How Elden Ring's Open World Succeeds 

No spoilers beyond Limgrave and the Weeping Peninsula.

Elden ring is really one of two open world games that I think actually live up to the name. The other being breath of the wild. So apparently the way to make a good open world game is to come out after a horizon game lol

Also technically, there is even a way to skip Margit and Godrick and enter the second region, Liurnia, if you explore enough and find this alternate path.

I will never forget how my friends and I played for days without speaking about it. Then when trying to talk about it without spoilers; "Did you find the ruins etc etc this direction?" Realized we all ran around roughly in the same areas but never in the same exact path so we collectively discovered things we all missed. It was a fantastic feeling

2:02 I've played Skyrim for more hs than I care to count, and something I'll never forget is when I found a Novice Necromancer enchanting a chicken in the woods for practice. It felt so beautifully unnecessary and fun. I loved that tiny moment.

The "northernmost stronghold" isnt mandatory, as you can just explore further up and you'll get taken to the relevant zone even without defeating the boss in the stronghold!

Speaking technically, even the two "mandatory" bosses in the region are optional. You can actually completely bypass Stormveil Castle (granted ofc, you can manage being underleveled for Liurnia)

I love BOTW but it definitely did the whole “I have an important overarching quest I need to be doing right now but instead I am picking mushrooms”. Poor Zelda has been fighting off Ganon for like 100 years and Link is taking his sweet time.

it's insane that there are actually *no* mandatory bosses in Limgrave nor the Weeping Peninsula. I think there are only about 10 mandatory bosses in the entire game. Absolutely insane

Elden Ring doesn't just not flex its size. If you pay attention to the map, its doing everything it can to hide how big its map is. When you get your first map, it is a square just containing west Limgrave and a black cutoff all around the square. Trying to make you believe that is the extend to this map. Faded edges and fog of war cover parts of the map, but the black square cutoff is saying, "thats all there is here, nothing beyond this border". Once you start getting more map pieces the black cutoff eventually goes away. Even the way the roundtable hold scales up and down on the map and moves closer to Limgrave when thats the only piece you have is again to trick you into thinking that it is not a very big world.

Rewards are far rarer in this game than many other open world games, and this makes explorations more important. Every single equipment you obtain was through hard work and tenacity, and that feeling of accomplishing something really pays off after finding a weapon you always wanted after clearing a dungeon.

The joy i felt when i found out the map is so much bigger than i ever thought it to be was unmatched.

The best part of Dark Souls 1 was the exploration. The game was a bit linear, but you had different paths you could go down, and early on you didn't have teleporting so going somewhere was a journey. If you could see a place in the distance, you most likely could go there. When i started playing Elden ring i got that same feeling, and knew that those distant castles and towers weren't just for looks but entire areas onto themselves.

Although I'm almost 40 hours I'm still mostly in the beginner areas and still finding new stuff and optional bosses. The day/night system actually makes a difference here in what you encounter.

I love how Vaati has become an essential part of the Souls community at this point, kinda like "this looks interesting, I don't understand it though, let's wait for Vaati to clear it up".

HUD vanishing when no enemy Aggro and such going on to let you chew all on that scenery was brilliant. Elden ring is on my my favorite games now, with Gravity rush and childhood nostalgia games. Made me feel 10 again

You said something very clever at the end of the video "Exploration is your story" .. that's what makes FromSoft recent games unique, each and everyone who play these games had their own unique experience with the game, even tho it's the same game. and that is truly amazing

I think so far my favorite moment of playing ER is when I made it to the Hallowhorn Grounds and slowly pieced together how this ancient tribe was wiped out and buried underground I didn't even go there on purpose I was just farming runes so I could level up and fight Margit and I was tired of fighting those weird crystal spear guys Fucking incredible game

Almost have 80 hours in the game already. I’ve never had this much dedication and fun with a video games since breath of the wild and I absolutely love it. (This was also my first souls game and it’s great!!)

I loved the freeform of Elden Ring. I didn't even find Weeping Pensula at first; I avoided the castle and ended up into Caelid. Caelid seriously worked me into shape, and imagine my surprise finding Pensula later.

The thing I love the most of fromsoftware games is the way the game tells you nothing regarding sidequests and item locations which gives me a feeling of nostalgia. Back in the early 2000s when the internet didn't have enough game info so most games you played you went blind into it and you had to solve everything by yourself and I just love that freedom the games gives you to explore and be rewarded not just to unlock the map or fill a progression bar, it is just amazing.

Okay, I surrender. You've convinced me yet again to play another video game for 70 bazillion hours. Farewell sunlight. PerpetuallyMaidenless/10

I have a hard time playing open world games primarily because there is so much being shoved down my throat. I see how much there is to do immediately, and then trying to do all of this content burns me out before I even get into the main story content. On the other hand, Elden Ring still has these mountains of content to do, but the game just letting me find the content on my own feels so much better than the traditional Ubisoft open world design template. If there were more open world games like Elden Ring, I feel like I would love them more than I currently do. I'll just have to stick with my dungeon crawlers and mostly linear rpgs until then.

this game has the "surprise" element of gaming like the 90s. beautifully executed

I had extremely high expectations going into Elden Ring. I was still blown away

I agree 100% with 16:33 , i played horizon zero dawn and finding myself in the urgency of the world that's about to be destroyed but i am doing chores collecting stones for some random NPC... very counterintuitive

Actually none of Limgrave's bosses are mandatory. You can ignore the region entirely and just go do bosses in other regions.

The map has always reminded me of one of those maps they give you in an epic fantasy book...but you can actually explore it. That's part of the magic 🪄 that the rest are missing.

For reusing weapon animations, I actually feel like it gives me a feeling of nostalgia. It's heartwarming to connect those feelings from other games. Even having the moonlight great sword in every souls game is so special.

First horizon is blown out the water by Zelda in 2017 and now the same thing happened with Elden Ring. They can’t catch a break.

The spoilerless analysis and the work you put into doing exactly that is much appreciated! I can imagine it was really annoying

while other AAA games looks beatiful and designed well, I often cannot play too long before get bored. Elden Ring made me want to keep on playing, fighting and exploring the world, needless to say the level of art in terms of architecture, sculpture, paitings around the lands between.

This game is amazing and I absolutely love it but I'm not shortchanging myself by not playing Skyrim, Witcher 3, Assassin's Creed: Origins, Odyssey, Valhalla, Red Dead Redemption 1 & 2, Fallout 3 through 4, etc. I still enjoyed them all. I just love open world games in general.

In my opinion. The lack of waypoint everywhere makes it more accessible to me because it makes the world feel bigger without numbered waypoints

I have over 100 hours in this game on one of my characters and i never realized the tiny obelisk ( 12:00 ) is a designated spirit summon spots.

I am absolutely in love with the way Elden Ring presents and uses it's map. I'll boot up the game to play for a few hours around 9pm, look at it to get my bearings, and go "huh, that looks like it might be some kind of landmark. Guess I'll ride over there and check it out." Then I find myself hacking at the floorboards of a house in the middle of nowhere, trying to find a beetle I could swear just disappeared out of the corner of my vision. I still haven't been to the place I intended on going to yet, but I've been through at least 4 other mini-dungeons and I'm lamenting that I didn't bring my crystal darts to the fanged imp party in the boss room of that last one. So I drop a marker down to come back to it, along with the 4 other markers for things I stumbled across in the overworld along the way-including what I think might be a secret tunnel to another continental mass, and a recurring giant tree boss that's being worshiped by beast person cultists this time-only to realize that it's 3am. Now, I could teleport back to a grace a little ways away. But, I ponder, then I'm going to have to deal with that respawning guy with the head gear and lightning that keeps hacking off my arms and...THERE'S THAT LITTLE BUGGER!! It'll still be another hour before I've tidied up enough that I'm sure I can quit out without losing track of anything. This is one of the best games of the last decade.

Didn't expect this video but i definitely appreciate it. The open-world really does just feel like it was designed as tightly as the areas in their other games, but just on a much more massive scale. The fact that FromSoft were still able to retain the same level of care and detail throughout the entire map, as well as the same spirit of just letting you explore, miss, and find things is really what I find most impressive.

I love the point about the recognizable mapart I literally can pinpoint a church location within seconds of looking at a map when I hadnt discovered a church in the area yet Its very clear where it is, it always has the same outline.

The game does something i like to call respecting your customers. No hand holding, no yellow brick road to follow. It trusts you to be smart enough to explore and discover without holding your hand. (Spoilers below) If you know where to go, you can technically get both halves of the Dectus Medallion and go to the Alteus plateau at starting level without leveling up once. You can straight up skip the areas that contain the first 1/3 of the story within your first hour of playing. That's one thing i noticed with Ubisoft's assassins creed games in particular. You can't go here yet. You can't go into this area until later. You need to progress the story. Ellen ring is just like "go ahead, i don't care as long as you can kill this guy first, go ahead and skip Stormveil completely, it's not even required."

The problem with most open world games, is that they are not 'open'. There is a usually a linear path you have to take, granted there are many detours, but always a finish line with various checkpoints in between. Elden Ring has only one checkpoint, and you can choose which one you want. Checkpoint - get two Great Runes Finish line - enter Erdtree Basically 99% of the game is optional and missable. Also, Margit is not mandatory.

Without giving names for spoilers Something that you didn't mention is why are you the player so important. We learn though an npc we are not the first wanting to become Elden Lord. In fact everyone in the room has the exact same story as you and later on you aren't even the first to achieve this goal. You are not important because the plot demands it, you are important because you are you and this is your story. There are many like it but this one is yours.

This game blew me away. Almost 100 hours in and I’m up to Crumbling Azula. I know I’m near the end so I’m thinking about either playing NG+ or restarting with a new build. The sense of mystery is gone since I know the whole map fairly well which sucks. Already looking forward to Elden Ring 2.

12:00 220 hours in this game just learned that obelisk’s mark summons.

Elden Ring is what all open world games should be. No hand holding. Allowing u to go wherever u want without any consequence and having an alive open world is perfect. I mean I can’t go one minute in Elden Ring without there being something whether it being an enemy or just being a random that needs help or helps us. I love how the game doesn’t tell u anything and allows u to discover things on ur own. I love how they don’t punish u for “missing” stuff. Plus, the world is massive.

something that I love about elden ring is that none of it is liminal. it doesnt feel like youre trying to get from point A to point B. you are entirely mindful of your surroundings at all times. it feels like a real sense of adventure

You can skip Stormveil castle entirely. To the right of the castle is a secret path that will take you past the castle and straight into Liurnia of the Lakes. There are no mandatory bosses in Limgrave.

One of the primary fun elements of game design CAN be discovery. Which can be about more than finding a cool item, monster, or view in a game. IT can also be about discovering the game mechanics. Such as the player realizing how the map system works and also discovering how the painted on features on the map mean something without having to drop objective markers for them. And how the map options the player have are akin to how a person in real life might mark up a paper map of an area they are visiting. Such as when in tv, someone realizes that "all these murders seem to take place within 2 blocks of this building, so lets circle it".

The thing that makes Elden Ring unique for me is, unlike any other game i've played, I haven't restarted several times. There would be no point in doing so, with my strength/faith build i have a dozen 'characters' I can swap between by changing equipment. If/When i get bored of that I can ask moon mommy for a changeup. I'm on my third playthrough at the moment, and still on the SAME character i made on day one. For someone who chronically restarts every game after a bad start this is cool AF. :3

Fun thing to note is that margit and godrick aren't technically required either, just have to explore a little bit more off the beaten path to go around the castle. I also love that compass markers and crafting are included and have good depth but that they are completely optional

Also, the tree sentinel you run into right away, my pride wouldn’t let me walk away. I ended up beating him after 50+ tries when I was like level 3

I love Elden RIng's map, its the best map design I've ever seen. First of all - you literally need an item called "map fragment" to see a map fragment and also you're free to go to places unvisible on your map. Then its a topography map - no markers etc, but you see some building structures or bridges, so you can navigate to some places by that.

I actually like the recurring boss fights. It makes you realize just how far you've come as a player. Demolishing Margit a second time in Leyndell feels amazing because you know how much trouble that boss gave you before.

I'm 150 hours in and just learned that obelisks are in fact not just a place for but holes

When i first fought margit, i didnt know any mechanics except dodging and attacking. So i spent hours trying to beat him while being level 8 with the basic weapon, and i almost managed to beat him! But after dying too many times i decided to level up and then fight him. And this my first souls game

My favorite part about the segment at 15:30 is that the item might not mean much to you right now. But a really cool aspect is that it becomes memorable in the way of, "oh if i ever make a mage character then i should grab this spell." Which is an incredibly cool aspect and gives you a reason to come back and play more than 1 time through.

Technically there is only one mandatory boss in Limgrave and none in the Peninsula. The game will strongly push you to do those two bosses, but with a couple of secret paths you can actually clear it, and only Margit is required. All mandatory bosses are in the latter half of the game, and you can just pick and choose 2 of the first half to kill and move on.

I love how little hands holding this game does. I've played every souls game and this felt like such a breath of fresh air while also feeling familiar.

I'm on my third playthrough and i'm still finding new stuff, even though I thought that I was thorough in my first. Elden Ring having easily-missible content is what makes it replayable imo, because there's so much different ways to play that you get a different experience each time

To put it simply, if anyplace looked interesting, if anything looked interesting or sucked going against the players, the players can usually go there and try all those things out themselves as themselves minus the catapults. You combine that with the more exciting and generally interesting looking world layout to checkout and badass boss designs and music, then you essentially got Elden Ring. It's also not just thrown together most of the time and will usually have cryptic clues to various places what's really going on and the people around there for those interested in secrets and stories. Even the catacomb dungeons get extra thought into them for quite a series of brain teasers as you try to go through them, find the lever and face the guarding entity at the end for a neat reward.

This sums it up so well. The reason why GTA San Andreas and Saints Row 2 have remained some of my favorites is because of how much they leave as surprises. I still find new stuff almost every time I play them and they don’t have bigass checklists

Hit the nail on the head about the world map and the benefits of having places of interest painted on. The level of immersion is unreal. Makes me feel like a kid again with a 'pirate treasure map'. Your also spot on about how much doing random side quests in other games can rip you right out of it when every other NPC is stressing the world ending ramifications of your current main questline fetch quest.

I love how you do your best to prevent any spoilers, that´s awesome!

Yakuza series: You have a limited time to save your bud in the main story line, hurry! (Kiryu/Ichiban: Ok, freeze time.. lemme find all the cats that the side quest wants...)

those who like elden ring should also check out dragon's dogma, it was easily the best open world game before elden ring came out, and shares many of the qualities listed here

Nobody addresses replayability as a feature. I think game companies think that you're just going to play the game once, maybe twice to get all the collectibles and then never think about it again. Elden Ring puts a lot of trust that you're going to come back to the game again and again and again. And you're going to look for all the details that you missed. So it doesn't mind if your first play through causes you to miss a thing or two, or a lot.

When this game came out. A pal of mine just youtubed op builds, easy top tier weapons, infinite mana, hidden bosses, weapon locations and finished the game in 3 days. Then proceeded to challenge our other friends (level 20s, beginners) to show off. He then said he was bored and nothing to do on the game. We told him "ofcourse theres nothing for you to do. You treated it like a pump and dump game. In this game, you are suppose to explore and walk blind." But in boss fights, he was complete trash so i guess he cheesed ALL the bosses. I enjoyed watching him play the game, die multiple times to a boss, like it was meant to be played.

my favorite part was finding the secret passage to liurnia and exploring the area just to go back and finally face margit and realize that you could just skip him and truly explore the world until you felt strong enough to challenge him.

It took me fighting Rennalla, Godfrey, Margit, and dying in Redann to realize that the stakes of Marika respawn you near the area that you died😭

i never encountered the glow-rats, i love fromsoft - they really do these things well. i personally went into Siofra River at like lvl 13 and was mind-blown by the entire travel, and the stark contrast to the entrance, as i went at night.

Lol the rats braught frenzied flame to limgrave i love it

Thanks for the video and the essay on open world games provided. Back in the days of 2013/2014, as I was working on the Lore of Canis, a mobile game, I was intrigued by the idea that if the player is more curious than the average, they will get rewards - no game breaking ones. The task in the mentioned game The Lore of Canis is to bring a medicine back to the family of the character. But the player is lured into a castle and might miss on that simple quest because there are others provided to him. In the end, you just need 10 minutes to fulfill the task, if you know what you are doing, and all the areas beyond that were purely optional, although they were "massive" and interwoven. I am very pleased that my strange vision of optional content behind several barriers beside the main quest, were used by From Software as well and the main idea of luring in the player into further areas was done so good in this game. I wished, I had a big team to help me on my ambitious games in the future. Stay curious!

This was my first Souls-like game, but not my first JRPG or even Bamco jrpg. Despite being very difficult and open world, it still feels like a classic jrpg: it’s all about the side/subquests. I couldn’t beat Margot initially so I wandered around Limgrave for days. There is so much to do and so many more characters and quests to do besides the main story stuff. It was really cool

Stormveil is not mandatory. Margit and Godrick are not mandatory bosses. You can skip them.

what's amazing in elden ring is the fact the important location are visible from distance.. you don't need markers on map to know important locations.. just look at the horizon for points of interest and go there..

Wow, that was really well thought out video. Delivered masterfully.

Idk about you but I don't really enjoy going through extremely vast areas going in circles from edge to edge just to make sure I didn't miss on anything, only to discover that there wasn't anything to find there to begin with. I get that having the map overloaded with markers can take away from the discovery element but if done correctly (with "?" marks untill you actually get there for example) it can really make the whole experience much more enjoyable. Alternatively, I truly believe the semi-open world design of the previous FromSoft games is the best formula for souls games, you rarely go anywhere where nothing happens.

You make some great points and I mostly agree. I love Elden Ring. Although I'm a 1st time Souls player I've logged over 150 hours in my first playthrough. But on the topic of handholding I would say maybe there's a happy medium to be had. Ubisoft and From Soft are polar opposite in this way. A quest log or some coherent dialog about lore, quests and the world would make it a lot more fun for me. The meme of all the map markers "if Ubisoft made the game" is funny. But to be perfectly fair, you can almost always turn all that stuff off in the settings. Yet many do not. In elden ring, with a lack of guidance many players resort to RU-vid walk throughs which kind of spoils it. I just think a little more guidance would be nice. I'm sure many long term Souls players disagree, and I can understand why. But this idea that the From Soft recipe will change open world rpgs as we know them? maybe to a slight degree. But I think there will continue to be a broad range of popular games just like before Elden Ring.

This is the first time in a VERY long time that I've ever actually felt "lost" when exploring, and I love it. I've played a variety of open world titles in the past, with Darksiders 3 probably being the last one I've played before Elden Ring (though, that one is more of a mini-open-world/Metroidvania game, lol), and very few ever scratched the exploration itch I've had. And I'm not just talking about a sense of discovery here. I'm talking a proper sense of scale (the sheer verticality of this game is absolutely nuts), a sense of wonder (I've had many moments of going "what's that over there"), a sense of DREAD (a surprising number of moments where I've found myself saying "Oh nooooo, I don't wanna go theeeeere."), and a proper sense of being lost, getting so sucked into just GOING somewhere or doing something has me absolutely baffled on where I am. Somtimes, the map doesn't help because I've horrifically went off map. And what's funny about that? I can easily just warp back to a prior grace, but the little voice in me says "hey, keep going. You might find something neat", and I normally do. It's one of the best feelings I get in this game.

Great essay!! Thank you!

Solid Essay bud. My biggest takeaway from this is that fromsoftware actually respects us as gamers.

Honestly I think the biggest thing this open world game has over literally any other that I've played is that every dungeon you do, every boss you kill, every area you complete, every place you visit, pretty much every activity you do gives you a reward unique to that activity. If you do a dungeon and get the Dagger Talisman, that is the only time over the course of your entire playthrough that you will ever get a Dagger Talisman. If you get a set of armor from a chest in a house in a village in the middle of seemingly nowhere, that is the only time you will ever get that set of armor. Every relevant activity that the game has lined up for you to do has been given a reward that, on your first playthrough, is literally guaranteed to be something that you do not have, and that fact alone makes this game infinitely better than most, if not all, open world games that are out there.

I totally love this kind of content and gaming discussions! Thank you for the video!

I just had to say I love the use of Spyro music in the middle of a video about Elden Ring, my two game loves combined

This game has been out for months now and I'm only now discovering the little obelisks mean you can summon🤣 truly beautiful work!

I’ve found that if you want the best experience story wise don’t immediately kill godrick and just focus exploring around. You’d be surprised at how many people you’ll find and how far you can progress their story. It makes you feel like you actually hadn’t missed something for once.

Good video! Also, loving the spyro music!

I recently watched a video about Skyrim where it has this ability for people to have that sense of wonder as well. The reason people enjoy it and it feels like there is something to discover, because Skyrim doesn’t make it feel like everything is a task, but more of a journey. Granted Skyrim and Elden Ring are pretty different. Where they have it right is in the open world. Where Skyrim doesn’t hide the map from you, but it doesn’t reveal everything to you until you actually reach that point. It becomes a discovery rather than something to complete from a checklist. Maybe what Elden Ring has done isn’t completely new, but perhaps a forgotten element in these games. At least in the case of open world games. Kind of crazy to think, but interesting to think how such a small detail makes massive difference throughout the entire game.

The Souls games just have good gameplay. Each weapon has its own unique feeling, they typically do enough damage where any of them is viable so the player can experiment, the focus on heavy damage to the enemy and player forces you to evade attacks and play smart since you and your foe are always just a few hits away from dying. From there, the game blossoms. Think about other video games where every weapon is more or less the same but with higher numbers. Each enemy is the same, but higher numbers. Enemies take dozens of hits to kill, whacking them with a big sword seems to barely scrape away their health and hard bosses are only difficult because of the numbers. Dark Souls might still bullshit us on enemy health and damage at times, but I know if I stab an human enemy they’re almost dead but if they stab me I’m almost dead. To me, that just seems realistic and simple. It means i can run into an area and easily clear the enemy but it means if I fail to consider my surroundings they can kill me just as easily. But the reward is finding a new weapon with a different moveset that opens up different playstyles. It’s fun.

I could be projecting, but it sounds like you had a lot of fun making this video.

One thing I don't think you really touched on is how Elden Ring uses its landscape to influence and control the procession through game. Even though it's a fully open world, the exotic landscape encourages or even forces players to take certain paths to get to their destination, allowing the devs to place content so that it is extremely likely to be found. They use subtle visual designs instead of icon spam to indicate choices to the player, similar to what good architects do with building designs. This, combined with leaving the destination a complete mystery, is what encourages exploration as opposed to mindlessly following a computer optimized path to an already known destination. This is what I hope other developers understand about Elden Ring's success, but unfortunately I have a feeling they'll make the exact same games they did in the past but with higher difficulty and neither icons nor subtle visual cues to keep players from simply getting lost.

That Spyro music makes this well done video fantastic.

The maiden thing is incorrect, you get her through going to the big castle gate. I found 6 graces before I was told to go to the gate.

And see this is the crazy thing about Elden Ring, I skipped the tutorial on my first playthrough but I came back to do it and the 2 "Mandatory" Bosses that you need to beat in Limgrave? Really are entirely skippable and you can just head up to Liurnia. I literally found this out after finishing the game today and I was just blown away😂😂 I've always been big on exploring Open World games but a lot of them have shitty rewards. In Elden Ring, the rewards for exploration are almost always big

I missed the Smouldering Lake and Archdragon Peak areas on my first playthrough of DS3. They set it up to where if you don't pay attention, you can miss it. Ballsy

when i heard the spyro music i was losing my shit. good stuff man. The videos good too by the way haha. Really puts into words what makes this game so great.

When I had a better weapon than my current BloodHound Fang, I had a serious thought debate about if I should betray my friend that helped me through the beggining of the game just because of stats.

One thing that is missing in elden ring is ramdom encounters. It was nice seeing a huge map with vast areas but they were lacking randomness. Soon it becomes linear like Souls that you go there to farm this, you go there to farm those and so on. The dungeons are one-time visit places.

I was in absolute awe when I first encountered the underground rivers and started exploring it. I somehow managed to do Ranni's questline on my firstplaytrough and I'm still in disbelief on the balls FS had in putting so much content as optional and also pretty easy to miss if you're not curious. Beeing a curious person, Elden Ring was one of the most satisfying experiences I ever hand in gaming.

late, but i appreciate you emphasizing effective asset reuse in games in this video, as I feel its something that often goes ignored in discussions about open worlds. Usually if its brought up its to say "copy pasted content is bad and boring" which is true, but it ignores the reality of how much work needs to go into making unique content for a game. Asset reuse is necessary if a game wants to ever actually release, but it can't be done haphazardly or the player will notice that're just running into the same Unity3D prefabs over and over, its a fine line to walk for such large games

They pulled a GTA5. There's still new discoveries to this day and it's such an old game. That IS what makes it good. Absolutely. So much missable stuff in ER. A couple years from now and people will still be discovering things. Honestly, I think people will still be talking about ER 10 years from now. It's FROM's new watermark.