How DC Ruined Their New Superman in 9 Months 

Remember when Patrick Gleason & Tomasi completely revitalized Superman and his entire family by introducing him as being to married to Lois with Jon Kent as their young, infant, impressionable, LITERAL Superboy? When his first interactions with Damian Wayne (and Batman & Superman as a whole as fathers) were grounds for some great f*c%in stories? The introduction of the SUPER SONS??? (By none other than Alfred btw) Yea… good times

"He didn't do anything heroic, he became a super activist. No one wants a comic book about a super activist." 😂 🤣

Even if this comic gets canceled it will probably not be satisfying enough because Tom Taylor is not capable of admitting that his take was a failure.

A better way to tell Jon Kent as Superman is to keep Clark around. Clark, for some reason, loses his powers. Clark encourages Jon to take over the Superman mantle. Clark, through Kryptonian technology, can see & hear everything on Jon's missions. Kryptonian technology is what makes it possible for Clark to join in Jon's battles with whatever adversary he's up against. But Jon has a different take on what it mean's to be Superman. And this creates conflict between Clark & Jon. You can have the best of both worlds by keeping Clark in Jon's life.

No one is buying this nonsense and it was fail experiment. We seen this done with Tim Drake also. Jon had so much potential to be good character if DC got someone who understood Jon Kent and Superman family dynamic. Sales have failed because Dc has poor editorial control and creative teams with their political views. Fans have rejected Jon Kent and Tim Drake who both experienced sexual swaps. Dc is gonna learn the hard way. Sale numbers don’t lie.

It is time for the real Jon Kent, who is still a kid, to be rescued by his father from that prison Ultraman trapped him on Earth 3. I don't care if woke Jon is a time anomaly or a bizarro clone.

I loved Jon Kent when he was a kid! Bring back Super Sons! That was a comic I could actually read with my kids. My son and I loved it. Why they aged him up I'll never know. It screamed fake. It was a totally lost opportunity.

I don 't think these comic book "creators" care whether their comics succeed or not. They're all about the "message" they're trying to promote.

If they were to have someone replace Superman I think it makes sense to do it with the character that’s been around for a really long time, Conner Kent.

Here's the writing problem with LGTBQ+ over every other type of diversity: you can't see it just by looking at someone, you have to show it either by talking about it or showing the physicality of it. A black character like John Stewart, no matter what he does, is obviously a Black guy. He doesn't need to say anything about it; the artists can have him literally do anything and it's a black man doing it, which is obvious to the audience. But with LGTBQ+, the only way to know is to show: they have to talk about it and express it physically for anyone to really know. This is one of the reasons LGTBQ+ characters can tank so fast: if a writer takes time out of EVERY ISSUE to remind the audience, "hey people, this guy is GAY, and this issue, we're showing that by going to the gay club/coming out to his parents/kissing his new boyfriend/etc." then it's the focus of the comic is being an LGTBQ story with a superhero backdrop instead of a super hero story where the character is LGTBQ+. Seriously, just got back to any comic 40 years ago and swap the dialogue: does any character have to walk in and continually announce how straight they are, show off their straight significant other, insist on checking out the straight club to meet straight people, and march in parades celebrating straightness? You might get a scene with Superman bragging about something Lois did or Ralph Dibney enjoying the married life, but for the most part, relationships were understated and not the focus of the books. That gets completely flipped with LGTBQ+ characters, because the writers have to constantly remind the readers about their sexuality since it can't just be 'seen' by looking at them.

I actually finally read super sons this week which made this whole thing a million times worse! That was such an enjoyable read Wes!

For the coming out to Lois scene... I wrote in my review of the comic issue that I would have made her be a bit hesitant about Jon identifying as LGBTQ and having a boyfriend... Cos she has reservations about Jon being in a relationship due to how quickly he grew (compared to Earth Standards)... She would have come around of course but it would have been an opportunity to fleshout Jon as a character and address the issues certain readers have about his age.

Honestly Jay nakamura would be more interesting if he was a bad guy. I enjoy the Lovers to Ememis trope. Makes every conflict more layerd.

Making him gay and 10 years older outta no where was the worst idea

Wes, I ask this as a favor, please don't ever show a picture of Tom Taylor again! It literally makes me angry. He has such a punch able, smug face. God, I despise that man.

Is sad how Bendis and Taylor ruined one of the more promising new DC characters.The book is awful.

Bendis trashed Jon Kent and Taylor made him boring! The whole series is a clickbate publicity strategy that's backfired spectacularly for DC. It's no wonder sales are falling off a cliff!

I still maintained we need to deaged my boy Jonathan Samuel Kent superboy as his little 10 year old self and aging him up was basically a terrible idea from the very beginning.

It's going to be a long lonnngggg 12 More years before Superman becomes Public Domain

I think the new comic book writers forgot about how to write a comic book story….. it’s seems more like in my country calls: telenovelas

They ruined him 😡😡😡I was really looking forward to a young john kent and his adventures I wanted to see more of his friendship with damien

Something glitched out writing my comment, I'll post again: Jon couldn't be portrayed any more ignorant and unlikable. Superman fought side by side with Bruce and others against the god of an entire dark multiverse, against the goddess of the omniverse and the darker threat (Batman Who Laughs) that claimed it all, and Jon claims that Superman "could have done more"? If any character would witness this they'd tell Jon to "get the F outa here".

Although I didn't like that Bendis aged the character, Jon still had the potential to be something special. Buut... way to drop the ball on that DC. You never fail to let me down. Superboy/man is trash. The Legion of Super-heroes is trash. Green Lantern is trash. Human Target is trash. Wonder Woman is trash. Want to see how to write Jon Kent? Go watch Superman and Lois.

Jupiter’s Legacy was how you write the off spring of a Superman like character. I’m not sure at this point what this story is about.

I think they confuse subverting expectations with plot twists… we like plot twists, not subverting our expectations

The comics live up to the saying that "Hard times produce strong men who make good times (Kal-EL).. Good times produce weak men who will make hard times (His son)".

You know even if you take out the whole Jon Kent being bisexual thing I'm still convinced this would have failed and that's just because Jon as an adult is an unpopular concept Tom Taylor was really between a rock and a hard place when he came onto this he was writing a character that went through a change nobody liked and a lot of people were not really looking forward to seeing what was going to happen to him they wanted to see him become a kid again in well that's not what happened

Geoffrey Thorne’ Green Lantern is a mess, Tom Taylor’s Superman is awful and Round Robin 2 giving us a difficult Decision to choose Green Lantern The Light at the End of Forever and Superboy Man of Tomorrow to redeem the Green Lantern and Superman lore.

And it will failed even more if the Connor Kent Superboy Man of tomorrow comic gets made and start selling more than this one and I hope it does.

I've read better coming out stories in fanfiction, so the only way Tom Taylor could impress was through Jon Kent's portrayal as a hero; oh well, money saved.

Even Stevie Wonder could see that this was gonna be a massive fail.

Hahaha. Jon Kent has now failed as a character. DC is too stubborn to admit that Tomasi got the character right. It's ironic that after Rebirth Jon has lost his childhood innocence. They need to eat some humble pie and after Dark Crisis de-age him and bring back super sons and the family aspect to the Superman. Let Jon grow up gradually

You know, I was actually kinda excited about this series when it was last year. While I was still a bit jaded by Jon's forced age up, I was interested to see his journey to becoming Superman. Ten issues and an annual later, the series hasn't given me a SINGLE great story arc. Not even a decent one-and-done issue. What could've been a story about growing out of childhood and into manhood was instead a big nothing burger. If I had chosen the creative team, I would love to have seen (and this might be an oddball pick) Robert Venditti as the writer and Dexter Soy as the artist. I think these two could have had a Jon Kent Superman run that would have been goated for years. If only...

if dc experiments in making long stages with characters located in their own universes (using both new and existing characters) and that they give them a definitive ending and make it clear that they do not follow agendas, I will read one of powergirl, as long as it has excellent writing

This, THIS is what ended it for me. what they did to Jon is officially what ended my love for comics. I stopped buying about 2-3 years ago, but I still kept up here and there through pirating. Jon was the character that gave me hope for the future of comics back during the tomasi run on superman and the Supersons story. But after what they've done to him, absolutely butchering his character, I'm done. Packing up the boxes of comics, figures, etc and selling it all- done. I just can't do it anymore

It’s pretty impressive in a sad awful way!

I'm totally fine with Jon Kent being bi or even homosexual. All love is good as long as it's between consenting adults. But that part of the character's life should never be the sole focus, especially if we're talking superheroes. Superhero comics are like wrestling. You have to get people invested in the character and the stories surrounding them. You have to get the character over so that the fans have a reason to keep coming back. And it's totally fine to talk about the issues that affect us in the real world, that's something which goes all the way back to the origins of comics in the 1930s, but you have to give the reader a reason why they should care. Give the main protagonist a reason to be passionate about the topic at hand. Make it something which affects them at a personal level. I may not be a professional writer, yet, but even I know this about comics because I'm a reader, and sometimes I wonder if people like Tom Taylor read comics because they seem to have a huge disconnect with what makes comics so loved by people.

I think the one thing that holds Jon’s story back is Clark not being around. My favorite parts of Rebirth were when Clark was mentoring Jon. I truly believe he can have an amazing story. Just think if they tapped into Jon being isolated for 5 years on Earth-3 with Ultraman? What a great villain that would be. It could also represent him defeating his own mentality of being in his fathers shadow. One big gripe I have so far is the villains. Like, Bendix is so uninteresting.

Jon really needed some big dynamic action stories to "prove" himself to readers. This slow drama take would have been ok if Jon was already a hit as Superman.....but this is his first solo book! He needs to build his feats, his social circle, his own enemies, and possibly his own crises that differentiate him from his father....fine Bendix is a fair choice for villain but....people are bored of this comic. Dynamic things need to happen, with quicker pacing.

When Jay was first introduced several people said that the only *interesting* thing would be if he was actually a villain.

dc seemed to have turned the superboy title into a gay romance title and it will be a while before romance titles can make a comeback ever since they went extinct in the mid 1970s. Maybe dreamer will be able to save the superboy title.

Good job man!!! Thank you for hitting on this issue without it being about his preference. If its shitty writting than it sucks!!! PERIOD!!!

DC really miss the fans anticipated Conner-Jon big brother little brother moment, Bendis run damage Superman's family really bad

DC stands for Dead Company.

I remember as a child back in the 1980's in grade school and junior high school adults, parents, & schoolteachers had problems with art in Batman comics where Batman & Catwoman kissed. Now superman's son is drawn kissing another guy in comics. .. wow .. times have change. My 1980's Florida Southern Baptist church would have boycotted the hell out of comics nowadays.

Get recommended a article about superman's son. Then saw a picture of him kissing a dude...🚮

Anything that has "Superman didn't do enough" is an instant non buy.

I think you nailed it, man.

If I ever get a chance to talk to dc or Tom Taylor and I'll say " As a fan of Jon kent look how you massacred my boy"

His father face against darkseid doomsday brainiac and more over powered beings and this little man calls him a failure when he did nothing but come out as gay omg am gay now let’s fight for change woke power and darkseid comes back to earth and sees this loser flying around screaming woke power darkseid is like fuck this shit instead ruling this world I’m just going blow it up from space

My problem is that John‘s character is barely 6 years old and they’ve done nothing but give him restrictions. He don’t really have a secret identity, he couldn’t join the Titans. They couldn’t even keep him at the same age for more than a year. And already he’s Superman That’s so happens to be gay. If he’d grew up with Damien Wayne and 10 years down the line that would’ve been more acceptable. but I don’t think DC had that amount of time

Well let's all be happy this is JOHN Kent and not CLARK Kent. Leave my childhood superheroes alone!!

that face of Wes on the video when you Click it LOL ( we Love it ) !

I wish this interview happened with Trent from Bounding Into Comics: Trent: "Can you confirm Lois and Jay Nakamura are the real stars of the comic?" Taylor: [no response, looks like 9:22] Trent: "That's a Yes or No question." Taylor: [no response, looks like 9:22] Trent: "Is there something wrong with you?" Taylor: [no response, looks like 9:22] Trent: "You're probably going to go insane and harm me?" Taylor: [no response, looks like 9:22] ... sorry I don't have a punchline

I was so ready and excited to support this comic once it was coming out. But once I got into it... I was sadly disappointed and got this whole "let's just write something to just target some people and not write a decent story ". Ok.. why can't they just make a superhero who's gay and not a gay superhero that isn't doing crap heroic? Sad. Seems like man hate for superman too.

Wes, do you think Jay Nakamura’a Pink hair is Pink Kryptonite? It would make sense oh Jon being bisexual out of nowhere. I bet Tom Taylor tries to subvert expectation and make Jay into a Holdo like Character. *I believe in second chance but Tom Taylor is one of those people who don’t deserve second chance*

Bet DC is regretting that Tom Taylor exclusive contract now

since he "was born" superghey, i wonder how many times he's forced Damien to be his boy toy, even at that young age?

They need to revert Jon back to being 10 and continue the parenthood story line. That was so good until stupid Bendis.

Superheroes in spandex are on their way out. Nothing can keep them going. The genre has lost its appeal. Companies are simply experiencing the law of diminishing returns.

How sad.

For Jay supposedly being a big part of the story it’s interesting how one of the main complaints I’ve seen from the book is that Jay isn’t in it much and you know nothing about them

I don’t collect or buy anything pass bronze.

Get Jon Kent back to being a pre-teen, to palling around with Damian Wayne, and for crying out loud, Jor-El died when Krypton died, period!

The sad part is -- the activist (cosplaying as a writer) would not see low sales & shitty stories as a failure. They would see "Superman Is Gay" in the headlines as a win.

Jon Kent should have stayed as a kid, instead of having Brian Michael Bendis destroying Superman comics. I would like to see Jon develop when he grows up and gaining powers like his father when he was a kid

Jon Kent was one of the main reasons I used to check out DC Rebirth when it was new. I used to see him as a precious kid and enjoy partnering up with Robin. When I heard he was aged up, I lost interest as I would’ve been happy if Conner Kent was the older Superboy, but I didn’t know about his run as Superman till watching Thinking Critical’s response on Jon Kent Superman…What have they done with my boy? I would’ve prefer this coming to age story when he’s younger as when I think of Superman where Jon’s hormones are having him questioning his identity and seeing his dad not as super when it comes to non violent human problems and try to do a Marvel’s Champions story.

I hope when they redo the universe this all gets wiped out

Too bad with DC's new distribution company we don't have good sales figure estimates. Wonder how Superman: Son of Kal-El is doing now.

I think that Bendis left the character in an interesting place. Jon Kent had travelled through space and had been taught how to repair spaceships. He had also travelled to the future. I good writer could have taken his backstory and made the character great! But instead they only write crap.

I still collect classic Superman comics and merch. Anything after 2000 I avoid like the plague.

Let's not overlook the more recent intent to race swap Clark Kent! I thought earlier ideas of doing this was already abandoned, but I couldn't be more wrong! This is conceivably more despicable than when Slott had Peter Parker's body taken over by Doc Ock, or just as bad in a different way. This is NOT how you attain race equality. The face of Superman/Clark Kent has been the same for more than 83 years. You want to completely blank out over 3/4 of a century of character history! While you're at it, go ahead and target some of the long-standing popular novels like Moby Dick. I'm sure Captain Ahab doesn't mind having his race changed to appease the masses. You want to erase every White character is history as your ultimate goal? It always starts slow, then ramps up to the ridiculous! Bias actions are just that, no matter who you target. Every White person is NOT racist, just as every other race is NOT absent their share of racists among them! These types of agendas only serve to widen the gap in race relations.

It's about THE MESSAGE.

Damian Wayne stayed a kid for a long time in real-world years and so seeing him grow up a bit now and even have his own solo title is so satisfying. Jon, on the other hand, I can't try to be happy for even if he is the logical successor to the Superman identity (being Kal-El's son), simply because I never got to see him truly grow. A lot of people like to point out that making Jon come out was a mistake. To me, the real mistake was aging him up too soon.

When did comic books get away from flying dragons, punching evil aliens, giant robots, negative clones, antimatter lasers, and planet eating cosmic gods? This reminds me of that crappy Starfire book featuring Starfire's plus size, emo, bisexual daughter.

Jon Kent was special... When he was Superboy... They took that away from him...

Ya know? as a bi guy myself, who prefers guys mainly, this kinda bothers me. Seems to me like DC just want to milk off sexuality for publicity and sales. Hell, if I wanted to read a god damn gay comic I'd buy bishonoun or yaoi manga! At least I know that's targetted at people that want that rather than randomized into superhero comics! Stop milking off LGBTQ+ DC! honestly? I find this worse than dealing with homophobes.

It might take a year or so, but soon Clark will be back and Jon will disappear into the background. I just don't see this lasting all that long in its current state. There is nothing compelling for them to build upon.

The entire "subversion" approach reminds me of Dadaism; succinctly in the rejection of logic and reason in favor of expressing nonsense and irrationality, all while embracing a political or ideological system.

DCeased did his character far better to be honest

Thanks a lot Tom Taylor this is the most pathetic superman I’ve ever seen! Superman Prime needs is own comic because Gay Superman is not for me!

He told to his father didn't do enough(witch is bullshit) but he does less his father ever did. Bad writing 101: show something, and say the opposite happened.

This was predictable. And when agenda is more important than actual writing or storytelling, you get this.

I just realized something if Jon is gay... HOW IS THE KRYPTONIAN RACE GOING TO CONTINUE!?!?!?!?!?!

Superman has been my favorite character ever since I was a kid. I haven't bought a Superman comic since Bendis took over, and not because I stopped reading comics!

The stupid part is that this would be ripe grounds for content. Jonathan Kent has concerns that are more small picture like global warming or mass migration. However, instead of acting like a *human* activist, he could have used his insane powers to actually do something about this. He could have used his super breath to refreeze parts of the arctic to protect coastal communities. He could have had one of the countless inventors create a device to remove garbage from the atmosphere and taken a couple laps around the planet. He could have delivered supplies to vulnerable regions or used his powers to help them plant acres of crops in mere minutes. He could have busted the cartels and warlords keeping these people oppressed, giving them the stability to improve their homes and live in relative peace. He could have flown out into space to track down elusive materials that could help drive clean energy development. He would have naturally come into conflict with Clark over going too far because Clark never wanted to interfere with humans. Jonathan could have hit back with "But part of me *is* human! I have the power to make things better for the planet! I have the power to take down assholes nobody else cares about! Why shouldn't I do my part to make this world a better place?!" His boyfriend could have still been around and helped ground him without his love life becoming an unnecessary core part of the story. The likes of Bruce or Diana could have given him some advice about the dangers of spreading himself too thin or making people too dependent lest they never learn to help themselves. His activities could have inspired other heroes with the power to do some good in the world. I often wonder why Arthur or Kaldur have never used their powers to belch every scrap of plastic in the ocean up onto the beaches of the surface world and demanded people clean up after themselves. The likes of Lex Luthor could come into play, offering near-limitless supplies and support in exchange for sponsoring Jonathan's growing movement. Jonathan would know he is being used and that this is Lex taking a shot at Clark, but might not care if it this bargain will give him the tools to serve the greater good. This would have been a more human story about a son trying his damnedest to be what the world expects him to be. Jonathan Kent doesn't need to fly around punching evil people in the face or lifting impossibly heavy object, but he needs to be doing things that only a Superman could do. As we got him, he could have been any random kid who had tunnel-vision over his own problems and identity. Whew. Did not plan on that tirade.

Jordan Peterson (controversial figure...I know) responded to an audience member on an Australian talk show. I think he essentially noted that A lot of social activism is done by people who "don't have their own house in order". In other words, activism displaces the time and hard work it takes to become a competent, productive member within your family and community, where you can have the most effect. Work on yourself first; become knowledgeable about how the World actually works, and practice problem solving on a familial and community level. So when you do become active on a macro level, you can back up what and how you want change, and have the capability to contribute to that change. Clark grew up learning to farm, he went to journalism school, and traveled the World. In many iterations, he spent time with at the Fortress learning wisdom from the "known galaxies" through Jor-El's holo. All before donning the cape. Jon was learning things up to a pre- teen child's developmental stage, and then magically aged up to a young adult for no other purpose it seems, then to allow for a romantic relationship and having a comparable silhouette to his father in action scenes. He's essentially Shazam without the wisdom of Solomon. And that, I imagine, is a big reason for why this endeavor has not worked.

Im a huge Superman fan. I dropped this book after 3 issues. The way the characters are written now are a small comparison to the days when Dan Jurgens who…you know actually KNOWS the character and its mythology.

Thank you!!! ABSOLUTE DISASTER!!! And I don’t even like Superman lol so it’s not like I’m hating or anything! But like come on with this weird agenda!

You know years ago they referred to Jon Kent as superman son who turned evil and became black zero

I've been reading this Superman book since issue 1. It has its up and down. Very agenda suggestive. If you read his future state stuff he's little more superman but still has some ways to go. This book is foundation of him becoming a real superhero. Just because he's superman doesn't mean he's superman. He has a lot to learn and Clark didn't train him like Batman did with the Robins. So he's going to be very noobish but he's going to try his hardest to make it work. Also I foresaw Jay being either gay or villain when I 1st saw him in #2. So now we're going to see Jon have his 1st heart break too in the coming issues. Lastly Jon saves people in almost every issue.

Nothing matters more than the “message”

I hope this community could help in battling these monsters that disguised themselves as comic book writers. Don’t buy anything made by these Social Justice Warriors let the sales plummet make them do another crisis event let them reboot again I’m really sick and tired of their shlt

DC: We need to up our sales (beyond the numbers we keep insisting are great). Guy running DC [Munching paint chips]: Let's make Superman's son bisexual and have Superman get sodomized. BRILLIANT!

I'm amazed it took this long for it to fail.

These books have become spot the self insert: the comic

I swear DC needs to stop hiring writers named Tom.

😂😂Even Captain planets throws a punch and saves the day

My dad had been collecting comics from before I was born and as I grew up we started enyoing the hobby together, when Bendis started changing stuff we sort of stopped looking after the day we bought comics (we usually bought ones a month) and when we noticed we werent going to the store any more... cos the story didnt call us anymore

This is random, but it kinda annoys me that some of the drawing is actually quite good and it bothers me that people took time and worked hard illustrating this. Jon was a nice little boy and was interesting back in Super Sons and the Superman books. This hurts man. Also is Jon even friends with Damian anymore???