HOW DANGEROUS ARE DISCARDING SABOTS? | Sabot Petal vs BTR-80A | Armour Penetration Simulation

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The simulation presents the impact of an Aluminium Alloy sabot petal on the side armour of a BTR-80A at extremely close range.
Discarding sabots are a component of sub-calibre projectiles which fall away upon leaving the barrel. These sabot petals spread out rapidly, with the simulation representing their position at about 10m from the barrel.
The sabot is modelled after 105mm M111 Hetz, with them being simulated as AA7150 (high strength aluminium alloy). It couldn't be determined if 7150 is the exact grade used for the M111 sabot, but it is used for some other 105mm sabots. The BTR-80A thickness and angles were taken from Warthunder as sources vary on the matter. The High Hardness Armour (HHA) had been modelled with a 500BHN hardness.
Amazing thumbnail artwork from: Serhii_Ryzhkov free3d.com/3d-model/btr-80a-5...

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@SYsimulations 5 месяцев назад

Here's a good example of the IRL dispersion of sabot petals from The Tank Museum: ru-vid.comypXUltsSDA8

@jukeseyable 5 месяцев назад

could you do a sim of the bofors L70 firing APFSDS against the side armour of t90 pls, thus recreating the dual bradley engagement with the T90 M outside of stepove reciently i think the engagment range was around sub 200M, but with CV90 in stead of bradley pls

@Bundesrepublik_Deutschland1949 5 месяцев назад

What Does HHA Even Mean I Only Know RHA And CHA

@TheNightrider88 5 месяцев назад

@@Bundesrepublik_Deutschland1949 High Hardness Armor.

@jukeseyable 5 месяцев назад

high hardness, so above 500 BHN pushing onto 550, it has the effecct of shattering a projectile when struck, but is itself somewhat brittle@@Bundesrepublik_Deutschland1949

@solisprophet1989 5 месяцев назад

Just a heads up, a lot of people are stealing your videos and reposting them on Tiktok without proper credit to you, i would recommend baking in a watermark to the video.

@rugvedpardhiye4298 5 месяцев назад

That splash is definitely ruining someone's day

@justhere4637 5 месяцев назад

Splash so big you Could see it if it wasn't going so fast.

@salazar778 5 месяцев назад

you mean end?

@kiri3639 5 месяцев назад

@@salazar778well its still ruining

@joedingo7022 5 месяцев назад

Fortunately BTR-80s usually have a large amount of organic spall liner, so most of the crew should be fine :)

@CLK944 5 месяцев назад

i guess it'd be a major inconvenience

@dominuslogik484 5 месяцев назад

Now I want to see the same thing against a thicker armor plate, maybe 15-25mm

@NotTheCIA1961 5 месяцев назад

Or at a longer range, say 50 or 100 m.

@stephenallen4635 5 месяцев назад

@@NotTheCIA1961by 100m they've likely hit the ground already

@shaggings 5 месяцев назад

Would likely not got go through but leave a dent

@Doppler-hh5nt 5 месяцев назад

Note that this is only true at very close range, the petals high surface area and low weight mean they would rapidly decelerate at any substantial distance.

@nigelsmith7366 5 месяцев назад

try standing 30mtrs away and let one hit you to see what it's like🤣🤣

@92HazelMocha 5 месяцев назад

@@nigelsmith736630m *is* very close range lmao. Vehicles engage each other at 100's of meters, sometimes over kilometers.

@nigelsmith7366 5 месяцев назад

@@92HazelMocha well go ahead and try it at 100mtrs.... Its still going to knock you out in the least

@nigelsmith7366 5 месяцев назад

@@92HazelMocha and we are talking about vehicles and troops being hit by the sabot petals being fired from their own tanks at targets down range... Its not about the petals causeing damage to enemies

@ThatZenoGuy 5 месяцев назад

@@nigelsmith7366 You can kill a person by throwing a stone at them, that still doesn't mean it'll go through armor plate with ease.

@connivingkhajiit 5 месяцев назад

War Thunder currently models them as being able to penetrate even the side armor of Shermans, which are 40mm, which is a bit ridiculous.

@a.anonymous1318 5 месяцев назад

I mean, not really They are traveling 1200m/s which is significantly faster than anything used in WW2, I think it could pen 40mm point blank, but not much more or any further

@neurofiedyamato8763 5 месяцев назад

The problem in WT is they keep their velocity well into 500m or some BS

@dominuslogik484 5 месяцев назад

@@a.anonymous1318yeah the main issue is that even out to 100-250 meters those petals were punching through 38mm or 1.5 inches of armor (the side of the Sherman is 38mm 1.5") Definitely it would not be going that speed still after tumbling through the air for 100+ meters

@NoName-md5zb 5 месяцев назад

Warthunder is a game 😂

@UkrainianPaulie 5 месяцев назад

Yep. Everyone now thinks they are experts. @@NoName-md5zb

@Das_Red 5 месяцев назад

“even tho i missed, my alternative attack will still get you.”

@gavindodd133 4 месяца назад

Anime moment

@B.D.E. 5 месяцев назад

Nice! Now we need to see various 25mm bushmaster munitions against the front and side of T-90M turret and hull! Edit - they even have APFSDS for this gun.

@Sha.ll0w 5 месяцев назад

Not sure how well multiple HE would work, unless they are able to freeze the simulation of the plates between hits, so they can space the other HE rounds in the simulation as to leave them undisturbed by each explosion.

@kamilszadkowski8864 5 месяцев назад

Do we need to see this? The chances for penetration are less than 0% unless maybe hitting the turret ring.

@Hydrazine1000 5 месяцев назад

Only, going on the interview they did with both the Bradley driver and the Bradley gunner, they took out that T-90 by blinding it. The gunner deliberately went for the _optics_ on the T-90M turret. (Which also nicely explains why at one point in that video it appears that the smokescreen explodes / cooks off.)

@bastordd 5 месяцев назад

They have AP munitions in that 25mm cannon... Can you simulate that?

@VyarkX 5 месяцев назад

@@Hydrazine1000yeah the t90m looked functional otherwise. Was moving and turret was still articulating.

@hoosierfarmkid 5 месяцев назад

Yellowed crew.

@ivan5595 5 месяцев назад

just need some panzer chocolate

@FumbleSquid 5 месяцев назад

Hey some advice about the text to speech: you don't have to feed it the literal text. Like to get it to say sabot, you could spell it saybow or something. You may also be able to type in the phonetic alphabet spelling: sæboʊ

@ActionScripter 5 месяцев назад

Yeah I was gonna say this too. It's really jarring to hear it mangle the pronunciation like that. It's cool that people can use AI voices if they aren't comfortable using their own voice for the narration, but at least put some effort into it.

@DamplyDoo 5 месяцев назад

Freaking amazing, what a creative idea!

@OngoGablogian185 5 месяцев назад

One of these hit me when I was walking my dog. I was raging.

@alarminglyfastmovingskelet7289 5 месяцев назад

Hate it when that happens!

@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 5 месяцев назад

Cool story bro!

@thecell266 5 месяцев назад

i love this channel!

@Supersean0001 5 месяцев назад

Impressive . . . Most impressive.

@Marauder1981 5 месяцев назад

The two soldiers on the other side on that "Say Ahhhhhh." "AHHHHH........"

@detleph885 5 месяцев назад

Please do a 25 mm autocannon vs t-90 side hull simulation.

@thezig2078 5 месяцев назад

no pen, unless you strike the same place several times

@mr.waffentrager4400 5 месяцев назад

i can confirm no pen.

@pimmelschilz9728 5 месяцев назад

@@thezig2078Detleph2078 is referring to the latest incident in Ukraine, where 2 Bradleys disabled a T-90 with their autocannons.

@ansgaryeysymontt7155 5 месяцев назад

@@pimmelschilz9728 tank was still driving and crew bailed out.

@thezig2078 5 месяцев назад

@@pimmelschilz9728 at best they destroyed their optics, blinding the tanks in result, forcing the crew to bail out. Mission kill, but not complete destruction.

@jeff-jl5ti 5 месяцев назад

You should try what if the petals didn't fly off if you haven't already I feel like it would be really interesting

@sometripod5630 5 месяцев назад

It might be weird, but I wanna see the Abrams lower front plate vs the ISU-152s shell.

@beggottenson1869 4 месяца назад

This would be awesome but I doubt the simulation can accurately depict the outcome due to the secretive nature of the composition of the armor

@user-yc3jx8ff2b 5 месяцев назад

how do you simulate such shots? if you use a program then what's it called and how to get it? (your simulation videos are great btw)

@Engineer_dem 5 месяцев назад

@SYsimulations, what program was used? I am an engineer and I would really like to know what software is used. Ansys, if so, which one? please say

@venator5 4 месяца назад

Moral of the story. Don't shoot sabot just near to friendly units.

@dacian.dan.13 5 месяцев назад

Imagine the opposing force running an AAR and having to explain that one of their light armored vehicles got taken out by the battlefield equivalent of a background set prop.

@DeWellstein 5 месяцев назад

I guess that is what you call: Intense participation

@user-wo6yv1nb3g 5 месяцев назад

Gaijin: Sabots are so underrated. So let's give them a whole freaking kilometer!

@TheGreyBird71 5 месяцев назад

“Is that tank sho-“ The tank crew: that was lucky

@fishy_bolo 5 месяцев назад

APFSDS are just shotgun shells with a high penetrating middle round when at REALLY close range

@BlacktailDefense 5 месяцев назад

I'm cracking-up at how much damage the sabot petal did --- it's probably more deadly to light armor than the penetrator!

@exoticdachoo007 4 месяца назад

Thinking about it yea probably, since the area of the spall would a bit wider considering the angle the sabot entered the tank in while the dart would enter through the BTR and exit the other side

@Real_Claudy_Focan 5 месяцев назад

Can you do some "canister shots" against some IFV again ??

@дроу 5 месяцев назад

at what distance they separate?

@thiagorodrigues5211 5 месяцев назад

"bruh, how did you miss the BTR, our cannon was literally touching it"

@francislematt7079 3 месяца назад

Do you also analyse the vision blocks, coax MG ports, tracks and so on?

@JinKee 5 месяцев назад

How close would that btr have to be to the muzzle?

@JustaGuy1250 5 месяцев назад

will say, quite an unrealistic scenario. the sabot is designed to have a lot of drag, meaning it will lose speed extremely quickly. as shown in this video, it's presented as if the end of the barrel from which it is fired is less than 10 meters away from the BTR

@YoussefCherkaoui-xv8ev 5 месяцев назад

what's the software you are using

@xztwinzx 5 месяцев назад

so you modeled the moment when the shot was fired at point-blank range to the APC, of course the effect is strong, they quickly lose speed and penetration into the distance

@scorpion11729 4 месяца назад

For reference this is like taking a 24oz drink and chucking it at mach 4

@WalletWorrier 5 месяцев назад

Honestly probably more deadly than the shell itself in this case

@glike2 5 месяцев назад

Make a short video version for antiFUD

@deznut564 5 месяцев назад

How'd you die? "I got hit with a sabot petal"

@user-pw1oh2mw6q 5 месяцев назад

Probably should have tested against around 30mm RHA, this armor stood no chance

@Gracefulwarrior2124 5 месяцев назад

I agree; 8 mm (even with it being high hardness) is such a low protection to the point where penetration was expected. I mean it's interesting for sure, but it would've been even more interesting at 20-30 mm thick, to gauge just how strong the petal is by itself

@tairaudethades5204 5 месяцев назад

Could you please try some cannon ball on modern tank I think the results is obvious but it would be interesting thx❤

@randonamedboosh 5 месяцев назад

What simulator do you use

@tomk3732 3 месяца назад

Cool to see the problem is that if you cannot hit BTR 80 from like 200m you have issues....

@michaelsalazar7331 5 месяцев назад

Could you try a Tiger 1 or Panther vs a Centurion MK1 upper front plate?

@awya1467 5 месяцев назад

What?!!! Even the case pierce right through?? I have heard that shotgun shell cup are lethal in such a way

@Gracefulwarrior2124 5 месяцев назад

Tbf, it is only 8 mm of effective armor, and also I believe its high hardness armor, so its terrible at high energy impacts

@edi9892 5 месяцев назад

Would it be possible to show a 120mm cannon being fired and the muzzle blast shattering nearby windows? I'd like to see the affected range...

@contagioushavoc5794 5 месяцев назад

Drachinafel covered the size and danger of cannon muzzle blast for a few naval calibers in a drydock video 3 to 5 years ago, 127mm guns were common at the time so that video may include information that is applicable.

@davesthrowawayacc1162 5 месяцев назад

So it would definitely go through a friendly infantryman (modelled by a thin membrane witness plate) standing too close to the muzzle when firing then?

@georgem7965 Месяц назад

This could only happen within a few hundred meters of the muzzle. The sabot components start to discard as soon as the projectile leaves the muzzle.

@xikungao2376 5 месяцев назад

I feel like that's more damage than the dart itself would have done

@hhhhhhhhh1071 5 месяцев назад

More damage but the dart would penetrate more

@vladimirputin7975 5 месяцев назад

Bro this happened to me a sabot pedal hit my side armor, went straight through my btr-80a killed everybody and set off the ammo, I was pissed. 😂

@Patryk-ix2zr 5 месяцев назад

At 10m range I guess it's expected to have the power to pen thin plates. I wonder how big threat the sabot would pose at let's say 100m distance or more.

@belgianfried 5 месяцев назад

Speed would be like, 50 - 150 m/s by then. Defo no penn, you can see the sabot is completely dissolved by the end of this ordeal - and this is at 1,455 m/s

@5co756 5 месяцев назад

I don't think that they travel 100m , once they spread out they deaccelerate very fast .

@Patryk-ix2zr 5 месяцев назад

@@5co756 I doubt anything thrown in the air at over 1400m/s would be capable of fully deaccelerating in 100m.

@5co756 5 месяцев назад

@@Patryk-ix2zr If this Sabot would stay horizontal the whole time then yes , way more aerodynamic and less friction . But they spread out and went vertical , so they have a larger surface . And friction increases with speed to square , so theres a huge force on that Sabot . And I think they went up in the air or down into the ground , some will probably hit you from above at 100m . 😅

@BrutalEnough 5 месяцев назад

Oh my!

@changewingkid3938 5 месяцев назад

Here’s a hypothetical situation I’ve been pondering for some time, and entirely sci-fi/unrealistic. What would happen if humanity turned the densest material currently known (nuclear pasta) into an apfsds shell? Would it be optimal and effective, or would there be not enough spalling, and result in overpenetration?

@mahernoor1590 5 месяцев назад

How can i get the simulation???

@romain8501 5 месяцев назад

I wonder what a burst from a ZSU 23 would do to modern composite armor and if it could destoy each layer

@user-pw1oh2mw6q 5 месяцев назад

NASA computer required to do simulations like that, unfortunately

@Punisher9419 5 месяцев назад

Cool.

@The_whales 5 месяцев назад

If you see a sabot, you die from the dart object or the petals keeping it stable

@mocopie1453 5 месяцев назад

request cheftain mk 3 vs t62 front turret

@gggw2 5 месяцев назад

someone tell me how he does this?

@MrSquirrelys 5 месяцев назад

Imagine getting your vehicle knocked out from the pettel

@_S.T.A.L.K.E.R._ 5 месяцев назад

What software or installations do you do these tests on?

@user-jk6nl3ny6p 5 месяцев назад

Такой же вопрос.

@_S.T.A.L.K.E.R._ 5 месяцев назад

@@user-jk6nl3ny6p Я думаю, что это программа ANSYS.

@fatihorkunss 5 месяцев назад

İt is even more effective than apfsds itself😅

@hakankosebas2085 5 месяцев назад

what is made of, o cola can?

@hhhhhhhhh1071 5 месяцев назад

Imagine if they make petals inside of petals like those Russian dolls in a sorta shotgun configuration

@anonymuz796 5 месяцев назад

How about BTR with ERA?

@-di-johnson6706 5 месяцев назад

That’s if your are firing at point blank range

@user-cr4sc1ht9t 4 месяца назад

funny how TTS is messing up "projectILE"

@_blackdeep_3518 5 месяцев назад

May i ask what this sabot made of? I always was thinking that it's made of plastic but since it can penetrate armored vehicle now I'm confused

@SYsimulations 5 месяцев назад

This one is high strength aluminium alloy. They're often aluminium alloy or high strength composite

@_blackdeep_3518 5 месяцев назад

@@SYsimulations thank you for explanation

@Littleginkgobiloba 5 месяцев назад

This could happen realy fast as a frienldy fire incident. When you remember the Videos of the Russians invading Mariupol, they sent IFV first and tank behind, some got stuck. Now imagine what the gunner starts to load into the breach, when a hostile tank comes around the corner.

@xxfalconarasxx5659 5 месяцев назад

But what about at longer range? I would imagine those discarding sabots would quickly lose energy over distance.

@Erusean_pilot 5 месяцев назад

They would.

@nikitakhmelevskyi6257 5 месяцев назад

4 in 1 military version

@mosinM-so5ng 5 месяцев назад

so technically this is a pseudo shotgun apfsds

@feolender2938 2 месяца назад

now do building 7

@sangoan4150 4 месяца назад

turret t72 vs dm 53

@VictorFNV 5 месяцев назад

Do KILLDOZER vs ATOMIC BOMB

@patrykb_ 5 месяцев назад

More infantry vehicles! More🤤 I would like to see the same simulation only with the Rosomak KTO that Ukraine received, the Polish Patria AMV

@11bx288 5 месяцев назад

Can anyone tell me how he does these simulations, if this is a game

@neurofiedyamato8763 5 месяцев назад

Now try a these sabot at 1km against a tank frontal armor war thunder shotgun style /s

@hi_-bz7wf 5 месяцев назад

This simulation would imply that at this range the petal would do more damage than the sabot.

@xxfalconarasxx5659 5 месяцев назад

It probably would. Has much less penetration, but it does creates a bigger hole, and more spall. More post-penetration damage.

@belgianfried 5 месяцев назад

No wonder. It's going at 1,455 m/s

@GerardMenvussa 5 месяцев назад

That's a crazy amount of energy :o

@tommeakin1732 5 месяцев назад

It's not something I've really given a great deal of thought to tbh. Does anyone know what the "threat cone" size and range is for modern 120mm and 125mm guns when firing fin? I can imagine that the petals can go a long way and fan out quite a bit meaning there could be quite the danger zone for friendly infantry (even if the chance of getting hit is slim). Even if they slow down to, say, 50m/s; 700g at that speed is no fucking joke to a mans body lol. And considering the probability of getting hit by the petals as infantry - I imagine autocannons firing fin can be a great threat to friendly infantry, even if the sabots will be far lighter and lose energy quicker

@chrisblack6258 5 месяцев назад

I forgot what the number is, but I'm sure the channel "The Chieftain" has answered this question before. It's a big number if memory serves, like 500 meters or something

@kireta21 5 месяцев назад

From memory: For 120mm, hazard zone for falling petals starts at 200m and ends at 1000m where it's 140m wide. Muzzle blast is potentially injuring at 200m, with special note reminding to watch out for glass falling from shattered windows, and can impare hearing at 500m. For 25mm hazard zone is 100m long, 17 degree in both sides. Which is no surprise, sabot is about 5cm long, and half of it hollow, I'm guessing to increase air drag

@kireta21 5 месяцев назад

found current range safety regulations (publicly available, don't report me 😀): For 120mm AP sabot, hazard zone for falling petals is 1300m long, for MPAT sabot it's 750m. For 25mm sabot made entirely out of alluminun 400m clearance is required, for new hollow ones with plastic cap only 100m. Quite improvement. Little extra: hazard zone for M829A3 projectile is 30km, zone for ricochet hazard is 2.4km, I assume around target. Targets cannot be placed higher than 5 degree upward, so elevation of gun doesn't exceed 5 + whatever gun needs to elevate to compensate for drop. I guess shooting at full elevation would require over 100km clearance behind target, which does sound like an issue.

@tommeakin1732 5 месяцев назад

@@kireta21 Awesome to get some figures! I do wonder how "seriously" those rules are taken in an actual warzone - like for the 120mm, the likelihood of clocking a friendly soldier with one of three petals spread over a 100 metre wide area has to be really low - like not so low that you'd ignore it in training, but I could see it being ignored during wartime

@kireta21 5 месяцев назад

@@tommeakin1732 in kill-or-be-killed scenario no one expects you to hold back. If accident happens, it happens. After things calm down, it will be handled like any other accidental injury/death. If it's not emergency, you'll be at least expected to warn guys in front of you and give them time to get out of way or into cover. Though generally infantry guys are aware of danger, and can be trusted to stay clear off your muzzle when you're going to need it.

@deusvult6787 5 месяцев назад

thanks for the video I've been curious for a long time about what they're up to but from witch country are this "arrow" because if i am not mistaken the most american and europe typs have 4 aluminium alloy

@hunorziegler-gx3ys 5 месяцев назад

game/app name ???

@el_benja 4 месяца назад

You're discarded by the discarded. Life doesn't lack the sense of irony

@haraldhardrada2865 4 месяца назад

80А? Что это за модель такая?

@viliboy 5 месяцев назад

Rip left ear

@yukomikoshiba1961 5 месяцев назад

Doctor: "we took out approximately hundred plus hards from your body"

@HowToBecomeAChair 5 месяцев назад

That btr-80 must be activated 500% silver lipn booster😂😂😂😂

@ddaauuaa4380 5 месяцев назад

use the bullet ? , nahh , we only use the sabot petal to destroy light tanks

@alexthegreat5009 5 месяцев назад

Who knows what the projectile hits 5km away, we don't care anyway

@ShuRugal 5 месяцев назад

What is a "sah-bot"? Is it anything like a sabot?

@gordo5238 3 месяца назад

you are trying to be smart but are too dumb to realize its ai voice

@Ygerna 5 месяцев назад

APFSDS do not rotate in the air. They are the main reason NATO tanks have a smooth bore barrel. The fins also impede any angular momentum along that axis of the projectile. Regardless, can we get a simulation of an APFSDS hitting major armour?