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Sunngård Automatic Pistol: 50 Rounds in 1909 

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Harald Sunngård was Norwegian inventor in the early years of the 20th century who noticed a common perceived weakness of automatic pistols: reloads under stress were often bungled by shooters, leaving them vulnerable to return fire without being able to shoot back. Doing the classic inventor thing, Sunngård figured out a solution to the problem - a two-part solution, in fact. The first part of his solution was to use a big magazine and a small cartridge, to maximize magazine capacity. The second part of his solution was to store a spare magazine right in the magazine well of the pistol for immediate use.
The grip of the pistol is long enough front-to-back to store two identical magazines. The front magazine sits higher than the rear one, and the boltface on the slide feeds rounds from the front magazine into the chamber. Once the front magazine is empty, the shooter ejects it, and need only slide the rear magazine into the front position (and rack the slide) to continue shooting. There is a misconception that the pistol will fire automatically from both magazines in succession, but this is not true.
In addition to having the handy spare available, Sunngard designed the magazines to hold no fewer than 25 cartridges each (in the more common 6.5mm chambering). This gave the pistol a total of 50 rounds stored on-board, which was a major point in Sunngard’s marketing.
The 6.5mm cartridge designed for the pistol had a 23mm overall length, and used a 19mm case. The projectile was a scant 28.5 grains (1.85 gram), and Sunngard claimed a muzzle velocity of just under 2000 ft/s (600 m/s) - which is almost certainly an exaggeration. There was also an 8mm version of the pistol made in much smaller numbers, which fired an equally light projectile (29gr / 1.88g), and may have gotten closer to the claimed velocity (magazines for the 8mm version held 18 rounds each).
The main magazine catch is basically a heel release on the front edge of the magazine well, and it is pushed back in the typical manner to allow the primary magazine to be removed. Then the rear magazine is pulled slightly forward and down as if to remove it from the gun. The rear magazine is then slid forward into the front position and pushed back up to lock into place on the magazine catch. A pair of small guides at the top of the magazine well prevent the magazine from being pushed backwards into the now-empty space for the spare magazine, and these guides are the reason the spare mag must be pulled down and then pushed back up. When initially loading the pistol, the spare magazine is inserted first, and locked back into its compartment. Then the primary magazine is inserted just like in any other pistol.
Sunngard apparently tried hard to market the pistol to a variety of military forces, but found no takers. He was able to get the gun entered into the 1914 Norwegian military trials, where it was bested by the Colt 1911 (we don’t have a testing report from the trials, which would be very interesting to read). If I had to guess based on the general attitudes of the day, I would suspect that Ordnance officers found the reloading process awkward, the cartridge underpowered, and the need for a very high capacity pistol unconvincing.
Mechanically, the Sunngard is pretty simple. It uses a plain blowback action, as no locking system is necessary for its small cartridge. The barrel is fixed to the receiver, and a recoil spring is located around the barrel and inside the barrel shroud/slide.
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@ChaosPootato
@ChaosPootato 6 лет назад
How did this not end up in Battlefield 1, it's exactly the kind of rare pieces they added
@colonthree
@colonthree 6 лет назад
ChaosPotato Norway was not directly a part of WW1, but I guess that game isn't as historically accurate (refer to Ian's video earlier), so it should have made a nice fit. :3c
@ChaosPootato
@ChaosPootato 6 лет назад
Exactly! Since 20 soldiers could wield a drum-fed Hellriegel at once when there was only one, EVER and the drum didn't even work, why not this gun!
@MumrikDK
@MumrikDK 6 лет назад
A 50 round pistol could probably end up being a balance issue.
@dogeggs8679
@dogeggs8679 6 лет назад
Just make its damage poop
@mattt4080
@mattt4080 5 лет назад
Maybe you could ask EA. Maybe they could include it as a microtransaction haha
@nickjohnson8780
@nickjohnson8780 3 года назад
"Maybe it looks longer than it really is because its so small in diameter" I felt that
@epwlod777
@epwlod777 3 года назад
That's sad With the name 'Johnson'
@9mmpeter255
@9mmpeter255 3 года назад
Tiny wangs unite!!!!
@Hysteria98
@Hysteria98 3 года назад
Your girlfriend didn't.
@joergmaass
@joergmaass 2 года назад
The man they called "Noodle"...
@uwuowo4856
@uwuowo4856 2 года назад
@@joergmaass oh....
@dobypilgrim6160
@dobypilgrim6160 6 лет назад
Trying to punch a light .25 caliber round through winter clothing would have been problematic. I am reminded of a line in a Mark Twain story about the black powder S&W .22. "If you shoot me with that thing and I find out about it..."
@mannixflinn6227
@mannixflinn6227 5 лет назад
Brilliant quote
@Janni069
@Janni069 5 лет назад
@@codymaynard85 I read somewhere that in the korea war the soldiers with thick winter coats were still standing after being shot multiple times by an m1 carbine. These coats are kinda protecting in longer range
@nomadben
@nomadben 5 лет назад
@Lord Lolland That's a brilliant story.
@Lingist081
@Lingist081 5 лет назад
Lord Lolland same happened with Otto Von Bismark. Someone tried to assassinate him with a small caliber, barrel less black powder revolver. Just bruised him and made him pissed off.
@TheTheRandomShow1234
@TheTheRandomShow1234 5 лет назад
@no candy would sound so much better if you understood the proper usage of the word through.
@Terabit3
@Terabit3 5 лет назад
With such a high capacity magazine and such a small round, it really would have shined as a machine pistol
@oldnick4707
@oldnick4707 4 года назад
I thought the same darn thing! A heat shield would be good though! lol
@idancemyassintothepaint7571
@idancemyassintothepaint7571 4 года назад
Oooo yeah..
@graham2631
@graham2631 4 года назад
@@toki89666 you can drop and slam a new clip in. Then another. And still keep the back up clip well,back. In the larger 8mm fairly close to present day pistol size a 18 round clip is for a 100+ year gun is incredible and a 36 round pistol well...
4 года назад
@@toki89666 no. it holds 50 rounds and 25 extra in the holster! 75. idiot!!!!!!!!!!!
@collinmackin5911
@collinmackin5911 4 года назад
G r a h a m Magazine. It’s not a bolt action, it doesn’t use clips.
@michaeljohnsonbaugh7962
@michaeljohnsonbaugh7962 4 года назад
Imagine taking your design that holds 50 rounds to a military trial, and then you lose out to someone with a gun that holds 7 rounds. He must be so confused why he didnt win the contract
@enricopaolocoronado2511
@enricopaolocoronado2511 4 года назад
@Anthony Swiss Maybe because shooting soldiers in thick clothing with what was effectively a slightly stronger .22LR wasn't exactly an ideal thing to do.
@daytenanderson3898
@daytenanderson3898 4 года назад
@Anthony Swiss Go back to the past time traveler
@jackofmanytrades4396
@jackofmanytrades4396 4 года назад
It looks like it was quite the labor of love. It also looks like it wouldn't be especially durable, particularly the magazines and how they fit in the gun.
@bleachsmoker
@bleachsmoker 3 года назад
Interesting idea. I wonder what a 9 mil. grip would look like with two mags stacked in front of eachother.
@joel_rigby
@joel_rigby 3 года назад
Pretty sure it would have failed due to ergonomics and horrid magazine controls. The second magazine would be near impossible to load quickly.
@jeffphillips1798
@jeffphillips1798 6 лет назад
And here we have an early art deco Pez dispenser from Norway.
@Chef4life79
@Chef4life79 5 лет назад
I feel compelled to quote Preditor 2, "want some candy?" directed to Bill Paxton shortly before dispatching him....
@PershingDragoon
@PershingDragoon 5 лет назад
Haha this comment got me.
@kaitheviking8468
@kaitheviking8468 4 года назад
Wait you dont have ballistic candy..? That's just a Norway thing..? Huh...
@beanieteamie7435
@beanieteamie7435 4 года назад
I felt that one xD
@stormhansen1499
@stormhansen1499 4 года назад
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
@user-ik8uc8vi1z
@user-ik8uc8vi1z 6 лет назад
it's the gun i drew when i was 4! :D
@xieli8152
@xieli8152 6 лет назад
Hahaha
@on1yadam
@on1yadam 6 лет назад
j 😂😂😂😂😂
@VonRammsteyn
@VonRammsteyn 6 лет назад
j :):):):):)
@jamesbulldogmiller
@jamesbulldogmiller 6 лет назад
Ha!! me too!
@samhansen9771
@samhansen9771 6 лет назад
WhatAreYouSaying? Countdown until you get it
@Journey_to_who_knows
@Journey_to_who_knows 5 лет назад
"It doesn't matter when your first hit is weak when you got 24 more following it" - Ghandi
@mrsaturdaynightspecial3055
@mrsaturdaynightspecial3055 4 года назад
Unless the other guy really wants to kill you.😬 In that case nothing is strong enough.😉
@mrslyfox2405
@mrslyfox2405 4 года назад
Nuclear Holocaust Causing Ghandi Flashbacks.
@jestnutz
@jestnutz 4 года назад
The future we will be using nature as a weapon. Imagine summoning tsunamis or hurricanes and punish countries.. this day and age anything is possible now. -Dr seuss
@frankdavis313
@frankdavis313 4 года назад
It does if hes wearing enough cloths -me
@shittydildo3939
@shittydildo3939 4 года назад
I bet I could beat up 25 toddlers easy, but I would be beaten up by one martial arts master.
@jarofyellow2408
@jarofyellow2408 5 лет назад
This in 2mm kolibri with 8000 rounds capacity
@Jabberwockybird
@Jabberwockybird 3 года назад
What about an American 180 in 2mm kolibri? Beees!!!
@marvindebot3264
@marvindebot3264 3 года назад
@@Jabberwockybird That would actually be fun little toy but a reloading device for those mags would be a must! Oh and picture it. Home invader: "LOL what are you going to do to me with that toy gun?" Toy gun: "Brrrrrrrrrrrrt!" Home invader:
@dr.dylansgame5583
@dr.dylansgame5583 3 года назад
@@marvindebot3264 fuck now I want one luckily I'm getting two paintball pistols to load with riot balls and strong pepper balls that the police would use
@vibinwithorion288
@vibinwithorion288 3 года назад
😂
@jez76
@jez76 2 года назад
+4000 in the holster.
@davidreeding9176
@davidreeding9176 4 года назад
"...75 rounds of ammunition." That's some end game gear right there
@omegafoxxtrot7248
@omegafoxxtrot7248 6 лет назад
Out of everything Ian's covered so far, I have never wanted to own a firearm so badly. The mechanical uniqueness, the gorgeous shape, even the odd handle all combine to make me wish I wasn't totally broke.
@Big_AlMC
@Big_AlMC 2 года назад
Ha
@LisaAnn777
@LisaAnn777 Год назад
Really? This is one of the ugliest things I've ever seen.
@JameaJimea1175
@JameaJimea1175 Год назад
Felt bud
@SpydersByte
@SpydersByte 9 месяцев назад
gorgeous shape? this thing is the ugliest pistol Ive ever seen! 😅 and the mechanism to shift the second mag forward seems super fiddly and more of a pain than just carrying a second one or having it clipped onto the weapon somewhere. I think Id rather do a normal reload than try to slide that thing forward and backward every time
@fighterairplane
@fighterairplane 6 лет назад
This is the most beautiful ugly gun I've ever seen.
@yyyyyeeeee4060
@yyyyyeeeee4060 4 года назад
Awful taste but great execution
4 года назад
@Lord Admiral Spire say that when ur out of your 7 AMMO...................................... Did u know a caliber 22 is more deadly then a 45??? no? because u dont know pistols!
@HandFromCoffin
@HandFromCoffin 4 года назад
That's exactly what I thought. Man that's uuuug.....well.. ugly? but nice looking.. both? my eye's don't know what to make of it.
@docod-vq6iv
@docod-vq6iv 4 года назад
its like the Willem Dafoe of firearms lol
@Ignikus
@Ignikus 4 года назад
@@HandFromCoffin r/confusedboner lul
@alchemicalsilver6904
@alchemicalsilver6904 3 года назад
"How often do you need to reload?" Sunngård: "No."
@firewolf0065
@firewolf0065 3 года назад
NEVER
@nobodyimportant6582
@nobodyimportant6582 3 года назад
If you have to reload **cocks lmg** Then you didn't come prepared
@sandertheunforgiven
@sandertheunforgiven 3 года назад
Sunngård: NEI
@stefthorman8548
@stefthorman8548 2 года назад
2 times
@jez76
@jez76 2 года назад
Do you mean ‘move magazine?”
@Nevir202
@Nevir202 4 года назад
2:02 “25mm” ah yes, an anti-material pistol. 🤣
@Reuel-Jazwa
@Reuel-Jazwa 4 года назад
You better cover your ears ;)
@Zigfried207
@Zigfried207 4 года назад
@@Reuel-Jazwa and have robotic arm to hold recoil
@Dizzy-Dice
@Dizzy-Dice 4 года назад
And still hold 50 rounds
@ferdinandhumperdinck165
@ferdinandhumperdinck165 4 года назад
Especially at 2000ft/Sec. that would, assuming average weight for a 25mm projectile of 260g, give it 520000 joule KE. So yeah, sadly it aint so, but that would be....^^ Fallout can build it, I am sure.
@EricWulfe
@EricWulfe 4 года назад
if you enable the caption, gun jesus corrected it to .25 caliber
@hybrid_grizzly
@hybrid_grizzly 6 лет назад
You all probably figured this out, but at 5:40 Hg is Hectograms aka hundreds of grams. It threw me off for a second because I was thinking Mercury
@TheRogueWolf
@TheRogueWolf 6 лет назад
I thought it meant mercury too, and I was wondering who would base a weight system off of a toxic metal.
@hybrid_grizzly
@hybrid_grizzly 6 лет назад
Soviet who Cuts Small bullet at high velocity? Sounds like it’d do alright against armor
@motorcop505
@motorcop505 6 лет назад
The Rogue Wolf The same people who used a toxic metal to measure temperature (especially in thin, fragile glass tubes made to be placed in one's mouth). ⚖️🌡
@peka2478
@peka2478 6 лет назад
There actually was a x-com-like-game where the aliens geared up with their fancy shield which became increasingly stronger against beam weapons (which you would have acquired by that point) and increasingly more susceptible to traditional ballistic weapons... And there was also x-com apocalypse, where you could develop a toxigun, using lethal poison to deal damage - mercury anyone? ^^
@peka2478
@peka2478 6 лет назад
Was it Ufo: Aftermath / Aftershock / Afterlight? Dont remember any more, sorry
@richardshortman5645
@richardshortman5645 6 лет назад
Ian; That is amazing. There is nothing here that is conventional for the time. I would say that it would seem to have come from Mars if it didn't have another meaning. Striker fire when most firearms used hammers. Unique cartridge. Strange disconnect and takedown. Double stack. Unconventional sights. Great job on this video.
@dksdg
@dksdg 6 лет назад
Once again proves, people like improvements not innovation
@criffermaclennan
@criffermaclennan 6 лет назад
The gun is rare.... And ammunition is gonna be as easy to find as sasquatch
@BillRoyMcBill
@BillRoyMcBill 6 лет назад
And when you do find that sasquatch, you'll be able to light him up...Biggly.
@nicholaspatton5590
@nicholaspatton5590 6 лет назад
Me: Hi, do you guys sell 8x19mm? Gun store clerk: You mean 9x19, right? Chuckles. Me:....... err, no.
@GunFunZS
@GunFunZS 6 лет назад
I wonder if it could be formed and trimmed from 30 carbine brass.
@SlyPearTree
@SlyPearTree 6 лет назад
Blurry ammunition?
@dksdg
@dksdg 6 лет назад
Christopher MacLennan 😂😂
@Kevin-jb2pv
@Kevin-jb2pv 4 года назад
I imagine that holding that thing feels a lot like trying to hold a Hershey bar.
@jehoiakimelidoronila5450
@jehoiakimelidoronila5450 3 года назад
A hershey bar that fires *50* rounds in one go. Sweet.
@itsmejak7888
@itsmejak7888 2 года назад
@@jehoiakimelidoronila5450 you clearly didn't watch the video
@benburgess9428
@benburgess9428 3 года назад
As a firearm salesman, this in 25 ACP would sell like hot cakes. Especially if you slimmed the grip and went with one 25 round magazine at a time. Call it the Sunngard 25.
@dennismetzger9287
@dennismetzger9287 Год назад
You just describing it made me want to buy one
@markvickroy6725
@markvickroy6725 Год назад
Designed for a 29 grain bullet. Cci stingers, lightest fastest "standard" 22lr are 32 grains. I could see a single 25 round mag in 25 ACP, scaled down a bit for market and design purposes - you might have something there that's doable and would sell - if it works. IF Big IF
@benburgess9428
@benburgess9428 Год назад
@@markvickroy6725 Oh I’m not saying the project wouldn’t require significant re-engineering, but if done right it would sell
@zelenisok
@zelenisok Год назад
any double stack 25acp would be cool. someone speculated what if history went differently and we had 25lr, and everything that is today available in 22lr was to be available in 25lr. that would be awesome..
@TheBeemanblake
@TheBeemanblake 10 месяцев назад
To my current understanding 25 acp is the worst handgun round ever made. Why do people desire it?
@paalaasengstubbrud3524
@paalaasengstubbrud3524 6 лет назад
As a Norwegian i appreciate the correct use of Å. Most people get it wrong or just use A instead. Thanks!
@motorcop505
@motorcop505 6 лет назад
Paal Aaseng Stubbrud With the exception of IPhones and iPads finding devices with keyboards that include such characters can be difficult, especially in the US where we don't use many of them.
@jarmokankaanpaa6528
@jarmokankaanpaa6528 4 года назад
Now if they also learned to pronounce it correctly... "å" is pronounced approximately "aw" while "u" is pronounced "oo", so the name is pronounced roughly "Soon-gawrd" with short "oo" and a long "n".
@Squossifrage
@Squossifrage 4 года назад
@@jarmokankaanpaa6528 no, the D is silent, so “soon-gore”
@jarmokankaanpaa6528
@jarmokankaanpaa6528 4 года назад
@@Squossifrage Yes, assuming the person is Norwegian or Danish; the R is also more gutteral than the American Midwestern R and in Danish would be nearly indistinguishable. However, the same name could also be Swedish, in which case the D would be pronounced (except possibly in Scania) but the U would be different (closer to Ü). In any case, the discussion was about vowels rather than consonants, which vary in regional Scandinavian dialects even more than the vowels. It would be impossible to give a non-speaker a general rule-of-thumb on how to pronounce Scandinavian names correctly since you would need to know not only which country but also which specific region the person in question derives from. Still, any form of "Skandinaviska" is preferable to pronunciation by English rules.
@Squossifrage
@Squossifrage 4 года назад
@@jarmokankaanpaa6528 Harald Sunngård was Norwegian.
@KåreGrovan
@KåreGrovan 10 месяцев назад
Hi. 7:33 This was a very interesting video for a norwegian that have shot an example of that pistol apprx 30 years ago on a shooting range in Vestby. A smal place in the South East part of Norway. The inventor, Harald Sundby came from a farm in the area named Sundby. My father (born in 1925) told me that he was told that Harald was the forfather to a machine gun too. The german "buzz saw". My father was told that germans came to Harald, and he let them see a prototype, and they bought the drawings. One condition though: the gun could not be used in warfare. The history told us how that vent. Kåre Grovan
@mencken8
@mencken8 4 года назад
“That’s a Sunngard, and you’ve had your fifty.”
@daviddonnelly2700
@daviddonnelly2700 3 года назад
Absolutely fascinating firearm Ian. Incredible ingenuity 100+ years ago. For me this Suungard pistol ranks in the the top 5 of all firearms you have reviewed. Completely mezmerizing. I cannot thank you enough for introducing this unique firearm. Practicality aside, it's an amazing example of cool firearm engineering respecting so many aspects. I have watched the video multiple times and will do so repeatedly.
@EDSKaR
@EDSKaR 6 лет назад
11:42, the forgotten weapons precision disassembly tool has failed us in its absence.
@frankbrowning328
@frankbrowning328 Год назад
Incredibly innovative for 1909. I love it. Practical or not , it's a really cool design
@lookoutpiano8877
@lookoutpiano8877 6 лет назад
The leather on that case is gorgeous. Thanks for showing us all the different mechanisms. What a shame we can't see it fire.
@CallieYote
@CallieYote 6 лет назад
You see Ivan, if all magazine are in gun, who reloads is never an issue
@xmm-cf5eg
@xmm-cf5eg 5 лет назад
"No need to electrical tape magazines together Tovarisch, I put all mags into weapon at once."
@bogiesmigforl1
@bogiesmigforl1 3 года назад
@@mablo88123 I thought his name was Ian?
@tmenzerj
@tmenzerj 6 лет назад
I still want to see the 25mm version you talked about...
@grungar3x7
@grungar3x7 6 лет назад
You mean .25 acp, right? Cause the one in the video is .25 caliber as well, it merely needs a rechamber and a purpose designed magazine. Perhaps a dedicated recoil spring, and I'm not sure if I saw an extractor, but by being blowback, probably not, so, it could use one.
@grungar3x7
@grungar3x7 6 лет назад
mannys9130 Well, now I feel silly. But I'd kinda like to see a four bore version as well!
@hyperhektor7733
@hyperhektor7733 6 лет назад
i want to see a .25 version too
@ichdissdich98
@ichdissdich98 5 лет назад
TeeJayEm ask Anton from Hotdogs horseshoes and handgrenades about it he will at least make one in VR
@stephenarling1667
@stephenarling1667 5 лет назад
Anyone who can fire a 25mm pistol more than once does not need a pistol.
@BiggDaddysCheese
@BiggDaddysCheese 4 года назад
You know it's something special when he starts off with a joyful look on his face
@j4ff4c3ks1
@j4ff4c3ks1 6 лет назад
"If this isn't the coolest early high capacity pistol you've seen, i need to know about it" Well, you made videos about the Guycot and the Colette Gravity pistol, those were cool in their own right, although this one's actually practical :p
@stevenboelke6661
@stevenboelke6661 6 лет назад
Gun Jesus brings us another bizarre early 20th century pistol. I love this shit
@ADRay1999
@ADRay1999 6 лет назад
It looks like an oversized lighter
@maximilianfranz2158
@maximilianfranz2158 6 лет назад
Andrew Dalton Ray man, you are everywhere!
@ADRay1999
@ADRay1999 6 лет назад
TheFriendlyAR-15 in5.56: I guess I’ll be the next Justin y.
@maximilianfranz2158
@maximilianfranz2158 6 лет назад
Andrew Dalton Ray hmm, dont now him.
@ADRay1999
@ADRay1999 6 лет назад
TheFriendlyAR-15 in5.56: Justin y. Is another RU-vidr who has been commenting more than I have and believe me he too is everywhere. Here is his channel: m.ru-vid.com/show-UCiTfB-A55Vq2fB610vaWJVA
@maximilianfranz2158
@maximilianfranz2158 6 лет назад
Andrew Dalton Ray he comments even gun related things?
@bandpassmess
@bandpassmess 5 лет назад
That is the most interesting pistol I’ve ever seen . The double stack was ahead of the curve the amount of ammo is unthinkable back then .
@ridgecrestvideo
@ridgecrestvideo 4 года назад
looking at the operation, I think the "disconnector" is an auto sear, and this is a machine pistol. If the slide cams it down each cycle, and the trigger is held back, it fires full auto till you release the trigger like a sub gun. probably even more collectable than described.
@luislongoria6621
@luislongoria6621 Год назад
Sear engagement is how triggers are "tuned", which might have the undesirable effect of rendering them NOT drop safe. Factory triggers tend to be long in the tooth so things don't get bumpy
@JerryEricsson
@JerryEricsson 6 лет назад
You have found it at last! The first pistol that I think is super cool, that I have no desire to possess. Thanks for keeping the wonderful videos coming, I so look forward to your videos to keep me alert and learning even more about the subject I had once immersed myself in for over 16 years, back when I had a paycheck and could afford such luxuries.
@kimheaston7574
@kimheaston7574 Год назад
I have really enjoyed the views of late 19th century and early 20tt century semi-automatic pistols. So many have this steam punk aura. So many ideas and innovations. It is really interesting to see how many features are retained by modern pistols and how the early developments lead to the modern semi-automatic guns. Keep up the cool stuff like this.
@enzoonymus3084
@enzoonymus3084 Год назад
Nothing is made so well these days.That pistol is a work of art and ingenuity. Beauty.
@phille042
@phille042 6 лет назад
Awesome video as always Ian! I just wanted you to know that the letter "å" is pronounced like the french word "eau", or a bit like the english word "oh". It's truly an amazing piece of kit that gun! It would be amazing to see you fire it and tell us how it feels. Just thinking about the somewhat awkward grip position and sights. Keep it up, sir!
@Forkuh
@Forkuh 4 года назад
“Only holds 18 rounds, which is still more than any modern service pistol” FN 5-7 HAS ENTERED THE CHAT
@austinm.9832
@austinm.9832 4 года назад
But it's got two of em'
@Skidracer21
@Skidracer21 3 года назад
Five-seveN is not a modern service pistol as such, it's frankly a bit too boutique even compared to its P90 relative.
@kamikazemelon787
@kamikazemelon787 3 года назад
what military uses FiveseveN as a service pistol?
@boffloff6745
@boffloff6745 3 года назад
@@kamikazemelon787 the Belgian army does
@gingergorilla695
@gingergorilla695 3 года назад
@@kamikazemelon787 Mexican army does
@R3DE3MER
@R3DE3MER 6 лет назад
i thought it was April 1st again cause he said 50 and an extra mag of 25. thonk > "how you git dat gun full of boolet?"
@Jose-kb6nc
@Jose-kb6nc 6 лет назад
"all i had to do iz put too boolet squars on it an it workd"
@peka2478
@peka2478 6 лет назад
i suggest you to watch?v=6i-nMWgBUp0 - where Aperture Labs explain how to get more bullet per bullet.
@raskolnikovsghost2701
@raskolnikovsghost2701 6 лет назад
@OP I really like your particular use of the Norwegian language. Beautifully said my friends.
@starsiegeRoks
@starsiegeRoks 6 лет назад
@Soviet who Cuts ORKS?!?!? FOR THE EMPORER! CHARGE!
@Kari-tu3fs
@Kari-tu3fs 4 года назад
Now naming it the “Hollywood gun”.
@bobjones5674
@bobjones5674 3 года назад
"This is the safety that likes to move around a bit" :\
@000Mazno000
@000Mazno000 6 лет назад
If this guy had just used a more conventional caliber and didn't do the stupid double magazine thing this gun could have just been ~15-20 rounds of something close to 9x19 and way ahead of its time
@Kennethah81
@Kennethah81 6 лет назад
I totally agree. This is a good example of trying too hard.
@charlesprichard5235
@charlesprichard5235 5 лет назад
It's a bit weird because it seems like just a little reworking would have made it work
@feedthemeat543f
@feedthemeat543f 5 лет назад
@@charlesprichard5235 People may shit on 22 lr but at least it's Decently capable of killing. The rounds this thing uses look like they'd be largely ineffective for anything but shots to the head.
@dustyrussell6939
@dustyrussell6939 5 лет назад
But if youve got that many rounds in the gun it doesnt matter that theyre that small.
@elioliver9554
@elioliver9554 5 лет назад
It could've been the 5-7
@alexandruianu8432
@alexandruianu8432 6 лет назад
Wow, double double stacks... BTW Pronunciation is close to Soon-Goard. (or soon-gourd depending how you pronounce gourd)
@ryand6312
@ryand6312 6 лет назад
Alexandru Ianu week old comment on a vid that came out today....
@KarlfMjolnir
@KarlfMjolnir 6 лет назад
Ryan D because he probably helped put it in or had a link to check for errors before it went public.
@M0torsagmannen
@M0torsagmannen 6 лет назад
could also be pronounced "soon-gore", depending on dialect
@Elwould23
@Elwould23 6 лет назад
Ryan, patreons get access to videos a week in advance.
@Jose-kb6nc
@Jose-kb6nc 6 лет назад
Back to the Future
@reyalsnogard8289
@reyalsnogard8289 3 года назад
It almost seems like it has drifted into our reality, through some tear in the fabrics of time and alternate reality, ..... almost steampunkish !
@fardass3535
@fardass3535 3 года назад
if you think this is other worldly and steampunkish check out his video on the g11
@vizzy61
@vizzy61 3 года назад
Eh, the G11 doesn't feel nearly as steampunk-y
@fardass3535
@fardass3535 3 года назад
@@vizzy61 did you not see the internals?
@vizzy61
@vizzy61 3 года назад
I have seen the nightmare like internals of the G11. I stand by what I said.
@OutlawPrince45
@OutlawPrince45 10 месяцев назад
Disposable chopstick is my new favorite firearm disassembly tool, lol! Great video as always, I would totally buy a version of this gun made for modern ammo. It would make a perfect plinker.
@brentchambers511
@brentchambers511 2 года назад
I have this exact gun. It’s a joy. My eyes aren’t what they used to be and I have trouble with the narrow sights but I still love it.
@RalphReagan
@RalphReagan 6 лет назад
That grip angle seems weird
@owllymannstein7113
@owllymannstein7113 6 лет назад
I suspect it is designed to the odd single handed grip common in those days where the elbow and wrist are bent in opposite directions.
@ChoChan776
@ChoChan776 4 года назад
@@owllymannstein7113 you also have to have a derby hat and cigar in your mouth while firing
@owllymannstein7113
@owllymannstein7113 4 года назад
@Cho Chan and your left hand in your back pocket or waistband
@rwrp
@rwrp 4 года назад
It’s custom made for that guy from barge Walking Dead who does not know how to aim a revolver.
@agbond003
@agbond003 6 лет назад
Man, if you would have this video a little earlier, it might have made it into Battlefield 1... Perfect little automatic pistol
@murphy7801
@murphy7801 3 года назад
Lol, I can imagine Devs rummaging through Ian's vids for ideas.
@DarkestVampire92
@DarkestVampire92 6 лет назад
Hindsight tips for norwegian military trials: 1: Drop the silly double magazine thing 2: Make the cartridge more potent 3: Lock the breech Instant adoption given the only thing speaking against the Colt was that it wasnt Norwegian made...
@sthenzel
@sthenzel 6 лет назад
#2 like: Keep the diameter of the bullet, but double bullet weight (by adding a little length and a pointy tip) and lengthen the case to 25mm? Still 25rds per mag, but with a lot more potential. Suddenly the FiveSeven is reduced to being just a mere copy...
@MrCh0o
@MrCh0o 6 лет назад
Yeah, but body armor wasn't really a thing back then, so why have a FiveSeven ahead of the time when it became actually needed?
@zewise1
@zewise1 3 года назад
What an incredible piece of engineering
@rickburrows4304
@rickburrows4304 3 года назад
I really enjoy every episode I watch and marvel at the ingenuity of the engineers that design these creations.
@jamesmanning7510
@jamesmanning7510 4 года назад
That's pretty amazing. I sure would like to see this beauty on the range.
@yahwehskid4819
@yahwehskid4819 6 лет назад
Got to love the minds of those old gunsmith's they were mechanical geniuses!
@nickdaveNDM
@nickdaveNDM 2 года назад
Whoa! I was sure the barrel was pinned to the frame! I was surprised on disassembly. What an awesome design
@jakeb.7997
@jakeb.7997 4 года назад
The more I look at this gun the more I’m infinitely fascinated by it. I just love the unique look of the weapon :3
@ulvemann43
@ulvemann43 6 лет назад
Quick note for future reference. If you come across anything from scandinavia with the letter å, it's pronounciation is akin to the way the "o" is pronounced in "oh"
@koettfaers
@koettfaers 6 лет назад
ScrubSoba nej, verkligen inte. hur kan "ååå" låta som engelska "oh" i ditt huvud?
@marvindebot3264
@marvindebot3264 3 года назад
"oh that must be rare, the kind of thing that fi . . . yup, we at fireplace guy's" This is another early pistol I'd buy a reproduction of. The list is getting longer and no bugger makes any of them.
@williamprince1114
@williamprince1114 6 лет назад
Did designer Sunngard design any other firearms?
@beelz5932
@beelz5932 6 лет назад
I hope so.
@ofoten7054
@ofoten7054 6 лет назад
yes he tried to design a machine gun, He was better at hunting weapons :)
@XH1927
@XH1927 5 лет назад
One thing I learned really quickly when I was tinkering with guns, pistolsmithing, and studying small arms history was that guns may very well be the only marketing sector that is almost completely immune to rule of cool. It also is one of the few sectors where end users are actually acutely aware of concerns like logistics and design compromise. Lots of people want to make a cool new cartridge that will change ballistics as we know them... until no one wants to buy an oddball expensive cartridge when there's 10,000,000,000 rounds of .45 and 9x19 out there already. And here we see that the novelty of having 50 rounds onboard in a handgun, remarkable as that was, especially in that time period, does not trump more utilitarian concerns like cartridge performance, mechanical reliability, and awkward ergonomics.
@garrysmith5562
@garrysmith5562 Год назад
Stop trying to sound like an expert. You probably just read a bit about guns and call that studying and pistolsmithing.
@Megazoid-my7cp
@Megazoid-my7cp 5 лет назад
Happy if you've shown it in a range for a test shot.
@ncismugerian8993
@ncismugerian8993 4 года назад
Me: can we get a luger? Mom: no we have luger at home. The luger at home: ...
@g-yoshi9275
@g-yoshi9275 3 года назад
Lmao bruh
@Cmcmillen77
@Cmcmillen77 5 лет назад
Battlefield needs to step their game up and start using these as rare weapons for different maps. These are awesome!!
@user-ns3vs3bp3e
@user-ns3vs3bp3e 6 лет назад
Serious question is it quicker to eject the mag slide the second forward or just load a fresh mag from the belt? I honestly think with training it can’t be that different and you get higher power rounds (albeit fewer rounds) per mag in the more standard semi automatics of the period
@Robert-qm7yi
@Robert-qm7yi 6 лет назад
123 456 I think the intention was to drop the first, reload from the belt and then you still have one left on the gun if you somehow still need to shoot
@Sarlacc_
@Sarlacc_ 6 лет назад
How are you supposed to load that rear mag?
@moehoward01
@moehoward01 6 лет назад
Sarlac Watch the video again.
@wastool
@wastool 6 лет назад
Robert I think your exactly right. Plus where are you putting the empty magazine if you didn't plus one from the belt? You can't just drop it on the ground, that would be ludacris.
@wastool
@wastool 6 лет назад
Sarlac Disassemble the gun then load it. If you need to load it, you also need to clean it. So your taking it apart anyway.
@marttimattila9561
@marttimattila9561 11 месяцев назад
Amazing inventor that Sungard, rough and frustrating life like inventors usualy have.
@Skarfar90
@Skarfar90 3 года назад
What a cool little pistol from the early days. Hell it even came with a threaded barrel. Imagine if suppressors were a thing back then! The only other pistols I can think of that are relatively high capacity are the following: * Beretta M92 - 15 rounds (standard), up to 32 with extended magazine - 9x19mm * Glock 17/18/19 - 17 rounds (standard), up to 33 with extended magazine, or 50 with a drum mag - 9x19mm * FN Five-seveN - 20 rounds, or 30 with extended magazine - 5.7x28mm * Tec-9 - 32 rounds (standard), or up to 72 rounds with a drum mag - 9x19mm
@skypieper
@skypieper 3 года назад
That little thing is awesome. Wish they still made em.
@fin_jan
@fin_jan 4 года назад
It IS the coolest early high capacity pistol I have ever seen.
@Paxmax
@Paxmax 6 лет назад
Rumor has it that the military pre-tests for this gun is not yet finished due to the unfortunate technical stipulation that 500 times provided full magazine capacity must be performed... somewhere in Norway there is an old test engineer still pounding away, round for round trying to end the test cycle... severely arthritic.
@xxIONBOMBxx
@xxIONBOMBxx Год назад
Finally an example of "reloading your sidearm is faster than switching guns"
@aidanpysher2764
@aidanpysher2764 Год назад
That thing looks both absolutely minuscule and enormous at the same time. The innovation of this era is to weapons as the 1980s were to computers - just absolutely revolutionary.
@sethkey8157
@sethkey8157 4 года назад
It's like a pmr-30, one of my favorites. And I can contest, hitting a phone book sized target at 30 yards with .22 mag three times, is three times easier than hitting it once with a .45 acp bowling ball launcher.
@anthonycoffee7683
@anthonycoffee7683 10 месяцев назад
My kind of design! I love seeing these designs with innovation, even if they are outside of the conventional “wisdom” of the day. It’s like why aren’t there more double stack magazines if the design existed that far back? More bullets the better in the gun if you can make them fit! If you know about more of these type guns, I am always interested in seeing how they are put together! My career is in Aerospace but I do appreciate good engineering wherever I see it!
@cosmicduality1341
@cosmicduality1341 4 года назад
This pistol has the ability to be improved,i think it's brilliant.
@erlandjohansen7195
@erlandjohansen7195 6 лет назад
Greetings from Norway! The pronounciation is something like "sounngawr" with ou like in "you" and aw like in "awe". Also remember to roll the 'r' ;)
@sadwingsraging3044
@sadwingsraging3044 4 года назад
And they say Welsh is the language spoken in Cthulhu..... At least the Welsh didn't have the umlaut things to twist the mind into a pretzel. ;-)
@braydenh190
@braydenh190 6 лет назад
Norwegian pistols tend to be quite square.
@nightfuryyassamaru1683
@nightfuryyassamaru1683 6 лет назад
Yet somehow manage to not look like legos. (Glock, take notes)
@norwegiannightmare8843
@norwegiannightmare8843 5 лет назад
They’re modeled after Norwegian jaw lines
@baronofbahlingen9662
@baronofbahlingen9662 5 лет назад
KainetheWusky Norwegian people are quite square
@stormthrush37
@stormthrush37 3 года назад
Remember, it's always faster to load your reserve magazine than insert a new one.
@chuckcochran8599
@chuckcochran8599 Год назад
Really a unique design. In a lot of ways, it was ahead of its time with those dual purpose features.
@Steel-Rain
@Steel-Rain 6 лет назад
It seems like the second magazine cannot be removed from the pistol (or am I mistaken)? If so, How would you re/load the second magazine before/during usage?
@Kraakesolv
@Kraakesolv 6 лет назад
Steel Rain You are mistaken, it is removable.
@Steel-Rain
@Steel-Rain 6 лет назад
Kraakesolv but it appears to be physically attached to the pistol by the wire.
@GrimReefer1983
@GrimReefer1983 6 лет назад
It is. You have to disasseble the gun to load the second magazine.
@matthewmchenry2889
@matthewmchenry2889 6 лет назад
Interesting weapon. It is clear why it couldn't make it as a general service weapon, but it still seems to carry significant features.
@Bearthedancingman
@Bearthedancingman 3 года назад
If I was the military, I would have looked at this and told him to do a bit of redesign. 1: only one magazine in the gun. 2: forward canted shorter handle if possible (the magazine could tilt back slightly within a forward tilted grip) 3: three extra magazines in the holster for a total of 100 rounds. 4: lengthen case from 19mm to 22mm and up bullet from 27 grain to 35 grain. (Overall cartridge length from 23mm to 28mm) 5: maybe add a select fire switch.
@Pugiron
@Pugiron 5 лет назад
I sure wouldn't trust that magazine system in combat after firing twenty five rounds
@Puckosar
@Puckosar 5 лет назад
The Å letter makes a sound similar to an O, not an A. The word gård is pronounced very similarly to the english word gourd, like the plant.
@Squossifrage
@Squossifrage 4 года назад
No, the D is silent.
@incapableunicorn8252
@incapableunicorn8252 6 лет назад
Hg = Hektogram, 1 Hektogram = 100 grams. So 7.2 Hg = 720 grams.
@MultiArrie
@MultiArrie 6 лет назад
the fist time I ever seen Hg used, outside school. 0.72 Kg makes more sense.
@robrocksea
@robrocksea 5 лет назад
@@MultiArrie 720 Grams makes even better sense
@EdwardOskarsson
@EdwardOskarsson 5 лет назад
Yeah Hektos are still used in Norway, but it's about as usefull as farenheit.
@panchemist
@panchemist 4 года назад
@@EdwardOskarsson still. a decimal unit.
@KonradSeverinHilstad
@KonradSeverinHilstad 4 года назад
@@EdwardOskarsson literally only used for buying candy in loose weight, lol.
@JamesFromTexas
@JamesFromTexas 3 года назад
Finally a pistol with enough ammo for suppressive fire.
@leMercenaire667
@leMercenaire667 11 месяцев назад
"I know what you're thinking, did he fire 50 shots or only 49?"
@tomhorn6156
@tomhorn6156 10 месяцев назад
Thank you from Norway, teaching us. Thanks,love it the insights to enginering .the way from vikings to NSM or JSM. Nice stuff all.
@FINNIUSORION
@FINNIUSORION 2 года назад
With the front and rear magazines not being identical it seems like more effort than just keeping a couple extra in your pocket.
@AlexNaanou
@AlexNaanou 6 лет назад
Am I getting this correctly? ...to load the second mag you have to remove the slide? =) ...if so it seems to function mainly as a backup
@engeenir7440
@engeenir7440 3 года назад
But how do you load with cartridges the hooked mag when its empty??? Please I need to know. Do you need to remove the slide?
@The-lr4zo
@The-lr4zo 3 года назад
Shouldn't be *that* hard to remove...
@cpmtrad250
@cpmtrad250 5 лет назад
Best channel ever brother, keep the beautiful history coming.👍👍👏👏👏
@neetard7360
@neetard7360 Год назад
Honestly I think this design should've been looked into further Feels like a lot of potential could've been had given someone followed this vein of design Firearms history could've been a lot different if designs like this got looked into imo
@Roger_Stenning
@Roger_Stenning 6 лет назад
I'd imagine one of the reasons they rejected this weapon would have been from a safety point of view. With the rear magazine retained by that hook, it would have made Proving Clear a major headache, as in the military (certainly, the British Military), proving clear, that is, completely emptying a weapon of both ammunition and magazines, and then locking back the bolt, slide, or action is often the only way a weapon may be passed from one person to another, for example, when handing a weapon back into an armoury. (I'm a former qualified Range Conducting Officer for the-then Territorial Army, what's now known as the Army Reserve).
@Roger_Stenning
@Roger_Stenning 6 лет назад
I don't believe that it would be acceptable in any army, conscripted or not. That's the point.
@ThatHungryAfricanChild
@ThatHungryAfricanChild 5 лет назад
Mom can we get some -food- *1911* on the way home? Mom: we have -food- *1911* at home
@CallioNyx
@CallioNyx 3 года назад
This will probably be lost due to being so long after the video was made, but Harald Sunngård had ordered ammunition from Eley, but they only delivered the casings, so he had to load the cases himself. He tried getting Raufoss Ammunition factory to make them but they were unsatisfactory. (They've behind the various fancy high quality ammunitions you see today, so they got better.) If you really do want to make your own bullets, this page - from the Kongberg ammunition factory's history group - shows the exact measurements plus a picture. www.kvf.no/vaapen.php?type=Ammo&weaponid=AMM0669
@kievanrus9434
@kievanrus9434 4 года назад
Sunngard was given hazey visions of modern(future) design.. either by interdimensionals in the aether... or by ETs. Then he sets about engineering a gun. He got the double stack mag and hi cap no problem. He took a normal pistol grip and swept it the other direction. He put the controls in an ergonomic spot for a right hander based on some hazey visions of SIGs. He took the small caliber concept from five seven and pmr and it had babies with the anemic blowback cartridges of the day. He got the striker fire from glock. Trouble is, during design he was toasted on absinthe and laudanum... We wound up with an interesting piece ahead of its time with an uncomfortable grip and unadoptable caliber.
@VonGrav
@VonGrav 6 лет назад
Slighty better than the previous one? xD
@ADd-zp7mk
@ADd-zp7mk 11 месяцев назад
Amazing pistol for it's time
@JerryEricsson
@JerryEricsson 5 лет назад
Every once in awhile I have the desire to revisit some of my favorite guns, this one, while not on my must have list is intriguing that said, I wonder if it were not meant to have first the front mag emptied, then the extra mag from the holster, and at last the back "reserve" magazine for those awe shit moments when you absolutely need to shoot that fellow 75 times with a very anemic round, one of those "if you ever shoot me with one of those, and I find out about it...,"
@spockspock
@spockspock 3 года назад
I can see how the magazine release could be activated while firing… lots of innovation makes reliable guns.
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