I can picture a box magazine with eyeballs popping up your computer screen. Maybe this needs to be a thing for a first person shooter. Where Clippy guides you through the tutorial. Like a clip guides ammo into a magazine.
This clippy is looking for a job. See the vid " Clippy " on the channel " Guy Collins Animation " and just for completeness, tons of references in this one " Voyager "
Mosin Nagants do not have clips, they have ammo storage and organization devices which can sometimes, occasionally be used to load the rifle if the stars align correctly.
They also aren't firearms but rather combustion rituals which may or may not succeed in propelling a projectile in the general direction of your enemy.
-I loaded my clips with the rims oriented as they would be the in magazine, making my clips directional. -Then I would pull up on the top round as I pushed down with my thumb. -Then by the time the sacrificial goat was done burning, the rounds usually went where they were supposed to. -Usually.
The swiss clip was firs designed for black powder rounds that had grease on the cartridge neck. To protect that grease they developed this kind of clip. And for logistic they just sticked to it as they had already the pouches to store them and the cost of changing everything was not worth it. They had their rifles have a cut to accept a mauser form/style clip of their design.
Possibly. But would imagine that a moon clip would be too light. Hira (star) Shuriken need sharp points not sharp edges. You want an edge but it should be dull enough so you don't cut yourself when pulling it out of a pocket.
@@jennoscura2381 to solve the lightness problem how about making it for a large revolver, like the mk32a1 semiautomatic 40mm granade launcher? (At that point it is a frisbee)
I love triggering people by saying "We need another clip for the ak." and then having them correct me only to watch in confused horror as I stuff my 5.45 magazines with tacticool clipazines like a madman.
When I was in boot camp we had a "combat" rifle range exercise where we humped out about ten miles into the hills of Pendelton to shoot at targets from behind barricades and pretend door and window frames. Fun, except for that it was about 40°F and drizzly. I was picked to be in the party that filled magazines. I don't know how many stripper clips I went through but the temperature also kept me from knowing how cut to ribbons my clumsy, numb fingers got from the process. A hint on how cold and miserable it was is that they sent containers of hot soup out to us and cattle cars to bring us back to the main base. Once I warmed up a bit, oooooh, the fingers!
@@RealCadde Luxury! We used to have to get out of the lake at six o'clock in the morning, clean the lake, eat a handful of hot gravel, work twenty hour a day at the mill for tuppence a month, come home, and Dad would thrash us to sleep with a broken bottle, if we were LUCKY!
@@Mishn0 I used to have to wake up half an hour before I went to bed, and then spend twenty-nine hours a day at the mill - I had to pay the mill-owner for the privilege - and when I got home my mum and dad will kill me and dance on my grave singing "hallelujah". You tell the kids nowadays and they don't believe you.
I'm guessing he limited the loading demonstrations due to regulations and/or safety. He seems to have filmed it in his house and only loaded bolt action "safe" rifles, hard to have an accidental discharge with those, not so sure about the Mauser C-96. Don't know either if he had a C96 clip on hand too.
A friend of mine had a red-9 broomhandle Mauser. At the time, original factory stripper clips were unavailable and 5.56 strippers were still very uncommon (late 60's) but worked fine if you could find them.
@@Joshua_N-A A stripper clip only cares about the rim size. And they are pretty close (since the diameter of a 5.56mm cartridge is 9mm), whether they work would depend on tolerances but seems reasonably likely a 9mm NATO cartridge would fit in a 5.56mm NATO stripper clip.
Thanks, Ian, for this much-needed lesson in distinguishing between clips and magazines. Please take the concept a step further in a future video, and explain/demonstrate the difference between bullets and cartridges.
@@BogeyTheBear lol but as someone who does know what makes up a round Bullet/case/primer/propellent (not in that order) I reserve the right after i slip up and call it a bullet to accuse anyone of being semantic before correcting myself
"I already know the differences between clips and magazines." *Watches video anyway and still learns something while finding it interesting* Thanks, Ian!
He meant internal magazines! Guns like the mosin have an internal spring that is considered the magazine. You insert the clip into the gun, and push the rounds inside the internal magazine.
Good point. Circular magazines like that on a lewis gun don't need springs either, do they? (I know the lewis mags had springs to add "floors" but if it where a single stack it wouldn't need them I think)
When I was in the police academy in the early 90's, at firearms training on the sig p226, if you called the magazine a clip, it cost you a box of donuts for the instructors. I only said it once.
Oh those clips, I remember being resupplied by air in Vietnam, in the middle of a prolonged firefight, only to have to hunker down to load magazines, scrambling to find intact clean mags to load under fire.
I would guess that the confusion between the nomenclature of clip versus magazine, probably occurred sometime around the changeover from the m1 to the M14. When soldiers were issued magazines, they probably still continued to call them clips since that's what they were used to. I have nothing to back this up, but it just seems like it makes sense.
highly likely, you can describe the basic booot with many adjectives, smart is not one of them. We were dumb as shit, and I think they are still to this day. The magic of the infantryman.
I hear that the term “lock and load” became a standard phrase for loading a weapon because that was from the manual of arms for the M1. There must have been millions of city boys around WW2 whose only experience with firearms was with the M1 when they were serving.
The "Swedish-K" had a 6x6 (36 rounds) stripper clip (like 6 single Mauser stripper clips fused together forming a square base) used together with a (really simple) speed-loader to fill a magazine with 36 rounds in seconds without ever failing or causing problems. Used it as a conscript. The ammunition came in a wax-sealed cardboard box and and each box filled a magazine. I remember that system as being really nice and well thought out.
Yes, it really worked like a charm. I still have everything but the kpist itself, the speedloader really helps when you get 39B and have to strip them from the clip in order to single-load another magazine.
One of the best gun accessories I own is a Strip Lula for STANAG mags. Every time I go to a gun show now I look for 5.56 stripper clips and load them when I'm bored. Makes loading mags a breeze and it's so fast. Super handy on the range.
For the Swedish K-pist m/45 there were clips with 36 rounds, 6 rows of 6, that with a special magazine loader tool made it quick and easy to load the 36 cartridge magazines.
I really like the "How does it work" videos. I don't know much about guns. I am mainly here because Ian has an excellent way of presenting hisgory through a, for me, novell perspective.
Probably heard you say it dozens of times now, but every time I hear "Garand" instead of "Garand" I'm reminded why I started watching your vids in the first place. Cheers from Michigan, Ian!
A follow up to the presentation Ian did 8 years ago on the same subject. Jesus, I can't belive I've been following this channel for almost 10 years now.
@@HappyBeezerStudios Yeah, I knew most of the stripper clips, I've used an SKS clip before myself so that was was obvious to me. I hadn't seen the Mosin clip before but it was a reasonably educated guess that that was what it was given that the two next to it were the Lee Enfield and the Gewehr 98. I didn't do as well on the EnBlock clips though, although I patted myself on the back for knowing the Mannlicher M95 one!
The M-14 and M-16 magazines had an adaptor to load the stripper clips. It fitted to the rear of the magazine. To speed up the process and “save” our fingers we would put the stripper clips into the attached adaptor and press the stripper clip against an ammo box or other hard object to drive the rounds into the magazines.
I once owned a Springfield Armory M1A . I had a few magazines and the green canvas bandolier with stripper clips in cardboards . When I was in the navy the M14 was our fleet service rifle . I didn't know about the green bandoliers until I EAOSed and bought the M1A .
One thing you forgot to note It's nearly impossible to load most enblock guns without the clip if it is missing Where as on mauser style clips you can still feed the rounds 1 at a time if clips are not available but ammunition is That's why most countries used mauser style
@@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR Some of them, it doesn't really work with a M95 so without a clip you're essentially upriver in a small stream and lacking a boat propulsion device.
@@FLVCTVAT_NEC_MERGITVR A lot of rifles don't have an extractor that can do that safely. A lot of extractors are designed to have the tail of the cartridge come up from below, when the bolt frees the next cartridge to rise up into the feed lips, and will quickly break if repeatedly forced over the back of the cartridge already in the chamber.
The term 'magazine' was used as the function name for the facility to store ammunition, in the days prior to cartridges, the magazine was where powder was stored. When firearms for cartridges were introduced, the part holding the ammunition - not in the chamber - was also called the magazine. What is not mentioned about the Mannlicher clip or 'en bloc loading device' is the device becomes part of the magazine when in use. It has the feed or control lips (to direct the loaded cartridge into the chamber, and also holds the rounds in place (as the walls of a conventional magazine does).
As someone that gets scolded by my more knowledgeable friend on firearms terms, this was a godsend. Thank you! I love your channel and thoroughly enjoy when you discuss the engineering of weapons and what worked and what didnt.
3:51 SKS stripper clips are most excellent for carrying an extra ten .38/.357 rounds. You can use them like a old school Bianchi Speed Strip for reloading revolvers.
"I'm Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons, and hopefully that has answered some of your questions about clips." I'm sure most of his viewers didn't have any question about clips when they clicked on this video, they just wanted to listen to Ian ramble about geeky subjects
What would the delineation be between a clip and a feed strip like in the Hotchkiss M1909 Benét-Mercié? That a feed strip has to hold each cartridge individually?
Anyone else enjoying the novelty of actual ammunition on FW? I love the content, and I get why live rounds aren't usually incorporated, but damn it's cool to see!
I know that semantics are a bottom less discussion in this case; but I always felt the simplest explanation of the two is: A magazine is the part of the weapon that contains additional rounds for feeding; a clip is a device for loading multiple rounds into a magazine at once. This encompasses all common types of magazine, including detachable magazines, fixed internal magazines, tube magazines, and so on. Also reflects the broader definition of magazine, as used in ships, forts, etc. I suppose it's just an elaborate way of saying, clips load the magazine; magazine feeds the gun.
My dad was a WW2 Marine, if I called a magazine a clip I'd either get a lecture or he'd just pretend he hadn't heard me until I used the right wording. Now I do it to people :)
I don't even feel bad about this anymore. I'm a small arms repairer in the Army and I get frustrated when people thing that magazines and clips are interchangeable.
I'm surprised that you didn't show a stripper clip for the M-16. When I worked in a gun store, I more than once, heard customers complain about bulk 5.56 ammo coming on "these metal things" and how it's a pain to take the rounds off them to load into AR-15 "clips."
This has been a Public Service Announcement. Seriously, the terminology is so muddled and incorrect sometimes. Thanks Ian for showing some beautiful examples!
My memory is far from perfect, but I'm certain I remember major characters in Walker, Texas Ranger referring to "50mm" when they meant the .50cal machine guns on a P51 Mustang.
Kpist 45b speed loader. 36 rounds in a few seconds. 6 stripper clips with 6 rounds each put together as one unit and a special plunger that fits over the top of the magazine. You put the clip in the side of the speed loader, tilt it all a little then press the plunger 6 times and you're fully loaded.
I think you mean Kpist m/45 .. and the ammo is called 39B (steel jacketed 9x19) I was just wondering why Ian didn't show the 36 round stripper Chips, and the speed loader , then it occured to me he might not have access to swedish military ammunition.. maybe I should send him a 36-round clip? ;)
@@AndersLiebenholtz 45B,( thank's for the correction) some of the 45's had the Finnish mag and didn't use that loader, they had another one where you had to load it, round by round, with a special plunger. And the 39b had tombak plating over the steel jacket.
I like clips for loading my magazines, saves time at the range and isn't fiddly. I find it wild that people have decided to seemingly more widely appreciate those goofy wood style magazine loaders instead of GI stripper clips/spoons.
Nice as always Ian, the best clips in the world, the E-clip , the one used in the Garand it fits perfect over the rear sight on a H&K G3, and there are no funny shadows in the rear sight drum, shooting at day with various light conditions . ( maybe for you to try out ) 🤠👍💥💥💥💥💥
Not only are they 100 rounds, they're fully semi automatic assault clips. Please force every "news" agency to watch this video as a primer on how to not sound like a complete twat.
With the rimmed 303 clips we were trained to keep the first, third and fifth round low to prevent a rim lock. The clip for 9mm looks interesting. I always hated the tedious process of loading the double stacked box of the Gustav SMG.
Semantically, it's not a "Clip," but you can say "I need a Clip!" You can also say "I Need a Magazine!" or "I'm out!" but in some ways it's like saying Whiskey Tango Foxtrot over the radio. You can "Well actually" in the comments, but if you're in a firefight, and your buddy needs a "Clip," you throw him a Magazine, and then debate semantics after the firefight. If you want to be an asshole on the Range, you throw him an Empty one, and joke that he didn't say he needed Ammo. Likewise, rappers said "Clip" in lyrics. They could say Magazine, but then they would have to rework the whole rhyme. Let's call the whole thing off...
You can carry a shit ton (Standard Imperial shit-ton, not Metric Shittonne) more ammo in clips than you can magazines. You can carry more in box magazines than you can in Drum Magazines. So, loading up, or ordering off of "Cheaper than Dirt," you kinda have to weigh how much you're expecting to need in a firefight, to get to Cover, where you can safely reload. I just watched a Hickock45 video on "How accurate is full auto?" Where he put a 60 round drum into a 55 gallon drum at "Whites of the eyes" range. That's great, but that drum lasted 4 seconds. How much ammo did you bring? Well, actually, he fired 160 rounds in about 10 minutes. That's about 1 belt of machinegun ammunition+a Brady Ban magazine. I'd rather carry 1 belt than 2 drums, and a banana clip.
Another way to think of the difference, is to think of other examples of each word. Magazines contain/store things. A magazine on a battleship stores the munitions. A clip holds things together, but is always carried/contained somewhere else. A money clip holds your bills together, but you still carry it in your pocket.
Some gun people get VERY upset when they hear people call a magazine a clip. I'm a lot more chill about it. I'm sure there are lots of comments below with angry or sarcastic or funny comments about this. :)
I took my friend to the shooting range to shoot my Sig P229 and my Sig MCX a few years ago. She said “why do You need a 30 round clip”? I said as far as I’m aware there is no such thing as a 30 round clip that exists today.
There's a 36 round clip for kpist m45. If I remember correctly a guy who's name might be haggebänke has a video on how to load a magazine with a speedloader.
@@Kvistor, I always thought a clip and a speed loader were two different things. Clips allow you to load a gun with an internal magazine or allow you to load a gun without removing the magazine. While speed loaders you have to remove the magazine from the gun to load the magazine.
