How Dreamworks: How to Train Your Dragon Should've Ended 

This is my favourite film

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As you can see by my toothless icon for my youtube channel, I love this series. It sadens me to say yeah I agree with this

Well, I clicked on the Community Tab of your channel to do the poll, and....didn't see a poll there for Dragons. I saw tons (and tons) of Steven Universe stuff, but no dragons.

@Toon Ruins Very few people saw the enormous amount of flaws in the movie. Fewer still made an actual video, nevermind got warm responses. I commend you for this, since most of the fandom doesn't take criticism of the third film too kindly.

well, that’s what grimmel believes and what he has told everyone. nothing wrong there.

@@williansouza8724 you are right, he did said that, but there were no actual evidence How do you proof that the specie is completely wiped out, again?

@@tarena397 that’s my point, actually. we’ve only got grimmel’s take on the matter (and those other random vikings, but their takes are also grimmel’s), and he believes he killed almost every night fury. it’s kind of that whole unreliable narrator trope. you know, before the third movie came out there was a theory that the Night Furies were from a warmer climate, based on the fact that Toothless sometimes lights the ground he’s gonna lay on on fire, and no other dragon does that. my headcanon is that grimmel might have killed almost every night fury in that region of the globe (berk is kind of in the middle of the Norwegian Sea, right?), but there are others in the continents.

@@williansouza8724 mhh good point

Honestly, Light Fury was a really bad idea. Not only wasn't she as intelligent and adorable as Toothless, she had no personality apart from distrustful/aloof and was more like the creators never saw a woman before and went "we'll make a dragon but white and pretty cuz it's a woman. Also aloof and needs to be chased cause woman". I wish she had at least personality... Or maybe a bit more characteristic, nice design!

Well, yeah... In books he wasn't the one who tamed them. But in movies it is like... dragons were around 10 years or something? Also I didn't even remember that, so I couldn't connect. Maybe because drangons weren't such a big part of the books too, Hiccup spend with them less time he spend with other ppl, he has his own adventurers

i would correct something, toothless in the books remains with him, is the other dragons that went to another place. A place that isn't specified in the books

You say this because you're a HTTYD 2 Purist. But it's just your opinion

True. They are stronger together, yet the third movie basically says "well no, your dependency is bad, you should give it up", like the heck? I also thought that overpopulation was the core problem of the third movie? I dont get it

@@anfani6839 Of Course you don't because you're a HTTYD 2 Purist

@@dragozillasaur813 If this is the only argument you can bring up to make your point clear than you have already lost this discussion and debatte by default, sorry.

@@anfani6839 Guess you seem to forget that art is subjective, also People are not wrong for Defending HTTYD The Hidden world

Exactly!!!

Right? There had to be AT LEAST one, come on

@@DoiInthanon1897 toothless is the alpha, so he can liettraly make those dragons leave their riders even against their will, kinda dark to think about...

@@ilyassebenana3824 It is indeed.

They really expect me to believe the crazy dragon lady’s dragons left her to go live in the wild. Those dragons looooved living with her. They get endless treats, pets, affection, going back to the wild was like leaving a mansion for a townhouse.

this is why bros before hoes is a saying (cause this happens in real life)

she didn't pop out of nowhere to ruin there friendship chances are she had never seen a human and dragon getting along and at the end of the day toothless is an animal

It's a movie

Pretty much and anyone who defends it, saying: "oH tOoThLeSs Is JuSt A mInDlEsS aNiMal!" or "YoU nEeD tO gRoW uP aNd bE cYnIcAl CuZ lIfE sUcKs YoU dUmBaSs" is an idiot

bros before hoes rings too true

@Everyone is WRONG I know right?? There is no way in hell the entirety of dragons just disappeared in this watery shit hole. It also bothers me a lot that they claim it's the safest spot in the world, yet the light fury was captured by Grimmel before, even thou she lived there - meaning the dragons go up to the surface once in a while; which is also further proven by Toothless and his family chillin in some shore on the ending of the third movie. They absolutely did not bother to explain the hidden world to the audience, they could not even give a reason why the vikins SHOULDNT be able to move in there; this is just some poor writing

What's even more dumb is that they make it sound like EVERY single entire dragon in the world went to the Hidden World. The setting is set in Scandinavia which is just one part of the whole world. I guess all the Scandinavian dragons went to the Hidden World but what about dragons that are not even living in the Scandinavian region. Let's go back to 2nd film and point out Drago: Stoick called him a stranger from a strange land, even though they never flat out say where Drago is from we can easily tell he's from a more Southern, warmer and exotic land nowhere near the cold Scandinavian region because of his tanned skin, dreadlocks and accent. Also the art book said the sun emblem on his belt is meant to show he's from a warmer climate. Remember what Drago said? He said his village was burned and massacred by dragons when he was just a child. If Drago's village is in a completely different region nowhere near the one this series is set in then it's pretty obvious that there are dragons living in other areas of the world. Also it sounds like those dragons were flat out merciless. Hell we don't even know what sort of dragons they were. They could be some species we haven't seen yet that are not native to cold regions and actually have a taste for human flesh or are just flat out evil. Are we just gonna ignore that there are probably still loads of dragons living outside the Scandinavian region and some of them are probably still untamed going around massacring villages and making people go through the same trauma Drago went through and flat out started his dark path and sooner or later it's gonna happen to someone else and history repeats itself?

@@robonaught I agree except for the "those southern dragons may be evil" part. If you look at the start of the 1st httyd movie it kind of looks like what Drago described: Dragons burning down the village, looting food, being responsible for torn of limbs of the people there and yes, also killing hundreds of them, even if not shown in the movie. I don't think that there are evil dragons, this was also said by Valka in the 2nd movie btw. Maybe it's another dragon queen that made them do this, maybe the human dragon relationships became more and more hostile as each partie was trying to survive. But you're right about the rest, the hidden world was just a lazy solution so that they could make this a "look kids, imagine if this movie was reality and dragons really still exists, they're just all hidden away"-moment

@@robonaught And even if all dragons from Scandinavia went into Hidden World dragons from surrounding areas would slowly migrate into since there is no competition

It seemed like just the ones on berk went and Berk didn't have certain types

....it was a story about the toothless and the dragons getting a safe home to raise their families. romance was a subplot...not the main plot.

@@LilyUnicorn neither was Spirit, with its main theme being freedom. But their romance subplots were handled very differently and Spirit’s was better

Yeah! Super late here but- Idk how to explain it, but the Lightfury just didn’t have a “voice” to me?? Like Toothless very much did, but I just didn’t feel hers at all.

@@LilyUnicorn so was spirit and rain’s relationship, but they did it better

Agreed

Yea exactly. Basically, by sending the dragons away he admit defeat and the villains basically won with that. I cant believe how the majority of the people are totally ok with this ending and think its plausible?

@@anfani6839 Alright you..! People Are not Dumb or Wrong For Defending HTTYD 3 and the Light fury. You're just salty about her because you're a HTTYD 2 Purist.

@@primevalyautja1305 I never said they were dumb thou? I only said I dont understand why people are ok with terrible writing. The Light Fury is also a terribly written character, which is sad, cause all the other dragons are fun to watch and especially in the netflix series they had personality and fun traits. The Light Fury however only exists to serve as a love interest and you cannot call this good character writing, no matter how much you like her in the end

@@anfani6839 Oh Blow me, you HTTYD 2 Purist..!

@@primevalyautja1305 I see you dont really have arguments to defend your point of view, hm

Another issue I take with the tail is that according to Dean when they reunite at the end of HTTYD3 Toothless has forgotten his old life because it's been 10 years. But any time he were to look at or see his tail he should notice the attachment strapped to it and remember Hiccup. You can still see it.

that and they also completely seemed to forget that valka had a bunch of disabled dragons that couldnt survive without humans. the writing was horrible in this film. they ignored so much of their own lore

​@@justarandomchick767 omg yes

@@justarandomchick767I think one of the worst examples of that is when they tried to get us to believe that "night furies can't survive in the cold" when we've been watching a night fury thrive in a blisteringly cold environment since 2010. I mean he tanked a Bewilderbeast ice blast for god's sake. Just so many weird and convoluted inconsistencies.

I have a lot of issues with the film too, but yeah one of the things I hated the most (besides revealing the biggest anticlimactic conclusion to whether or not Toothless was the last of his species and why) was that they A) destroyed the messages the first films had (think of Hiccup’s outro narration from the second film; “We may be small in numbers, but we stand for something bigger than anyone in the world can put against us. We are the voice of peace, and bit by bit, we will change this world. They may have armies and armadas, but we have our dragons!” To the conclusion of the third movie; “I was wrong, humans and dragons can never live in peace because there will always be bad people who are gonna want to kill dragons so it’s best that none of us live together in harmony. Just leave, you’ll be safer that way”), along with Hiccup and Toothless being perfectly capable of doing stuff and being badass despite both being disabled, and B) that they ruined Toothless’ character completely and named “domestication” (I’m sorry but he’s Hiccup’s FRIEND, not his dog) and “instincts” (to breed, apparently) as excuses to turn him into a creepy, slobbering dog- version of himself. The Light Fury was a boring plot device with an even more boring design, but at least she was sleek, cunning and cat- like; like Toothless used to be.

Exactly! And although Toothless was dependent on Hiccup until the 3rd movie, all the other dragons stayed with their riders by pure choice. They saw that this relationship was beneficial to both parties and that is why they stayed. And this beneficial relationship bloomed into beautiful friendship and loyalty, why would they give all of that up just to live in some sparky cave with no natural sunlight, away from their natural habitat and their friends(the vikings)? Make it make sense. Anyone that says that the 3rd movie is logical and great must be doing really heavy mental gymnastics just to construct hypothetical scenarios in which it still might make a little sense.

@@Luna-ny9fq very true imao Hell Toothless wasn’t even forced to stay with Hiccup, as Gift of the Nightfury shown that even if he wasn’t disabled he would of stayed with Hiccup- I know that the writers I think were told that the movie had to end with the dragons leaving by original book author’s request, but they could of done a better reason for the dragons to leave, like I don’t buy that just another bland antagonist that wasn’t even the worse one they faced compared to Race to the Edge was responsible for dragons and humans going separate ways like huh-

It's like they were fighting others to get power over the dragons so they could do whatever they wanted with them. Not that Hiccup loved the dragons and wanted to coexist with them, and fight for them. The "sending them away" felt kind of like an abuse of power. Because wouldn't dragons want to explore the world? If anyone has watched the TV show you know that how they interact with the wilderness is much more in depth. If the cavern was what they were designed for, then as a species they wouldn't have left. And as we already know, they are thinking beings with opinions. So there is NO WAY 100% of them would want to live there for the rest of their lives.

@@painter-wolf I know that episode (GOTNF) but I personally don't count is as cannon because it just wouldn't make sense for Toothless to not keep the independent tail as he could still stay with Hiccup and fly with him but it would've been so much more convenient and safe in all those situations where he tried to save Hiccup but couldn't because he was unable to fly. But yes, if all of the dragons would have to leave it could be due to an undefeatable enemy like a dragon disease in the human world or something(I know that's dumb but I actually can't think of any other good reason for them to leave, it's just not logical no matter how you look at it) DreamWorks should've just paid the writer off so that they could keep the dragons if that's really the reason why they made them leave

@@jewels3400 lol true It makes no logical sense that they would all be crammed in that specific area

They also barely had any character development individually

I do agree with you and with what the video talked about. I had thought of a similar ending to what was described but adding how close the gang is and keeping the villain in. Only add a reason to his behavior like they were building a relationship with dragons but Night Furies came in and freed the dragons believing that they were captured. They end up killing some people including someone important to the villain and begins his vendetta against Night Furies but hunts them down without dragons at his side. This would make him a creative thinker and manipulater to find ways to kill Night Furies which wouldn't be outside the realm of possibility due to Hiccup injuring Toothless in the first movie.

That's true too!

We don’t see them as much as the last movies

Josie Kingdom Hiccup's friends honestly just felt like background characters which is CRAZY, because they're supposed to be important

Also don't forget Bewilderbeasts as they cannot fly either. If you actually watch when they're inside the Hidden World you can flat out see Drago's Bewilderbeast amongst the dragons that acknowledge Toothless as king. Did it swim to the hole, climb onto the rocks surrounding it and just jumped down that big drop? How the hell did it survive or not break a leg or anything?

It makes no sence that toothless would forget about hiccup his tail literally would remind him of hiccup

@@kingofmonsters2063 he's an animal, still. Animals are not the brightest. If you put a collar on a dog and then set the dog free for years, it would eventually forget you too, or it would at least take some time for it to recognize you again.

@@sabis6111 yeah that works for a dog but not toothless he is shown to act like a dog i will say that but in many many cases he is extremely intelligent far beyond that of a dog he's up there with at the very least 12 year old and his class of dragon is considered extremely intelligent so him just forgetting hiccup just does not seem likley especially if he were to look at his tail becuse of the prosthetic it would remind him of hiccup

I hate that they say Toothless just forgot about Hiccup after all of the stuff they went through.

I know I am 1 year late, but Hiccup was saying his goodbye to Toothless and the rest of the vikings decided to do the same, he never told all of the dragons to leave, he was letting only Toothless go. And no one said that it wasn't hard for the dragons to leave their humans or that they didn't want to stay, but they were going to be safer. Plus Toothless is their king so they are loyal to him and respect him. And before someone says that they could've fought to stay together, they did. But there was always going to be someone trying to destroy what they have accomplished - the progress they have made between dragons and humans. And they do have an unbreakable bond. Take for example Toothless and Hiccup - at the end of the last movie they meet each other again after years, yet they still have so much love for each other. Also, I agree that it would've been a good ending if the Lightfury had stayed there and the dragons wouldn't have left, but I feel like this ending is better, because it sends a message that people need to change and become better to deserve something so incredible. This is just my opinion though.

@@annakarakoleva8533 Thank you

@@annakarakoleva8533 he also said that humans weren’t deserving of dragons yet (selfish) and like by trying to present them as extinct/ nonexistent doesn’t make sense since that would destroy how so many people already had trust and love for them so then after discovery would have to restart from uncertainty, not to mention the lack of clarity about some other islands. Plus they showed Toothless’ family visiting Berk as a movie after this meant to be before they sailed to visit Toothless but then he should be more confident it was hiccup before he sniffed him. I think there was a point on how some/ few parts Toothless seemed less of an intelligent being with bit little build up of love but that isn’t the strong issue to me.

@@annakarakoleva8533 the issue there is they don't do enough to prove that humans are not deserving of dragons. Throughout his adventures Hiccup found a lot more people who were willing to ally with dragons than otherwise, and yet Grimmel was for no apparent reason the last straw that made Hiccup give up after a mere six years? No means for humanity to become "deserving" is provided either, given most of humanity ends up belieivng dragons were never real. Heck, in a mere decade or so even the children in Berk don't think much of dragons until they actually get to see them in person.

If you read the books you will understand a bit better the movie's ending. The two stories are nothing alike, however, back before the third movie was even underway, it was stated they'd end the series like the books. I highly recommend the books. They are beautifully written, the characters are solid and they are very funny yet deeper than even the movies. Especially hiccup and toothless' bond. :) That said, I love the movies as their own story.

Thank you! It's like saying: "Well, I am not very good at solving math problems, so now I will take my math textbook, put it in the farthest, most hidden part of my drawer and lock it away until I'm good at math and then I will look at my math textbook again. Everyone would rightfully laugh at this naive and ridiculous "solution" to me sucking at math. If you're not good at it, you need to keep doing it until you are. If humans aren't very good at coexisting with dragons, they need to keep working on that until they are, not get rid of them and forget them

There are many problems with that First human exploration might have discover Hidden World Second humans for sure would find fossils of big reptiles with fings that date back like 1000 years ago Third humans won't think "let's be friends" when dragons decide to come back, they will say "Let's use jets to defend ourself" going basically to square one but on genocide level

What makes it worse is that the myths remembered about dragons would probably be all of the "this dragon can eat your leg in a single bite" "that dragon can hunt you from miles away" etc. etc. Basically everything Gobber said in the first movie lmao

Problem is Option a) Remember and keep info- Curioud people will keep on looking for them Option b) Myth: Curious people may keep on looking for them, but it will be a few that most of the time dont have the resources to do serious harm. But you are right Option a) would be better if they decide to return ://.

Nah they will return eventually just when humanity is ready for that.

Agreed. Imo a villain that is allies with other, newer seen before dragons and an army of Warriors that all hate Berk for some reason I do not want ro come up with would maybe have been cool.

Keeping Drago in would have also freed up so much time for development too, we already know who he is and his motivations but still had a little bit of mystery to him. We don't need to waste time setting him up, just dive straight into his reintroduction and it's already good.

drago wasn’t a good villain. he had potential, but it was wasted. grimmel was way, way more intimidating. he outsmarted hiccup and the others constantly. he was very one-dimensional, yes, but it honestly worked for me.

I still can't grasp how Drago took control of all those Dragons. At least he made for a good antagonist. Over powered but captivating. Unlike Gimmes or whatever his name was. I get he was supposed to be the brainy villain compared to the last two brawn villains, but he was just incredibly underwhelming.

Drago was the best villain for me. He's the alternative version that Hiccup could have become, had he killed toothless in the first movie. They're both really clever, tech savvy and know they're way around with dragons. So in that regard I think Grimmel was the most complex & challanging Antagonist

I agree, it didn't feel like the Toothless who'd risked his life on multiple occasions to save Hiccup at all.

Both Hiccup and Toothless acted out character. Valka acted out of character. Cloud Jumper... All of them acted out of character! It was maddening to watch unfold.

CleanserOfNoobs also the villain sucked. You literally could of replaced him with any other generic villain and the movie wouldn’t of changed

@@Shaddiewolf As a writer...it was like someone grinding rusted metal against a chalk board whilst singing Despicito, Let It Go, and multiple of those other annoying songs to try and drive me insane. Ever time i see a clip from it, I get flashbacks and uncontrollable just barely flinch sometimes. It's hard to ignore the problems as a normal person, but then when your a writer and you can see all the story elements that don't work...it's a fucking shame and it feels like tortue Haven't watched THW since February 22nd (I even went and saw it early on Feb 2nd cause I was that much of a fan of HTTYD) and I don't want to until five years have passed. It hasn't even been one and I hate 3 with a passion for the blemish it is on a otherwise amazing fantastic franchise.

@Saffra Kottke because he was grown and wanted to fall in love and move on. I hope you understand Toothless and Hiccup are the same age. Hiccup can fall in love and get married but Toothless can't?

Thank you so much for touching on the Alpha thingy, I feel like everyone is ignoring it. You are right; there is no way he could have become the Alpha of the entirety of the Hidden World within 1 day. This shows the pisspoor writing this movie truly has

Well then it is safe to assume that's exactly what he dude.

the message mixup was because the movie was including the book's ending. the books were exploring why humans and dragons had a mixed relationship, and couldn't get along.

@WillFanofMany How to Train Your Dragon is about challenging the natural order. Dragons were burning the Berkian's village, stealing their livestock, likely killing many of them in the first movie - but nevertheless, they learned to get along. Why would that not happen with the Hidden World? Don't you think it would make a fantastic arc, make the story go full circle? In the first movie, Vikings welcome the dragons into their homes. And if in the final movie the dragons gave the Berkians shelter when their own homes were taken, that would be a fantastic and heartwarming ending that fir with the themes. Besides, talking in a purely logical sense now, why, **why**, would Toothless not just use his seemingly limitless alpha powers (which honestly is a concept I hate but it seems to be part of the movie) to get the dragons to let the Berkians stay? He literally gets them to shut off their life preservation instincts and go into cages, for a random hoe he found the day before no less, and you're saying he'd be unable to stop dragons from attacking the Berkians?

​@WillFanofMany 1. "The dragons on Berk burned houses down, the dragons in the hidden world immediately skipped that and used their claws and mouths." But the Berkians ended up befriending those dragons even after (presumably) centuries of war with them. 2. "As I just said, the Hidden World is not habitable for humans, humans need a bit more than fish to actually live lives... especially in regards to physically health." In the same way that it is not habitable for dragons either. Dragons, need I remind you, which have evolved over likely millions of years to live in the open. They likely need sunlight for their circadian rhythm to work, a variety of food only accessible on the surface, and in the case of aquatic dragons large bodies of interconnected water. Putting them back there and expecting them to survive is akin to throwing humans in the ocean, just because we evolved from marine creatures. This is a huge plothole in the movie that doesn't stand up to scrutiny, and also a big fuck-you to the meticulous and relatively realistic world of the original HTTYD. EDIT: Also, look up "Inuit" 3. "The 2nd film was about the dangers of abuse, Toothless forcing the dragons to allow strangers to live with them would set him down a path similar to types like the Red Death and the Dark Bewilderbeast. " I don't get how you draw this parallel. The Red Death was a tyrannical leader in her own right, eating the dragons that didn't bring her back food. This had absolutely nothing to do with letting 'strangers' live in the nest. The Bewilderbeast was raised and constantly abused by Drago, who used it to help with his plans for world domination; again, I fail to grasp what the parallel here is. 4. "Toothless ordering the dragons into cages was part of his plan, not to mention Light Fury was the Queen of dragons at that point, so the dragons instincts were to protect both their king and queen by following along." How did she become queen? Where is this explained? Why would the dragons give two hoots in hell about her when all she has done is put them into risk by drawing their alpha away at a time of need? If they just do it because it is their instinct, then that is no better than the dragons coming back to the Red Death's nest without food, knowing they would be eaten - Toothless' decision to give up the dragons made no sense, and it is an insult to the dragon's intelligence that they follow this order. 5. "The dragons on Berk know vikings, the ones in the Hidden World do not. The dragons on Berk listen to Toothless, the ones in the Hidden World barely did." Again, the dragons on Berk were in a mortal war with the Vikings until they started to mutually understand each other. There being other dragons who already trust the Berkians would be a huge bonus, as it is all but confirmed that dragons can communicate with each other. While it may be difficult, it is what the main theme of the original movies is about - learning to live with others, overcoming challenges, and never giving up.

I like the idea because they could have made another movie/tv show to profit more since everyone loved httyd

@@thedis-swanner3759 But that's what they are doing *anyways.* New short movie coming out soon, and I have very low expectations for it.

I think they just took the ending from the books and slapped it onto those movies, just because. But yea, I agree. Hiccup always believed that there can be a world for those two species together, and even Valka said in the 2nd movie that he will be the one that brings the two worlds together, "thats who he is". So its very unrealistic he would suddenly go down and give up his entire dream after 1 year. Valka was in a similar position. Suddenly she thought "hmmm maybe we cannot bring the two worlds together after all" in the third movie even thou she lived in a secret dragon hideout for 20 years... Also why would Hiccup suddenly give up after a guy like Grimmel threatens them a little while Drago basically killed his father??? Thats a lot worse than just capturing all the dragons for 1 minute. Wtf Hiccup.

In short, they took an idealist and made him abandon his ideals. That's why Hiccup felt so out-of-character. They basically Luke Skywalkered him.

Alot of people like the ending

@@thefirephoenix872😂

@@thefirephoenix872 Well they clearly aren't paying attention to the big factors then. Like the overall theme of the series.

It works for the books but not the films at all. Because in the films, the dragons weren't mistreated in the slightest.

Also i'm the books toothless never left his bro

@@isauldron4337He kinda did. In the epilogue, Toothless began to spend more and more time away from Hiccup. At the time of it, Toothless had apparently been away for a while and Hiccup is waiting for him

I strongly agree

Also I'm pretty sure that tail would need to be maintained, it'll expire sooner or later and Hiccup won't be there to fix it

you wrote exactly what I am feeling! I just finished the books and the ending really fit in that scenario but in the movies it felt like an asspull

honestly ending the movies the same way as the books was just lazy writing

The reason Spirit works and HTTYD3 doesn't is because Spirit's main goal was ALWAYS to be free. Toothless loved Hiccup and never should have left. It was uncharacteristic and completely uncalled for.

Actually when I compare Spirit to HTTYD3, I think of the two but with roles reversed. In HTTYD3, we focus on Toothless (the domesticated / tamed individual ) falling in love with a wild animal (The Light Fury ) which is the same case with Spirit, except the roles are reversed. The wild animal is our protagonist, and the tamed one is the love interest. Both have the same ending: the tamed individual goes free to live with its love in the wild. To me it works a lot more in Spirit because of the way its portrayed throughout the entire movie. We see Rain and Little Creek's relationship throughout the film. Even when she falls in love with Spirit, she's still loyal to her human companion. They have a camaraderie that we see even just by helping Spirit appreciate the people of her village: they work together to tame him. It's even shown that while Spirit has an interest in Rain from the start, Rain doesn't actually fall in love with Spirit until he's learned to respect her way of life and Little Creek first. We see Rain fly to her village and her human when its in danger, even when Spirit tries to persuade her from going towards it. She's very hesitant towards the idea of leaving her home, because of its closeness to her heart and the friends she's made. She isn't 100% with the idea of going free until Little Creek encourages her to and sets her free himself. That being said, yeah I'm totally in agreement with you. We barely see any hesitation from Toothless at all when he falls for the Light Fury, and he's willing to ditch his companion, his home, and his entire flock for her at the drop of a hat, or at least the movie frames it that way. We really only see Toothless truly hesitate for a moment when he's about to fly off on his own for the first time, and never again. Even after they defeat Grimmel, its Toothless (by looking off into the clouds) who wants to return to the Hidden World. You'd think that after two films, they'd progress the growing apart of their relationship and still make it amiable, but no, the entire third film is rushed. tldr; Rain was a better Toothless than Toothless, in the roles they had.

And I suppose I should also add onto this, but even Spirit played the Light Fury's role a lot better. Like her he was wild and untamed, and had justified reasons for being distrusting toward humans (captured from his own herd, ridden against his will in an attempt to be broken.) But unlike the Light Fury, whom Toothless and subsequently Hiccup cater to without setting any boundaries, Spirit is quickly put in his place for any unruly behavior towards Little Creek by Rain. Before he can win her affections, he must come to understand and respect their way of life as well. And for a while, he even seems content with the idea of staying in the village if it means being with Rain, but he doesn't forget where he comes from and where his family is. Spirit ultimately feels torn between staying with Rain or returning home, even after Little Creek lets him go just before the village is attacked. He wants to return to his family, to his mother. At the same time, he doesn't want to be apart from Rain, but he respects that she doesn't want to abandon her own home. I guess what also makes the dynamic between Toothless, Hiccup and the Light Fury is that Toothless sets absolutely no boundaries between what the Light Fury can and can't do to Hiccup. It's okay if she doesn't trust a human immediately, but unlike Rain, Toothless fails to lay down the line when it comes to hurting him, which does feel quite out of character for him, considering that he didn't seem keen on strangers hurting Hiccup in previous entries.

omg now i understand my reaction to this movie

Yeah they could at least develop their bond more, you know, if they bond for life then it should be shown *why* they bonded. I simply hate that Toothless fell for the light fury because she's supposed to be pretty.

Yep. That and "contrived premise". We know for a fact from the TV series that Hiccup and Fishlegs know which habitats each dragon species is supposed to live on. We've seen them and the other Dragon Riders transport rescued dragons to the islands they belong on. Yet somehow, the movie starts with Berk being overpopulated with all the dragons that have been rescued. Also, the idea that the Dragon Riders have become too reliant on their dragons and are basically incompetent without them is complete nonsense. We've seen the Dragon Riders operate in the TV series. What makes them such a formidable force is that each individual is dangerous on their own, and together, they become a force to be reckoned with. It's a lesson that the Dragon Hunters learn the hard way.

@@praveenvijeyakumar741 I don't know if you know that but... race to the edge has been confirmed to be unrelated to the trilogy, it has its own continuity so isn't Canon to the movies.

@@ilyassebenana3824 Yes, I'm aware, that Race to the Edge is no longer part of the same continuity as the third film. I'm actually glad that there are two separate canons for the TV series and the movie sequels. Regardless, thanks for pointing out.

I remember crying in the cinema and was so frustrated that my family seemed to like the ending. The movie was beautiful, don't get me wrong but the ending just didn't make sense to me and I felt kind of... cheated

I watched it today because I just got traumatised from watching it for the first time , the light fury feels so much like giving up better ideas to please the kids in the cinema, the villain wasn't really nescessary I really felt like it missed the greatest strenght of the first movie wich was that the whole plot was not defeating the bad guy but there was much much deeper meaning behind it. There really is no saving the series thankfully we have all the other movies and tv series (except with new ones in recent times with awful ... everything idk why it happened it's a disgrace). The thing that bugged me the most is as you said the ''out of character'' part, first of all why they kept going to the bad guy getting hurt and running away all the time it felt frustraiting second of all the elephant in the room Toothless being horny out of his mind for some badly design female version of him and just leaving Hiccup and not coming back to him like he never was there, when I watched the first and second movie it just felt so right and so complete , in under two hours they really made a masterpiece in all aspects but the third movie just feels violating and disrespectful I honesty wish it was never made and we were still waiting for it to be done to this day so maybe they'll come up with better plot, such a waste to one of a kind series....

Not every movie with humans and magical creatures needs to explain why they aren’t here anymore. People watch HTTYD because of the dragons, not the realism or the connections to the real world. If that was the case why are there only small islands? Where are the huge lands that build todays countries?

⁠​⁠@@GurkenbauerTim Yep, would have much preferred if they had forgone any real life connection. It’s just not necessary.

Yeah the reasons felt very forced. First it was that it was getting too crowded. They solved that. They got a bigger island. We’re all good now right? Nope. Then it was that people are too mean. Okay? You’ve literally been dealing with that already. It’s a fact of life: when things change, people are gonna resist, sometimes violently. A major point of the franchise was not giving in to that peer pressure to just do what others want over what’s right. But instead, they pack ‘em all up and ship ‘em down under, not only completely undoing all the work they had done to integrate their societies, but also leaving them extremely vulnerable now that so many people hated them for befriending the dragons. There were certainly elements of this movie that I enjoyed, but things like the ending and the aggressive doggification of Toothless kinda threw me off.

@RuneBlu It's essentially Yin and Yang, they should have had her be far more aggressive than she is

@@pilummurialis6490 wasn't toothless like really aggressive and violent in the first one wasn't he attacking berk so there was no need for her to be violent toothless already was

@@fishboy2831 every dragon was, not just him

@@pilummurialis6490 i know i was just saying toothless was violent as swell

Kona And Other Things except that dean wanted a plot of grimmel killing all the night furies which he didn’t toothless was still alive

Leaning *far* out of the window here but imagine HTTYD with the context of racism instead of dragons. Blacks were portrayed as bad people and people killed or enslaved them, but eventually people warmed up to them and accepted them. Some people just can’t accept them no matter how hard you try to convince them. Since not 100% of the population can accept every race they should all hide on a secret, off the map island until we are ready to accept them.

That’s an exaggeration

@@shrekwesmobamboo No, it's just a summary of the movie's message. The characters DO realize that the world is slow to change, and their solution to that IS to just give up, go back to having humans and dragons living separately again, and wait for the world to fix itself on it's own. And the movie treats this as the right thing for them to do.

@@smoldragon339 i still feel as tho the real message is that you shouldn’t try to combine two entirely different species together to the point where it causes a problem. Toothless and hiccup found a hidden world and sanctuary they can peacefully survive in, and this is a solution within a solution. I don’t feel they’re giving up but just giving in.

@@shrekwesmobamboo Giving in IS giving up. The dragons cannot roam free anymore, they are confined to that hidden world. Yes, it's a peaceful place, but it's peaceful confinement. Of an entire species. Instead of fighting for a world where future humans and future dragons could live together, they decided to re-segregate their two species and condemn future generations of dragons to confinement because short-term peace was less scary. And even if you do go with the message you describe, that message STILL undermines the first movie. Whenever you combine two different groups, especially if they're two entirely different species, there's always going to be some differences. And sometimes yes, those differences might cause problems. So you work through them. You work to understand one another, and work to help others understand as well. You don't just give in and cease all interaction between the two groups entirely (save for once every several years) just because you hit bumps in the road.

Toothless' girlfriend in the books is much better. Her name is The Stormfly, and it's really a one sided crush on Toothless' end. This has very little relation on the plot, and Hiccup has no girlfriend, either. And I am also annoyed at the lack of character development for the Light Fury.

Well, I have been waiting for 10 years just to end up seeing a LIGHT FURY, not another Night fury(female) just imagine how much story they could take out from the apparition of another Toothless' species BUT, they didn't give, not a single clue about what happened to them, they were all hunted, that's it, wonderful way to end up the trilogy. Gosh. Sorry for my english.

@@Valfa04 I agree, the story behind the light furies should've been better written.

And I swear somewhere through the franchise they said Night furys were very intelligent for there species? If there were why didn’t at least one stay down there. There was a variety of dragons down there and one specie of Night fury could not stay down there? They didn’t show much of aquatic dragons down there but the movie gave the feeling that any dragon should be down there.

@@rusttytoasttz In the books, dude. In the books there's no Astrid.

THANK YOU! Oh my gosh this is probably the hugest gaping hole in the franchise!

Well, given that the full line in the movie is "people believe the dragons are gone, if they ever existed at all", I had assumed that that was describing two groups of people, those that did live in dragon territory and knew they were real and thought they went extinct, and those that lived outside it and had likely never even seen a dragons, just heard tales of them from 'crazy' northmen.

Well only Hiccup and Astrid know the exact location of the Hidden World so no one can really go there. Its not like people forgot where the dragons went. They just don't know.

@@Jwsponky makes a good point. The way I understood it was a subtle commentary on people today, trying to speak to the imagination of the kids in the audience wishing dragons exist. I know it's in Hiccup's voice and Jwsponky's explanation makes a lot of in-world, narrative sense, but I couldn't help but feel like, being part of a monologue, when that line was written, it was intended to be directed at the audience.

Thank ye stranger

You summed up my thoughts perfectly :p

100% agree with this. I'm so sick of "tearful goodbyes". If I wanted to be sad and part ways with all the people I loved and respected, I would just hang out irl and never watch animated films. There is a reason I like watching animated films and want to escape for a few moments! Is is so hard to ask for a stable relationship in a film that people can enjoy and find comfort in?

Because that's life. If you can't let go of animated characters that aren't even real, how the hell can you let go of real people? Things change. People drift.

I mean, im an emotionally unstable teen girl who had no friends at the time, but when I heard how the movie was gonna end a year or so ago (that it would end how the books started) it sent me into a deep shock and depression. I know its idealistic to have life long friends, especially from your teenage years like Hiccup had, but unlike our complicated world which has people travel and go different places entirely, their world was too tight knit, too recluse to have that issue. It would have been nice to see a friendship that stood against the world instead of a painful reminder that all my friends I struggled to get and the friendships I treasured could so easily end

@Trvrr Zbsky Of course no one 'wants' to; I literally never said that. But it happens, sometimes for the best, even if it's hard to accept. If you refuse, you'll end up holding them back. This is exactly what we see with Toothless; he was going to become the literal king of dragons. If he'd stayed with Hiccup, he would have lost that right. Once again: That's just life. Better you accept it now than to get blindsided by it later.

I literally have a stomach ache since i saw the ending of the last Movie.

@@merlin_V2 I’m not even surprised. It’s sad and feels out of place.

I know, I was also like "well, what about all the other Berkians? Do they get to visit their dragons too? They loved them just as much as Hiccup loved Toothless but I guess only the chiefs get visitation rights 🤷‍♀️

Did you ever stop to think, maybe the third movie wasn't the end? That the ending of the movie was a little hint at more movies to be coming. Watch the ending again, and listen very carefully at everything that's being said, there's a hidden message in there, try and see if you can figure it out. :)

@@inspiringothers7197 There is a hope for Httys 4🤞

@@inspiringothers7197 sadly, there most likely won’t be anymore movies to come... this series was meant to be a trilogy, so I see no reason as to why they would make more movies. We can look forward to more shorts though :) I wish they made another TV series, maybe one that is set after HTTYD2?

@@inspiringothers7197 Whatever you're reading into, that's just not true

The ending also didnt make sense at all. Why would Hiccup and the rest of Berk just simply give up? After they defeated Drago in the second movie (aka the man who practically killed Valka's bewilderbeast AND Hiccups dad) they were like "we can do anything!!!" and here after Grimmel, a guy who literally only threatened the people throughout the entire movie and captured the dragons at the end for like 2 minutes, Hiccup suddenly goes like: "Omggg this is sooo cruel! Omg we dont deserve you dragons! You should leave!" Like what

​@@anfani6839 Yeah, it is absolutely insane and doesn't make any sense at all. I hate the third movie with every fiber of my being. It frustrates me that that was the route the directors chose, and it frustrates me even more that audiences liked the damn thing. Were they even watching the same movie as us? Did they even understand the themes in the first two films? Or were they only interested in the franchise because DrAgOnS r NeAt?

100000 million times this! I despise this movie soooo very much - and it's not even that I've grown up or anything, cause I rewatched the other two movies after the third one and I still loved them to bits! I really dont understand how people can like this. My guess would be that they find the Nightlight romance to be cute and were probably too stunned by the visuals to notice all the flaws this movie has... I honestly wish I could erase this movie from existance and from everybodys mind so that I dont have to think about how much I hate this movie anymore

@@anfani6839 Even though Toothless/Light Fury is actually lust, not love. The message sent here is extremely creepy.

It’s clear you guys take fictional movies way too seriously. We get it, you hate the third movie. It was a huge disappointment for you and that really sucks. But surely, it’s not worth anyone’s time to hate something so much that’s not even real or has that much of a major impact on anyone’s life.

I know right? Astrid already filled the role of love interest. We didn't need another one.

anytime I find a movie of a series to be out of tone/theme and painfully bad to sit and watch through I don't consider that movie to be cannon eventhough it technically is.

@@PIB2000 i like the idea of the dragons doing romance but not in a way that kinda destroys the trilogy

*@Rainbow Strike:* same. And why does it have to be white for it to be female? (I'll confess that for the longest time I thought Toothless _was_ female! Fishlegs calls Meatlug "girl" and I could swear I remember hearing the other Dragon Riders refer to their dragons as females too.)

@@ZJCitricAcidGraf.E.T. There are male light furies!! The light fury we see in the movie is a part of a different species of dragon related to the night fury (Like how dogs are simmilar to wolves)

what do you think of the books?

It's as if this movie was commissioned by PETA or something.

yeah, that follows what the video said about the dragons also having the right to exist and explore this earth. it's a shame that the ending basically argues that they should limit themselves to the hidden world just because there will always be human threats; following the themes from httyd 1 & 2, wouldn't the correct theme of httyd 3 be "even though human threats to dragons are inevitable, we will always do our best to defeat them and protect dragons"? in the real world, poachers are terrible threats to rhino/elephant populations but we still do our best to prevent them from killing these animals instead of shoving all the rhinos/elephants into impenetrable enclosures closed off from the rest of the world... plus, the berkians have already demonstrated that they will do whatever it takes to protect dragons, even doing so much as LEAVING BERK. it's a bit strange to suddenly flip on that stance for this ending to the franchise imo

...uh...huh modern conservation techniques.... yes...this wonderful technique of literally destroying all the habitat in the world that these animals live in. comparing it to modern day techniques....is just...really really really really bad.

@@LilyUnicorn Excuse You? conservationists are trying their damnedest, pioneering new and effective techniques better than anything that's come before. We're doing everything we can, and somehow we're responsible habitat destruction? Not the governments and corporations who refuse to give us funding because they do not care about the environment (which was the same in the 80s). A green sustainable future is ready to go but whether the world accepts it is a different matter that is out of conservationists hands.

Now let’s focus on steven universe future

Yes, one big YES

I made a whole WP book about it, my heavy opinion on Stormless, the third movie and my own AU, so I'm happy others agree with my perspectives/opinions! I was pretty surprised to find this video, let alone the popularity of similar opinions, let alone this one. Plus, it goes against the ENTIRE franchise. It makes Dagur's and Viggo's motives/plans/knowledge absolutely USELESS! And it puts the movie-short 'The Gift Of The Night Fury' in the gutter. If being the king of the hidden world was Toothless' SUPPOSED destiny, why didn't he go to it when Hiccup made him a tail he could use himself? How could he NOT find it? Or at least bump into/bring back a Light Fury? Or even get shot DOWN by a hunter/Grimmel because he was mostly hunting down Hiccup's helmet during the DAY?

I know right. After the nostalgia wore off I just thought, damn this movie wasn't nearly as good as it could've been and far from as emotional as it deserved to be.

The 3rd movies ending didn’t give me that special feeling that the 2nd And 1st movie gave me.

Me too

I’m the same way I like it but the movie had so much potential

And the ending only made the lack of those scenes worse

@@Mythical_Being eh not sure about that for me but your opinion.

*picks up plastic Toothless toy* "You ain't gettin' any on my watch."

*Hugs my toothless plush and cushion* "I hereby forbid you from getting a girlfriend"

@@bunnypolaris9800 "We all know what happened the last time one of MY plushies tried to get a girlfriend..." *shows a pile of stuffing*

Arely De La Luz I did too... and then got the Light Fury 2 months later!! I also have one of their babies! 😀😀😀❤️🐉

@Brecken Smith Least you managed to grow up though, some people are adults and still collect children toys lmao.

Well, Look who's salty over A Realistic Conclusion to a Trilogy.

Even in the books dragons like Toothless, Stormfly etc. stayed with their rider, because they valued their bond more than some life in a watery hole. Here they just leave because Plot.

Exactly - how are those two groups supposed to learn to live with each other if they don't even see one another?? Or is Hiccup expecting that magically humans will just go like, "ohhh booooyyy we really shouldnt abuse dragons anymore" out of the blue? Especially if he already said that people had already forgotten that dragons existed - so wtf was even the point?

What's even more dumb is that they make it sound like EVERY single entire dragon in the world went to the Hidden World. The setting is set in Scandinavia which is just one part of the whole world. I guess all the Scandinavian dragons went to the Hidden World but what about dragons that are not even living in the Scandinavian region. Let's go back to 2nd film and point out Drago: Stoick called him a stranger from a strange land, even though they never flat out say where Drago is from we can easily tell he's from a more Southern, warmer and exotic land nowhere near the cold Scandinavian region because of his tanned skin, dreadlocks and accent. Also the art book said the sun emblem on his belt is meant to show he's from a warmer climate. Remember what Drago said? He said his village was burned and massacred by dragons when he was just a child. If Drago's village is in a completely different region nowhere near the one this series is set in then it's pretty obvious that there are dragons living in other areas of the world. Also it sounds like those dragons were flat out merciless. Hell we don't even know what sort of dragons they were. They could be some species we haven't seen yet that are not native to cold regions and actually have a taste for human flesh or are just flat out evil. Are we just gonna ignore that there are probably still loads of dragons living outside the Scandinavian region and some of them are probably still untamed going around massacring villages and making people go through the same trauma Drago went through and flat out started his dark path and sooner or later it's gonna happen to someone else and history repeats itself?

The producers with the Toothless/Light Fury really took a page from Twilight from that one, because it's exactly what Twilight did on it's day: Portraying obsessive lust as true love.

@@jorgebersabe293 It's the 21th century and some people still think shallow "love at first sight" stories are a still good idea🤦I hate them with a passion. No meaningful character depth or development. If it were a slow burn and Light Fury had an actual personality, it'd have been better. But no, they treated Toothless and her like some bloody hormone-driven animals, despite them displaying human-like intelligence and feelings :/

@@loremipsum980 Light Fury is essentially a blank slate and a plot device without any personality beyond being Toothless love interest. In other words: A draconic Bella Swan.

A 21 year old telling an entire species to go where they came from without ever asking anyone if thats cool with them, too, seems pretty sus

Toothless doesn't recognize hiccup is similar to animals in real life when they are apart from their owners for quite some tile they need to smell them to remember them, watch on internet cats and dogs that were apart from their owners and you'll see thta they take quit some before they recognize them

@@sussy-t just kidding, but - you do recognize that you are comparing a gog to a drsgon, while using term "in real life", don't you? 😂

@@hackdesigner because toothless is actually based on a mix of real life animals

@@hackdesigner the reason why thoothless didn’t recognize hiccup was that thoothless hadn’t seen hiccup in 9 years and he also had a beard

@@hackdesigner But that's what happened in the movie though. He recognised Hiccup through his scent. It makes sense that Toothless would take a hot minute to recognise Hiccup. He hasn't seen him in 9 years and he looks a lot different from the last time he saw him. He probably doesn't think about Hiccup everyday at this point either. Maybe you could argue the metal leg should've given it away, but Toothless has seen other humans with prosthetics before. The only way it doesn't make sense for Toothless to not recognise Hiccup is that Homecoming contradicted that a bit by having Toothless revisit New Berk before the events of HTTYD 3's epilogue, so he should have recognised Hiccup instantly as he's already seen him recently.

Your a better writer than dreamwork. This could have made the franchise complet insted of a half assed ending that throw eveything about the 2 first movies out the vindow.

@@glowingclaw6186 Thanks so much! Maybe I should be a Character designer and a writer xDD

That's very good, gotta admit that. I thought all the time during the third movie, that it was kinda over the top that one guy, a single person, killed a whole species of dragons. Which also was supposed to be the smartest kind with one of the best camouflage abilities. So it would make no sense that Toothless was the only one to somehow survive. So your idea complements that pretty good. But I think the riders wanted to keep him unique, so he still could have a family with the Light Fury - but be an unique design. Or that the children watching the movie could seperate Toothless and the Light Fury, which would be supposedly hard to if they both looked so similar.

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Thank. You. So. Much. If only they did something along those lines instead! ♥️

*And here's just my mind running rampant with the ideas you've come up for an alteration of the movie's plot* Possible thoughts for the other side of the coin would be that, over the course of many years (maybe 10? 15? Actually I was under the impression that in the third movie, prior to hearing anything else other than its release date of 2018 (before getting changed to '19), Hiccup was probably around late 20s-early 30s in age and by the end he was an old man) Hiccup could've been persuading other nearby tribes and clans that dragons aren't that bad and human and dragons can coexist with one another, so we could get some instances of trade by dragon or stuff like that. And I think the conflict brought up in the video of a clan of Vikings unwilling to listen would be really neat, perhaps this clan was an extremely well respected group of Vikings that all other smaller chains in other areas (including Berk) all got their ideas, beliefs and values from, particularly the belief that all dragons are evil. We could get some exposition backstory on how their ancestors were from this tribe and sailed the seas to various lands and conquered them all or something as well! And yeah, again mentioned from the video, their conflicts may be arising from other dragons in the vicinity, other Red Death like dragons or even a Bewilderbeast, and eventually via the help of Hiccup and his team they quell the conflict and the well respected Viking clan turn over a new leaf. And in the meantime of this uprising conflict, perhaps mating season could be occurring like the video mentioned and all the dragons could be going to that one island mentioned in "Gift of the Night Fury". Perhaps Toothless takes Hiccup alongside with him since in the prior mentioned movie Toothless didn't want to leave Hiccup behind with anything, as weird as it sounds. Then, with Hiccup potentially avoiding the gazes of any other dragon, hiding or acting as a live catch in a comedic manner in order to not start a ruckus, maybe there the two search for potential mates for Toothless (Hiccup could potentially bring an immature (as in not mature enough to mate)/baby dragon along just in case Toothless finds a mate and decides to stay) and just when they are about to give up Hiccup spots a small group of Light/Night Furies out for Toothless. Then during the interactions Toothless finds a female that he has particular interest in, and the two can have introductions and everything. Hiccup decides this is a good time to leave and tells Toothless that he will do so in secret. Toothless is upset but Hiccup reassures that he will come back periodically to check up on him, and Hiccup leaves via the baby/immature dragon. Then during these times we can cut in-between the two with Hiccup trying to convince the clan to get along with dragons via the baby/immature dragons they have and Toothless further strengthens his bond with the new female. Perhaps during some instances of Hiccup's periodic returns Toothless could potentially try to introduce Hiccup to his female love interest and/or the small group, with either side being uncomfortable with the process (this could potentially lead to more interactions with Hiccup and the female), but eventually come to the realisation that neither side poses any threat to each other. However we should also show the two of them having to cope with not being aside one another, and potentially even have a moment of realisation that one day one of the two will pass away and the other will have to officially continue on without the other. This leads to Hiccup ultimately creating the tail fin, bringing it over and applying it to Toothless. Toothless initially rejects it at first but Hiccup tells him that Toothless may need it some day for survival should the time comes that he passes away, leading Toothless to begrudgingly leave the auto tail fin on. Potentially, we could also see the two of them becoming stronger without the need for one to be by the others' side as well, like perhaps Hiccup growing more confidence in his leadership capabilities as an individual rather than a team and Toothless adapting more primal tactics and learning to associate himself and socialise better with the small Night/Light Fury group. The climax of the fight between the clan and the dragons (definitely with the aid of their dragon leader) rises during the span of all of this happening. The climax then happens where the dragons initially seem to have the upper hand and just when everything is about to fail the tamed dragons fly in and save the day (some of them with their potential mates, such as perhaps Toothless and his), subduing the ongoing war and convincing the clan that dragons really aren't bad as they seem. Victory ensues and there is a voice over narration from Hiccup telling how the clan eventually adopted their own dragons, and the scene cuts to a significantly older Hiccup and Toothless, each now successfully bearing a lineage of children in order to continue their legacy as the duo who severed the antagonistic views between man and dragon.

@@v1c-was-her3 a. woah, the first part sounds like... the books. I think you should try them if you haven't already. It starts of seemingly simple, but explores the history of the human tribes and their relationship with dragons, philosophy stuff, and Book Hiccup's changing role in society. b. ooh... I like that. Could you elaborate with what Astrid's role would be in this version?

@@maggieent3215 I'm genuinely surprised you read this (since I leave large comment not really expecting much haha) but I appreciate it immensely! A. Oooh that actually sounds pretty cool, perhaps after my finals I could get around to seeing it. I only have the most basic knowledge of the books so hearing this is really neat! B. Hm, in terms of Astrids role we could insert what happened in the third movie during the Hiccup centric parts; the areas where Hiccup is contemplating life without Toothless could pretty much be akin to scenes in the third movie (where he was worried that he may not be able to cope without Toothless and she could act as a support during these times). I suppose then we'd need a healthy balance between Hiccup and Toothless parts. I'm personally unsure if in the alternate movie thought we should show a scene of them getting married though it may be necessary since during the ending we see their children anyway, but I guess it could be slotted in there somewhere...

@Vic the Nobody I love this! Do you write fanfiction, have a channel, Webtoon, Deviantart? etc.. I would love to see more!

@@CatherineUmbreon96 Aaaa thank you!! I'm happy more people are reading this! I personally don't write fanfictions haha, only come up with plots and synopses for series (like cartoon, video games) I come up with, original or inspired by an existing series I'm sure you could find some external links to other profiles in my RU-vid one?

Oh i really love Viggo

Agreed. I honestly would've loved the third movie ten times more if they had him as the villain. Even if he was forcibly shoehorned in, he's such a good character that it would've made up for it. They could've stolen his character arc directly from Race to the Edge and I wouldn't have minded.

I personally think Drago should have been the villain for the third movie. There is so much backstory they could have explored, and he could have been the one who killed the night furies. They also need to learn that falling into water doesn’t kill people

Viggo was a really great villain.

@JustAnotherGeek You do know the animated series AND the movies are connected right? Viggo died by the end of the animated series, sacrificed himself in a very "Darth Vader-esque" kind of way to save Hiccup.

If they wanted to stay true to the book, then they should have made Toothless a tiny little green lizard, just like in the book. Obviously they had no interest in "following the book" when it came to that little tidbit!

When I read the book ending with the flash forward of Hiccup in the world of harmony that he created and I compared it to the flash forward of the movie I wanted to die

@@eliaskyriakou6253 I'm very glad that the books understood that a sad ending doesn't automatically mean good.

I mean it would still work with the ending scene with the dragon kids too, since Toothless and Hiccup could reunite one year and see that they’ve both created new families for eachother without it feeling like they had been separated for 30 years.

Agreed on the light fury thing and the idea I have not only gives her a reason to be the way she it also makes it where their would have been night furies in the hidden world Explanation : One direction they could have went in they could have given her skin pigmentation problem which would make her an albino night fury making it easy for humans to trap and find her which is why she is so scared of them also it would make her stand out having it be there are more night furies In the hidden world but her be the only white one or if she was supposed to be a light fury she should have been the female version of a night fury extremely dangerous and poisonous to humans and other animals because in the animal kingdom the brighter and prettier the animal looks more likely it's going to kill you making her a more dangerous version of toothless having it before the the fury species the male is the one that takes care of the offspring and find food at night which explains their color while the female is more of the dangerous protector which would also make her more vicious and cautious then the male, partly explaining why tooth is much more kind having her design a bit more Sharp making the spikes on her back not only poisonous but painful making that the reason why humans can't ride them and if they really needed a villain the light furies could have been the dragon grimmauld was using the poison from also giving her another reason to hate humans Also it would have been cute if when hiccup puts on that tail where he can fly on his own toothless shows the light fury Burke a lot like when hiccup showed Astrid what it was like to fly on a dragon , toothless could be showing the light fury the benefits of being around humans , why they're not dangerous and then that leads to that cute flying around scene that was in the movie and since he showed her his home she takes him to the hidden world to show him her home

A sluug!!! 😂😂 omg. I've never heard anyone put it like that, but I 100% agree. 🤣 lmao

I see where you’re coming from. In the second movie I can see where Alpha toothless can be a bit much, but I at least enjoyed it because it was Toothless giving his all for a life long friend. Vs. turning part skrill for some girl he just met. Of course I still would’ve loved more of Hiccup & Toothless’s combined intelligence and ferocious speed, even in movie 2. But in the 3rd movie it especially felt like they just thought “the flashier the better” and ended it there.

Agreed :D

or maybe the Hidden world is where toothless' parents lived and it was his birthplace

@@dragozillasaur813 Yeah!

@@banshee_gayming But still I'd Prefer HTTYD the Hidden world over HTTYD 2 any day

It is definitely not a race comparison at all.

No. They are a different species with their own habitat. As an analogy: It's okay for elephants and humans to stay segregated to avoid conflict. Even if it is that allegory, it's not wrong. When Germany was unsafe for Jews, some good people helped them hide until the time was right.

"HeE hOo isn't this a GrEaT mOvIe?!"

Yeah, and Woody also left all his friends for a girl

@@MeAnINFP I think Woody left because he didn't feel like he had a purpose ever since Bonnie stopped playing with him.

@shreya vijaya I would have liked this movie more if they just kept the part about Drago redeeming himself. In fact since the plan they had for him was him washing up on an island home to an aggressive dragon and he grew to bond with it and he was gonna side with Hiccup in the climax to fight Grimmel, they could gone with after it's over Drago is the only one who flat out refuses to let his dragon go to the Hidden World cuz he has a special attachment to it and flies away with it to find somewhere else to live with it willing to take the risk. Cuz of reason B with sending the dragons away to hide won't work anyway and even if he redeemed himself Drago isn't gonna be so easily forgiven by Berk so he won't be accepted there so he has to find his own place to settle down and live.

You are absolutely right. Dont forget about the fact that there are even species of dragons that cant leave their islands because they cant fly/only eat food that grows specifically there. What happens to those? And how is it even possible for so many dragons to live in peace in some shitty watery hole? I mean I cant imagine there being enough sunlight and food supplies that they never have to resurface once on a while again - also the light fury must have lived down there before she was captured by Grimmel, right? That only further proves that the dragons still sometimes go to the surface, therefore not being safe at all like Hiccup said. Plus, its pretty unrealistic that all the dragons just magically get along down there; we saw a lot of cases of dragons being extremely hostile etc. in the Netflix series so wtf were they thinking when they made the Hidden World a thing?

@@anfani6839 The fact that Toothless and his family were just hanging around at the entrance hole in the epilogue just proves the dragons have to keep going to the surface The only dragons that seem suitable for the Hidden World are dragons that spend most of their time underground like Whispering Deaths as they hate sunlight (but they never even physically appear in the movies). Oh on the subject of dragons that can't fly we flat out see Drago's Bewilderbeast in the Hidden World. Bewilderbeasts can't fly so did it just swim up to the rocks surrounding the entrance hole, climb on them and jump down the hole without SOMEHOW not breaking a a leg from the fall? How on earth did he reach the area where all the dragons bowed to Toothless through all those giant jagged spiked glowing rocks that Stormfly had to fly over? How's he going to go back up the hole if he can't fly? From what I understand Dean DeBlois didn't make the Netflix series and in his eyes it's not canon (the continuity is confusing anyway). But even if you ignore those events with all those other dragons and the tribes that had be protecting, riding and worshipping dragons long before Berk did the ending still doesn't work because there must be dragons living outside of the islands the movies are set in. They're just a bunch of islands not the mainland. So what about dragons that actually live on the mainland of the Viking countries or other parts of the world like Asia or Africa? What about Drago's village that was wiped out by dragons? Are we supposed to just forget that important detail? We don't know for sure where Drago came from but it's obvious he's not from the Viking region because of his tanned skin implying he's from a far warmer climate nowhere near the Viking region and a different ethnic race to the Vikings. The types of dragons were Drago came from are still probably going around terrorising and burning villages causing people to still live in fear and go through the same horror Drago went through as a child and a possible risk of history repeating itself with somebody going down the same path as Drago. You know if they just kept the whole little plot about Drago returning, getting development and redeeming himself I would have found something to enjoy about this movie but nope it's scrapped!.

it's Grimmel, but no worries. ... and have you heard of the books?

@@maggieent3215 I've heard of them but I haven'r read them. I wanted to lend the only one translated to Croatian back when I was a kid but it wasn't in the library at the time and then I forgot about them for a while. Realized later that it was a series. I might give them a read inr day but I'll have to get them online since I can't find them here (except the previously mentioned on in the library).

I find what you said extremely relatable, I could never see the sweetness in the ending and I always thought about the other dragon riders and their dragons that they never saw again after toothless led them away. I’m actually trying to make a hidden world re-write and animatic, an entire new movie basically, just without voice acting, music, or proper animation. My goal is to create a version of the movie that everyone can enjoy, so I want to make several re-write animatics, some with the lightfury, some with nightfurys, some with both, etc, but I’m having a bit of trouble finding out what different people want, I have a few ideas already (no hidden world at all, berkians go to the hidden world, some dragons go and some stay, etc) but I’m still struggling finding more ideas of what different people want, you mentioned having made some fan-fiction before, would you mind telling me some things that you personally would’ve preferred over what we got?

​@@SolvaneonAndBenjamin I have to say, all respect to you for making such ambitious project, I really hope it work well for you. As for my fan-fiction, I wasn't exactly planning to rewrite the ending, more like making another "sequel". One of the most favorite on mine was that after the events of THW ending (reunion after one decade) and Homecoming, both Berkians and their "tamed" dragons start suffer even more from separation anxiety. Eventually, Hiccup awakens his "following dreams" self again, and Berkians try to build some sort of "frontier settlement" on the mostly uninhabited edge of Hidden World. Thing go rough at start, due to the wild dragons seeing them as intruders at first, so Toothless, Stormfly, Meatlug, Hookfang and others have to help to ease the tension. Over the time, Berkians earn respect (or at the very least truce) with local wildlife (with the help of fact that they prevent some poaching operations of another tribe that infiltrated Hidden World as well, albeit for greedy purposes to poach dragon hatchlings) and settle there finally for good. If you want to add some more fantasy flavor, I have also one small add-on. During their first stage of settling in Hidden World, Hiccup and his family discover ancient tablets from civilization from bygone era, long before the time of Viking age. This civilization also attempted to live in harmony with dragons, and also had a problems to coexist with wild population in Hidden World. However, they discovered some sort of magic ritual, that enabled them to bond with their chosen dragons on even deeper level (I was inspired by rituals made by many tribal societies in our world, so called "Blood Brothers"), in which humans gained some level of dragon nature (my name for these human-dragon hybrids was "Dragon-kin", I know, not exactly creative). Berkians will study this ritual, and eventually do it themselves (with Zephyr and Nuffkin becoming dragon-kin with Toothless' son and daughter, and many other Berkian children bonding with hatchlings of Stormfly, Meatlug and Hookfang). This will allow them to be seen by wild dragons as "their kind" and help to end hostilities. One small detail I also imagined is that dragon-kin humans can be recognized by having small spot of scales of their chosen dragon on the back of their hands (so Hiccup would have black from Toothless, Astrid azure from Stormfly, Fishlegs brown from Meatlug, Snotlout reddish from Hookfang, twins green from Barf and Belch etc.). Important part of that ritual is however (in order to prevent any shady individual of becoming dragon-kin and misuse dragon trust) is that chosen dragon has to bond with said individual from his/her free will. I don't know, perhaps I'm turning it into too much of a fantasy, so I'd like to hear what you think. And if you find some of it interesting, feel free to use it, don't ask. I'm definitely not gonna bully you for "copyright" or "appropriating", seeing my idea being used to develop franchise in better way than how it officially ended is more than enough reward for me 🙂 Btw, I hope I written it understandably, I'm not native speaker when it comes to English, and my English is rather rusty, so my apologies for any mistakes of any kind.

@@mausolus8466 thank you! I really like your ideas (also don’t worry your English is perfect) thanks for responding!

@@SolvaneonAndBenjamin My pleasure, and thank you. Good luck with your project.

Nah! People are not wrong for Defending HTTYD 3

No, 'cause it's not possible to persuade every human being on the face of earth. and there will be someone like grimmel to use the Dragons as Cannon Fodder.

@@primevalyautja1305 As hiccup said in HTTYD 2, in that case you fight them. Grimmel is nothing new. Grimmel is a weaker and less scary version of drago. Yet he won because toothless wanted to get it on with a sparkly beluga.

@@VivianaSilverback Yeah, Take your Pseudo Facts elsewhere, We Don't need HTTYD 2 Purists

@@primevalyautja1305 We don't need obsessive HTTYD 3 stans either. Mad because we think your childhood movie is trash? Keep coping and learn to respect opinions. Also, the hell is "HTTYD 2 purist?" Sone sorta of cult? I'd like to join.

@@VivianaSilverback I Respect but Fulyl disagree with your opinions. BTW, Why'd you think HTTYD 2 Toothless' Design is better than hTTYD 3 Toothless' design I'm curious

The plot seems to completely forget that the movie just takes place is just in one part of the world specifically just a bunch of islands in the Scandiavian sea between Greenland and Norway. There's no way every single entire dragon in the world got the message and went into hiding. There clearly would be still loads of dragons living in other parts of the world. The 2nd film already hinted at this in regards to Drago with his village being burned. Stoick called him a stranger from a strange land. Although not directly stated where he's from Drago's tanned skin, dreadlocks and accent are enough to hint he's from a far warmer climate and isn't native to the Viking islands. The artbook even said Drago is supposed to be from some place like Africa so his village clearly isn't any place near the Viking region and they have their own possible set of native dragon species that we have not seen. This basically means that there are probably still dragons out there in other parts of the world that are untamed terrorising and burning villages so people will still be living in fear and terror of them just like what happened with Drago and potentially cause history to repeat itself.

She should've been a leucistic Night Fury. Like Albinism, Leucism is a lack of pigment that results in a white animal. They also often have blue eyes, so the blue-eyed white color scheme could've been kept but like you said it would've made a lot more sense.

How do you know it's a good video without watching it?

@@Barmeecarba i watch on 2x speed because i prefer it