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How do sailboats sail faster than the wind?? 

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In this video I try to break down the completely unintuitive manner in which (some) sailboats can actually sail faster than the wind.
I try to use some real world examples to help illustrate some examples. Speaking of illustrate, I break our some colored pencils and my amazing drawing skills to help with the "animations" in this one!
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@alansailing1387
@alansailing1387 7 лет назад
For someone who is learning how to sail, that is a really good explaination of apparent wind, well done.
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Thanks!
@tcurdt
@tcurdt 7 лет назад
The surfing analogy is fantastic. Well done.
@Joe3D
@Joe3D 3 года назад
This is the best video explaining the thing.
@KutWrite
@KutWrite 2 года назад
From my recollection, sail lift is only part of the story. The main force is two-fold: Wind against the sail and water pushing back at roughly the same force but less than 180 degrees against the centerboard and keel. If you draw a vector diagram of just those two forces, the resultant is a huge force at some angle between the two. It's the old E=MV**2, so the energy applied is at the SQUARE of the wind velocity, and it two directions. It's like holding a wet watermelon seed between your thumb and forefinger and squeezing at less than 90 degrees to get the seed to shoot out of your hand. With an ice-boat the skates provide the counter-force as a centerboard would do in water.
@coolhappy
@coolhappy 2 года назад
This guy is really good at teaching. After a dozen explanations this is the one that really clicked. Thanks!
@verynearlyaboutsailing8114
@verynearlyaboutsailing8114 7 лет назад
Great explanation. I was watching some of the America's Cup (well Louis Vuitton really) races and wondering why the boats looked like they were trimmed close hauled, but were actually going (almost) down wind. Now I understand. Thanks.
@DjayZaJay
@DjayZaJay 5 лет назад
I've been watching allot on finding how to understand this wind lifting so far your video is the best way to under stand it thank you finally got it out of my head.
@shayestevens6627
@shayestevens6627 5 лет назад
I watched several other videos about this and your simple models provided the best and easiest way to explain what's going on. Great Job!
@williamwallace176
@williamwallace176 7 лет назад
Your basic videos are pure gold for new and old sailors...Everyone will learn something.
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Thanks, we appreciate it!
@kathyshea6698
@kathyshea6698 2 года назад
Brilliant. I found you while looking for dagger board vs keel. You made it sound easy to understand. Thank you!!! I’m looking forward to seeing more of your videos.
@rickallinson202
@rickallinson202 Год назад
This is one of the best sailing vids on the net!!
@TiGGer1098
@TiGGer1098 3 года назад
Best explanation of apparent wind, and I’ve watched quite a few. The lead up about the surfer helped me understand the ice boat much better. Thank you. ‘Lightbulb moment’ Gets mentioned so many times in the Americas Cup commentary that it’s making me crazy not fully getting it.
@stephencargill8734
@stephencargill8734 2 года назад
This was the best explanation of applied wikd i can find after many hours searching..so good. Thankyou.
@trollking6111
@trollking6111 2 года назад
The surface area of the sail is what gives you propulsion energy, the surface area of the hull on the water is what resists movement. The new super fast sailboats use hydrofoils, that lift the hull out of the water, reducing friction on the water, while the enormous sails still provide enormous energy. They are turning the entire boat into a kite. These factors combined with the wind vectors that you mentioned are creating exciting new possibilities for record sailing speeds.
@pdgowin
@pdgowin 7 лет назад
Seriously geeked out watching this video. Great job explaining the wizardry!! I had no idea before watching this video. Now I have a base from which to build better understanding! Thank you!
@jeremysmith9696
@jeremysmith9696 3 года назад
I've been so perplexed by this and this is the best explanation I've ever seen regarding this. I was watching some Americas cup boats, and they're going 3-4x's the wind and I just couldn't wrap my brain around that. this was just a perfect explanation and your dog is super cute too!
@daThird313
@daThird313 7 лет назад
This is one of the best explanations for this subject that I have ever seen. I subconsciously noticed the better cuts too. Great job I know editing video can take a long time.
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Yeah. This one in particular took a while. There can actually be a lot of inputs into the video. For this one I had the goPro for slow shots, the DSLR for talking & drawing, external mic, old footage from the summer, a couple royalty free images/clips and 3rd party music very subtly in the background. I definitely am going to work towards streamlining it all.
@markpowell4701
@markpowell4701 7 лет назад
Thanks for explaining it, with the Air plane Wing example. Also, I liked the illustrations as I'm more visual. Look forward to your next sail. Happy New Year!
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Thanks Mark!
@pablorepetto2759
@pablorepetto2759 4 года назад
That was brillant! The surfer example was an eureka moment for me. I had suspected that this effect had something to do with going sideways with respect to wind, not downwards, but I hadn't figured out how going faster and faster sideways just adds a new component to the apparent wind, while keeping the original component constant.
@neilbracey9609
@neilbracey9609 7 лет назад
Thank you for putting such effort and thought into your vid! As an instructor I am always on the lookout for fresh and different ways ways of getting across a concept so as to cater for as many different learning styles as possible, and there is a lot I enjoyed. I am going to give the highest accolade an instructor can give, which is to steal some-one else's ideas and techniques! (Don't worry - I always give full credit to the source).
@benmason1980
@benmason1980 2 года назад
I've been sailing for years and never understood the power involved in apparent wind, only the angles. Thank you.
@scrammy
@scrammy 5 лет назад
I would watch you explain anything. Great analogies and fantastic job digging down to intuitive levels.
@faultierpuppy1
@faultierpuppy1 6 лет назад
i´ve planned to get a boat myself. and i really need to understand everything beforehand so thank you for this visual explonation. it helps alot. i would even be able to explain it to someone else now, thats the only way to know that i got everything
@castaway123100
@castaway123100 7 лет назад
Wonderful explanation! Thank you soooo much. I never could get my head around that.
@jeremysmith9696
@jeremysmith9696 3 года назад
right!? me either. best explanation I've seen.
@leftheart13
@leftheart13 7 лет назад
wow ... don't think I've ever seen a better or more clear explanation.... awesome guys... keep it up
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Thanks!
@marcobusch
@marcobusch 6 лет назад
OMG! Now everything makes sense to me!!! Thank you for insisting in many different examples, in the end I understood hahaha
@nicholasgermer5240
@nicholasgermer5240 7 лет назад
This guy is using great teaching methods. I learned something!
@fl0ok
@fl0ok 5 лет назад
One of the best explanations of the basic works of sailing and wind! Are you a teacher? Congrats
@isaacws
@isaacws 7 лет назад
Great explanation. For a reasoning on how you can move faster than your source, think of carving behind a speedboat with skis or a wake board. You can go the speed of the boat if you are going the same direction as the boat. When you carve back and forth, you are covering more ground hence your speed is faster over ground. Imagine an infinite length rope that would let you go at higher and higher angles to the boat pulling you. Physics is fun stuff!
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Ah yeah, interesting comparison and good point. I like having different different real world examples cause you never know whats going to click for somebody. Thanks!
@ianedmonds9191
@ianedmonds9191 3 года назад
This is actually a very good video. Big Props. Luv and Peace.
@covinhas87
@covinhas87 5 лет назад
Great explanation and very nice illustration.
@Albertkallal
@Albertkallal 3 года назад
Zero surprise that you can get a boat to go faster than the wind. Simple polar vectors to rectangular x and y components we learned in high school shows this. So boat moving faster than wind? Sure! But boat moving faster downwind in the direction of the wind? That's a huge mind job and this is stunning that this can occur!
@krisknabel
@krisknabel 7 лет назад
Awesome Video! The surfing on a wave was a perfect analogy! Looking forward to seeing what boat you guys end up getting. I'm considering the Lucia 40, but hoping to get more details on the performance from your upcoming videos before making any decisions. Thanks again for the great informative videos! Nice work!!!
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Thanks! We were pretty pleased with the Lucia 40, you'll see more in upcoming videos. We didn't have tons of wind or a "perfect" point of sail but we got it up to 7.5-8 knots a number of times which was nice.
@fabricioface
@fabricioface 3 года назад
This is the smartest explanation I saw in the last years
@toddharshbarger8616
@toddharshbarger8616 Год назад
Best explanation ive ever heard!
@douglasmontgomery6315
@douglasmontgomery6315 7 лет назад
Great job Ryan!
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Thanks!
@spicer41282
@spicer41282 7 лет назад
Nice work Ryan. You're getting better all the time...keep it going. :)
@kevin3434343434
@kevin3434343434 7 лет назад
Very high production quality, good job!
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Thanks, glad you like it!
@SleepyBoBos
@SleepyBoBos 4 года назад
Fantastic explanation!
@moniquelevesque8756
@moniquelevesque8756 3 года назад
Thank you for the very good explanation I'm new to boating
@williamthethespian
@williamthethespian 6 лет назад
Very good tutorial. Thank you.
@WavedancerWesterlyfulmar
@WavedancerWesterlyfulmar 2 года назад
Great description using alternative references
@AwangYudiAryadi
@AwangYudiAryadi 4 года назад
Thanks for the explanation. Very helpful.
@petertan3576
@petertan3576 7 лет назад
This is an incredible video!
@DonWestrick
@DonWestrick 5 лет назад
Excellent teaching! Thanks
@7000fps
@7000fps 3 года назад
Very good explanation! Even better than Veritasium in his 2021 rehashing of this principal, plus we did not have to see Bill Nye or Nille Degauze Tycosun. I love the surfing metaphor . Thank You.
@archie8944
@archie8944 3 года назад
bravo!!! i wish math teachers can explain this clearly. cheers man. keep it up.
@deeacosta2734
@deeacosta2734 3 года назад
This was exceptionally well done, especially with the 36th America’s Cup sailing foiling monohulls. 🇺🇸👍💨
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
I took a stab at trying to explain how sailboats can go faster than the wind. Hopefully this helps some folks who were wondering how it worked like me!
@dennisrubery7912
@dennisrubery7912 7 лет назад
Jessica and Ryan Adventures, The only omission I felt worth adding is the acceleration of the wind that takes place between sails. You are correct to say the boats get sucked along for the pressure drop on the leeward side of the sail is what pushes the boat over and along and not the pressure against the windward side of the sail. This leeward pressure may not only be magnified by apparent wind angle, but also by working the sails together. When trimming sails (Genoa and Mainsail) a slot is formed between the two sails. The wind traveling in the slot can accelerate increasing the negative pressure on the sails. If your slot is too wide or too narrow you do not get this acceleration and added suction or pressure.
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Hey Dennis, thanks for the comment. Good point. The physic of the interplay of the two sails is definitely something I want to learn more about. Thanks for bringing it up, I had forgotten that that was a factor in all this.
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 7 лет назад
+Dennis Rubery Yes, the foresail (headsail) and mainsail can work together like a slotted wing, making for an overall more efficient combined wing. See also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-lift_device Some high performance racing boats with wingsails deliberately maintain the relationship between the (fore and aft) wingsails for a favorable slot effect, increasing the overall performance of the wingsails.
@buildmotosykletist1987
@buildmotosykletist1987 7 лет назад
G'day Dennis, just a picky suggestion. Perhaps you should have omitted the word 'pushes' as the energy of the wind when pushing is mostly lost (perhaps explain that?). The wind sucks, draws or pulls .... OK, a bit picky but is important for serious sailors I would reckon. I'm a pilot and motor racer, not much of a sailor, yet. I liked your bringing in the compounding of air speed, yeah please do take that further. I'd be interested in a simple description I can use. I find it very difficult to explain to F1 fans why the wings have so many 'flaps' and 'slots'. You may see the relationship, although in F1 it is far more complex, and above my pay grade. But a usable description of slots would be very useful. beers, build
@dennisrubery7912
@dennisrubery7912 7 лет назад
Yes, you've gotten picky and we could dive into the aerodynamic force coefficients which would bore most to death. Bottom line if you get the slot between sails working optimally the resulting acceleration drops the pressure (suction) on the leeward side of the sails, this increases lateral pressure which translates to forwarding as a result of the keel working through the water. Many sailors over trim their sails unknowingly which for most cruisers will not change a lot as they are likely sailing on auto pilot and most auto pilots do not adjust to apparent wind angle as many may have seen watching the Vendee Globe IMOCA 60 yachts. F1 wings work under the same principal, however a great deal of the force on F1 cars is do to the underbody and the suction it creates.
@rcgldr
@rcgldr 3 года назад
Another explanation that may be helpful is to split up the apparent wind into headwind and crosswind components (relative to the boat's heading). The apparent headwind is a drag factor, while a portion of the force related to diversion of the apparent cross wind propels the boat forwards. The apparent crosswind = true wind x sin(heading relative to true wind), regardless of the boats speed. For example, with a 10 mph true wind, and a boat heading 30 degrees away from directly downwind, the apparent crosswind is always 5 mph, again regardless of the boats speed. The maximum speed is how fast the boat can travel with a 5 mph apparent cross wind. Say you have a very efficient boat, achieving 17.32 mph with an apparent crosswind of 5 mph. It's velocity made good downwind is 17.32 mph x cos(30 degrees) = 15 mph, 1.5 times the true wind speed. The other factor here is that part of the diversion of the apparent headwind is directly upwind against the true wind, slowing down the true wind (from the water's frame of reference), and slowing down the true wind is the source of the energy that propels the boat.
@TheBandit7613
@TheBandit7613 4 года назад
I got it! You're a good teacher.
@theszklanyjasio
@theszklanyjasio 5 лет назад
Great explanation ! Thank You !
@Quackalott
@Quackalott 7 лет назад
Brilliant you explain it so well, I was trying to get this concept across to my sister a while back... But failed;) I will chuck her a link to this thanks!
@PierceAlexanderLilholt
@PierceAlexanderLilholt 2 года назад
Wind makes sailing more fun! 🎉 ⛵
@AlexanderEM4840
@AlexanderEM4840 5 лет назад
Very good explanations
@danielhaglund244
@danielhaglund244 3 года назад
Well done. Apparent wind can also be explained using the analogy of a water-skier. Anyone who has tried or seen water-skiing will easily understand that the skier can can go much faster than the pulling boat. Almost what you did with the dog and skateboard :) Except you didn't turn, which wouldn't have been nice to the dog.
@stephenford7482
@stephenford7482 7 лет назад
That vid was great, clear and concise 👍
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Thanks!
@Hoch134
@Hoch134 3 года назад
[Coming here after Veritasiums video "Risking My Life To Settle A Physics Debate"] At 9:09 it finally clicked. You not only use the wind that keeps pushing you but you also catch the apparent wind to push you even more. This still seems slightly counterintuitive but it makes much more sense now.
@rcgldr
@rcgldr 3 года назад
Not quite. It's easier to see what is going on if you separate the apparent wind into apparent crosswind and apparent headwind components. The apparent headwind contributes to drag. Part of the diversion of the apparent crosswind propels the boat. For a given true wind, and boat heading, the apparent crosswind is true wind speed x sin(heading relative to wind). For example, if the true wind is 10 mph, and the heading is 30 degrees away from directly downwind, the apparent crosswind is 5 mph, regardless of the boats speed. Then the boats overall efficiency determines how fast can it travel with an apparent crosswind of 5 mph.
@jeffc6038
@jeffc6038 7 лет назад
Well done
@Evan-rx6cj
@Evan-rx6cj 7 лет назад
Great video! I really noticed the reduced number and increased quality of cuts when compared to your earlier videos. Keep it up!
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Thanks for noticing Evan. I definitely made a concerted effort to make significantly fewer cuts in this video. I wasn't sure if anyone would notice or if it'd just seem subconsciously smoother to who ever is watching. I hate having dead air time, or the "ummmmm"s and usually cut them out. But it makes the video more jumpy.
@Stephen-uz8dm
@Stephen-uz8dm Месяц назад
It absolutely IS wizardry. We are just in on the trick now.
@azkamil
@azkamil 4 года назад
Downwind but close-hauled. Mind-blown!
@andrewwhite1793
@andrewwhite1793 7 лет назад
My thought is that the sails generate aerodynamic "lift". This is creating a partial vacuum. The rate that the sails are pulled into this vacuum is not limited by the wind speed, hence the boat can sail faster than the wind. The "lift" is only generated when air is flowing across the sail, not when catching it. This is why it only works on a reach. Any comments?
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
What you say about the vacuums is true, but there's also a catch. The sails being pulled by the vacuum are attached to the boat (clearly). As the boat speeds up the apparent wind will come more and more from the front of the boat. At some point the wind will be so far forward that it'll actually slightly collapse the wing shape of the sail. But yeah, that only happens at fast speeds or if the sails are trimmed poorly. In most cases the boats drag will slow it down well before that point. And yes the "lift" effect only happens when there is wind flowing infront of the sail.
@Zooberdo
@Zooberdo 7 лет назад
😳 That will take at least 2 views to sink in. Thanks! Stated well but glad there is not a test to follow😜😎
@sagarthapa3765
@sagarthapa3765 Год назад
Beautiful
@DocScience2
@DocScience2 3 года назад
There is now a land sailing craft that can travel directly in the direction with the wind, but at more than 2 times the speed of the wind pushing them, and only using the power from the wind alone. If you have not read about it, I recommend to look it up and examine this latest working design.
@1KentKent
@1KentKent 6 лет назад
So, do windsurfers, hydrofoils, ice boats etc need lift to obtain the greater -than-wind speed, or do they simply need very little friction with a good beam reach?
@MissileGuidance
@MissileGuidance 10 месяцев назад
Thanks so much 🔥
@Pfsif
@Pfsif 7 лет назад
Great graphics !!!!!
@LoanwordEggcorn
@LoanwordEggcorn 7 лет назад
Agree. The drawings and animations were really helpful to the explanations. Well done, Ryan!
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
lol. thanks. Colored pencils for the win!
@rodellol.5349
@rodellol.5349 3 года назад
I thought the flying dutchman in the Pirates of the Caribbean being able to sail faster than the wind is magic.
@chasemixon6327
@chasemixon6327 7 лет назад
thanks! that was really good! I always felt it but didn't understand why I did what I did... :)
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Yeah, it's crazy how much of this we as humans can "feel" without really having to know what physics are at play. That being said, now that I know more about what's going on I think I'll help me feel more too. If that makes sense.
@RulgertGhostalker
@RulgertGhostalker Год назад
like shifting up to the next bicycle gear; is like sheeting in, or coming off, as the boat accelerates.
@SF-dy6hn
@SF-dy6hn 3 года назад
Pretend you want to go north. You can think of a North Eastern Wind as the sum of a Northern Wind and an Eastern wind interacting. This concept is known as vectoring. If you have a Northern Wind you can go as fast as the wind. If you have a North Eastern wind you can keep going faster because the Wind from the East is keeping your sails full even though the wind from the northern part isn't doing anything. That's because you aren't traveling North East, but just North. You relative Eastern speed is Zero. The boat takes the extra wind from the east side and converts it into forward momentum. A side effect of the conversion process is that the boat tilts, but the flotation devices on the boat counter act this force. There are blades under neath the boat that force the boat to go only forward. As you pick up speed you keep turning the sail to minimize the effect of the apparent wind generated by going forward. You can think about it as 3 different vectors. The Northern wind vector (effective only until you reach it's speed). The eastern Wind vector(effective always). And the apparent wind vector(A wind that you created by going fast and Works against you when you are traveling faster than the northern wind, this force gets stronger the faster you move and limits your speed; otherwise you could go nearly infinitely fast). You'll find in physics in general that the more extreme something is the more other outside forces will start to intervene and ruin your fun.
@bencameorn-saul7098
@bencameorn-saul7098 7 лет назад
Thanks for that. I also thought it was witch craft, especially the downwind part, but you've explained it well.
@mihai62834
@mihai62834 5 лет назад
is there a world record for watercrafts? (not talking about ice / land boats). how much faster than the wind can a boat run? how would you measure such a performance - TWS / BS or SOG?
@srki22
@srki22 3 года назад
Does this mean that you can sail opposite of the river flow when there is no wind? if you look from the reference frame of the river water you will have the wind in the opposite direction so if you can sail faster than that wind then you will move opposite of the river flow, right?
@srki22
@srki22 3 года назад
One more thing, if you can sail faster than the wind (after you pickup side speed), what if that wind is close to zero? Does that mean that you can sail even if there is no wind? (I know you cannot because of energy conservation, but I need an explanation). When you move you will have a wind from your reference frame that can make a low pressure on your sail. What I want to say is that if you look from the reference frame of the wind there is no way you can make some object move unless you have something else giving it some energy. In this case it is water. For example if a sail boat is on ice it would not work but your explanation does not mention that.
@srki22
@srki22 3 года назад
You said that drag from the water is holding them back. But if they is no drag (for example a car with a sail on ice), it could not go faster than the wind because if you look from the wind reference frame, what would give that car energy to move?
@jbkstafford
@jbkstafford 4 года назад
I clicked on dislike to look at why anyone would not appreciate this by reading the comments of those who didn’t like it. Now I know why. Me and other dummies clicking for the wrong reason. Great explanation thank you. Ah yes, I corrected to like.
@pgbrandon
@pgbrandon 3 года назад
Thank you for this video. What do you think of the recent claims that you can go faster than the wind, dead downwind? I still have a fundamental problem with it. I understand gibing downwind is faster and many boats do this when we race. But dead downwind, I still have a problem with people saying that they can go faster than the wind. Your thoughts?
@rcgldr
@rcgldr 3 года назад
It's been done, using wheels to drive a propeller for downwind, or a windmill to drive wheels for upwind. In both cases, the incoming higher speed, lower force is geared down to a lower speed, higher force (despite losses in the process), enough for the vehicles to exceed wind speed both downwind and upwind. The concept dates back to 1877 with the Brennan torpedo. Steam driven spools pulled in wires from spools on the torpedo, each of which was geared down and drove a propeller, resulting in the torpedo moving forwards while the wires were pulled backwards. With the wires attached to posts, the torpedo would travel downstream faster than the stream.
@kijetikimavi
@kijetikimavi 3 года назад
Well done..Natural teacher.. than you
@PelenTan
@PelenTan 7 лет назад
LIAR! Liar liar liar! Is too rich sailing wizards! Another good and informative video, thank you. You're explanation was actually pretty close to what I was thinking but definitely has it better set and more understandable in my head now. I can't wait to get back out on the water again. Last time I sailed I was a teenager and was going just on what felt right. I think knowing the mechanics will help!
@bigbaderek1978
@bigbaderek1978 3 года назад
I still dont get it...I get it all but how is making a wing give you times more speed..i could so 30 or 40% but 400% is nuts
@ianb4801
@ianb4801 6 лет назад
Interesting explanation but you miss the obvious one. All this fluid aerodynamics stuff seems to have come from an Italian by the name of Benoulli and everyone knows that Italians just make everything up... More seriously though, the key point you put forward is that some of the wind is used to shape the sail and it's the shape that generates lift from the rest of the wind. Remember how that ice-yacht sail can only be flattened so far before it collapses and can't generate more lift any more? You shape and position the sail to suit the apparent wind and then just hang on. Your point how it is often slower to sail dead downwind as opposed to reaching across it is important to illustrate too. Dead downwind there is no wind passing across both sides of the sail so it cannot generate lift.
@kungfusing1
@kungfusing1 5 лет назад
Ian B thank you sir, I feel like it was an amazing video but it all fell apart at the end, your additional explanation makes much more sense now. Wow it’s all pretty damned complicated though!
@BPratto
@BPratto 6 лет назад
Waterskiiers can go faster than the tow boat. It's weird and I am by know means a math wizard but it's cool and it works :) Love the video
@billywhizz26
@billywhizz26 6 лет назад
only for a burst
@brycehoen4039
@brycehoen4039 6 лет назад
Good video, good demonstrations and models, good examples. But when talking about "apparent wind" I think talking about relativity and reference points might be a more logical and universal way to explain the wind speed
@shinybaldy
@shinybaldy 7 лет назад
Nice video - just a comment about trying to use "physics sounding" nouns that misinform the uninformed. laws of conservation aren't being implicated by sailboats going faster than true wind. Conservation of energy focuses on a closed system. Sailboats don't add any energy to forces exerted by high pressure equalizing to low pressure (wind), it is just harnessing what's there.
@billmaas4294
@billmaas4294 5 лет назад
Sail acts like the wing on an airplane up wind and of course down wind they go the same speed as the wind.
@sergiyisakov5192
@sergiyisakov5192 6 месяцев назад
If wind is blowing in a direction from A to B, will you sail from A to B faster than the wind?
@DevinDTV
@DevinDTV 3 года назад
I don't think the wing shape of the sail really matters here. Even just angle of attack would explain this.
@hahahhlmaonoob9731
@hahahhlmaonoob9731 5 лет назад
You revealed our secret?! How could u :(
@sportpilot2
@sportpilot2 7 лет назад
Excellent explanation and I love the analogies(It's how I learn/remember myself). As a private pilot interested learning to sail, this is very interesting to compare to an airplane wing. It brings me to a question of laminar flow and wing planform of the sails. My questions are simple and purely for my understanding. Do Sails have tells on both sides( Presume so but want to confirm). If so, do they(the tells on opposite sides of the sail) mirror each other or do they point in different directions. Finally, I presume you trim sails based on the tells on the inside of the sail. As a side note, aviation designers use tells on aircraft during flight testing to "see" a stall of the wing. They cover the airplane with tells and you can watch this here. [ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LmK7EcC1WNM.htmlm12s] . This is similar to what happens when a sail luffs.
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
Interesting video. Having that many tells is shows a lot of whats happening. On a sail they do have tells on both sides. One reason is that depending on which tack you're on, port vs starboard, you'll have different side of the sail as the low pressure zone. But you can & do trim by watching both the inside tells when trimming. When properly trimmed, the tells flow in the same direction on the inside & outside of the sail. The really rough rule of thumb is to trim in the direction of the misbehaving tell. So if the inside tells aren't flowing aft then you need to pull it in. If the outside tells are acting up then you need to let it out some. If you're not sure then the adage "when in doubt let it out" works well. There are also some more advanced trimming you can do if the bottom tells are flying nicely both inside and out, but then the top tells act up. If that's the case then you can modify the sail's twist to help by adjusting the jibsheet cars for the Jib or easing the mainsheet and adjusting the traveler for the Mainsail. We're still learning & figuring out the more advanced trimming techniques so maybe someone else can give a better answer. But that is how I understand it as of my learnings so far.
@sportpilot2
@sportpilot2 7 лет назад
Thanks for the reply.
@SVInLikeFlynn
@SVInLikeFlynn 7 лет назад
I think a better word for drag should be displacement. Most sailboats that need to displace the volume of water they are sailing thru will never sail faster than true wind. The best example of sailing faster than the wind I like to use is a windsurf board. A windsurf board can get up on a plane, meaning only the aft part of the board is in the water reducing the drag, or displacement of water. With15 knots of wind, I can windsurf about 25 knots. On my displacement sailboat, a Sabre 34 I need at least 10 knots to get moving along at 5 knots. And of course the new toy on the water are hydrofoils, that get the entire craft out of the water. Excellent points otherwise.
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
+SV In Like Flynn yeah good point. In my mind I equate greater displacement with greater drag. But that doesn't mean someone who is less familiar with sailing would realize that.
@VigilanceTech
@VigilanceTech 3 года назад
So what you're saying is the surfer can get to where the wave is going significantly before the wave gets there. That doesn't really make any sense without over unity. Not saying it's not true, just that it doesn't make any sense with the currently understood laws of thermodynamics.
@rcgldr
@rcgldr 3 года назад
If trying to use a surfer on waves as an analogy, imagine a continuous series of waves and a surfboard with low drag. The surfer goes cross wave to gain speed, turns down wave and uses the momentum to catch the next wave, turns cross wave to gain speed again, and so on, approaching the shore faster than the speed of the waves. For the sailboat tacking with a downwind component faster than the true wind, the sail boat is continuously catching up to the wind that was ahead of the boat before the boat intercepted that parcel of air.
@VigilanceTech
@VigilanceTech 3 года назад
@@rcgldr yeah, but you see, in most instances, the wind against the sail is continuous, not in waves. I think something else is going on here, like some sort of phase change, not between gas and liquid, but between one gas state and another, utilizing something akin to Viktor Schauberger "implosion technology"
@rcgldr
@rcgldr 3 года назад
@@VigilanceTech - I am trying to make an analogy between a series of waves and a series of parcels of air. Similar to calculus, consider the limit as the size of the parcels of air decreases with an corresponding increase in the number of parcels, where the limit is a continuous stream of infinitely small parcels. For the sailboat, the two media are the air and the water, with the air moving with respect to the water. As an example where both media are the air across a shear boundary behind ridge, a crosswind separated by shear boundary to essentially still air (it's turbulent, but essentially still). Using specialized radio control gliders, designed to take over 100 g's, the current speed record with 65 mph gusts is 548 mph. Put this video on full screen in order to track the glider once it is up to speed. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4eFD_Wj6dhk.html
@SailingQuicksilver
@SailingQuicksilver 5 лет назад
Also airbender
@nickbenfell4327
@nickbenfell4327 7 лет назад
Good explanation but...... the easiest way to explain this I feel is just by using vectors. Still if you don't have a mathematical /mechanical mind it is not simple to get your head around.
@donmcnabb6942
@donmcnabb6942 7 лет назад
If you two can't save enough for your cat in time would the two of consider crewing next fall to get to your goals? Sort of half speed but at half way there. Just like true vs apparent wind speed. Lol. Remember - I'm 50 so i couldn't steal Jessica from you. Maybe the safest place in the Caribbean for you to hide your treasure. Harr lol. You two seem like you'd make it fun. You follow delos, LA Vagabonds, uma, follow the wind, etc... They all seem to be having a great time.
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
+Don McNabb lol. I don't think we'd be against crewing. It could be a good option. We're gonna try everything we can to get a cat by fall time. But, you never know. Worst case scenario crewing might be a really good idea. :)
@prophetsspaceengineering2913
@prophetsspaceengineering2913 3 года назад
Thx for letting me sleep again! I watched this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jyQwgBAaBag.html and just couldn't get behind the concept at all. Your explanation finally made me understand. Thank you so much.
@TheSkystrider
@TheSkystrider 3 года назад
I get the surfer goes faster due to wave speed + gravity bit I don't get how the ice boat goes faster than the wind at 90deg just by low pressure zone. I like to understand a lot of science and physics but boy this one is not intuitive to me.
@buildmotosykletist1987
@buildmotosykletist1987 7 лет назад
Hint. Some old blokes, like me don't (or now, didn't) know what a "like" button is so we just go 'huh?' but if like La Vagabond you say "Thumbs Up" silly old blokes go "oh, yeah, I'll help you" ... click. Also do it last as silly old blokes forget. beers, build
@jandradventures
@jandradventures 7 лет назад
lol, thanks for the tip, we'll be sure to call it that from now on. :)
@SailingQuicksilver
@SailingQuicksilver 5 лет назад
I prefer sailing ninja.. But sailing wizard sounds sweet...
@theancienteternaloaktree
@theancienteternaloaktree 3 года назад
This is way too complicated. You just need to think about it in aeronautical terms. The boat gets thrust from the sail/windfoil system through the mast. Your boat speed is a product of the thrust of the sail/windfoil, limited by the drag/friction of the hull, in regular boats, or ice blades in ice sailers, or hydrofoils in Cup boats. So, as long as the friction is low enough, and the thrust is still being applied to the craft through the sail/windfoil/mast, you will have a terminal velocity related to that thrust/drag ratio. You can generate pretty much any amount of thrust you want, at very nearly any reasonable wind speed, by design of your sail/windfoil to that spec. What is hard, is then structurally supporting that sail/windfoil, and putting it on a craft with low enough drag and mass, that it reaches the designed terminal velocity goal. So it's thrust to drag ratio which is important. Not really wind speed.
@evanpenny348
@evanpenny348 2 года назад
Actually you can go faster than the dog. If you tack left and right behind the dog you must be going faster than her. If the dog can adjust for the pull of the leash going left and right behind her while still keeping her line ahead you can theoretically get any desired speed faster than her. Good explanation, anyway.
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