How Did Honda's Reliability Die? 

This man speaks the truth. That's why I bought a low mileage, used 2020 Civic with a 2.0 liter, naturally aspirated, port injected engine and six speed manual transmission. It's a really good car.

I'm a retired mechanic. I always bought honda because of reliability. The 1.5 in 2017 to 2019 is terrible in cold winter condtions. No heat and oil dilution. Honda use to stand behind their product. The 2.4 was an amazing engine. After 30 years of being a loyal customer. I will speak with my wallet.

Like Scotty Kilmer always explain: Buy Toyota, Lexus, Mazda, Honda but don t pick up CVT transmission and small turbo engines.

As a mechanic and owner of Honda , Acura, Lexus and Mazda, I agree with everything he is saying no BS and good advice.. Honda has had to many problems for the last 10 years to say they are still #1 or 2.. but all new cars are made less reliable with way more problems..

Ever since Mazda went back to building their own transmissions the quality has been fantastic.

Thanks Mazda for sticking to the still reliable and time-tested auto and stickshift! 😃

Some thoughts on the 1.5L turbo, which I consider Honda’s most pressing problem. A DIY’er with the 1.5 had his oil analyzed after a 5000 mi oil chance using 87 octane gas, and found a 6% gasoline dilution … which is a lot. He then repeated the experiment using 93 octane, and found a 1.2% dilution. The surmise is that the turbo is creating so much pressure that pre detonation is occurring, which is forcing more gasoline through the piston rings. This is also a possible reason for the premature head gasket failures that seem to be turning up. So the general advice for maximizing the life of this engine seems to be to use 93 octane, 3000 mile oil changes, stay off the turbo for “recreation”, and let the car idle for a minute or two to allow the turbo to cool and re-lubricate before shutting it off. This assumes you own a 1.5. If you don’t and are really looking for long life and reliability, don’t buy one.

I have an old Accord 2006 that went over 500k, half a million kilometers and still going strong. The 2.4 reliability is legendary.

The Honda dealerships are rude and try to nickel and dime you to death recommending unnecessary repairs.

I sold and managed at Honda. There's truth in every thing you said, but there are a couple of points l would like to add. Honda's CVT's have fewer issues than most of the others. But in our shop meetings, our mechanics advised that CVT owners should do this every 30k miles...change the transmission fluid: Simply drain the old fluid. Measure that fluid. Replace it with with the exact same amount of new fluid. New fluid MUST be "Honda Specific" fluid that you buy over the counter at Honda. The other recurring issue of almost all Hondas for 20 years now are A/C condenser issues. I've had a '95 CR-V and 2020 Hatchback (Swinton, GB plant) blow a compressor at 60k and a 2020 Hatch at 30k miles. The Hatch now has 80,000+ miles without any more problems. They have offered a 10 yr warranty on any vehicle with that issue. My 2020 Civic Coupe (Alliston, Canada) has been a 100% perfect car for 65,000 miles. Both cars have had no driveline issues whatsoever. I stand by Honda because they address serious problems and mitigate most quickly with a "fix" or a solid extended warranty, as opposed to arguments with the Service Manager. One thing about the Fuel/Oil Mixing issue. This came to light after the realization that Direct Injection pressurized the fuel so strongly that apparently, in cold weather, some seepage happens. The colder the climate, the more common the issue. Now, l believe our friend Mark lives in Edmonton, Canada, which the rest of Canada sees as a suburb of the North Pole, so this can be a serious concern for them on frigid cold mornings with multiple stops without warming up the engine. It especially bad if Mark has to get out his dog sled team! (I live in White Rock, Canada. We have Palm & Banana Trees 😂)

I love my 17 ILX. K24 with a dual clutch 8 speed. No timing belt, no turbo, still cranks a decent 200 hp. Yes, it's a gen 9-based civic. And it totally avoids all the recent recalls. People said this car was outdated, of course, but it's a reliable Honda.

very fair assessment....I"m a Honda/Acura guy......Mazda is gaining my support now.

Hi As a retired master motor mechanic / car dealer and my family drive Honda Vehicles for more years than I can remember. It’s probably a bit different in the USA manufacture vehicles and colder winters that we are used to here in Australia, we don’t have the oil diluting due to over fuelling especially on freezing cold start conditions so it’s not been a problem here. Also most of our Hondas are either manufactured in Japan or their Thailand factory. I have always recommend changing engine oil/filter more regularly than the manufacturer requirements it’s the best thing you can do for any engine especially one thats not driven long continuous distance where the engine can get up to working temperatures. I was told that as a young apprentice from my senior mechanics I never forgot it as well as many other things. Like all mechanical things they have to service and looked after properly and also driven accordingly, I said for years don’t rev the engine when you first start especially in the morning turn the start and let it idle for a minute or two switch in the radio adjust the heating etc. On turbo engines when coming to switch off the engine just wait one to two mins before switching off the start Key/ Button let the turbo spool down a little with the engine oil still circulating. Anyway I still think Honda makes great cars and especially engines but need a little more maintenance. Only my opinion as I said 50 years in the motor trade. Cheers Keep Up The Great Work. 😊

I can proudly say we have a 2004 CRV (2.4l standard engine in CRVs), and it has 310,000 miles on it with hardly any problems. Recently, the alternator had to be replaced.

2018 w/R series motor & CVT. Bought with 50k, put 70k on it doing rideshare, now it gets me to and from work daily. I've had zero problems outside of changing fluids. 100% the most reliable car I've ever owned. Protip: buy at the END of a model cycle...not the begining.

Let me start this with I still have my first Honda CRV 2002, 198,000 miles with the 2.4L engine. Had a 2012 Pilot after that and that became problematic after its 4th year. I traded that in on December 2016 for a 2017 CRV with the 1.5L turbo engine. With this car , I won the lottery. The oil / gas delusion problem started within a month or so. Oil levels on the dip stick would get higher & higher. I complained to Honda USA and they extended my warranty to 6 years or 100,000 miles, whatever came first. Found out later, before this redesigned model came to the states that there was an issue with 350,000 CRV’s in Asia & Europe. So having this issue they brought it to the US. Within a few months there was a recall about this issue but the damage was done. In 2022, with 48,000 miles and 6 1/2 years old I was having Head gasket problems. Honda broke my heart. I traded up to a Lexus.

My last Honda was a 2008 Accord, it has so many problems that I sold it , I bought a 13 Camry XLE and ain’t going back to Honda anymore 😏

I work for Honda, and have firsthand experience working on these vehicles in the great white north. The issues I have with them are not what was listed here which I find mildly suprising. The fuel dilution has not been much cause for concern. Have hardly seen any with catastrophic engine failure that wasn't a result born of extreme neglect. Perhaps we will see further down the line as they age the consequences of excess fuel build up. The problems I have with the 1.5T engine are the injectors that seem to fail at or around 80,000km. (The vehicles running higher octane fuels tend to delay that a bit more.) and the rear main/Transmission input shaft seal leaks have been a source of frustration for awhile now. Unrelated to the 1.5T the AC condensers on 10th Gen civics seem to be as fragile as glass, and frustrating to say the least to deal with. Every 2 years I've had to replace my condenser. (Fortunately under warranty.) HVAC is definetely not a strong point for Honda. I do agree with the quality going downhill, but mostly from a parts quality perspective. These constant recalls are proof of that. But to me the overall design is solid, and I'd argue they've proven less costly to own than vehicles in the past (Especially V6's, including the recalled ones.) Remember it was not long ago (2011-2017) when they had Piston ring land issues, and that resulted in the engines getting torn down. Not to mention they had oil leaks everywhere, that prompted Timing belt replacements constantly, and caused breakdowns. (Oil pump seal leaks, Power steering pumps leaking into the timing belt, weak hydraulic timing belt tensioners, Spool valves that leaked oil into the alternators causing break downs, ect.) New generation of vehicles, new problems. I think they're doing the best they can, given how they're forced to implement all this new technology in the last 10 years to meet emissions standards, and compete with other brands by implementing annoying infotainment, and crash avoidance systems which make cars in general more annoying to own and service as they age.

I've been a Honda fanboy since 1988. Like, HARDCORE fanboy. I still own a 1991 Honda Civic, which I will forever praise as the greatest car ever developed, at ANY price point. That said, as much as I WANTED to love the new Hondas, I just can't. Modern Honda has lost their way. =(

I drive a 2017 Honda Pilot Touring with 270,000km. I just had the compression tested and my mechanic told me that I’ve only lost about 1% compression. I only use AMSOIL and their filters. I also use AT 205 to keep the oil seals fresh. Love your channel. 👍

I was Honda person until couple years ago ,unfortunately this company has gone completely south ,in last few years ,lost me ,unfortunately no more Honda for me

Unfortunately industry wide quality seems to be sliding. It doesn’t take much searching to find complaint after complaint about the new Tundra either, everything from blown motors to interior squeaks and rattles. Lots of new models coming out which will take some time to iron the kinks out. But vehicles also continue to get more and more complex while manufacturers look for ways to make every component cheaper to pinch pennies. The end result is a less reliable product for the consumer.

The use of turbo's is two edged sword as well. Kia told me to stick to a naturally aspired engine if I wanted to keep the car like 10 years. The service manager said the turbo's drive fantastic but they will fail except in rare cases where an owner drives to make them last longer - but 95% are abused as the turbo is enjoyable.

Excellent video. And I agree 100% with what's being said. Former owner of a 2021 Honda CRV and glad it's gone with only 30,640K miles. No engine or transmission problems within 30.7 miles. The HVAC compressor broke and was replaced under warranty. In a few months, a/c broke again, another warranty issue and was fixed. After the second issue, I asked the lead dealer technician about my problem, and in one on one conversation I was told "There is no guaranty this will fix your problem". Second HVAC warranty issue would've cost $4000.00 for those out of warranty. Research problems with Honda HVAC problems, and you'll see thousands of complaints that go back a long way.

My CRV 23’ hybrid is currently in the shop due to the steering failing. It’s supposed to be a common issue in some of the newer Civics and HRVs. Parts won’t be available until April. Currently on the ridgeline 23. I do love the driving experience but don’t know about their reliability now. Wife has a 18 Accord with a 1.5L. So far so good, but worried about the head gasket blowing up.

Lots Of My Neighbors Have 15yr Old Hondas, Very Reliable. The Late Model Hondas Definitely Need To Step Up Their Quality Assurance's Game !! 🙏

Thank you for the info, Mark! Great to see you and there’s no snow! See you in the next vid!

Trans cooler. Before problems start. Will help immensely. Low tension, thin rings. We're never intended for street use. Many engines have problems because of their use. 😊

switching to cvt's is bad news the tech is not mature yet !!!

I can tell you, as a technician for 20 years, honda's have very little issues with CVT transmissions. And by the way, they do have a torque converter except the early hybrid ones. Compared to other manufacturers, Honda CVTs are way better in terms of reliability and driveability. Also, Toyota cvts designs is a planetary setup where the sun gear is driven by an electric motor, so no belts or pulleys. You think an Atv drive system is similar to an automotive one? Sorry but you are totally ignorant when it comes to drivetrains. If there's one company that has unreliable CVTs, it's Nissan. All manufacturers will have recalls, A responsible manufacturer will address and fix issues. Honda is one of the better ones when it comes to that.

Still have my 2013 Fit. Love it. Automatic transmission. Built in Suzuki, Japan. My Fit is why I added a Ridgeline to the garage. Could not part with my bulletproof Fit. Seems like every manufacturer has poor reliability now.

Unfortunately the title question of this video was never answered. Not sure how accurate this statement is, but I had read "At one time this company was run by engineers, now it's run by accountants". That would explain engineering development issues not being addressed before being moved to full production. Now their problems are so vast, recalls could place them into bankruptcy. Sad for a company that at one time had such a strong reputation.

These Japanese vehicles are made in Canada and the United States. Is that a factor in reliability versus a made in Japan vehicle?

Thank you so much for this information. Your videos are great and I’d miss them (and you) if you stopped making them. 😉

Have a 23 civic touring 1.5 cvt. Tons of fun to drive. Planning on cvt filter, gasket swap, fluid dump and fill, not flush every 30k service. How do you feel about that, and do you have anymore advise for maximizing the longevity of my honda cvt?

I had a 90 Acura Legend L with a tried and true V6, I sold it about 4 years ago. It was a great car and the company in the 90's did care about customer service. I purchased a 2019 RDX A Spec what a mistake, Black display on a trip could not use the 40 K car had to rely on my 200 phone. Corp Customer service and dealerships are very unprofessional. Got it fixed 4 times, on the 3 time it sat in my garage for 2 months went to crank the RDX and it just appeared. Well I would never buy another Honda product because from the Corp down to the dealerships are really piss poor. Also who in there right mind would drive a RDX SUV like a NSX or a Type R that is what they are after in advertising not in quality. I know Lexus Corp is great because I also own a mint 92 LS 400 and I needed help from Lexus Corp in the past they are fantastic. At lease to me and my experience. In all rights Lexus owned me nothing for a car that was over 30 years old but they stepped up to the plate and assisted me in a very professional way and it was astonishing. Now I just got a CPO 2022 RX350 great car everything so far works like it should. Dealership and Lexus support outstanding.

I have a 2018 Honda civic LX non turbo and I consider this car the best car I’ve ever owned. 74k miles and still factory brakes. I’m very religious on maintenance and always do it ahead of what Honda recommends. I also drive extremely conservatively to make it last

I bought few months ago a manual Honda civic comfort 1.0 turbo 129 HP 3 cylinder. Couldn't find so much information about the small engine, what is your opinion? I do not live in a cold environment. However, I do drive short distance to work every day. Oil dilution could be a problem?

Nice review as always. What can you say about 2024 Kia telluride reliability. Hope you do a video on this thanks, your videos are very informative 👍

My son has a 2021 turbo 1.5 manual. It's been very reliable so far. 69000 kl. The heater isn't the greatest as they use a 180 f Degree thermostat in them. Most others use a 195 f. He is very aware of the oil dilution problem, but has not been a problem so far. He has the oil changed frequently.

Again. CONSUMER REPORTS 2023 DEC 2023 Lexus and Toyota took the top spots for brand reliability this year, followed by Mini, Acura, Honda, and Subaru.Dec 5, 2023

That V6 engine from Honda is the reason why I switched to Toyota.

I'm a retired Honda service technican with over 40 years experience and I will say that the modern technology is being "built"with issues based on cost cutting. Take rack and pinion electric power steering as an example. Most steering racks are now made with the motor built within the main rack housing as one unit and it's non serviceable. Where as before, the DC motor sat on the pinion assembly and was replaceable. It's all about cutting costs to save money at the customers expense. A traditional hydraulic rack and pinion system however has more parts and all of its seals, o-rings etc as well as most of its parts are available separately. So you know with this, it's cheaper to service and replace individual items than buying a whole assembly. Consider this scenario and you quickly get to realize where the bean counters have been working on the vehicle to cut costs at their end.

I am an original owner of a 1997 Honda Del Sol Si . It is a wonder car. It has 221,000 miles. I will keep this car forever!

My 8th Gen Honda Civic, 1.8 R18 is an absolute tank. 230,000 miles. Runs amazing

Excellent video Well researched Thanks

Spot on again Mark. I hate the CVTs. I hate the smaller engines with the turbos.

No CVT and no turbo is why I bought the RAV4 instead of the CRV back in 2022.

With all the government restrictions the consumer pays twice: first with the new tech and then again with the untested, unreliable changes to something that was bulletproof.

Mark Great update 💪🏻 thank you 🇨🇦

Thanks for this great detailed content.

Well Honda has had a reputation with experimentation so it’s caused some reliability issues when they try to do something drastically different so I can only wonder how the EV requirement is going to be for them

Yes i will agree the oil diluation turned out to be a bigger issue than honda expected big hicup for Honda over all honda has to move back up after that small fall

Which 2 SUV’s do you recommend that are like rav4 , CRV?

I have owned 3 Pilots that I bought new. Now I have a 2021 Passport also with the 3.5 engine. Every one of them were fast for a SUV and never had a problem with any of them. Also owned 3 Ford Explore with a V8 and they were all pretty good too. There isn’t a car manufacturer out there that doesn’t have problems with one thing or another.

21’ CRV and zero issues…oh and it’s got 177,xxx miles on it. I have replaced tires 4 times. I also change my oil every 3500 miles or every 6 weeks at the rate I drive. New car oil change intervals are in my opinion, wayyyyy too long. Honda, Toyota, all of them. Way too long. Change your oil and your engine will last.

Well,,,I'll stick to my mazda😊 At least with its regular automatic gearbox and 2.5 na engine very good gas milage..nothing to complain about. Great video Mark thanks 👍

Glad to c u back bro

Owner of 2 late model hondas 2012 crosstour with k24 4 cylinder 2006 odyssey v6 Both are super reliable to me so far. Seems honda has slipped with the newer generation cars

367K miles on my 11 Honda Fit.... no problems

Have to agree with you, I recently bought Honda Pilot 2018 EX and can tell you it does have some flaws, for a car with this price tag it shouldn't have transmission issues, bad audio on radio and is not quiet while driving the highway or stumping on car bumps. Also the v6 engine issues as you mentioned is concerning, fuel pump as well.

Please help me! Have this Honda Integra LS Coupe 1995. I want to get rid of it, but I decided to put some money in it for the old times' sake and keep running. Am I being a fool? What value could there be in this? Am I crazy? Thanks for the thought.

What do you think.of the 2.0 ltr turbo? 2018-2022 ?

Turbos and CVTs. Honda and all of the other companies are seeing that it’s not feasible for reliability. CVT is a sealed unit that cannot have the parts serviced. You can only change the fluid which for CVT is recommended every 30k to limit the damage that is inevitable. The ONLY reliable CVT is Toyotas which is manufactured by asin and Toyota is the ONLY company that uses that manufacturer. Subaru and Nissan use Jatco.

Would be interesting to look at this from an organizational view. Influence of MBAs over engineers taking place similar to the Big 3 problem since the 1980s?

I upgraded my 2016 Mdx to 2019 Mdx. The tranny on the 16 was glitchy and the 19 was smoother . The recalls make me nervous bc they are major Rod bearings- Fuel pump and idle stop start. They don’t have a correction for the first two as of yet. Be careful!

i just got a 24 civic ex-l jatchback with the 1.5 turbo. apparently there is a lawsuit going on on models like 2023 and before, i assume they fixed any issues with the oil now right??

I’m lucky enough to the a 2018 TLX with the 3.5 V6. Never thought this could happen with a Honda product.

I'm 54, Toyota and mainly Honda fan since the mid 80s. The late 80s through the 90s were Hondas Golden years. I'm so disappointed the last 20 years or so. My dream vehicles are a pristine mid 90s Legend and Civic.

Have a 22 civic and has a sticking steering wheel. Honda is being sued and also being investigated. Happening now also on new CRV and Acura Integra models.

Can the injectors or the car be set up so it injects less gas into the cylinder can a hotter, spark plug be installed to burn the gas so it doesn’t go down through the rings

Honda reliability is still there. That being said service requirements have got to change with the new tech being used, but its not people are trying to service these new engines the way they have for decades and you cannot do it. You can't do 10k mile oil changes you got to go back to every 3k miles because High Pressure fuel pumps all brands have problems pushing fuel past the rings into the engine oil. For those that have short commutes its more important as you do not drive enough miles to burn off the excess fuel that gets in the oil. On any turbo engine I would not go past 3k miles without an oil change. Same for CVT you cannot drive them 45-50k miles before service you have to service them every 25k-30k miles if you want them to last 200k or more. They are not going back to the older reliable engines because they cannot go back they have to meet government emissions standards. Even Toyota has going Turbo charged and have already showed signs of new issues. If you can find a non-turbo engine go that route its better. You might get away with oil changes every 5k miles if you have a long commute, but short mile city driving you had better drop down to every 3k miles to avoid oil dilution issues.

The world is going mad, Toyota and Honda reliability is going down 🤷😂 Dont know why ...are the CEO's being paid millions of dollars to burn down the car industry

CVTs are the wave of today and the future. Note, not all waves are good! Moreover, planned obsolescence is strong with EVERYTHING that we buy. When was the last time that you saw a TV repairman? We’re on the losing end of this stuff.

I own a 2000 Honda Civic EX 1.6 BA16 SOHC VTEC engine with 68,000 miles (original owner and miles). Only thing I had to replace in 24 years timespan: were brakes, a radiator and hose, trans oil replacement, and new exhaust. The front passenger quarter panel is the only part of that car is rusted. The car RUNS perfect, fast and fun. Never had a recall or major issues. Reliable to the max. Wish late model were this solid❤

I love my 2015 Honda cross tour with the 2.4 L. Great little commuter has enough space to hold my supplies for work. Excellent fuel and I know it’s gonna start up each and every time. :)

My 2014 Civic with 180k on its Cvt. 1.8.liter engine. No issues. One of the best car year ever for a Civic.

Great video. Very helpful. Regarding the Honda Civic Si 2017 and up with the 1.5L and turbo, can’t you just do more frequent oil changes to mitigate the oil fuel dilution?

I have 08 honda civic with 200k miles and still going . Why change what was working well before .

2007 after 5 years had to replace the ac compressor/ CRV .2017 HRV just replaced the ac compressor. By the way the 07 CRV does eat brakes like crazy but now has 185,000 miles on it barely a squeak

in 2019 I purchased clarity and I got 150 thousands miles have no problem and I 2022 I purchased the accord sport 1.5 with no problem .

Are the new Civic Manual Transmission cars with the standard 2.0 naturally aspirated engines still reliable?

What is your data set that shows these Tubo I4 cost more in repairs the the V6??

Now the question is why car manufacturers switching to makkng disposable vehicles. Could it be that, they realized that folks keep their vehicles for a long time and they're not selling as many new vehicles = not profitable $ . Got an 04 Rav4 with 315k miles. Looks like the days you buy a reliable car without recalls or premature Transmission failer. Plus the MSRP so inflated high markups. Especially in California.

I would never buy anything but Toyota or Lexus. Even If I was a millionaire.

Honda reliability has really been an issue for many decades with engine issues to transmissions going out early.

you know your stuff man , What do you think of the 2024 Nissan Frontier pro4x?

Nor only was Honda "Reliable" but they wer always "Affordable " cars to purchase. All that has gone out the window. Prices through the roof and Reliability in the toilet. The New honda accord is almost 2X what the same car cost 10yrs ago.. thats INSANE

Bought an Accord Coupe '12 2.4L manual transmission brand new, still have it, and zero problems (airbag recall once, that's it, and it was done free). I don't plan to ever sell it.

I own honda civic 2006 hatchback, with 2,2 icdti, what’s your thoughts about that?

CVT owners (I am one) need to remember that scheduled maintenance on a CVT is critical to them lasting. Many people will skip CVT fluid changes because is costs a couple of hundred bucks, and then down the road the CVT develops issues which wouldn't have happened with fluid changes. When the CVT develops issues it's too late.

Mazda ⭐

Honda needs to steer clear of turbos if they want to remain reliable

What do you think about crv 1.6 diesel with ZF automatic transmission.

I have a 2017 Civic Sedan 1.5T with a manual 6 sp., I sent a sample of oil to Blackstone Labs and they didn't find an abnormally high amount of gas in my oil. I'll send another sample in to them in April. I'm driving a gear lower than normal at all times and shift at higher revs. So I keep my combustion temp up, which in turn gets my cylinder head temp up and therefore all the oil all over hotter and I feel I'm burning up the extra oil more than most folks. I am almost never running in 6th gear during winter time driving on the highway because the 6 sp. gearbox for Civics has super tall gears. My Honda Fit runs about 3400 RPM at 70 or so mph in 6th gear. Yet my Civic seems to be like at idle at 70 in 6th gear!! It's only about 2700 RPM!! So I drive in 5th instead, giving me about the same RPM in 5th as my Fit would be in 6th. The engine runs smooth and is no noisier in 5th rather that 6th. For cold engine starts, what I do is to only warm it up for 40 seconds and then drive off, keeping the revs lower at first for the sake of the turbocharger but soon I'm keeping it above 3000 RPM and therefore warming it up under load much faster than letting it warm up still parked. I also don't turn on the heat at all to keep the water from running through the heater core at first. This also helps with a faster warm up. It's is important not to drive off too briskly in cold weather with a cold engine when you have a turbo. Turbos needs hot oil. So I have to balance that a little with my efforts to warm up the engine more quickly. But with the modern very thin viscosity oils, it's not as big a deal as you might think. I just make sure I don't drive it hard enough on a cold engine to go into turbo boost. Boosting the turbo with the oil not up to temp is not good for it. But really with modern cars running 0-20 weight oil, warming them up forever before you drive off is not necessary any more. But yet folks still do it. With my car it would do far more harm than good and allow far more it to blow past the rings into my crankcase. Gotta go for a fast warmup.

I have a 2011 Pilot with 167K and a 2014 CRV witn 112K...I think I better keep them running as long as possible....no problems with either so far...only basic routine maintenance thankfully

Ironically I've gone through 3 used Hondas in the 9 years since I bought my Nissan Altima new. 1 with transmission issues and 2 with engine issues. I've stayed on top of my Nissan maintenance and it's been rock solid. After being a Hondaguy for years I moved To Mazda a year and a half ago. We love it. I'm looking at Toyota next. Honda has flown the coop

The CVTs in Toyota hybrids have ZERO belts and ZERO pulleys. They are called eCVTs. The use a planetary gearset with 3 inputs and one output. The 3 inputs are MG1, MG2, and the engine (which only runs as needed), MG2 is connected directly to the wheels (through a differential). MG1 controls the gear ratio, recharges the battery and starts the engine when needed. In the case of the Gen 4 Prime, MG1 also helps move the car in EV mode, but returns to normal in hybrid mode. The mechanical CVTs you refer to came to us from Subauru who got the idea from DAF. DAF used pairs of cones too, but with rubber belts. Tiny cars with tiny engines, My self propelled lawnmower works like that, with a hand control varrying two pairs of cones ro control the walking speed. Subaru added a metal belt to this. Some non-hybrid Toyotas also use this. If you hear CVT, look foe eCVT or HSD (Hybrid Synergy Drive) before you get you hackles up. No belts or pulleys!

My 2020 Civic with L15B7 and CVT has over 270K on the odometer and is still running strong with no issues at all. How's that for Honda reliability?

I’ve always liked the N/A Hondas. Adding turbos and direct injection will for surely lower the longevity of the engines.