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How Democracy Emerged in Taiwan: How the KMT Let Go 

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@Fash0da
@Fash0da 6 лет назад
Your content is really good. The only thing I can recommend is perhaps taking more than one take of your script so you can iron out your mistakes rather than just leaving in the awkward pauses. If you can invest in a better mic as well, you have real potential for growth! I look forward to following your progress.
@luisfer9361
@luisfer9361 6 лет назад
And showing transcripts of speeches and quotes would be nice too
@sokolmihajlovic1391
@sokolmihajlovic1391 3 года назад
Like your content. As Towny soggested, some minor technical improvement would give you a bigger reach
@pok1pok
@pok1pok Год назад
Nah, good enough as it is. Good analysis.
@jbeason2929
@jbeason2929 Год назад
I enjoy the unpolished form... it feels genuine and reminds me that Im not listening to some bot
@bernardfinucane2061
@bernardfinucane2061 2 года назад
I lived in Taipei in the mid to late 80s. As I recall, the KMT was considered a joke and a lot of people were very annoyed by the lack of competent governance.
@MagSnapShots
@MagSnapShots 2 года назад
TSMC was founded and developed by the KMT technocrats during the mid to late-1980s. That's the company driving Taiwan's economy today.
@eruno_
@eruno_ Год назад
It seems things remain the same KMT is still considered a joke
@jordanlaramore5430
@jordanlaramore5430 6 лет назад
Can you make a video about South Korea's transfer to Democracy? I know this happened around the same time as Taiwan's but that's about all I know.
@tonychen1062
@tonychen1062 6 лет назад
Go for your self! I believe only very few perhaps just you care about this subject in amount of viewer of this video.
@goosecouple
@goosecouple 3 года назад
South Korea is a Republic. North Korea is Democratic.
@hanbyeol12
@hanbyeol12 3 года назад
Funny to think that prior to 1987, South Korea was an even worse dictatorship than North Korea
@hanbyeol12
@hanbyeol12 3 года назад
@@goosecouple Semantics
@zacheryhernandez7298
@zacheryhernandez7298 Год назад
this is a valuable channel, please never stop making high quality content like this
@chrisharmon2730
@chrisharmon2730 6 лет назад
I'd say the Taiwanese natives were much less wiped out than those in America. In fact, out on the east coast and in the mountains, the natives were able to live in their traditional way until the Japanese changed that around 1915...they were hunting heads in the 1900s.
@Nathan-jh1ho
@Nathan-jh1ho 3 года назад
The ones that moved to the mountains, otherwise they were assimilated or "wiped out"
@applythesamewaytoyourselve5918
@applythesamewaytoyourselve5918 3 года назад
And young generation in Taiwan love Japan ignoring that heads hunting like young generation in Hongkong love Britain who humiliated their ancestor.
@Ruairitrick
@Ruairitrick 3 года назад
That time frame isn't very different from the US. The eastern state of Oregon was only began being settled on mass by European descendants in the 1840's.
@Hideyoshi1991
@Hideyoshi1991 2 года назад
​@@applythesamewaytoyourselve5918 that's because modern Japanese people have very little to do with it, and in spite of the government's nonsense, most Japanese if asked would agree that what was done in Taiwan, Korea, and China was horrible.
@CSmith-hx2pm
@CSmith-hx2pm 6 лет назад
Hey, great video overall but there is a repeated mistake. The Leninist vanguard party model does not claim to be representative of the entire country, it claims to be representative of the overwhelming majority of the country as the leadership of the proletariat and oppressed people. The CPC in China would only begin its talk of representing *everyone* post-Mao after the restoration of capitalism. A more precise common ground between the Kuomintang and the CPC is the use of democratic centralism as the principal by which the party functions, which does have its foundation in Marxism but goes further back before Lenin. Again- overall a great video but I wanted to help out on this point. Thanks for doing what you do. Your content is very good!
@faisaloishik84
@faisaloishik84 6 лет назад
The mistakes makes it feel like more down to earth so I'm not complaining
@Idk-sj8ly
@Idk-sj8ly 5 лет назад
I actually live in Taiwan,so this is very interesting to me...
@christophersomeus6924
@christophersomeus6924 6 лет назад
Thanks for your videos, your content is really interesting ! You should deserve way more subscribers
@tyvamakes5226
@tyvamakes5226 3 года назад
I always felt that Chiang Ching Kuo followed the three stages of national revolution.
@dy031101
@dy031101 2 года назад
Chiang Kai-Shek died while the CCP, reaping the benefits of their falling out with the Soviet Union at that time, was still considered an effective obstacle for democracy with respect to Taiwan.
@jiaweizhang4166
@jiaweizhang4166 6 лет назад
I wouldn't label Abraham Lincoln as authoritarian while fighting a civil war against slavery. ROC should be considered a functional democracy when KMT and its president nominee Chiang Kai Shek were popularly elected in 1948. The main problem was that after communist takeover, election of the National Congress was no longer possible. As a result it stayed the way as was first elected into office.
@petitnicollas
@petitnicollas 2 года назад
Using arbitrary prisons, torture and going agaisnt taiwanese citizens. No, he's not democratic.
@mojewjewjew4420
@mojewjewjew4420 2 года назад
@@petitnicollas Democracy has to be upheld sometimes by force,no going around it anarchist.
@petitnicollas
@petitnicollas 2 года назад
@@mojewjewjew4420 They were not democratic back them
@mojewjewjew4420
@mojewjewjew4420 2 года назад
@@petitnicollas Yes they were,more than commies too.
@dy031101
@dy031101 2 года назад
The Confederates did have a point when they talked about state rights. They were, however, undermined by a leadership that did break away in part to keep slavery in an era where rest of the world already largely moved on from it.
@eruno_
@eruno_ Год назад
I would love to see you do historical video on DPP. It seems there isn't much information in western sources how it was formed and how exactly it developed from tangwai movement. Would also love to learn how DPP ideology drifted from initial democratisation and hardcore independence cause to modern social liberal status quo preservation.
@timtu3019
@timtu3019 3 года назад
So much more to Chiang Ching-kuo people don’t appreciate.
@allentchang
@allentchang 3 года назад
I never felt comfortable calling the Southern Min Language as "Taiwanese" because that's analogous to calling Cape Dutch as"Afrikaans." Additionally calling the Hokkien settlers sincey 1600's as "Native Taiwanese" is outright offensive given there is still an aboriginal population of around 500,000. (And calling those those true natives "Gaoshan" is also offensive.)
@kaixiang5390
@kaixiang5390 Год назад
Afrikaans is a unique language not just of Dutch, but also German, French and African languages. Taiwanese is the same. It’s an identity shaped by land, that is the island of Taiwan. After 300 years of your family living somewhere, it’s silly not to consider yourself native
@allentchang
@allentchang Год назад
@@kaixiang5390 So based on your logic, white Americans who can claim ancestry to the US Revolutionary War can be considered Native Americans.
@eruno_
@eruno_ Год назад
Taiwanese language and identity is as strong as ever in Taiwan and no foreigner and mainlander can do anything to suppress it.
@free_boiling4502
@free_boiling4502 6 месяцев назад
​@@allentchang 100 years ago it was not rare to call white Americans who had a few generations of ancestry in the US "native Americans" to differentiate from recent arrivals from Europe, who also often came from different countries than the "native Americans". It's not that long ago that the term was switched over to the current native Americans after "Indians" became unpopular.
@PeterLiuIsBeast
@PeterLiuIsBeast 6 лет назад
7:29 I think you mean June 4th. May 4th is the movement in 1921 partially against the Versaille decision to give Shandong to Japan.
@Bj-yf3im
@Bj-yf3im 6 лет назад
PeterLiuIsBeast May 4th 1919.
@PeterLiuIsBeast
@PeterLiuIsBeast 6 лет назад
BJ19 ws oops you're right. 1 year after ww1.
@cyanfloy2473
@cyanfloy2473 2 года назад
Father:strong dictatorship Son:No more,demoncracy time Kim family:
@RealJohnnyDingo
@RealJohnnyDingo Год назад
😂
@sarcasmo57
@sarcasmo57 3 года назад
I hope the PRC can undergo extensive political reform in such a way. Seems recently they are more fascist than anything else.
@johngalt1927
@johngalt1927 Год назад
The CCP will never allow for plurality like the KMT, it’ll take the fall of the CCP to see a Democratic China. Especially under the trajectory of Xijinping, yes, China is becoming more and more fascistic. Economically and politically fascistic but yet by name “communist.” It’s all authoritarianism and an Orwellian state at the end of the day. I hope one day it falls. 打中共!
@ZyozyoPadilla
@ZyozyoPadilla 2 года назад
Excellent analysis of geopolitical factors!
@thursmornsunlight
@thursmornsunlight 2 года назад
First Nations in Taiwan were purged many times in Taiwan. Would say it happened many times. Portuguese and Dutch Trade. Then Ming(Pretender) and Qing Dynasty invasions. Then Japanese Empire. And finally KMT. But yeah, there are still some first Nations left. A lot of people currently in Taiwan even though they're of Han origin, they have blood ties with first Nations as well. So all good for now but not that great since natives usually live in bad conditions.
@cymbalspecialist
@cymbalspecialist 2 года назад
It's interesting what you stated near the end, that the KMT would step aside and allow the democratic process to take place, therefore putting country before their own ideological power.
@BillHimmel
@BillHimmel 8 месяцев назад
That power is voluntarily rendered is almost too hard to believe!
@miubasho7999
@miubasho7999 4 года назад
The Aboriginals in Taiwan were NOT wiped out!!!! They are still active in Taiwan and nowadays the vast majority of them vote for the KTM.
@lzh4950
@lzh4950 3 года назад
Mandopop singers A-Mei & A-Lin are from aboriginal families too IIRC
@thesecretjuice
@thesecretjuice Год назад
Why do the aboriginals vote for the KMT? I would've thought they would have voted for the DPP given that seems to be the narrative that the party uses to justify independence.
@lordbacon4972
@lordbacon4972 2 года назад
Fascinating. I did not know Taiwan had "aboriginals" (3:30). Where did they come from? They have darker skin and look polynesian. That's ironic that KMT had to keep up with China's "liberalization" and in doing so it eventually led to it's own demise - yet CCP did not share the same fate. I guess it's because CCP's liberalization was and is still very tightly controlled. Also, maybe because Chiang Ching-kuo didn't have anyone that he fully trusted to succeed him?
@RealJohnnyDingo
@RealJohnnyDingo Год назад
I think KMT is far from demise, but they did give up the one party state. I think they deserve some credit for doing the right thing too. there's a lot of aboriginals around, and more than a few "Taiwanese" with some aboriginal mixed in
@garysantos7053
@garysantos7053 Год назад
U.S. Pres. Harry S. Truman 1950 sent the U.S. Seventh Fleet to the Taiwan Strait to prevent an invasion of the island by communist armies from the mainland. The United States decided to send the U.S. Navy’s Seventh Fleet to protect Taiwan from a Communist Chinese invasion and also to prevent the Nationalist government in Taiwan from continuing its attacks on the mainland. This act, introducing the Seventh Fleet into the Chinese theater, is considered the beginning of the U.S. policy to defend Taiwan from China. Since 1950, this commitment to defend Taiwan has been the largest potential cause of a U.S.-China war. Because the U.S. is a superpower and China is rising in strength, the Taiwan flashpoint is now considered to affect not only the U.S.’s national security but the world’s international security as well. This policy, originating with the movement of the U.S. fleet in June 1950, has had significant security ramifications for over six decades. Source: The Seventh Fleet Standoff by Eric P. Swanson
@fortis992
@fortis992 Год назад
I see KMT before democracy very similar to Vietnamese Communist Party. Can Vietnam be Taiwan 2.0 ?
@richardab
@richardab 2 года назад
Fascinating
@QASIMARA
@QASIMARA 3 года назад
You didn't make a strong argument for the KMT being inspired by Leninism.
@alexanderphilip1809
@alexanderphilip1809 Год назад
Chiang Ching Kuo himself favored the Communists during his youth during WW2. He learned the means and necessity of political control from them. Marry that with a neo-mercantalist economic model you get the perfect recipe.
@eruno_
@eruno_ Год назад
It was organised according to Leninist principles initially with support of Soviet advisors.
@laichiwan5964
@laichiwan5964 Год назад
At 1:00, incorrect statement that kmt grew along side with ccp. The fact is that kmt started and developed long before ccp. Doesn't appear to warrant further watching of this post.
@tenzingyaltsen
@tenzingyaltsen 4 года назад
Could I get the sources you used?
@Asianometry
@Asianometry 4 года назад
Sorry this is an old video and I’ve discarded my notes. The Generalissimo’s Son by Taylor is one source I remember using.
@KikomochiMendoza
@KikomochiMendoza 4 года назад
@@Asianometry The Taiwanese photos were cool as well. Just a question, is Chiang Ching-kuo here pictured with his wife and child? 4:55
@alexanderphilip1809
@alexanderphilip1809 Год назад
@@Asianometry It's an interesting book. Only one I could find that talked explicitly about the leadership of KMT that was in English.
@LMB222
@LMB222 3 года назад
7:30 it's June 4th, not mat 4th
@kris8997
@kris8997 11 месяцев назад
7:40!!
@張理-d8d
@張理-d8d Год назад
your comment on Taiwan aboriginals at 3:35 is not correct. Taiwan aboriginals are still very active : 1. Educationally, they have privilege, unlike all the other citizens, to get into higher education institutions. 2. Employment wise, they also have privilege to take the advantage, so called "reserved vacancies" to enter the government as civil servants. 3. they have "reserved members" to be elected as representatives for their own tribes, from county councils to parliament. 4. there even is a ministry in the central government called " Aboriginal Committee ". By the way, I am not a KMT fan, but truth is truth, you should do a better home work.
@damrierinwong3206
@damrierinwong3206 3 года назад
DEMOCRATIC OF SOVEREIGNTY NEVER HAVE IN CHINA
@mr.sunshine1444
@mr.sunshine1444 6 лет назад
Hi
@nekozombie
@nekozombie 3 года назад
hi:)
@elevcraftvi7554
@elevcraftvi7554 3 года назад
Bourgeois "democracy" is not democracy.
@DrSAM69
@DrSAM69 3 года назад
If the elections are not rigged and average people can be candidates and form parties, then it's the literal definition of a democracy, something that socialist countries have historically lacked pretty badly cause they never really wanted to give "power to the people" but rather steal power from any other influential figure or organization and put it all in the hands of the one party state elite leaving the citizens with very little power to express themselves and participate in change, let alone starting a private business and make good money.
@mikicerise6250
@mikicerise6250 2 года назад
It's certainly more democratic than the PRC is communist. 😂
@alexanderphilip1809
@alexanderphilip1809 Год назад
Cope.
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