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The Underworld Saga AND the premiere of the new series with Casper have been recorded in advance because of my out-of-country travel plans in June, which means BOTH are already available over on our Patreons! No Longer You, as well as the First Two songs of Hamilton, available on my Patreon - www.patreon.com/collection/572718?view=expanded The Underworld + Monster, as well as "Aaron Burr, Sir", available on Casper's Patreon - www.patreon.com/collection/562639?view=expanded And, don't miss out on the new Pride merch! Limited time Pride Flag variants AND a limited time 6% off discount (Code PRIDE6 at checkout) are only available for the month of June!! tinyurl.com/Mortius-Merch

Oh! I do have a reason why Crice looks like Poseidon when she gets all blue. At start I just wanted Ody to be traumatized again but its also a reference to Poseidon being also underworld god (at least during the bronze age or older versions) and she is singing about the underworld. So its like a big pot of connections I guess! However! Becasue Poseidon was a god of the underworld, that means Wet Hades is an accurate title! Lovley reaction guys! 💙💙

As far as Circe’s heel turn… “everyone’s true colors are revealed in acts of lust” She wasn’t wrong, Odysseus’ true character was revealed when he refused her advances and talked about how much he loves his wife

I like to think Athena was once again the piano. One loud piano slam of her going, "wait what!?!" of Athena being genuinely shocked. Also shock and worry because i don't think Athena can follow or see into the underworld.

Fun detail. The hair tie that Circe uses belonged to the Nymph that she ...*cough* "lost" to the Men who came last time. Circe keeping that as a memento is very sad and sweet; but the fact that she then uses it to turn Odysseus's men back is amazing. AnniFlamma is an genius storyteller!

Oh, Casper... Penelope is at her loom for ENTIRELY different reasons (Odyssey spoilers lol)

I cant keep saying this again and again to others in the comments, there is a power imbalance between him and the Gods, he is faithful, he is more of a victim because Hermes tells him to sleep with her if he wants to save his men and since a God told him to, he cant say no even if he wants. He stays for as year because he faced so much death and finally found some peace. The story of his other child is not by Homer so take it with a grain of salt but even if he does have a child, he is literally a victim and we need to treat him as such

Yes, Mortius. She was trying to stab him. She was never going to actually do the deed. She was just using that to lure him in

The way I cackled at Hamilton could never

I still think it’s so funny that the promotional recreation Jay did for this saga got flagged because they were using a plastic fork apparently being to violent 😂

"Want to save your men from the fire? Show me that you're willing to burn." Because of the form his men are in, every time I hear that line, all I can think of is bacon.

Fun fact, Circe turned back the men into a taller , younger, and more handsome version of themselves. And during the year they spent there, only Elpenor died because he was too drunk and mistook a roof for stairs ( it gave his name to the Elpenor's syndrome )

I've read a comment before that explained that the reason she has a connection to the sun and mermaids/sirens is bc she's the daughter of a sea nymph and the sun god, but i'm not a 100% sure

I bet Circe and Polites would have gotten along. For as much as this story is about ruthlessness being mercy on oneself, inevitably turning ones back to opening your arms to the world. In this moment opening ones arms and being vulnerable actually helped. Her line "Maybe showing one act of kindness, leads to kinder souls down the road." was absolutely the kind of world Polites wanted to see. That line gives a tiny little hint that maybe it could be possible if everyone just tried to be more kind. Sadly we know that's not meant to be in the end, but just goes to show how special Polites actually was, And how little that world deserved him.

I am now proud to say im now suffering from bi panic

I'm dissapointed her knife wasn't a fork

Circe taking that wrist-tie, that likely belonged to the nymph who perished during the previous encounter with men and turning it into a hair-tie represents Circe putting aside her trust issues and trauma to help Odysseus after seeing that she could trust him.

The baby pig was probably a younger member of the crew. People think it's Elpenor, a character that had a feature part in a song in the Underworld saga but was cut, since in the og story I think he was the youngest member of the crew.

Finally, someone appreciates the Vocal FLEX Circe throws at us as much as I do! FAVORITE moment of the whole musical so far is that rising note she belts out, phenomenal singer!

The classic case of being away from...*cough* "action" with a loved one almost causing cheating. Always some good but often overlooked plotpoint, with how strained it makes some people.

Odysseus and Circe are the Odyssey version, Jorge and Talya are in the alternate version of how this plays out, the Theogany 😂

Im pretty sure in this song circr is using magic and not just using charisma i think this because her eyes become yellow and glowing with what seems like magic

She didn't turn you into a pig, Casper. She merely revealed your true form. Also one of the behind the scenes recording with the two lovebirds, Talya is wearing a "Circe ❤ Odysseus" t-shirt.

my theory as for why he says 12 years instead of 10 years, is because, since the start of the story, while it's half an hour to us, all that time at sea may have been 2 years for him

I really like that you picked up on the loom sorta being a symbol of Penelope's power, because that's absolutely spot-on for reasons that I can't explain because spoilers.

"Alexander Hamilton could never" LITERALLYYY OMGG FIRST THING I THOUGHT OF

It's interesting that Casper brings up how this song could have been a waltz, but isn't, as the example for the dynamic between Circe and Odysseus being a dance. Because this song IS a dance, it's just not waltz but tango! The dance of passion! In the start of 'Done For' the rhytm the cello plays out is one of the most common beat patterns used in tango, and the heartbeat-like thumping percussion follows another common variant of it! Linking Odysseus' "I don't follow" -line to dancing terminology is really interesting in lieu of that actually, since during his parts in 'Done For' the tango rhythm disappears and is replaced by his electric guitar motif from the very start of the musical in the wooden horse when he was unquestionably LEADING. It's only up until she calls his bluff over the Moly, though, at which point the tango beat returns. And that rhythm and beat continues here in 'There Are Other Ways', the double bass maintaining it layered over the cellos. In fact, if you go back to Puppeteer, the tango thythm is there too, as soon as Circe's powers are present and active! Essentially, the rhytm is there whenever Circe is "leading", using her magic and ensnaring others. It's telling that it's overlayed more subtly here, and keeps actually slowly growing CLEARER up until the point Odysseus manages to deny Circe. And IT DOESN'T COME BACK even during her response until we get to the chorus-like structure where she starts actively working her magic to undo her curse on the men and aid Odysseus, and then gives quickly way to a more moden pop music -like drum beat. So yeah. It's tango. Circe does the tango. And if you haven't guessed already, I like tango :D

Mortius Circe's voice is called Talya Sindel 😭

Lol at the 'say nothing'. Mason is great

"This is the price we pay to love..." is actually sung in Puppeteer during Circe's second verse. The first verse "is to live", so it is reprising (is this the fight word) the lyric.

when he says 12 long years i just thought those two extra years were the years at sea from all his fighting sea travel takes a long time

14:30 when you mentioned Penelope threading the loom, I thought of her playing Odysseus’s guitar strings. 😅 As in because he says she is all his power. Sorry if that came out weird.

Every time I get to this song, all I could think of was that one Hamilton song- 11:45 THANK U FOR SAYING WHAT WAS ON MY MIND THE FIRST TIME I LISTENED TO THIS SONG!

I hate what my brain just did. That sudden drop with the piano when Circe said the prophet was dead reminded me of that very sudden turn in "Survive" where the entire like tone just dropped with the first hit of Polyphemus' club. That's what that drop reminded me of, and I hate my brain now.

In this song, "I'm just a man" is the equivalent of "Lord, show me how to say no to this." from "Say No To This" from Hamilton. 😆

When you react to "No Longer You" you HAVE to react to Ximena Natzel animatic. PLESE ITS THE BEST EPIC ANIMATIC I HAVE SEEN

Ah! Oddyseus Guitar is Gone! That was it. I knew the power Dynamic changed and it felt intimidating specially how Oddyseus started Singing in Circe's tune making me understand she was controlling him, it felt like Circe saying "There is Not Puppet Here" was more of her trying to make oddyseus Believe he was choosing to fall for her, when not. And the Guitar gone just confirmed that for me, because it means his autonomy was nowhere to be Seen/Hear In Wouldn't You Like, Hermes told Oddyseus "It will work until you beaten your opponent" so when He finally defeated her, "You Lost", the Molly effect wore off leaving Oddyseus vulnerable to Circe's Spell. But how this version is, in some aspects, nicer than the classic the power of Love is stronger than a God 😂

"Witch hades seduses casper fox"

Still gotta remind you, it's Talya, not Tanya lol

12:38 In puppeteer the first time she says this is the price we pay to live and the second time it switches to love so it didn’t just switch for this song

16:21 not Casper going boo hoo womp womp 😂😂😂

Oh man, I think all of the gods are already cast. Jorge just haven't revealed them yet

I like her putting up her hair so you can see her ear-fins. Its like she's not being deceptive or hiding anything, shes showing herself, without being threatening ❤

No no no, the Poseidon reference is definitely intentional, Circe is also a type of sea goddess😅😅

16:25 You are angry at Odysseus because he is afraid for himself and his men? I'll give you something to think about, when Odysseus and his fleet were going back home their food supplies were depleted, and 600 crew members eat a lot of food on a long journey, and when they reached the first island Odysseus made just one mistake that started the chain of death, and that is that he took Polites with him, because if he had taken Eurylochus or anyone else, maybe they wouldn't have find the Cyclops cave, and would find food elsewhere, or they would have been much more careful and scouted the cave to see if it was safe, before they would call more crew members, while Polites thought the cave was "SAFE" because he asked nicely for directions, thinking that since he was nice with the lotus eaters everything would be fine, that is why I say if Eurylochus or anyone else went with Odysseus instead of Polites, there wouldn't be any problems (or they would be minimalistic) nor would Athena leave Odysseus, because Polites unintentionally created a conflict in Odysseus with Athena. OK I understand that Odysseus was depressed because of the baby he had to kill, since the gods didn't give him a choice, but he was still "The Leader", and Polites wanting to help his frend only made things worse, because Odysseus started to have a problem in himself not knowing anymore when mercy is the right decision, and it is because he is fed up with death and wants to avoid killing after the war, but he still has his duties as "The Leader", and his friend tells him to "relax" which is the worst thing you can tell as advice to your "Leader" in unknown territory, but since they are childhood friends Odysseus takes his friend's advice to heart, causing him to lose focus, and start making mistakes like never before, which leads to the conflict with Athena. Everyone would have already be home if someone else had gone with Odysseus instead of Polites.

CASPER & MORTIUS THIS IS ACT 2 SPOILER SCOOT !! are they gone? okay. casper picking up athena's piano is so cool considering what will happen during Hera's verse in God Games lol

Fun Fact: The loom is really important in Penelope's story and I am so glad that was included :D Awesome little detail

I’ve assumed that Circe purposely turned the pig into a baby pig for the little nymph. I just think that’s adorable.

4:20 most chaotic intro yet omgg 😂😂

LETS GO MY FIRST PREMIER Edit: wow this is the most likes I’ve ever gotten :O

Fun fact the disco theme we hear when circe says " I remember actions of pation" is because hermes and her had a relationship before.

i did NOt expected "Voldemort core" mentioning in this video 😭😭😭😭

Hiya Mortius. It's maybe a little too late to ask this considering you probably have recorded most videos for June already, but it would be cool if you reacted to "the tale of the lesbian hunter" by Vinny Marchi. There is an animatic but it doesn't have captions, but the video from his channel has, so I recommend that video.

I can't wait till this premieres been looking forward to it all day!

7:37 casper's torso mixing into Circe's torso is just- I can't, i can't it's too hilarious

He said that he wished Jorge went with a waltz like melody, but the dance that I tend to associate to the song with is tango and I think it fits better with the seduction and lustful aspect of it

Is no one gonna mention the fact that he fell under her spell, and that is why she almost killed him? It's the same lyrics from when his men fell under her spell.

I have a small theory; that baby pig is Elpenor. A man from Odysseus' crew, and was somewhat confirmed to be the youngest one there. He even had a small line from the Underworld Saga, which was cut, however. But, he was given a little reference. Ruthlessness; 43 men under Odysseus command Underworld; 558 men who died under his command Yes, he died after being turned back into a man. If you wanna know how, I won't spoil it, so watch it yourself! :> Edit: perhaps you could make a reaction video of all the cut content from Epic the Musical? It won't really be spoilers, seeing as there's not a lot, but there should be enough for a reaction video!

when it comes to the baby pig it turns into a relatively young and skiny man so i like to think that it was ajax the lesser who in the first song (the horse and the infant) was represented as well a child

So down for the Hamilton reactions; it has been 12* long years since it first released, after all *It first premiered off-Broadway in 2015, lol

Underworld - ShiQing47 No Longer You - Ximena Natzel Monster - Gigi Those are my current favorites for animatics for the Underworld Saga. Boys, do with that what thou will.

For the underworld saga you should react to animatics Ximena for no longer you Gigi monster

Kinda touch my heart when you say Polites remember every man birthday does they even remember polites birthday?😢

Okay so, I wanted to figure out why the color choices were done as they were and either Anna did some really cool stuff or just happened onto really cool stuff. So, this animatic give Circe two colors when doing/discussing magic. That yellow into magenta thing when its regarding spells placed on the men, and a cyan that looks a lot like Poseidon's color when she mentions the underworld. So does this mean she is drawing magic from multiple sources? and that any underworld related magic she is drawing from Poseidon? There is theory that Poseidon was once god of the underworld before Hades even existed, and that he was a chthonic god in Mycenean Greece (ancient Greece's ancient Greece). So is Anna's color choice indicating the belief in that theory and that Circe is connected directly with Poseidon? This is when I pulled up another tab of the animatic to look at the flashback to Poseidon's eyes and at Circe's eyes, AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY DIFFERENT COLORS! I thought they were the same but its very distinctly different cyans. Poseidon has a more green cyan while Circe has a much bluer cyan to the point that its nearly a muted sky blue (light blue). So what does all this actually indicate, or is this just artistic choice for things? This is when I went to research things and turns out, Circe may be able to tap into chthonic magic, but not from Poseidon at all! Circe is the daughter of the sun god Hellios and the Oceanid nymph Perse. Family tree wise Perse is essentially cousins with Poseidon (both kids of different Titan pairs), but things get kinda weird because Perse also is sometimes viewed as the mother of Hecate, The Goddess of Magic. She also potentially has chthonic connections in being a possible ceremonial name for Persephone, goddess of the underworld. So the color change may be an indication of where the magic is being drawn from, and Circe is drawing it from her mother more directly when doing underworld based things due to Perse's chthonic connections. Bottom line whether Anna just stumbled on this or intended this, its cool.

HAMILTON COULD NEVER

The baby pig was probably just because of Lesser Ajax, if he was alive by that point (and if he was the person Anniflamma was depicting as a baby pig). It's also entirely possible Odysseus had more short kings on his team, other than just Lesser Ajax

I visibly got surprised when Casper said "What's the name of the blind guy?" Was Tiresias in the PJO series? I thought that was Casper's only prior knowledge.

Just a heads up, I believe you have accidentally linked the Done For animatic instead of this songs!

At least Odysseus said no to this

I need a lot more people to recognize the elements of SA here, considering she sings "if you want to save your men from the fire, show me that you're willing to burn", and he tries to justify it to himself before he breaks away in the "I can't". This isn't Odysseus almost cheating or almost giving in and proving Circe right about being a pig

6:02 Casper saying he wishes Jay did it in 3/4 and waltz like and then it you go to no longer you and (i believe at least) it is 3/4 waltz style when he’s facing a new not quite enemy. the character Odysseus faces that are necessary enemies all have diffrent styles of music to it. Hermes with his disco, Circe with salsa, Tiresias with waltz. I want to add more for Athena and Aeolus but i /gen don’t know what i would classify them as

20:51 eyes like Poseidon's may be why in some myths Perseis, so she would be a creature from the ocean and would have the same eyes as Poseidon, at least I think that was the artist's interpretation

In "Percy Jackson and The Heroes of Olympus: The Son of Neptune"(AKA the 2nd book of the 2nd series) there is a blind prophet named Phineas who is a roman demigod brought back by Gaia and is cursed to have harpies constantly trying to steal his food, so that could be who Casper's talking about, if not Tiresias.

Jorge and Talya filmed a live action version of the sword bit, and they used a plastic fork. Tik Tok deemed it too inappropriate, despite the fact that they were fully clothed and IT WAS A PLASTIC FORK. Edit: Okay, you _have_ seen it.

I have an alternate theory about the piano playing while Athena isn’t there physically, it might as well be as you guys theorize and it means she is watching over Odysseus, but what if it plays on the background the more Odysseus acts the way Athena wants him to act, so the more he acts as his teacher the more powerful the piano sounds become, probably wrong just an idea that occurred to me

HE CAUGHT THE PENELOPE VIOLA MOTIF!!!!!!!!!!! (Sorry, I get excited when people catch the motifs on their first listen.)

I always thought that the reason he says 12 is because the journey home had taken 2 more years so far since they left troy

Disco element come in when Circe is talking about I remember actions of passion. I’ve been in love once before. The disco elements come in because if I remember correctly, Circe and Hermes used to date so part of Hermes helping Odysseus is to spite an ex.

oh boy i got comments! 1) aww, look at Caspers little hobbit face of delight! 2) less than 2 seconds into the animatic CENSORED XD 3) i absolutely love the musical style changes that utterly change the tone of the conversation throughout. 4) the visual storytelling here was somehow very graphic for a story of how a bloke doesnt get his end away. the kiss denied did not need to be such a tangle of limbs, but im not sad it was. *signature Mortius Oh My fan gesture* 5)that spin. Oh My goodness that spin and belt. 6) Your little hobbit face when you saw her raise the knife :o 7) the power dynamics in this story between the pair of them is fascinating, and it really drives home how Mercy is given from a position of power. 8) dont worry, he has no idea he was close with the prophet thing. you played that so cool ;P 9) that poor nymph needs a regular little teacup piggy that is not a dude who Circe didnt like 10) this story is a nice reference to greeting the world with open arms. this conflict could have been talked through from the start if both parties didnt start paranoid, they were both scared and reacted at the start with anger born from defensiveness and if they started with a willingness to greet with open arms this could all have been avoided. polites proved right! kind of!

I love the idea of when she says "Hermes gave it to you, didn't he?" Hermes is seen in the background and just quickly DUCKS behind a pillar. 🤣

Fun fact (about the actual mythology)… When Circe sings “I had been in love once before…” she is talking about her falling for Glaucus (a minor sea god). The only problem was that he fell for one of Circe’s nymphs named Scylla instead.

Tiresias was a mythological Greek figure who was famous for his prophecies and for transforming into a woman for seven years. Tiresias was a blind prophet in Thebes, a city in central Greece. He existed through seven generations in Thebes and was a prophet of Apollo.

"When I hear 'prophet' I think of Apollo." Tumblr Users: Watch out for his dodgeball

I'm pretty sure the piglet is "Little Ajax" who is referenced a lot in Greek works including Iliad and Odyssey, and in the first song of the series!

I really love how deep these discussions go

"This is the price we pay to love." is also used once in "Puppeteer", I believe. Edit: Yep, it's between when Eurylochus says "She's a clever witch, and she's hard to slay. It's a game of wits, but you don't have to play."

In puppeteer: "This is the price, we pay to love. We draw the line, watch from above." In There are other ways: "This is the price, we pay to love. We draw the line, never enough."

If I recall in the oddesy he spends a whole year on the island Arachne with crice and even gets 2-3 kids with her. which is kinda hileriues for later in the "Epic: story ".. the loom comment made me chuckle a little because of the myth of Arachne and Athena. Where Arachne challenges Athena to a contest, and wins but is turned into a spider because Athena is a spiteful goddess

The look of pain on Ody's face right after he tries to pull away, but she keeps pulling him back, is so heart-wrenching.

Just wanted to let people know that there's a new "luck runs out" animatic by crashite that is an absolute masterpiece

16:59 I LOVE the use of the music from "The Underworld" in this part.

i always thought Just a Man comes in places where Odysseus needs to make a tough decision, choosing between his morals and survival. and i don't think what happens here is an exception, because Circe threatens to cook and eat his men (want to save your men from the fire?), so this time he's choosing between saving them and staying loyal to Penelope. and Anni made sure to show that he's very much NOT into Circe. but this is only one of interpretations, so idk

I want to point out that during the battle it's all "there's no puppets here" and then it isn't until he refers to himself as one of her puppets that she ceases her hostilities.

In some myths Hermes and Circe were lovers, which may be why the song takes on a more ‘disco’ feel when she sings about remembering actions of passion.

Circe's island was such a breather for Oddy and his men that he stays there for at least a year, until his men started bitching again about going home already, not because they missed home but mainly because only Oddyseus was getting pampered and potentially getting laid with a goddess. Some versions of the tale even have it that Oddyseus had a kid with Circe

the black and blue for Circe's eyes is symbolic of the ocean, I believe. Because isn't Circe an Oceanid? Or at least of Oceanid heritage, hence the fin ears.

Well we are near the start of the underworld saga I can not wait for Casper’s reaction to underworld and monster underworld because of a very specific part of that I feel like this man is going to need a hug after that

Casper mentioned that he thinks it should've been in 3/4, making it more like a waltz, but by keeping in in 4/4, and with the rhythm in the back, its not a waltz, its a tango, which is said to be one of, if not THE most intimate of dances

This is easily one of my favorite songs in Epic

Circe also said "This is the price we pay to love" in the second verse of that in puppeteer on the spinning scene!!