How Discord Came to Be (MLP Analysis) - Sawtooth Waves 

Considering discord can make a volcano appear out of nowhere in a millisecond or warp reality just as fast can’t be compared to any other villain. He is a god. I highly doubt any villain could do such things. He could even have more power but thanks to the age range of the show be was dumbed down. Even bill cipher can’t do a quarter of what Discord can do. Discord is unmatched by 99.99% of all villains.

I'm so happy to be able to watch sawtooth again. Even if reuploading had to take place. I miss you sawtooth 😭😭😭

It may be fate. Like when Luna was banished a lot of pony’s like sunset, moon dancer, starlight, twilight, star tracker were born. These could also an attempt to bring sun, twilight, night into existence. So at the time they needed a bad guy to complete the harmony. You can’t have good without evil. (Edit) also grogar is the father of monsters.

I just realized I kinda relate to Discord -I have separation anxiety -I like to watch videos that have chaotic moments -if I could I would create cotton candy clouds (only difference is I would eat them in 2 seconds) -when I play video games I always add something random to the character I'm making like extra arms or a tail

10:54 Imagine getting discord in a musik concert with instruments and he does that

I found a plot hole in MLP. If starswirl left before luna and celestia became rulers of equestria. Then how does scorpan meet starswirl and go to luna and celestia to defat tierek in the first place

This guy deserves much more credit I mean look at him this guy is the best character they had ever made

Tirek said To discord “You were Legend” during his first appearance which means Discord was already older by some degree. But the time line is really kind of fucked up. Really discord might be the timeless avatar of chaos that is only around when he needs to be

Starswirl being discords creator actually make sense, so imagine Starswirl created Discord just before the pony of shadows, then abondoned discord because he was a body of chaos, which he hates, and hoped he wouldnt survive without him. Then he grew up and realised his powers and took equestria in revenge to starswirl abondoning him

7:30 surprised that he didn’t bring up the mlp books here(I’m half sure that they are canon) because in them when we see Tirek talking with his father, we can see discord in the backround.

Discord says even himself in a epsiode he been around for eons or euns . SO happy to watch discord ❤❤❤

Finally someone who reposted his videos! 😭 I’ve been dying to find it!

glad to see this video being reuploaded cause this video means a lot to me (for obvious reasons)

discord definitely did not get created by starswirl because in comics it is confirmed that he has been around since at minimum the dinosaur era, which would have been millions of years before starswirl was born. He also most likely wasn't created by grogar for the same reason, because if I'm not mistaken grogar was born around the time equestria was created which was only a couple thousand years prior to the show. The main theory that myself and you kinda talked about is that discord was created whenever the action of chaos was first portrayed, as discord always states that he is the embodyment of chaos, and he even begins to fade when he isn't chaotic so it would make more sense. It also still works with the harmony thing u were talking, but just millions if not billions of years earlier, whenever the concepts were introduced. Thats only if you take comics into account tho. Just based on the show urs makes sense

I think Discord has been around since the dawn of time. Kind of like Majin Buu

"What is he?" Discord = chaos😊

Me(a non mlp watcher) :thinking everyone is talking obt discord the app

What if Starswirl knew that he would plant a seed that would grow into the tree of harmony? He may have known about the yin Yang cycle and created discord on purpose!

1:38 Discord could have just been bidding his time, Waiting until he was POWERFULL enough to conquer equestria

Plot twist: discord created starswirl and starswirl is not a real pony but a creation of doscord

My personal idea is that Discord manifested into reality when chaos entered the realm. When Grogar created the creatures chaos spread and thus Discord created-

You missed out on something in one episode when tyrac was attacking discord said something about king scorpan tyracs dad so he might be older

One thing i took to noticed in the episode was that yes, they did in fact surrender their magic, but twilight took and used the magic they had left that they were made up of to escape tartarus. Discord’s magic powers were taken, not what he was made up of. So yes, the theory of Grogar could be true.

What if discord had a tree and he came from it as soon as the tree of harmony was formed, that’s why I call the new tree harmony prime and discord nexas

My theory is discord is the embodiment of fun chaos or just chaos overall

Discord's birth will remain a mystery.

I'm inclined to think that Discord was created by Grogar. Large gaps can be explained by Discord being frozen in stone. One other thing, I don't think Discord is a chaos god at all. I think his primary role is progress. We need progress to prevent stagnation. Chaos is just a byproduct of progress.

That theory makes so much sense😱😱🦄🦄

Sawtooth in the map intro when Fluttershy sharing kindness discord is seen in the windw

To be honest discord was based on draconequus from the Greek mythology

my theory is that discord was the one who had created other creatures that are locked up in tarturas right now for example the chicken with the body of a snake, and the lion, goat and snake combanised togather, in the episode where you see apple boom deiver her pies and encountering a scary snake, goat lion creature, that creatures eyes had like a hypnotize thing with discords colours just like when in season 2 when discord turned the main 6 mean all theyre eyes had a hypnotizing

Bro thinks he's matpat. Good video fr

I thought so to doubt it’s a coincidence

It's in darkness that light shines brightest

He first made a appearance as a statue

Discord is energy that's why he faded into a spirit form

I know what discord is CHAOS just because he looks like a fusion doesn’t mean he is one that’s just what he looks like

Maybe discord was in a cage all that time

From this video I theorize Discord was made by Grogar. Discord was Grogar's ace card for create chaos to his enemies to make the conquer easier for him.

i have an own theory in season 4 when t rex betrayed discord he took his magic. then in season 9 episode 25 when the princesses and discord magic was in there. cozy glow wanted the magic inside the bell and she said i would be so much powerful is i could get my hoofs on the bell then they started arguing then t rex said we cant use the bell until we figure out how to use this fools chaos magic but she took discord magic in season 4. i love your vids keep up the good work

Your the only person that I have seen that makes things make sense

I think maybe Discord was sealed away somewhere and StarSwirl, and most likely his past mentors, kept the seal on him, so when he and the pillars went to limbo with the pony of shadows, Discord was able to slowly break out of his prison, and I'm pretty sure StarSwirl didn't tell anyone about where Discord was since he seems the type to go with the first plan he makes and barelyc change it, so nobody knew where Discord was so no one kept the seal strong allow him to eventually get out.

Sawtooth please come back!! T-T i miss your theories and ur funny personality and ur oc!!!

I totally agree with the yin and yang theory. It's also what fueled my ship of Dislestia because I felt the only true way to get balance was for chaos and harmony to come together. And so those two got together and by being that connected with their magic it would create the tree of balance. I imagine the tree of balance to be two trees intertwined together the tree of chaos if you will looking like the chaos symbol. For those who don't know what that is, that's arrows going in every direction in a circle. This in turn would make both individuals more powerful and better able to protect the realm. Just my own little head canon :)

I have two theories about this. So my first one is that this cord came out of the tree maybe to protect it maybe well you understand something to keep the tree safe but then maybe he ran into some sort of chaos any sort. Or discord was created by princess Celestia and Luna ever to make harmony harmony or to keep the tree of harmony safe. so, but these are both related

Discord is the opposite of the tree of the harmony so when the tree kf harmony became this all grown tree from the seed planted by the pillar, discord was created as the partner and opposite of the tree. This explain how when he appeared for the first time and fought the sister he planted the seed to destroy the tree, or when the keys for the main 6 box he knew where even what was the keys.

Dude he came from the epic of gilgamesh. The first couple of seasons were a rippoff of the epic of giglamesh.

Discord is mix of many creatures. Surely he has something that is related to humans.

Discord is also lord of disharmony more yin yang

Discord is Q from Star Trek. It’s just so far in the future that ponies replaced humans as the dominant species so Q disguised himself and took up the identity of discord.

Maybe stat swirl did create discord and discord was planning his first appearance

If the comics really are canon then that could also give us more clues

I think your correct!

We now know this is wrong Discord is much older

Actually... the StarSwirl theory makes sense (that he CREATED Discord, not "turned" into him). What if Discord was accidentally created by StarSwirl, and because of his gruesome appearance, StarSwirl abandoned him in the world? Just like Victor Frankenstein did to the Creature. We could see Discord aging in G5, so maybe he was born a baby creature, unable to control his powers, therefore unable to defend himself or control his chaos magic. This is how he took so long to appear, because he was growning up and learning about his own existence and powers. It makes sense to me. It also makes sense why he would turn into a villain after being abandoned, just like Frankenstein's Creature. Himself said he never had a friend before Fluttershy.

I have a theory as to how discord came to be. The pillars made the seed because starswirl encouraged it. His reason was born of his mistrust and arrogance. He had the disharmony inside himself and it also was seeded when the seed of harmony was planted. I would love if someone could take this theory and open it up for everyone to see. Thanks

I believe that Discord, if he is the lord of chaos, he is chaos himself, then he is essentially chaos. He has always existed. In addition, Grogar is the father of monsters, he is like the creator of villains. But Discord is above all this, he is not just some kind of monster, he is almost a God who can do whatever he wants. most likely, it has always existed and will always exist. Even if he is killed, I think that he will return because there will be no world without chaos, maybe even stronger than he is. Just like you said, the spirit of harmony and the spirit of chaos. Two opposites that cannot exist without each other. But I believe that Discord has always existed, and the spirit of harmony appeared later for balance. As for Discord's naivety, he has always been like that and underestimated his opponents, until the last episode of season 9

But you forgot one thing Tirak knew Discord beafor, Tirak said that himself

You forgot abt discord getting turned to stone. When the planting of the tree of harmony happened, the elements of harmony had also been born. Discord was probably from a civilization with strange creatures like him. He couldve left to start a new life elsewhere and on his journey encountered a creature that put chaos magic into discord. That means by the time he got to equestria, the tree of harmony had fully grown, and somthing used the elements of harmony to turn him to stone through the timeline, it was the tree itself. When the uh uh uh forest thing was taking over it attacke the tree of harmony... But 𝓦𝓗𝓨? the tree of harmony isn't a "tree" at all. It is a living creature whom took the form of a tree to save equestria.. but from what? The creature could see into the future, that's why. But how? It's simple. If was a pony. Not just anh ordinary pony, The person who created alicorns. Star Swirl the Great. When he died, his spirit went into the tree of harmony, causing it to grow the elements of harmony. One day, discord arrived at the tree of harmony. And star swirs's spirit knew he was the one, skhe caused the elements tivyurn him to stone, but for discord to later break out and cause Celestial and Luna to go defeat him to save equestria. THIS TOOK SK LIKE TK TYPE ARDV GV DFFDGCC

I have a theory about discord you know in one of the episodes that he started disappearing because he wasn't acting chaotic I feel like that discord was not the only whatever they're called and the only way they went extinct I see your eyes that they weren't acting chaotic of any sort

When twilight took the "lasting" power of those creatures it took the magic that made them one out of more animals. They didn't had any superpowers. We see that when the main 6 thought that the chicken that turned ponys into stone it couldn't then. But discord had his magic when he teamed up with trec and when trec took the magic of discord he didnt turn into seperate pieces because he had the power that made him what he is.

Discord was turned into stone

Tirek knows about discord as he says lord discord in princess twilight spakle

That would be really weird if star swirl was discord because that would make him an old man and fluttershy is like 20

goat+human+horse.....

Horse and a demon

I MISS SAWTOOTH WANT HIM BACK GIVE HIM BACK😭💔

Me for myself question the harmony theorie bc I can't see harmony as the opposite of chaos. Harmony (as I understand its meaning) describes the balance between all existing opposits - heat and cold, light and darkness, good and evil, chaos and order. Following said theorie bout the tree/ghost of harmony it could've been that Discord came to life the same time as the spirit of harmony did - not as it's counterpart but as the counterpart of a third ghost of order, with harmony as their balance (just don't know who that could be..). My prefered theorie would mean that discord as the chaos itself came to exist together with order as the universe has been created - or even before. To answer the question, where discord wuz before he took over Equestria back then: well.. as simply as it sounds but.. he wuz at college with the smooze 😜

What if he was gregors manifestation? Or his creations manifestations and so much of it all together created him similar to the reference of the 3 siren horses when the 3 pony races spent the day trying to come to an agreement about which pony type should be more important

ok but what happen to him andd by him i mean discord in mlp new genoration wee see no type of chaos mabye because hes better then ever or somthing happened but as wee know the only thing able to stop him fron causing chaos is his magic being taken the evil alicorn lady could have stolen grogars bell and took discords magic as her own and discord could have stoped her but she probibly snuke up on him and took his magic and he was never to be seen again but wait we saw in season 9 when discords magic was taken with grogars bell he could still move he just couldnt use well magic so his chaos was just obsorbed from his boddy he left ponyville mabye even outside of aquestria and started a new life with no magic but as we hear in this video like fluttershy said he is a creature made for chaos so being normal caused the vanish so he couldd have vanished after having no chaos magic to stay chaotic (if you read this whole thing please like not begging but you can)

Honestly, I kind of agree with this, since yin and yang is literally just the definition of one thing cannot exist without its equal and opposite. Like you can't have creation without destruction, you can't have life without death. That sort of thing. They're always must be something to balance the other out. Seriously I can go on and on with examples of you. Can't have blank without blank, but in the end this theory is probably the most accurate. You can't have a Harmony without its equal and opposite in chaos

Why can’t he just be? He can open up portals to other dimensions so what if he just came from another dimension to have fun and cause chaos? Maybe he got banished from him home dimension for being too chaotic and he’s not the literal spirit of chaos just got the title for being crazy

i think yes star swriwl creaated dicord but when it went wrong he some how containd him but when star swril went to limbo it broke the seal but disord still being weak after his imprisonment needed time to regain his stregh as did lord tireck

I think crogar prisoned discord cs he feared discord will overthrow him and discord knew if he escaped crogar will prison him again so it took him so long to appear

4:51 and a demon!?

Is the physical balanced by the magic or digital?

e hem he WAS TRAPPED BY STONE *HINT HINT*

I think chaos popped into existence asoon the tree of harmony grew up

Discord is gone.

Alright hear me out sawtooth, lets go back to the starswirl idea and i know the reasons why it wouldnt work out if starswilr CREATED him but listen ik discord was i guess discovered maybe a millenia away or during dinosaur ages but what if he was created or his first appearance was in limbo-? When star swirl opening the gatway to limbo to trap the pony of shadows maybe discord came back. We also know discord travels to a different universe sometimes (exaggeration) like the galaxy no gravity looking one where he lives so maybe after he escapes limbo he goes there or its possible hes impersonating other villians. Keep in mind he can double himself. JUST A THEORY

Wait… I just now realized his channel is gone. Tf??? Why?

I used to support this theory of Discord being chaotic good, but after the season nine finale, he’s become completely irredeemable, still creating chaos just because he feels like it But anyways, thank you either way for reuploading these theories

Pls pin. The description give the basis of the controversy, but here are more details for those who want it. The basic story of what happened goes as follows (yes, you'll have to read a bit but this is a condensed version of the mountains of text they gave): A 15-year-old fan (a name I've seen is Ash) was a big fan of Sawtooth and made art and videos for him. He eventually saw them and thanked her for the art. They became friends, talking about MLP theories. He has done this with many fans and even featured some in collabs on his episodes. Eventually she confesses that she has a crush on Sawtooth (whom had just turned 19), making him feel awkward about their relationship and initially denying her feelings back. Some weeks later, the conversation came back again he came back with a "maybe if you were older" type comment which gave her hope in that they could be a couple when she was older but for now would just be friends. Over the next year or so, they would become much closer, talking more openly about things like mental health, family situations, et cetera. They were essentially online bf and gf but didn't do too much apart from roleplay and virtual hugs and kisses. Typical teenager stuff. Then her mother comes in, and she is quite abusive to Ash and threatens Sawtooth to stop talking to her. This is when both parties realised how serious this relationship could be. They didn't want to give up being friends but were willing to put themselves at distance. They would go weeks or even months without talking because of her mother's rules, but they did occasionally mail to each other (as they had done prior while sending fanart to each other). During these separations, she became even more obsessive than she was to the point that she started ignoring her studies and failing in school. On the few times they did reconvene, Sawtooth warned her to not ignore school but she ignored his warnings. By about 2019, they were barely in any contact. Her mother placed a final strict separation between them, though Ash would still text Sawtooth, even though he refused to text back because of her mother's boundaries. A point that was brought up earlier was that when she turns 18, she can make her own decisions and wouldn't have to listen to her mother anymore. When she did turn 18, Sawtooth would start returning her texts and they would officially become a couple. At this point, they began exploring a mild sexual relationship (no one was forced or pressured to do anything), but this wouldn't last too long. The relationship was immediately toxic and ended barely 6 months (I believe) after it started. Sawtooth was the one to break it off. They apparently had a momentary FWB deal but there really is no detail as to how all of that went but they were both adults at this time so it generally isn't our business but it was clear their relationship had grown sour. Then by 2022, Ash told Sawtooth that she was gonna expose him for their relationship and Sawtooth knew that if she did, he would never be trusted again because he knows how the internet is gonna take stuff like this. She got him to beg that she not come forward because it would mean the end of his channel. He would eventually accept this and stopped making videos for a while. By February, both made posts around the same time detailing their sides and Sawtooth privated his channel. She blames him for being 19 and fraternising with a 15 year-old at the time and for being the reason she did bad in school and can't go to college. I'm not even framing it, that is literally what her trauma was; that she did bad and school and blames it on him. It's obvious to me at least that this was a masterclass of a nothing burger that honestly has nothing to do with us so there was no reason they should have actively destroyed his career, but we all know how the internet is. No one can make a mistake without being caught and cancelled for it, no matter how many years have passed or how small the mistake was.

in season 9 episode 25 discord was growgared

my theory one day there was two tribes chaos and harmony discord was born in chaos once a year , the two tribes met oops said discord to his dad and mom when he joined harmony his mom and dad said you can stay soon after celestia , luna and discord met soon tia and luna had roles and left discord soon he found equestria and took over and you know tia aka celestia🐴🐎🦄

Hi can i ask u a question why did the human rainbow dash make two sonic rain booms and the pony rainbow dash make one sonic rain boom😕

Something u shud kno is that the weird plants of the ever free forest were seeds planted by discord himself so the ever free best couldn't hav come b4 discord But I hav another headcannon. It's completely non canon to the timeline. What if like u said the ever free forest and tree of harmony were there at the same time but the tree of harmony and a lot of magic so it prevented the ever free forest from overgrowing and there was an imbalance between chaos and harmony seeing that harmony was taking over so discord manifested in equsstria to balance out the chaos and harmony.

People who’s favorite character is discord (Like or reply or do neither it doesn’t matter)👇

Your wrong Discord representsdis-harmony

i have a theory so what if discord ruled the world befor but someone handled him but what ever punisment he got he ecaped after his strugle

WE CREATED DISCORD BECAUSE LIKE HOW NATURE WORKS TO KEEP THINGS IN LINE AND IN ORDER WHILE CERTAIN THINGS ARE THE EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, THAT CREATES CHAOS AND DISHARMONY IN RESPONSE!! WE CREATED DISCORD!

brooooo discord made a app called discord😂

Nice amazing

Chimera def the discord ❤?

Discord is really powerful but is he rlly that powerfull I kean he got turned and got freed from stone by 6 shiny gems as a necklace ajd 1xof them as a crown wich had broke by someone weaker than discord as around the end of beginning of end part 2 where discord said he pretended to be hurt as a would be king ( king sombroaw) would hurt him so it just don't mix up as if discord can be prisoned by some gems wich can be broken by someone weaker than discord.

OMG THANKS FOR REPOSTING THIS!? will u repost all his posts?

hi there, kinda new here? im looking for more videos like this one, with theories and stuff. ive looked through the channel and cant rly find more? and the playlist are also rly confusing. help pls

What about cosmos/cosmo?

You want to know where Luna was on the moon you have to watch ask pone

Since grogar could create creatures/monster i think he created discord but he was a SERVENT of grogar and got captured wh4n gusty the great took his bell. Mabey thats why he decided to pretend to be grogar EDIT: I wrote this before i finished the vid