of other adult enbies, irreversible surgeries are a lot rarer than you're making it out to be. It's much more important that a parent be supportive and educate themselves, participating alongside the child, making sure that they're in actual safe spaces and not just arbitrarily going into opposite-sex spaces where they wouldn't be safe and asking important questions *with* them to ensure that those more key decisions are made while totally informed and aware at a time in the child's life that makes the most sense to them. This isn't to deny that the horrible things you're describing out don't happen, of course, but from my own understanding is largely overblown and based, as I've said in fearmongering. these things seem to majorly happen because a child doesn't feel comfortable opening up about these things with their parents (who are often evangelical christians or otherwise right-wing alt-right-news-slop-gobbling oppressive dickwads who fall for the shit you're spewing right now), so they just never receive the guidance they need to express themselves while also staying safe, and end up stuck stumbling through life because they never had a father or mother they felt like they could actually trust. If you want to actually be helpful why don't you drop the regurgitated right-wing talking points and actually educate yourself too while you're at it.

based mom

@@TerryVideoZone what made you think you are non binary

You’re absolutely correct that you don’t need to understand to support. I’m certain with time and more experience with the concepts you will come to understand your child better but you are doing the most important part, letting them be themself and supporting them along the way. Your child is lucky to have you, though I wish a parent like you wasn’t luck but the standard

On that note, Plato (at least in his youth) thought that gay men were meant to be rulers because they are more masculine in nature

@@kc8391what is manlier than loving a man?

The has been a big return of catamites too!

@@kc8391 are they not? nothings more masculine than TWO MEN. ITS DOUBLE THE MAN

tag this for SPOILERS PLEASE WHOA

Sneeders unite!

It's Chuck's Seeduck and Feeduck

bruh same D: we're too innocent

@@Lollero200q perhaps Chuck sold duck feed

@@ZombieInvader yes

i don't get the joke, care to explain it for me?

@@sashyf We tend to have social anxiety

@@ryn2844 oh, is that like something trans people just have naturally or??

@@sashyf No, social anxiety is generally the result of a lifetime of rejection, sadly.

@@ryn2844 oh, yea that makes sense, sad!

We’re all just people in the end, and we’re more similar than we are different from each other after all

Behind the rage there is other feelings, such as sadness, fear, righteousness. And behind the feelings there is needs and values. As a child you don't know how to handle feelings, it's an adults responsibility to be there, regulate and help the child how to navigate feelings. If you were not allowed to be angry, you probably had emotional immature parents/adults.

The expectation that I'd like cars and sports and other boy things was frustrating. I picked a "favourite" sports team and player just so I'd have some names to throw at people rather than have the discussion about finding sports boring. Which has led to a mild but long-lasting resentment toward every sport. Trauma may be too strong a word for that but it's in the same direction.

*ORGAN MUSIC INTENSIFIES*

agreed, since i realized i rejected a physical form.

I craved the strength and certainty of steel

-that one turtle who got a little skateboard to zoom around on.

Nanomachines son

You can decide how much to do and/or not do to feel more comfortable in your own skin. There is no required set of check boxes that should need to be checked to be considered who you are. You are valid as you are.

Honestly, same

Me too. Kinda OK with my body in the default state it is and mostly just focusing on what's in my mind palace tbh.

^^^ all of this!!!

Literally this! If we lived in a world where the body you were born in didnt = gender and roles and stereotypes I wouldnt feel the need to transition in certain aspects... I know Ill be happier when I do but ideally I know I would have been okay with my body had the world not already decided what that meant for me before I ever had the say.

Beautiful anecdote, thank you for sharing! Im still figuring out my identity (I guess we always are on some level) but I've grown up being percieved as a Cis man. Its so strangling to interact with societal standards you absolutely loathe. I feel a lot of people in general feel pressured to be in a relationship, it always makes me feel a little uncomfortable seeing people (even myself at times) longing for connection but forcing themselves to contextualise it as a relationship, especially a hetero one. I think this all adds up to why theres so many problems with perception of dating and relationships, because people dont have the tools to navigate their own social lives. Add in us as a society starting to unpack years of toxic expectations and social norms and it leads to a lot of paranoia and confusion, and a lot of just hurt all around for everyone. Then on top of that you have social media and bad actors who genuinely do want to push others down and hurt them and its all just so overwhelming.

There’s a quote from Gender Outlaw that’s something like “who is transsexual? Whoever admits it”. (Because nobody fits into the gender boxes, everyone is dissatisfied with the gender system; some people just have higher levels of and/or lower tolerance for that dissatisfaction than others.)

No you are a person suffering from a dangerous delusion

Very malthusian

I consider him to be a gender/sexuality lecturer. So, absolutely.

powodzenia na maturce

@@arej5390 dziena, przyda się 😭

Lmaooo sameee, saw the notification in the morning and now that it's my break I'm watching it

guys the essay i had to write was a speech about social exclusion, watching all of these video essays finaly payed off 😭❤️

well, I thought it was just "Chuck's"

I thought it was just Chuck's as well, but now that I've heard the full joke explained, it's makes way more sense!

Same I literally did not get the joke at all until he explained it

A funny thing about this joke is that it spawned a weird 4chan thing called "sneedposting" where they explain the joke in a deranged manner. I think it's because the joke goes by so fast and is so complicated that it ironically falls totally flat on what should've been a very simple joke

SAME! i felt so disappointed i went all this time not getting the joke, especially since its a really funny joke, my brain just couldnt comprehend it without someone saying it

Isn't there an entire subset of asexual people that started to identify with the term due to a traumatic experience involving sex?

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@@airplanes_aren.t_realdefinitely, not me personally but that’s a pretty major contributing factor.

@@airplanes_aren.t_real I hate that this has become a stereotype. I'm ace. I have sexual trauma. My trauma has never impacted my inability to feel sexual attraction in any way.

@@wintergray1221 I think it's because it's the easiest way people can rationalize this sexuality (not say they should do that just that they do) It's much easier to think Trauma can make a person not like something->people can have trauma from Sexual assault-> asexuality That's the same root problem of the whole "born this way" thing, it aims to rationalize instead of acknowledge or inform

When you ban something except for exceptions the exceptions become the norm

Love how he then says the same about Romans lmaooo

​@UTTP-142Alex doesn't make millions to begin with lmfao

The greeks took it the wrong way and needed to know how it worked, what is a group of CLOSE MALE FRIENDS to do?

i'm so intrigued by the idea of sex as a mutation that evolved simply bc it was enough of a survival aid to merit passing on. makes me consider the vast sexual variations of animals and how those are often very specifically adapted to their ecological niches. why shouldn't the same apply to humans? thanks for the food for thought!

I'm amab agender and your comment put into words a lot of my own thoughts. I feel so seen right now Much love to you 💜

​@@alexba1leysex quite litterally is just a genetic mutation. All genetic traits we have come from genetic mutations. Green eyes, brown eyes, having eyebrows, standing on two legs. The very first creatures reproduced asexually and therefore, didnt have sexes. Even some species that do have sexes, dont have sexual dimorphism so you cant even visually tell the sexes apart. Humans just had mutations that resulted in 2 distinct sexes (and of course intersex).

Yeah fucking hell

@@albertfralinger2711 it's one of many pieces of evidence that trans voices were not included in the report. it suggests the report's authors view us as... less real than themselves. and easily replaced.

@@albertfralinger2711 is this a hot new "keanu reeves does not exist" conspiracy theory i smell

​@@albertfralinger2711 Not the exact same issue but it would absolutely still be _an_ issue to criticize.

@@albertfralinger2711If they had evidence of what they were claiming, they wouldn’t need to use AI images. But they didn’t.

Breaking news, trans girls are just like you

Your friend is an experiment.

Poor kid. No one around to actually show real compassion but happy to push him to castrate himself. Bravo! You are a true progressive and a true friend.

And that really shows how prepared they are to make medical choices with long term life changing consequences. 👍

She's lucky. In America where I live we can't even get on puberty blockers until we're 18

​@@cyclicozone2072 indeed

@@cyclicozone2072, said the obsessive anti-trans ideologue.

@@cyclicozone2072 oh the irony when you adhere to objectively the most unhinged, conspiratorial, delusional ideology currently infecting the western world. Anti-trans ideologues give flat earthers and Scientologists a run of their money (and overlap with them quite a bit).

“Damn these newfangled hormones! Back in Neverland we never aged, like god intended!”

Yeah, I often find myself thinking into tangled spirals when I try to really think through that model. It just doesn’t quite fit the puzzle it’s trying to solve. The lines of everything are too blurry to have that distinction and you can’t truly know who you are outside of the culture that influenced you. I really liked Alex’s discussion of experience and trauma influencing gender. I identify as nonbinary but sometimes I’ve felt like a fraud because I don’t fit into any of the popular narratives of what that means, and I think my feelings about gender are strongly linked to my asexuality. And I thought if my gender is caused by my sexuality, it must be fake because I don’t feel like I have a nonbinary brain, I feel like an asexual who is distanced from my assigned gender because of it

@@Shoulderpads-mcgee I am also on the asexual side of things and I think I would actually identify with being agender which because it isn't apart of a binary I would also consider non-binary or if you were to say I had to have a gender I would say that I am my own gender, I literally have never cared at all what my gender is or even what my sex is because there were more interesting things to talk about. From my view everything we talk about is a social construct because we socially construct these barriers between things that don't actually exist, although certain barriers are more useful constructions to talk about how and why things work. I even recognize that had I gone through even a slightly different life up until this point I could likely be a hugely different person. I use the pronouns of he/him because that is what I am used to and don't see a reason to change it. I do find it interesting to relate to other people on issues like this though because not only do I find it satisfying to some degree but because it might help someone else figure something out.

for me, when i first heard about transness around age 12-13, the brain vs body thing made sense, and was even something that kind of resonated with me, but as soon as i learned that "male" and "female" brains don't exist, maybe a year or two later, it became that much more complex and interesting. i LOVE that it isn't as simple as a mismatch between the mind and the body. it made my journey exploring my gender and sex that much clearer. i wasn't cis, and i wasn't a tomboy. in my mind i am very feminine in how i feel, but never a girl, and never a woman. and finally recognizing gender dysphoria in myself was the moment i allowed myself gender affirming care. it's all so complex, and that's what makes it interesting, worthy of exploring, human. why is every difference pathologized and demonized instead of explored and supported? well, bc humans naturally fear the unknown, but as soon as you explore it, it's no longer unknown, so why recoil and try to destroy it instead of exploring it in a safe environment with open arms?

It is about a brain body mismatch. The mismatch is what causes dysphoria. And if you don't have dysphoria, you aren't trans ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8QScpDGqwsQ.html

The 'gendered brain' thing to me feels like an extension of transmedicalism. If I, a trans woman, went to a doctor and got my brain scanned, and it turned out I had a 'male brain', would that immediately invalidate my transness? Transmeds are already constantly putting down trans people who don't fit their very specific definition of transness, and ideas like having the 'wrong brain' or being born in the 'wrong body', while they may apply to many trans folks, should not be used to define transness as a whole.

Oh no, but research shows that, generally speaking, people don't like torture!

It’s hard to exist outside of the boxes when people are already mad enough over the ones just trying to swap one cage for another

it seems like the only way out is through, thanks for bending that cage, may we build a world that does not hurt, you or otherwise

@@Shoulderpads-mcgee people are just so mad in general. you have to 'fit' or you're a target.

Biological sex has no time for your flouncing.

sexuality is a prison (luckily i was never in it to start), though im not too sure if the bars of gender surround me or are in front of me.

Succumbing to outside pressure is an issue with strength of character. Funny that you don't realise just how rigid and regressively sexist the ideas of "gender identity" within the T movement are, wholly reliant on validating and perpetuating sexist stereotypes themselves.

@@ambientjohnny Johnny, if you cannot perceive the cruelty of your words here, I think you might do well to take a serious look at yourself. You are correct about one thing though. To resist pressure from parents, media, government and society requires incredible inner strength. It takes time and patience to discover what kind of person you wish to be and how to actively bring your unique and authentic self to bear upon the world. Men can passively adopt the role they have been given, or they can decide for themselves what kind of man they wish to be. The same goes for women and enbies. @dragonfang481 You have that kind of incredible inner strength. Given time, you will figure out what kind of woman you want to be. Perhaps you will find yourself fitting comfortably within some of the more commonly held categories, or perhaps you'll find it feels correct to present more unconventionally. Perhaps your ideas and feelings and expression will change over time, subtly or drastically. Among many other things, modern intersectional feminism is about allowing every woman the freedom and safety to be the kind of woman she wants to be. In a just world, you will have that freedom and safety. Good luck.

@joanmoriarity8738 thank you so much for your kind words, they mean the world, for many years I've been living under my parents being what they wanted, giving in because I thought I had to, and even if still my parents won't support me doing this, I know I don't need their support and that I need to focus on myself, my mental health and what makes me happy. It's so nice to know I'll be accepted out there, with support of friends who truly care about me and want me to be me, I can be strong and find out what I want to be, man, woman, hell even intersex, I have a lot of self discovery to do before I really figure myself out and for now she/her is working for me. And again thank you

uwu and owo

@@wintergray1221price and money

You being in the medical field is an absolute disgrace.

Maybe you should trust the experts!

Eh

Even to the extent that "autigender" is a thing. My concept of gender is inextricable from my autism; social norms of gender are so tied up in neurotypical relationships to society that I don't think I could have been cisgender no matter what gender I was assigned.

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"Everyone seems to know what 'maleness' and 'femaleness' are" only until you expand the definition of "everyone" to include all humans past and present from all societies. "Everyone knows" is often, especially as used by conservative commentators, a reskin of "God's command". Everyone *doesn't* have the same ideas of how a man should look, and those ideas continuously evolve. Ideas of femininity are a byproduct of male competition: female beauty is valuable only insofar as it confers status on the man with sexual access to it. So no, everyone *doesn't* know what maleness and femaleness are because those are continuously constructed cultural categories. "Everyone" only knows these things if by "everyone" you only mean white middle class Westerners. It's an inherently colonialist reduction which forces one culture's ideas of femininity and masculinity onto everyone else. Bumble, an American made dating app, uses the fact that the women initiate flirting as a selling point, but that's just how flirting is expected to work in Chinese dramas (and therefore presumably in Chinese culture). "Everyone" in America would agree that an essential characteristic of men is romantic boldness, but gotta be the person who points out that the average human is not American. Millions upon millions of people, don't think that's an essential characteristic of men so one can't say that "everyone" knows what a man is. We can also read things written by people from the past, which contain very different notions of what constitutes masculinity and femininity. So, these are not fact-based categories but rather evolving cultural constructs. Neurotypical people seem to be able to disregard what they can observe with their own senses, if pressured by social and financial incentives. People don't hate because it's fun, they do it because their status within society is threatened. However, as someone on the autism spectrum I lack the capability to be willfully ignorant. I can be misinformed, and I might believe misinformation strongly enough to be skeptical of a counterclaim. I might even be afraid of what a certain fact means about my social position. But, I can't simply ignore a fact regardless of how inconvenient it might be. It was always obvious to me that masculinity and femininity were cultural constructs, purely from the fact that I knew gendered expectations were different in different places and different eras. I knew that long before I knew words like "transgender" or "nonbinary".

I'm genderfluid and suck at socializing with everyone. Seems legit.

Mood, I'm an autistic woman, but I still value my masculinity and want to be strong while also still being a woman who isn't butch. It's all so confusing.

that is way better and less awkward tbh

Where do I sign

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You’re clearly wasted in any career that’s not marketing or pr 😂

Great Sexpectations by Charles Dickskin

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Hey there! I am here to tell you that you don’t need to be nervous. I’m on Spravado and have had an injection treatment before too. You will be 100% fine and odds are your depression will get better. I’ll see you on the other side!

Ketamine treatments have changed my life for the better. I'm hoping they will for you too!

I'm envious. I think this treatment has been proven to be very effective. Good choice. I believe you feel immediately better after. Good luck to you. Don't worry.

@@rosshowarth3266 I also thought you feel immediately better afterward. In retrospect I realized that's very foolish. You don't just magically make decades of trauma disappear. You have to feel it.

streets ahead

me too. I laughed tears.

You are the ones screaming at us that sex and gender are different while at the same time conflate gender and sex all the time. Not us. We don't believe in what you currently call "gender identity" or "gender" nowaday and we know sex is immutable, we never doubted that. We used the pronouns you wanted and acted like you are the sex you pretended to be out of kindness, we didn't actually believe you are that sex and we didn't believe you are some "gender" because we don't believe in this incoherent definition of gender, whatever it is. We were just being kind because we thought you have some psychological condition that makes you feel like the other sex, and we thought you are suffering because of it. No one believes "trans women" are women, no one. We just pretended for your sake. Then you decided to cross all lines, violate our rights and poison science and law with this demented belief of yours, with many young people falling victim to this crazy notion of "gender identity", mutilating thier body, putting themselves on a constant state of hormonal imbalance, agonizing over the fact that their body don't fit whatever "gender" they think they are, and we are done. We are done. People who felt connected more to the other sex have always existed, what is called "gender nonconforming people" have always existed, at least since civilization, I presume. But "trans" is a very modern invention and "trans" as it is defined now just came about 20 years ago, pushed on by millionaires, perverts and trans activists. Science doesn't actually prove any of that and it's not something that developed organically. It's just a frame of thinking pushed by people with an agenda. And you are most likely a victim of it.

Male and female marijuana plants exist. So what do a male marijuana plant, a male insect, and a male stockbroker have in common? Gamete size. Transition cannot change that.

@@XxYwise it's difficult to focus on what you're trying to say when you've listed 3 sources with 3 different gamete sizes. And also irrelevant to even consider gametes here. Noone judges anyone else by their individual gamete size. Speaking of which, for many trans people, gamete size is infinitely small. a big, huge, zero. It does not matter what gamete size is produced because we aren't. Oh, and it's not good optics that you're reducing the worth of people down to something that small, and effectively classing a whole group of *people* by a biological function. A woman is worth so, so much more than her capacity to incubate an egg.

@@cyclicozone2072how many comments am i gonna find u under doing this same little basic transphobic statement. ur actually so funny, it brightens my day to know ppl like u hav seriously nothing fucking better to do, like wow, it’s pathetic in such a funny way. i’m sorry u don’t like the boy in the video but i don’t think calling him a girl 500 times is gonna hurt his feelings or change anyone’s minds silly

@@cyclicozone2072What you are doing is considered spam so I will report you for it. Over a 100 comments… Get a life, instead of getting yourself angry on RU-vid.

@cyclicozone2072 I used to be insecure about transitioning late in life, but if someone this manly can be called a lady, i guess I have nothing to worry about, I'll go out and be the best woman I can. Thanks for the self esteem boost!

God I wish my gender was dragon that sounds badass! Just make sure to avoid Ice and fairy types.

Except dragon isn't a real gender

@@sarahhughes4437 uhhuh, so what is a real gender, in your view?

@dribanlycan not a fictional animal, that's for sure. Lots of autistic people are transtrenders though

Oh dear, that's familiar. >>; I didn't have the Dragonology book, though, just a poster of D&D dragons that I had to have on the back of my door because my mom hated it. :c

Not really when you presuppose discomfort with the sexed aspects of one’s body means he/she would therefore be better off as the opposite sex… and you start drugging and operating on them to make it so…

Cis people get to change their names all the time, you should be allowed to use the name that is right for you. Definitely not crazy.

Are you at high risk of breast cancer? Or is because you've been groomed into thinking it's a wonderful idea?

similar thought, i have more or less abandoned any gender analysis or thinking i will ever really "figure it out". i think the best thing to do is to live the experience completely and follow your desires with acceptance. that is what makes me the happiest i think, or where truth can be embodied

@@cheesesandwich1560I get where this is coming from, but in OP's defense: some people's brains don't give them that luxury. None of us are fully in control of what we think about when, and for some people this is a more regular occurence than others. Additionally, wanting to have a solid understanding of where their desire is coming from before undertaking a very expensive surgery is hardly a bad thing. @OP, you might want to look into the Marxist concept of "essence" which is a bit different from the colloquial use of that word. I think that might address your fear, which is pretty clearly a fear that if something is "constructed" then it's not "real". Your desire is clearly essential, but that doesn't need to imply that it is genetic or otherwise predetermined from the moment you were born. For example, I have an irrational and overwhelming phobia of becoming pregnant which is at the core of my identity. However, I am fairly certain it would be ridiculous to argue that I was born with that ingrained instinct. Just like any other person, I'm an animal and it is the nature of animals to seek reproduction. I think it's much more likely that my phobia comes from seeing my mother get pregnant with my brother when I was very young. I simply believe that I knew as soon as I saw that, I knew I wasn't interested. It triggered my innate sensory issues and I just went "no, not for me thanks". At the time of course, I was not aware that my body could become pregnant or that it was something other people wanted. This became a phobia, because I was swiftly thereafter informed in no uncertain terms that my consent was not required or even considered important (this however, occurred after I was capable of conscious thought: fairy tales and media set out a clear and narrow expectation of what my life ought to look like). People made it very clear that this could be forced on me, so my aversion became intense. Because I identified with certain aspects of womanhood, but not others, I therefore chose to inhabit the culturally proscribed roles of "tomboy" and later "butch" before learning about nonbinary identities in my 20s (I struggled a LOT with "butch" because my sensory issues limited my haircut options, and I desired to wear skirts as well as certain feminine garments but hated the way people viewed me as unserious when I presented that way). Had I lived in a different place but all else was equal, the categories I chose to identify with would be different but my alienation from womanhood would have been the same. Had my mother not chosen to get pregnant when I was less than two, my gender identity might not be the same as it is. Since I was less than two when this aversion developed though, I would hardly argue it was a choice: as that word implies a level of conscious understanding I provably did not possess at the time. That aversion is now essential to my identity but is neither genetically programmed nor a choice. You lived and experienced the world for nearly a full two years which you now have no memory of and during which core aspects of your identity were formed. "We're born this way" is, and always was, an oversimplified slogan developed for political purposes. It was not meant to reflect the nuances of our real identities, because in fact no one can prove they were born with any identity. The colloquial use of the word "essential" doesn't really acknowledge this point but the Marxist definition of that word does. TL;DR, your desire for a vaginoplasty is not any less essential to your identity just because it was probably not something you were literally born with. It probably has to do with something that happened when you were a tiny baby, maybe something utterly unremarkable, which interacted with your innate dispositions in a particular way to spark this desire. It's now a part of who you are, which probably can't be extricated without profoundly damaging you psychologically. So, yeah, you should definitely get that surgery. And you should go read Marx to shut up that inner critic (just do beware, he Had Some Biases™️ and wrote some very cringey hot takes).

I hope I word this right, but I think both things can be true, even if they appear to conflict. I think it is entirely valid for you to satisfy your desire for a vagina for your own bodily congruence while not holding others to that same standard to see them as women. You are allowed to seek your own happiness without worrying that you have to set an example or anything in this regard. You don't have to sacrifice your happiness to support those who choose to not undergo surgery. ❤️

"I want" is enough. This is the only idea that allowed me to transition and feel whole -- I stopped giving a fuck about internal essence or legitimacy, because I never felt like a man, exactly. I just deeply longed to be one, and I decided that was enough.

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lmao same

Not only that, but anyone who studies phylogenesis knows that there is no exact moment/boundary when one species evolves into another.

Reminds me of the famous "I cannot teach you about mushrooms" tumblr post.

I love this line of argumentation because while we've become so used to desperately trying to stick everything into some sort of category or box (in order to understand and/or to feel superior) it just doesn't work like that. I know people generally like certainty but really, nothing is certain or final and I wish that thought would just permeate culture more. Things can be, but they don't have to. We may know but we may not. All that is left is our attempt to be kind to each other and get along.

Looking into cladistics is really interesting and definitely in line with all this. You grow up thinking you can easily sort animals into mammals, amphibians, reptiles, birds, and fish, but looking deeper into the relationships between organisms makes it clear that that’s reductive. Birds turn out to be a type of reptile, and fish becomes a useless category full of animals that are nothing alike. It really mirrors all the people going on about “basic biology,” but that’s just it, they only know basic biology because they never dig into it. They understand sex and gender at the basic level of chromosomes the same way a child understands animals by those simple and reductive categories. But nothing is ever that simple. Trans people exist, intersex people exist, and the platypus is a mammal who lays eggs. Whenever you write a rule, there will be an exception that defies it.

Gender criticals have good intentions: protecting kids from being harmed for profit on the basis of piss-poor evidence.

Wait, Iceman was gay? Hm, never knew.

Send them the link, and ask them to watch. Then, absolve yourself of the responsibility of educating them. I know it can feel like "if not me, then who?" It can be exhausting and traumatic to argue for your right to exist. And it's okay to not engage. You are not the sole pillar on which their salvation rests.

​@@nezahuatez I would like to direct you to the section on capitalism less than halfway through the video. Abstracting the language doesn't mean not understanding the underlying complexity

@@nezahuatez No, capitalism is a system and it does not discount similar issues under feudalism to discuss how they function under capitalism.

​@@nezahuatez I don't think anybody's claiming that those issues are exclusive to capitalism

I kinda disagree because with the end because IMO there's always a way to make up a new category to put people into, and I think that's part of human nature (related to how our brains are only designed to really "know" about 50 people in our lifetimes.) The way out is to foster a more communal spirit, where people have commonality as fellow humans despite any difference, which fortunately is also a natural human (even animal, in ideal circumstances) trait.

⁠@@nezahuatezthat’s like saying books are just words. When something is so ingrained into society it shapes every aspect of it, the system becomes the universe. If nothing is allowed to exist outside of capitalism in this country then it’s not just a system but a culture. Every one of us is a part of the culture. Even trying to rebel is done in the same way as conforming. Capitalism is an ideal made real. You have millions of people believing in and allowing something to shape their reality. Capitalism is a god. Gods die when no one believes

This is bad. Real bad.

This really fascinates me considering how terf ideology is extremely medicalized and biological, with radical feminists putting so much stock into female anatomy (the creepy vagina cult is a nickname that amuses me) and biological difference. The intense hatred of trans people feels like feminism has been set back so that instead of insisting men and women aren’t particularly biologically different, the narrative has become women are frail and weak and need to have protecting against the hulking and predatory male human. I hate it and it’s bioessentialism immensely.

Love this synopsis! Also always worth mentioning that there has been quite a schism in the historical radfems over precisely trans rights. Cornerstone radfems have vocally fallen out over it. We hear most about the terfs of course, but some really major names oppose(d) them. Catharine MacKinnon comes to mind, as does Andrea Dworkin (if MacKinnon and Dworkin's widower, activist John Stoltenberg, are reliable sources, which I think they are).

@@edn2674 terf litterally stands for "trans exclusionary radical feminist", it is impossible to be a terf without being transphobic, idk enough about radfems that aren't terfs to say but based on the other reply to this comment its possible to be a radfem without being teansphobic, but yeah if you dont consider trans women women or want to exclude them from "female" spaces then thats transphobia. I get the want to have a women-only space, i read a whole paper talking about the history of that desire and the formation of radfems as a group, but defining it as "female-only" isn't doing that and is, in fact, really reductive of about 50 years worth of feminist history working to seperate the definition of "woman" from the definition of "female". To qoute a famous feminist whose name i cant remember rn just google the qoute, "you are not born a woman, you become a woman", this is true for every single woman on earth, cis or trans, being a woman isn't a physical reality it's a social reality. To illustrate this better for you, imagine having trans men in your "female-only" spaces. Google trans men and look at them and think about that. They're biologically female, so they should be welcome in "female-only" spaces, right? But i got a feel that having men with beards and the like in that space isn't what you're going for

@@edn2674 okay so, i feel a little like communication might be breaking down? might be my fault, i'm bad with tone, but ima continue to try to keep a friendly debate tone and assume good faith on your end and hope you can assume good faith on mine so like, let me start by telling a story. I have a younger brother, he's younger than me by about two years, and when we were little he had a habit of running around the house without a shirt on. Because I was also little, one morning I attempted to do the same, but my dad immediately caught me and told me that I couldn't be doing that, and when i asked why i couldn't when my brother could, he didn't really have a good answer for me. this was way pre-puberty, so there really wasn't a physical difference between my chest and my brother's, the only difference between us was that i was a girl and my brother was a boy. because i was a girl, and only because i was a girl, my chest was deemed inappropiate, when though it was physically the same as my brother's, because again, this was way pre-puberty for both of us. this is what i mean when i say there's 50 years of feminist separating sex from gender. Yes, there are physical realtities of the body, but those physical realities don't come with social realities. We, as societies and cultures, apply social realities to those physical realities. When i bring up that "you are not born a woman, you become a woman," qoute, i am explicitly talking about that experience that you describe of growing up in systems that aren't made for you and experiencing hardships and abuse because of it. There is nothing about these systems that are inherent to having a vagina, people made these systems by projecting them onto having a vagina or not. To put this in the historical perspective, i think it's fairly well-known that a lot of historical works view women as lesser, not just worth less but less capable of tasks than men were, less intelligent, weaker, etc. Feminists spent years challenging this, they spent years arguing that just because you're born with a vagina doesn't mean that you're less intelligent or less physically capable than someone born with a penis, these were all just social expectations being projected onto the physical body. as a kid, i was not aware that my chest was considered sexual. I did not become aware that my chest, as a girl, was considered sexual and inappropriate until that day when my dad stopped me from running around without a shirt. The body does not come with labels, we apply those to it later. This is what "becoming a woman" means, its the process that society that applies to people born with the female sex that shapes them socially into women. As for trans folk, I don't think we should ignore physical realities either! in fact, the discussion is made much richer by taking those realities and lived social experiences into account. For instance, there's plenty of trans women who talk about the experience of losing male privilege as they start to be able to pass, and the emotional and social experience of that, of having tasks that you previously had been accepted as competent at being questioned, even though nothing about you changed except for your gender presentation. I remember reading a post from a trans man who talked about how they were very emotional and empathic since childhood, and when they were seen as a girl that was encouraged, that was seen as a positive, but the second they came out as a man, the expectations shifted, and suddenly being emotional was a bad thing and they were being expected to be less emotional, less empathic. These are the same people, with the same bodies even, but changing their gender presentation changed how people think about and treat them. If these things were truly inherent to the physical body, then why did they change? It sorta reveals how inherently fluid gender and gender roles are when changing your presentation suddenly changes the entire way the world interacts with and sees you. (also, side note, cis women do experience gender dysphoria. Off the top of my head, lesbians or promiscuous women tend to struggle with feelings of being "too masculine" due to their sexuality and the social expectations thereof, women who have undergone mastectomy tend to struggle with what they feel as a loss of femininity, there's an entire field of commerce called make-up and cosmetic surgery that exists, in part, because of women feeling like their body doesn't match who they are inside and trying to fix that, gender dysphoria isn't just a trans thing) (men also experience gender dysphoria too, thought it important to note, just think of any of the ways men feel it necessary to reaffirm their masculinity) I will give you points for the trans men thing, at least you're consistent with that, and i appreciate you taking the time to say we shouldn't exclude masculine women. That said, your inclusion of them in your "female-only" spaces speaks to my real issue with the term. by defining a space as "female-only", then excluding transwomen but including transmen, it somewhat reveals that you don't think of them as "real" women or "real" men. It reveals, inherently, that you think of transwomen as "men acting as women" instead of as women in their own right, and you think of transmen as "women acting as men" instead of men in their own right. I am aware that the use of "female" in "female-only spaces" is being used as a substitute term for women, and you confirm it yourself by immediately comparing transmen to gender-nonconforming women instead of acknowledging them as men. Your goal is not to create a "female-only" space, your goal is to create a "women-only space", but you are defining a woman by their biological sex, which means the inclusion of transmen and exclusion of transwomen inherently means that you do not respect their gender identities, you do not think of them as real men and women. I'll end by saying, again, I understand the want for a space for women only. There is something to be said about solidarity and community, and I can get the appeal, but defining a space as "female-only" does not do that. Feminists have, for years, worked to show that the biological sex has almost none of the effects that we subscribe to it, and that those effects are instead social realities we've projected onto biological sex. Continuing to define women by whether or not they were born with a vagina is reductive and honestly? a little insulting to women, I know I am more than my physical sex, I am an agent in deciding my own gender presentation and how i interact with societies expectations for me, and reducing that down to my physical body is deeply insulting. I don't want my definition of womanhood to hinge on what's in my pants. We can acknowledge physical sex and the effects of growing up while seen as a certain gender while still respecting trans identities, and i think the conversation is better if we do. (also, where do intersex people fall in your spectrum? many of them get raised as women but they aren't "natal women", this video we're debating in the comments of does a good job discussing that aspect of this, even if we define by physical sex it turns out that physical sex isn't just "male and female" either)

​@@littlegirlgogo Your comment was very insightful and it informed me a lot, so I'd like to reply to it with the same complexity/dedication. Right now I can't do that but I just wanted to thank you for the explanation

Gender as choice, and an acceptable choice at that, feels so radical and freeing. Definite that part of your identity by your misery and discomfort is so restrictive and sad. It sounds so free to say “I think I’m no longer a guy, onto the next thing!”

Gender metamorphosis

@@Shoulderpads-mcgee You can talk about one type of trans person without throwing other trans people under the bus.

@@CharlotteSWeb-oh7ou wdym? Like that it’s ok to have diverse experiences and views on the subject?

And ultimately I think having some hard scientific evidence for being trans would be a disaster. Because if you can isolate a biological factor that causes something, you can then attempt to prevent of destroy it, like those people trying to “cure” autism. If bigots can find a way to eugenics you out of society, they’ll use it

"Too many have fought for their own inclusion, their own normalization only to turn around and ridicule and undermine similar struggles, for us to keep using the same systems and frameworks without question." dont get me started on a certain type of bougie, white, conformity-obsessed tfem.... i deal w/enough of them when i play tf2

You can't make legislations based on something that can't be defined. You have to define something if you want legislations based on it. Every first year law student can tell you that much. You also need a non-circular definition for science, something that can be proved and disproved, otherwise it's not science, it's spiritualism at best.

@@saoirse2963 You people all talk in a particular way when you have not bothered to do the slightest bit of research. You think knowledge is a tone of voice that you can adopt.