How Do You Deal With Unconscious People? 

i would say just make the effort to stay present and watch your own pain body.. then everythign else will sort itself out with no problem! trying to not be judgemental or understand someone may just be more mental noise.. i dont think you can really force it. If you are totally aware you will naturally be the best you can be no need to TRY to be better.. aside from just awareness and watching your pain body.

True I have found when you try and tell someone they are wrong it isn't them it is you as you feel you know better which is just another form of feeling superior in some way. When you get to understand that everything is working as it should in a self governing system and that everyone succeeds eventually there is no need to tell anybody anything. BE the example you wish to see is the most powerful thing anybody can possibly do. When you work on yourself and drop your fears you do become more powerful and if you see people who have dropped most of if not all their fears they are most powerful beyond measure. .

Same here too. Always thought it wasn't the ego, just me being good and trying to help, but it always pulled me back unconsciousness. Buddha was sitting at a park, meditating and talking with lots of people when an old man came to him and started shouting and asking: "Why are you telling us this? Why should i believe you? Who do you think you are?" And the buddha takes a rock and answered: "Lets imagine this rock is hate. I'm going to put this in a box, tie it up and make it a present. Now I'm going to give you this present, but you know it's going to be hate that I'm giving you, so you don't take the present. Who's present is it then?"

Ryan Quaresma Articulated very well.

Plant a seed and walk away :)

Tamara Omcikus 'Willful ignorance' exists, though, doesn't it?

Yes, when my wife is struggling she will bring up insane demands or claims if I don't react. "We can't be together unless you manage these four difficult things at once." or "You need to pay me money even if you cant afford it, because im struggling right now". I keep not reacting or paying attention, and she goes almost crazy and aggressive, then calm and gives up. Then we can walk into nature and she will blossom up and become conscious again. But if I were to appease her, she would be happy for a little while, then instantly flare up again with some insanity. Yes, I am living with an unconscious person. It isn't easy.

Nikos Antzoulatos how does one stay present?

by becoming extremely alert and not letting the others negative energy pull you in their drama

Cronos090693 yes that's one technique and there might be other techniques too.

@ The Forms: I strongly admire your strength of consciousness. In a word, inspiring. (Standing ovation from crowd ensues). :O]

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Cognitive Dissident wouldn’t you be acting out of ego yourself thinking you are there to save them, or by having a “they’re wrong you’re right” mentality?

agreed :)

+FocusReborn I've just had a long time friend holiday in my adopted city half way around the world. He suffers from BDP, will do nothing about it and his daily binge drinking worsens it. I completely agree with what you say. He left yesterday for another country to visit another friend. I didn't even say goodbye and won't suffer his viciousness any more. We each have our own self esteem too (not ego), and I'm tired of him. They never change. Let them be.

tamsinthai Trying to change them will just bring you down. You're right - let them be.

+FocusReborn Maybe you are attacking them with your words.

Moni That's what THEY say. I agree with Focus Reborn. Let them be. I've felt a great weight lifted when I finally jettisoned mine. Nothing I've said or done over the past twenty years has made a jot of difference. It's in their own heads and their problem. When do people get to take responsibility for themselves? I'd really like Eckhart to talk about THAT.

Exactly. Biggest ego trip is getting rid of the ego.

You reminded me of a chocolate cake when i read this comment. Yum

If I loved someone I wouldn't go around calling them sick or unconscious. If I had a small ego I wouldn't want to appear as though I had the biggest ego ever.

I think of it like a 5 year old. A 5 year old can only understand so much but they deserve patience & kindness. Essentially they have not evolved - so they are "young".

and what if they interrupt you, disrespect you and then freak out because you told them the truth?

+James He makes this very clear in the opening chapter of "A New Earth." He doesn't claim to have originated any of these ideas.

+James it's nice that he has the ability to connect with the people of this Modern Age or as thousands of years ago the Buddha used language that allowed his people to understand what he was saying by using the language of the time

Abir Tarafdar there are plenty of others. Just have the intent to find them and they shall appear.

Benjamin Berry these people are all simply messengers of the universal laws of nature. They didn't invent them, just observed them and started consciously working with them just as the Buddha did and countless people before him.

I have listened to Eckhart for 3 years, and been completely conscious. I am in the process of doing the same again. But let me promise you something; he is a fallible human just like anyone else. Not everything he says is correct, or even moral. *Never let a human lead you or be an absolute authority for you.*

Absolutely agree. Love your comment!!

If I didn't want to appear judgemental or superior, I would have asked something like "How to tell people about this awesome thing they've been unconscious of?"

Great comment so true :-)

Thank you

Mel Finehout The world is better when we don't judge each other or ourselves for that matter. One must get out of their heads and into their hearts to find their spirit in light.

C Melanso I agree absolutely with your grandma!

Also, past life experiences that we bring with us to this one unknowingly. They help spear us forward, or keep us back.

For me it wasn't really seeking spiritually per say but just questioning life then having some really hard times was what first gave me what you could call a spiritual awakening and the seeking of that was deepened by my curiosity as well as a psychedelic experience I had

Brigitte Belle me too!!! Good info to have when you have loved ones with mental illness!!!

Brigitte Belle me too! :D

and what is it about how he say that that makes you love it? i believe i had the same fortune in a cookie last night at suzie wong's resteraunt. it wasn't particularly insightful then and it isn't now so maybe you can enlighten me on what exactly is so profound about that statement?

the law of resonance

Our consciousness and their consciousness is actually one and the same. But many of us have a you-them duality.

Jenny Jig if you cant handle them then distance yourself, simple

Not to say this is you, but for me, I really do have to prioritize where my attention - and physical presence - is focused. Yes, you are right to question this. For some, perhaps Eckhart, perhaps some of these commenters, it is no problem. For me, making a heart-felt and soul-inspired choice to allow that person to be, that's the ultimate! That doesn't mean I should "be" with them, or that they don't need to deal with the earthly consequences of their conditions - such as rehabilitation . I do not believe jail helps anyone, not our US jail system! Mental health, infused with compassion and spiritual awareness, is what so many need. We are learning here, on this earth. For those of us who feel that sense of danger, we must heed it, and remember that we are All on the Path. That's my experience. Others can walk into the fire, and I am thankful that they can. I'm still healing and happier than I've ever been, much calmer and less fearful, less angry, etc. Blessed be*

Well said....thank you. 🌸

Great insight and question! I face this all the time in my spiritual direction practice with people who are in relationships with such folks. I say we first have to keep ourselves from reacting in a way that is harmful to our well being. Then, realize that whatever happens to us can be an invitation to spiritual growth. I agree that we cannot allow ourselves to be destroyed by anything. So, rather than say, "I don't need this!" say, "I don't want this," which is totally legitimate. Then put the "don't need" on a shelf until you can safely reflect on what you can learn from the interaction or the person. Perhaps view others as observation, of them, of your responses, of what you can transform in yourself/your reactions, to keep growing and being more conscious.

I would worry more about the sociopathic society we live in

Billy lol👍

Simon0 you can do it and you have what it takes! We all do, otherwise our soul wouldn't have chosen this journey. What I started doing when I have to deal with someone being rude, I focus on my natural breath (not altering it), following the inhale and exhale. This allows me to stay present instead of getting worked up about the situation. What this is doing is connecting the conscious and unconscious mind and my emotion of anger flows through me and fades away. If you keep your focus and awareness on your natural breath in that moment, that state of present-ness (presence?) is you being conscious!

Simon0 Your not alone in this. It's tough to know and see your own unconsciousness but still be bound by it. Compassion for others perhaps has to include yourself.

Simon0 I hear ya!!! I have a family member with mental illness...not easy

Give it a try, SimonO by paying attention to your anger, why it's being triggered by this person. Don't tell yourself to practice spiritually by allowing this person to be present with you, but practice spiritually toward yourself. True practice of spirituality is being yourself and when you can't find a way to be yourself while in the presence with another person, the choice is either change your own attitude while interacting with that person, or distance yourself from that person and than change your attitude after finding emotional balance. You can always make a new choice and get in touch with that person, if that's what feels right. It's okay to say to someone that you can't cope with the situation you find yourself in with that person. Going in details isn't helpful probably, for it's sprouting arguing. Just be honest in making a choice to choose for yourself and leave dealing with it to the other person.

+TheOmnipresent12 They most certainly don't 'charge ' me up. Exhaust/disappoint/upset, yes. Walk away.

Two years later it is interesting for me to look back not so long ago when I was less conscious and had much to learn. I think you are right. Really there is no way they add to our 'charge'. However, it is important to remember that at least they don't *reduce* our 'charge' *assuming that one has a better grasp of consciousness*. It is only my ego that will become charged (via unconsciousness) if people exhaust, disappoint or anger me. And sometimes they still do! But of course, this is when I am more contained by unconsciousness than empowered by it's opposite. The strength lies in becoming conscious for the greater part of each minute/hour/day/month... however you wish to gauge it, its all relative. I like to think of it as strengthening my consciousness muscles. It doesn't really take 'work' though like strengthening muscle groups at a gym. *The great thing is that it only takes constant and alert attention!* I've still got a long way to go though I certainly spend much more time being conscious than unconscious throughout the last few years. The consciousness muscles had atrophied so rehabilitation and recovery is needed each day. I hope others will check their 'consciousness muscles'. Amongst humankind it's crystal clear that this muscle group is in desperate need of exercise and attention in these so called 'modern' times. Most of us neglect this aspect of our lives. Atrophied conscious muscles is in plague proportions IMO. This may well be the 'disease' that kills us all... the 'superbug' theory that is often bantied around by those in the medical, biological and scientific fields. Might sound like I lean to the left as I reread the above. Truth is I don't.

+Yuset Suarez looking at her, i don't really think she looks 'enlightened' but of course I can't say for sure

Yuset Suarez Yuset Suarez Completely agree! It seems plausible (I read it somewhere) that enlightenment is not something that you attain and then thereafter have, permanently. It is something that may ebb and flow--like everything else in this world.

You can tell by looking? I thought that before but for me, it didn't work at all. She never said she was, but I honor her for being aware of herself enough to ask the question of Eckhart! Blessed be*

YES!!! Thank you for sharing your enlightened thoughts!

+Moni So true!

yea but maybe she deals with ass holes or bullies. or douchebags regularly

***** yeah but its hard to accept that she's not different from those assholes that she meets

+50kT good point. She might work for politicians. We don't know.

+Moni "already divided herself" ??? Of course, in the early stages it's impossible not to. As you become aware of the observer, all ego - those of oneself and those of others - become more readily apparent. That's all she's referring to - that recognition. "therefore it will be an impossible task" ??? no, not at all. it's a process for most. why would you impose such a conclusion on her? You cannot possibly tell the future for her or know what is in her mind and heart. That's massive ego and arrogance on your part. She is asking the right questions. That's all any of us can do.