How Do MTG Card Sorting Machines Compare?

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I'm excited to share a quick comparison showcasing the four most popular MTG card sorters on the market. I will note that the "pros & cons" are specific to my personal use case as a hobbyist collector/player. What I list as a downside here is likely a selling point for others! Each of these sorters are impressive in their own right and I do not intend to disparage them in any way.
Also, the information I present comes primarily from the manufacturer websites, but I included some information from online community boards as well. I also sent an initial copy of this video out to all mentioned manufacturers last week to ensure I am not misrepresenting any machine. I apologize if you notice my voice sounds different in a few sections. Those are ones that I re-recorded after some feedback from the manufacturers.
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@Sorting Robotics - • Video
@Magic Sorter - • Magic Sorter Presentation
@CardCastle - • CardBot - Automated Sc...
@TCG Machines - • PhyzBatch-9000 Card So...
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@theguymasamato - • How to make a Card Sor...
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0:00 Intro
0:18 Roca Sorter
1:13 The Magic Sorter
2:11 Card Bot
3:16 PhyzBatch 9000
4:20 Comparisons
5:11 Conclusion

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@blakemoody5866 Год назад

the monthly subscription parts are insane. especially the $8000 machine that can only sort into 2 piles. That is useless!!!

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha I'm not sure I would say useless! Some people just want their cards inventoried, so physical sorting isn't really a priority for them.

@Melissanoma Год назад

8000$ and you own it outrigt.....except you also pay 140$/month for the software or it's dead

@vxicepickxv Год назад

@@WowCreativeUsername it's 533 hours of sorting at 15 dollars an hour.

@cooper10182 Год назад

The card bot was more intended for a card shop, supposedly you can take your collection to a participating shop and logging into your own account and use their machine to sort and catalog on your account. So I think the price is more along that line than just a private collector sorting

@dez3940 Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel this is a case where the machine is way over priced for what it dose and how slow it dose the software to Id and keep track of where cards are is also over priced as well maybe 200-300 a year if they provide catalog updates and it works well. I do understand why it's so expensive (bc no market) but still if it wasn't so pricy maybe they would have more customers.

@TuberTugger Год назад

As a MTG player, design engineer and ML software dev, I'm triply interested in how this project turns out! Subbed and looking forward to some juicy details!

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha we've got a lot in common! I appreciate the support and hope I can deliver on those juicy details!

@darckgreens Год назад

I always wanted to sort my card efficiently and accessible to the public. Subscribed to see where the project is going. Good luck with your project :)

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks for subscribing! I appreciate the support

@mikesweet9991 Год назад

Subscribed! Super interested in this project, the goals you've set are impressive and could be revolutionary to small LGS across the country. Can't wait to see more!

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thank you, I appreciate the support!

@VincentPascoe 5 месяцев назад

about 10 years ago I had a large baseball card company ask me to make one of these. at the time I think we bid the job at $28,000-35,000 in the end they didn't do it because they where worried about if the cards would be damaged. Amazing to see what you have done so far at a fraction of what the compeitors have in resorces etc.

@jackbaumgartel 5 месяцев назад

Thats really cool to hear! I appreciate the kind words

@liammenchaca8860 Год назад

I am incredibly interested in this project! Can’t wait to see where it goes

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Great to hear, I appreciate the support!

@iansylvester Год назад

Definitely following to see how your project turns out! Looking forward to an updated video on how it's going

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Glad to hear it, thanks for the support. And I posted an update at the link below just a few weeks ago! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-T3_t0O5JumA.html

@nlb137 Год назад

Those prices (especially with having to subscribe to the software, meaning you never *really* own it) are ludicrous. I look forward to seeing what you can do to make that more reasonable.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks for the support, I appreciate it!

@Kevincole87 Год назад

I dont mind a pay for each update for new sets $10 a new set would be fine and will generate you constant income. The machine shouldn't break just cause you dont have the latest set update

@kicknpost Год назад

As I have used 2 of these sorters, currently using the Phizbang900, previously used the Magic Sorter. The Magic sorter, as far as I know has bit the big one and is no more and stopped recieving updates for it. Currently using the Phizbang has been great, it does have its own problems with jams, and loading issues that means you have to check on it regularily, but it is effecient at what it is needed for.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks for sharing! I've heard similar reports that the Magic-Sorter isn't being supported so much anymore, but good to hear the "Phizbang" is working well for you!

@nooikko Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel I own one of these and use it on the daily. Not only is it upwards of $2,000 USD but it also receives (albeit infrequent) updates.

@Alucard6961 Год назад

Subbed and waiting for the next video. Definitely interested in following this project and maybe picking one up myself

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Awesome to hear, thanks for the support!

@zachk7305 Год назад

As another magic nerd, engineer, and hobby programmer, I am incredibly excited to have found this video. Subbed and notified! I've wanted to build something for myself for a while now, so I hope following will the kick in the pants I needed lol.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha great to hear, I appreciate the support!

@jawazilla7199 Год назад

Be watching your progress with much interest

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Great to hear!

@Jon-Jon309 Год назад

I will be watching your progress!!

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks, I appreciate it!

@garrettparmenter938 Год назад

Subscribed. Very interested to see your software implementation.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Great to hear, thanks for the support!

@ttvnoname6524 Год назад

Your an incredible editor and an amazing climber woww ❤❤

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thank you!

@BenMclean007 Год назад

This is a trip! I work with the CardCastle guys on and off, and my brother was the developer responsible for integrating the CardBot into their app (along with some R&D). They're super nice guys, very attentive to detail.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Awesome to hear the connection! And from my communications with them I can agree they are fantastic!

@TCGmachines Год назад

Excellent video. Well researched, and presented in a balanced and professional manner. We wish you the best of luck with your project, and eagerly await the next video installment!

@reillocb Год назад

HOLY MOLY you're here! Your're an inspiration for us all o7

@alexandervilla5673 Год назад

If you want a PERSONAL card sorting machine, the two pile one works - I guess. But if you're trying to organize huge piles of cards you'll want to mimic a mail sorting machine. One of my senior projects was creating a card sorting machine. I didn't find out until the couple weeks that there were already a few card sorting machines in existence. Long story short - the PhysBatch most closely matched my idea which was "The USPS already figured out how to organize huge amounts of flat rectangular objects, lets mimic what they do!" The Roca and the two pile one both share the same problem - they organize too slowly and need too much human handling to work.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha always a good idea to not reinvent the wheel! I'd love to hear or see more on your project if you're willing to share!

@alexandervilla5673 Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel Sure. Are you able to DM me or something? I don't usually go into the youtube comment section.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@alexandervilla5673 Haha yes sorry, my email is linked at the address below if that works for you! jackbaumgartel.myportfolio.com/work

@Loki- Год назад

Man, I'm super sad this wasn't a 1 hour video lol! Can't wait to see how it goes. You seem to be astute and passionate.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha sorry my attention span won't let me make a video that long! I appreciate the kind words though, I hope to deliver for you!

@hasui7610 Месяц назад

Just a thought but if you can find a way to separate the cards not by putting them in different piles but by placing a divider every x amount of cards, you would save a ton of space and moving parts. This can even be done manually by putting dividers in your stack, or maybe supplying dividers with the product

@jackbaumgartel Месяц назад

interesting idea!

@TRex-fu7bt Год назад

Thank you RU-vid algorithm. Subbed.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thank you!

@impastamon564 Год назад

Def excited for sub to follow your growth and development.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thank you, I appreciate it!

@impastamon564 Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel once you are finished with this product are you gonna sell it to the public?

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@impastamon564 Assuming I can get it working yes that's the plan!

@rabenfuerst7332 Год назад

Subscribed just now, I want to see how far you can go with that planned machine...

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thank you, I appreciate the support! The next video is already up if you want to see more of my machine!

@Luxaierten Год назад

I'm a LGS owner who was at GAMA checking out the Roca bot and the Card Bot and I wanted to point out some concerns and features that you didn't with the video. The Roca comes with an ipad preloaded with the sorting app and has a lowlight camera so you can keep tabs on its progress. With the merger of TCGPlayer Channel fireball and eBay idk how it is going to be now but at the time (March) you could only price at TCGPlayer pricing and submit the cards to TCGPlayer. That small box next to the Roca is an air compressor and tank combo. For the card bot, the violence and speed with which it moves from side to side will shake the frame but there is a tinted shield that you can slide in to prevent cards from falling and people from seeing inside. Card Bot will export as a csv and price on multiple sites. The footprint to height of it does not imbue it with a feeling of stability.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks for all the extra info, great to hear from someone who has dealt with these machines in person!

@Feraligatrfjhgujvgh Год назад

Holy moly those prices. I’d much rather sort my cards manually as I watch videos on RU-vid.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha not a bad idea!

@TuberTugger Год назад

And now you get to think about all the dollars you're saving too! Win/win

@sorbusmortis3222 Год назад

As someone who helps sort cards at an LGS a good addition to it would be putting lands and tokens in there own seperate piles along with having it sort the cards by first letter. I really can't wait to see where this project goes though, no matter what additions are made.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks for the input! Land/token sorting is definitely on the feature list as with alphabetical. I appreciate the support!

@riancroteau1468 Год назад

One of the things you miss in the video is that the Roca is the only machine capable of truly sorting. Every other machine is basically a fancy sifter (either binary or slightly higher). If you want an algorithm that organizes every set MTG ever printed alphabetically in order by Set and Card Name and color and price then the Roca is capable of all that in just one pass. The Roca only stores in piles of 45 within the machine while recompiling. But the output returned to the tray itself could be as high as 1000 continuous piles (indexes) if you needed it to be. In other words there's a reason the Roca is so expensive. It's far and away the best machine on the market.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

That's pretty cool, I didn't know their sorting features were so involved. Thank you for sharing!

@ArchaicEX Год назад

I imagine that's also why it's so slow.

@MysteriousSoulreaper Год назад

@@ArchaicEX Typical rates for the Roca are 450-470 cards per hour depending on how diverse a pile you give it and how complex the Sort is. If you want to purely sift for value without much sorting it's a lot closer to 550. When compared against machines with faster rates of say 1000 cards per hour those rates start to look much worse when you consider how many passes would be required to get the run into a state where you could file the cards easily into your inventory to be pulled later.

@TheSushiandme Месяц назад

thank you buddy

@jackbaumgartel Месяц назад

Any time!

@reillocb Год назад

What software are you using to design this? Also i had no idea magic sorter was only 800, i could realistically save up for that with time. Great vid, I'll be following closely

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thank you! And the modeling software I'm using is Fusion 360.

@DeckEdge Год назад

It’s way more than $800 (3X) the was the original version from several years ago that you had to put together. That’s no longer an option.

@reillocb Год назад

@@DeckEdge Thank you so much for the update. It's surprisingly hard to find pricing details on these machines. I guess I'll just save up for the materials needed for Jack's design

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@DeckEdge Thanks, a few other people have expressed similar updates, it looks like my pricing was a bit outdated!

@mariano3621 Год назад

This is the best free software Ive seen. Respect.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thank you, I appreciate it!

@LolaliciousSmiley Год назад

I once saw and asked about a huge sorting machine in the back of a local game store and they said it was expensive and useless. It was years ago though, and it looked a lot more diy than these products.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha that's a bummer!

@Everythingwastanke Год назад

If you like the idea of the Phyzbatch, don't be in a hurry to get that machine, after you give them your money it could be years before you get the machine.

@kylehoff3740 Год назад

They're currently shipping ~40 machines/month

@Everythingwastanke Год назад

@@kylehoff3740 how does that compare to their back log? We're coming up on two years pending for ours that we've already paid for so I'd really love to see these getting shipped.

@KianSheik Год назад

Hey I'm building my own card sorting not too! And making it open source. I'm gonna have to watch all your videos and catch up on what you've learned

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Awesome to hear, best of luck!

@kaukospots Год назад

I've been working on a high-quality card recognizer, a (relatively) inexpensive homemade sorter would be amazing

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Awesome to hear, I agree!

@Shivaess Год назад

Good luck! I’m definitely a prospective customer at those numbers and would be happy to help with development of the software or testing if you would like it. I’ve been interested in a home sorter for a long time.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Awesome to hear, I'll be sure to reach out if I ever get stuck!

@satibel Год назад

If possible I'd like to see an option in the software for keeping track of cards, like automatically add sorted cards to a collection, also might be interesting to have automatic deck making/saving (so for example take a duel deck and make it into either the playable deck or the 2 duel decks.)

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

CSV export is a planned feature, so you'll be able to take the digital inventory of scanned cards and import it to whatever deckbuilding software you like!

@satibel Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel csv import might be interesting to have too. (so you put a set of cards in a specific bin.)

@l6ogan9 Год назад

Definitely looking forward to the final product, will this be something you anticipate selling to us masses?

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha great to hear it! And yes assuming I can actually get it working well I plan on launching it publicly

@javids.9537 Год назад

This is a fantastic video! This combines a lot of elements that I am studying atm. Are you an IE?

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thank you! And I am a mechanical engineer by trade, I'm assuming IE is industrial engineer?

@javids.9537 Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel very cool! You are correct, it is industrial engineering. I am IE with a strong back ground in system engineering and management. So your video combined everything I enjoy!

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@javids.9537 Oh awesome! I'm glad to hear you enjoyed the content!

@Deftkou Год назад

Magic Sorter was one I went to for my store, and I got specs and pricing sent to me back in May 2022, but price quoted was significantly higher than what you show in the video. I was quoted "1900€, then a monthly subscription of 20€" which is significantly above the price mentioned. Not sure if that will affect the next video or not but I have that and a small spec sheet I can forward if you're looking to expand your dataset!

@Sacrosanctity451 Год назад

Isn't 1900€ less than $1900?

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Good to know! I don't have plans to really go over the other machines in detail again, but if that changes I'll be sure to reach out and get that spec sheet from you.

@Issblodh Год назад

@@Sacrosanctity451 not back in May 2022. It is now, though.

@toddjblackford Год назад

Quote I got in Oct 2021 was around 2200€ after shipping and the 20€

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@toddjblackford Thanks for sharing, looks like my info was a bit outdated!

@nasaboy87 Год назад

A camera that can use tcg player to give the value of the cards would be a nice potential add on. If a store wants to buy a collection just put it in and wait. Then decide on payment amount based on the value.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Yep, price sorting is a planned feature!

@FilemonSchoffer Год назад

I’ll be waiting for your machine 😊 The price tag on current options is simply to high for home use. If you succeed keeping it $1k, I’m convinced you’ve got a huge market Your project reminds me of the early days of desktop 3D printing. Comparable machines Good luck!

@Feraligatrfjhgujvgh Год назад

Why buy his card sorter when you can buy non tournament legal proxy packs for the same price?

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate the support. And haha you can see where I'm drawing my inspiration from!

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@Feraligatrfjhgujvgh I'll add a special feature, if it detects any 30A proxies it'll self destruct.

@Feraligatrfjhgujvgh Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel Take my money!

@Reth_Hard Год назад

With prices like this, it's probably even cheaper to just buy a few mexicans and use them to sort your cards... lol

@Meskarts 10 месяцев назад

Iam a developer and also interested in this project!

@jackbaumgartel 10 месяцев назад

Love to hear it!

@rebeccachambers4701 Год назад

I think it'd be better especially given like if it's a card shop rather than sorting cards, have a machine that yes can sort out into different piles maybe like three or four different piles where it's like based on a price range were it's like the worthless cards in one pile this somewhat purchased and more valuable and ones that sell and a second file the expensive and then ultra-rare pile and then from there. And the machine is able to categorize make a list of all the cards sorted what pile there in and where they are in in the pile. Are you can search it up and go through the much quicker and then if you could have another machine that unsorted and grabbed the cards that you need from it

@martianvideo Год назад

Wow the YT algorithym seems to grabbed ahold of this vid. Good on ya. Good luck, hope you succeed in all ways. Sorting is a big barrier to us.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha I know! Views have spiked today I'm very grateful to the YT gods. Thanks for the kind words and I hope I can deliver for you!

@YouLikeBosch Год назад

"The Gang gets into the counterfeit card packaging business"

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

hahaha

@inamecomeunico8935 Год назад

Nice

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks!

@DaryxFox 4 месяца назад

The PhyzBatch 9000 seems to function very similar to IBM's punch card sorting machines...

@djwhite8490 Год назад

I think would be cool to divide it into colors first then into rarity then into card type

@Wibbs2094 Год назад

Hey a great way to source parts for it would most likely 3D printing for the lower costs goal like you said to try to keep it under a grand

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks for the input! I've got a 3D printer and will definitely be using it heavily!

@Polmax2312 Месяц назад

The test which many sorters fail is to separate UNL and Revised cards. Ordering from CK I get UNL instead of 3ed frequently. I can hardly see an algorithm reliably sorting the big pile without at least several errors.

@jackbaumgartel 6 дней назад

yeah those sets are tough to differentiate without really precise visual scanning!

@yveshotting3371 Год назад

a comparison of cards condition after going through these mashines X Times would be a nice comparison too#

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Yeah that would be nice, sadly I don't have thousands of dollars laying around to do one!

@gangsta_t7858 Год назад

I didn’t realize the need in the market

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Heck yeah, me neither until I wanted to buy one!

@sloth9669 Год назад

You get a machine working to Your expected specs I’ll order one the first day it’s available

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Great to hear, I'll be doing my best to make it happen!

@ry7hym Год назад

I want a machine that shuffles my sleeved cube

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks for the input, a shuffle feature is definitely on my list

@GeeksJocks Год назад

Update on the price of the magic sorter just got a quote from them its 2100 Euros and a shipping cost of 450 Euros

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thank you, I appreciate it!

@HadesTachyon Год назад

Bro ngl if you put this up for sale and this works for Other card games like Yu-Gi-Oh I will order 2 of these

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha great to hear! I'll definitely be starting out with MTG cards, but if all goes well I'd be happy to add support for other games!

@aidanmacdonald6280 Год назад

For the cost of the Roca, you could just hire somebody to sort your cards for you.

@chrisfirgaira Год назад

I don't have an invoice on me presently but Magic Sorted is more like 1700 Euros, not sure where the 800 came from :) might be worthwhile a double check

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks for the info! A few other people have similarly commented that the price has increased from the numbers I found.

@adriannaranjo4397 Год назад

Imagine having to pay a monthly subscription for a card sorter

@Rubiksguy Год назад

Will the card corners get banged up when it hits the edges of the ramp at the top and bottom to change direction?

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Yep! The design has since been updated to negate that issue though, sorry there hasn't been an update video in a while!

@Rubiksguy Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel super excited to hear any updates

@filanfyretracker Год назад

The business models of those machines seems clearly aimed at high volume comics&games stores. I cannot unsee how much the gantry units look similar to the motion of a Voron 2.4 3D printer, It makes me wonder if something like those gantry ones could be built and driven mostly with gcode.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Yeah that's definitely their target market! And I think someone on youtube actually did a project like that!

@FZerbinatti931 Год назад

As a R&D guy this is very interesting, however I would like to have an explanation on the need of sorting, in what categories do they have to be sorted?

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Great to hear! And everyone sorts their cards differently, so sadly there is no one right answer for a machine like this. It needs to be customizable to fit whatever the user decides

@DeckEdge Год назад

Getting a magic sorter in a few weeks, if you have a specific questions or want a idea of it working ping me.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Awesome to hear, I hope you enjoy it and I'll be sure to reach out if need be

@Stranger-mg6qo Год назад

Sorting is nice and all but I feel like something that could condition the cards would be interesting. I deal in bulk and only sell NM so a condition pass/ fail machine would be epic

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Condition scanning would be great I agree, but sadly I don't think I would be able to do it well within an affordable machine

@topsykrett1744 Год назад

Seems like alot of em seem to be sorting with like TCGplayer site and probably by price and such. I always wanted one that would help me sort alphabetically by color with a pile for each rarity. Sorting by sets or price is nice but i rather just literally get all the cards just alphabetically that way i could say, "oh i want a " Sanguine Bond" so i can immediately go to the Rare black pile and search in the S sections.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks for sharing! I feel the same way, I just want to be able to quickly find the card I want from my collection.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@William Uniac Thanks for the input, number as in set number right?

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@William Uniac Cool, thanks for the info!

@nlb137 Год назад

Alphabetizing is a bit more than sorting, unless you decide to just break it into blocks by first letter; it'd have to be able to move things to the middle of the stack otherwise. Just breaking down into color and rarity piles, then break your (especially common) piles down into some more manageable chunks would be good, though.

@VoltronBuggz Год назад

I'll be following your project been wanting to buy one for years but all the current one are way outa reach for small stores and individuals that would like one simply for their collection.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Glad to hear it, I feel similarly that there should be a more affordable option!

@Kevincole87 Год назад

I want one for my personal collection

@Kevincole87 Год назад

I dont mind a pay for each update for new sets $10 a new set would be fine and will generate you constant income. The machine shouldn't break just cause you dont have the latest set update

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@Kevincole87 Thanks for the input, and I agree

@nicholasgrippo1754 Год назад

The phazbat looks like the punch card sorting machine from IBM

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

I just had to google that and you're right, it does!

@Categoryonegames Год назад

I'm looking for a card sorter that can handle out-of-print card games. Star Wars CCG, VS System, Dark Age, etc.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

As long as they all have the same outer dimensions, it shouldn't too difficult for me to add that in as a software upgrade. Once I've got machines up and running I'll definitely look to expand capabilities!

@DavidGreen-ly5tm Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel Speaking of card dimensions. Consider making the machine compatible for japanese size cards with some sort of insert or adjustement.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@DavidGreen-ly5tm Good idea, that would be a good nice-to-have

@GuthanSlayer Год назад

so how do these works and is it just for orginzation? do they sort by name, color etc? never heard of a card sorter other than maybe the casino ones. pretty interesting though

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Each one is different but yes they can generally sort by whatever attribute you choose!

@TachibanaTengoku Год назад

I wish there was a cheaper sorter for Pokemon and Digimon but sadly the only sorter I know that works for non Magic is the Roca, and no way in hell am I spending 20k.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

I've had quite a few people request support for other games as well! Assuming I can get my machine up and running for magic cards, I'll certainly be open to adding support for other TCGs.

@CitizenJohnnyRico Год назад

If you can figure out a way to make this game agnostic; maybe with some sort of machine learning capability, that would be fantastic

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

I used machine learning for card recognition in a prior video if you're interested, and multi-game support is certainly on the roadmap!

@vitortrindade5617 Год назад

The machine that only does binary matching upside is that it teaches you sort algorithms 😄

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha yep! Probably some good optimization test questions in there

@ErulianADRaghath Год назад

These machines reminds me of both a pick-n-place machine for PCB assembly and a punch card sorter like those IBM used to make for their mainframe computers. I think PhyzBatch 9000 definitely took some inspiration from punch card sorts like the one shown in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AyO3n20SpoI.html The other three are all gantry type with similarities to many pick-n-place machines. From what I can see, your project is a very intriguing in design. Though I worry about the possibility of card jamming since your machine has to match the card chute with the sorted card piles.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks for sharing! Definitely cool to see where the ideas may have come from. And yep, that's an area I'll be improving with the next iteration!

@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor Год назад

I would absolutely get one of these. But alas, I'm guessing there's no planned functionality for YuGiOh cards.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

If the project works well enough with magic cards, I'd be happy to expand it to YuGiOh!

@vxicepickxv Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel theoretically the hardest parts would be imagine recognition and the smaller size. Actually, it might be easier to sort YGO by using the set code first, then individual cards afterwards.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@vxicepickxv Yeah! It will likely be more of a software upgrade than a hardware change. It will be interesting to see how a slightly smaller card handles in the machine though

@glorring7510 Год назад

Can you please tell me how many banans the sizes are? ;-)

@TheYakousei Год назад

One device that I'd love to see someone make...: Inventory-scanner.. So cards move from one stack to another and in betweens get scanned/listed on a sheet. I could live with just correct name of the card scanning and 1000 stack - slow af... Just wish it would be automated. I can always change the stack.

@hannahscheffe5085 Год назад

Roca does that

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Awesome to hear, that would certainly be an easy-to-add software feature. I know the Cardbot does something similar I believe.

@TheYakousei Год назад

Yeah the good ones do. But as mentioned in the vid, they are expensive af in most cases. What I'd oike to see is a pure scanner. One stack in, one out. Just scan and output names. Speed, slow or fast doesn't really matter. Just needs to do that one thing and one thing only. Also seeing how this would miss a lot of the big vendor features, it would most likely be a bit cheaper.. So that even you average player could get it for their collection or group to use.

@TheYakousei Год назад

I can get a laser engraving machine for 50. It's not the best, or biggest but I can do something small with it. So this is something I'd like ro see in scanner space.. 50-100 costing minimal scanner that does output to sheet.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@TheYakousei I appreciate the insight, I agree that's a pretty common use case and would certainly help out a lot of at home collectors.

@topdeckjesus6163 Год назад

I own a magic sorter

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Awesome! Has it worked well for you?

@topdeckjesus6163 Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel Its okay. It definitely cost more than the video stated. I run into a lot of issues with but its very repairable. I find myself fixing it more that it runs lately.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@topdeckjesus6163 Thanks for sharing, I've heard similar reports both that the price is greater than I found and that is takes some repairing.

@griff_mtg6311 Год назад

I just just sorted a 5000 count box by color and alphabetized them. In two hours. Send me your bulk to be organized. Can talk about prices then 😁

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Impressive! Honestly might just send you my cards to be sorted haha

@Jorthax Год назад

Currently sorting my 5000 count boxes by colour / alphabet. I call bullshit on completing in 2 hours, particularly if you're starting from complete random.

@GeeksJocks Год назад

What is your background man. I am an engineer and would love to be part of the project.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Mechanical engineer primarily but I've got a strong background in Python & digital imaging. Thank you for the offer, I'll certainly reach out if I find myself needing help!

@davidpepin3017 Год назад

At those prices and speed, it seem to me that it is still cheaper to hire someone to do it. A human can sort cards very quickly. Good luck with your project!

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

thank you!

@rodneycrews1024 Год назад

Kickstarter? Early sub to financing.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Yes! I'll likely be launching a kickstarter for the project once I'm confident in it's function and reliability

@botteu Год назад

I know very little about MTG but isn’t there a serial number or other identification on each card? Couldn’t you use that to sort them? Seems like these commercial machines use the whole card as reference? That’s not saying much about the rest of the engineering challenges of course.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Yes! On all newer cards there is a serial number in the bottom left hand corner which can be used for card ID. Sadly though this is only a recent addition, and many older cards out there have no such indicator.

@botteu Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel thanks for clarifying and good luck with your build.

@verybignw Год назад

just curious.. how fast and accurate can a human sort cards?

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Not sure, but I bet it wouldn't be too hard to time myself doing a test run!

@kiraangle2823 Год назад

i was thinking 'i wonder if this could help me liquidate my collection in the short term' and then i heard the price

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha liquidating your collection would actually be a great way to afford one!

@kiraangle2823 Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel my collection is rather modest in comparison

@sldffguhsdlfghslkg Год назад

Will your software and designs be open sourced?

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Great question. I'm not certain about that yet but it's definitely a consideration.

@dvdcd Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel I'd love to build one if you do end up going open source!

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@dvdcd Great to hear!

@PostprandialTorpor 7 месяцев назад

Where are you getting price of $800 for Magic-sort? There’s a February 2023 RU-vid video of a Pokemon shop owner that purchased it for $2500 with shipping from UK to USA and $25/mo for updates subscription. Was $800 a rental cost instead of?

@jackbaumgartel 7 месяцев назад

This video was made in September 2022… honestly I’m not sure where exactly I found the $800 figure, public price & info on the Magic-Sorter was hard to come by in my research. Thanks for the updated info though!

@PostprandialTorpor 7 месяцев назад

@@jackbaumgartel no worries. I’m excitedly following your progress. Love the design and engineering videos. I’ve got a 40k count MTG collection of cards (pitfall of starting with revised edition as a teen) and I really need to pair down but looks like even renting a machine for a month is $2600 all in or paying someone would cost $1000 to do it by hand. There’s a market out there for good affordable sorting machines to offer for purchase or rent. Hopefully you can capture that market as for now they are mainly only viable for card shops

@GiggityGiggity_Jawn 5 месяцев назад

Any updates on your project??

@jackbaumgartel 5 месяцев назад

Yes, I'll be putting out an update video shortly!

@hoarmurath Год назад

Didn't even know this was a thing. Who is this for?

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Exactly right, or lazy collectors like myself!

@That_Eriksson Год назад

Who even knew these were a thing. TIL

@crazyanimeboy21891 8 месяцев назад

Does the machines work with digimon and yugioh?

@jackbaumgartel 8 месяцев назад

Some do, others don't! I don't remember which ones at the moment

@Sb_747 Год назад

Honestly that binary sorter is pretty bad when you consider the monthly cost of software. After you get some practice most people can beat that with little issue. If going a binary route you really gotta hit a card every 2 seconds or so to beat a human.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

It's definitely not the most efficient for physically sorting, but it does store records of card order as it goes through them, so you can query your digital collection to see exactly where a card is in the pile. Helpful for some but not something everyone wants sadly. Thanks for the comment!

@Teth47 Год назад

For what amounts to a 3D printer and a suction cup I cannot believe they want $20,000 for that thing, and the others with monthly software subs on top of being thousands of dollars? I know what those parts cost. I understand the complexities of reliably identifying cards and figuring out where to put them, I've played with machine vision and design embedded hardware for a living. There is no reason for something like even the first one to cost more than $5,000 other than that there are about 7 people in the world who are going to spend anywhere near thousands of dollars purely on the machine that sorts their collection when they could've bought like 30 boxes of cards. For a lot of my friends, organizing the cards is literally half the fun of the hobby. Edit: I forgot about people who run hobby shops. These things are still way too expensive.

@NatelCicero 10 месяцев назад

how much

@jackbaumgartel 9 месяцев назад

How much what?

@alainpbat3903 Год назад

But, what's the damage on the cards after they go through a machine?

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

From the videos that I've seen, each of the machines are pretty gentle on the cards!

@DavidGreen-ly5tm Год назад

@@jackbaumgartel ROCA's Gantry system has been known to fling cards that are stuck via static. This mainly occurs if card remain pro-fitted during the sort. Making sure they are unsleeved solves this problem but its worth mentioning as it was originally advertised as being pro-fit friendly.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

@@DavidGreen-ly5tm Thanks for the info, good to know!

@robby6382 Год назад

Wow those are expensive sorters haha

@BIN8675 Год назад

Our boss has forced a Physbatch on us and it's pretty awful. The card feeding mechanism is pathetic; jams frequently if cards are not pristine. The best operation of the machine involves having to hold your hand on top of the feeding stack and jiggling it if the feeding wheels can't grab a card.

@TCGmachines Год назад

Hello Churchmania, I'm sorry to hear you're having trouble with our machine. It sounds like something that could be easily resolved with a call to our service and support team to walk you through a gate adjustment. Please don't hesitate to reach out; we can't fix issues if we don't know about them!

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Thanks for sharing and I'm sorry to hear that! It seems like TCG Machines has already replied to you as well so I hope they can get it working for you!

@lightknightgames Год назад

Dont do multiple stacks, do 1 stack and let it place 'flags' (like in a binder or a bookmark) to act as different stack zones. More complex, but faster, more compact, 'infinite' stacks and should be less damaging.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

The cardbot uses a similar method, but then the machine has no ability to physically reorganize cards, which is kinda the entire point for me!

@andino4508 Год назад

I wish its get work

@yourwrong6125 Год назад

if you are addicted to a card game to the point you need an industrial sorter. Its time to get help.

@jackbaumgartel Год назад

Haha there are far more harmful hobbies than this one! Also the main customer base for these sorters are card shops. IE. businesses that buy and sell cards for income