How Fable Was Made and Why the Creators Hate it 

Brilliant! totally loved this, well done! subbed, and I'll be watching more! Good stuff!

Same same I picked it up randomly.... Then I heard of Peter and his bs

Same here. I picked it up and it straight up blew my mind. Never heard about it or saw it anywhere before that. Magic Carpet too! And Black and White! If I never knew, I'd think these games were made by the best devs on Earth. Fable 3 was my fav and until I looked it up, I have no idea anyone hated it.

@@BrandanLee loved black and white but he definitely dropped the ball on them too sadly

Same here, a friend loaded it up one day near the end of middle school for me. I was instantly hooked, the transforming good/evil character, the (at the time) gorgeous world and funny characters and cool stories. I would love to see Fable be made the way it was intended in some form some day but what we ended up with was iconic in its own right.

I heard the BS but I had been listening to the same over ambitious BS for every game that came out in the mid to late 90s so I discarded the BS and tried out the game with clear eyes. Fable is still one of my favorite game of all time.

Its crazy how fast it happens. Thanks for sharing! And watching!

crazy story

Video game programming seems kind of like a very cutthroat industry where you are now held to specific standards by rich people instead of figuring out new concepts and putting them into code. Video game programming has changed over time I imagine.

​​@@raiden72 it is also a consumerist industry, where the end users define how soon they want things, leading to investors pushing deadlines up, unfinished content, and day 0/1 patches to fix the issues that they did not have the time to send to QA. Furthermore, QA and alpha/beta testing were important sides of the development process. Less and less alpha/beta builds are created and most devs playtest things themselves. The thing is, QA and alpha/beta testing give unknown parameters that the devs most likely omit in their playtesting rounds, which in turn help them correct oversights. Tbh, the entirety of the videogame industry is screwed, now that AI is there. People think it is the future, but it only toss "finished, but flawed" works that still need to be fixed. What was good about concept art was that midway through that phase, they went through multiple changes and versions. Now, to even generate the same type of artwork requires hours, when before, you only hired the artist whose artstyle meshed the best with your vision of the work, and they could make changes on the fly during a meeting. It sucks.

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yup. shady dude

he always does this he make big "promises" and the devs need to crunch to make those "promises" to be feasible thing and then Peter just throw then down the bus

Sounds like Elon

To be fair, it makes a certain kind of sense - making random crazy promises about a game he wasn't even working on or all that involved with was pretty scummy, but the game probably did sell much better with the narrative that it was being developed by a proven studio. Like, for all he knew, the game might've been a massive flop, so he was putting his reputation on the line as well.

​@Pixie1001. That is fair. But he could have easily said "Well, we have a satellite studio that is the lead, but my team at Lionhead are working on the game as well." Or something like that. That way the Carters get some credit, but there is still the legitimacy of Lionhead's backing and support.

magic shield go crazy

Lolol yeah I dont have the info on that dev. The atmosphere for me was potentially the best part, Im a sucker for great immersion and overall tone in games and at the time Fable stood out so much. Thanks for watching!

To this day I firmly believe Fable to have one of the best "realized" atmospheres of any game, period. The music is masterful and the graphics hold up to this day, not because the graphics are _good,_ but because they fit the story book fairytale aesthetic so perfectly. Kinda like how Runescape's graphics are simultaniously terrible and yet genre defining.

@@jacobesterson Agreed, everything blended extremely well together to make a compact but MEATY experience. The story, the chocies(WHICH ACTUALLY INFLUENCED THE GAME) the way your morality affected your looks, the different personalities of the towns folk based on the region. That much attention to detail and game systems really is hard to come by in modern games.

@@jacobesterson 100% agree, fable 1's atmopshere cannot be topped, the menus the art the voice acting the music. Its all just so good. Fable 2 honestly hit it almost dead center as well.

Appreciate it! Yes Fable and Halo made that console. I'll never forget the bootup into those crazy green aesthetics it had

So true. I got the original Xbox for 2 games. FABLE and Star Wars KOTOR

I really hope the new fable releases so it and halo infanity can redefined that Xbox legacy.

Halo, Project Gotham Racing, Modern Warfare, Knights of the Old Republic & 2. Jade Empire. San Andreas. Rainbow Six. We shall not see their like again.

​@@jack25956Didn't Republic Commando also come out on og Xbox?

Same here! It was fantastic.

"You chase chickens!"

Classic Fable line. Better be in the new game!

CHAYSERRRR

That name followed me throughout my entire play through 😂

Same, haha! It wasn't until anniversary edition I learned you could change it.

I just looked it up on youtube to check and their logo does appear right after the Lionhead guy lolol. I thought it wasnt there as well

​@@GameStudioLoreMandela effect.

@@reffa2858bad memory?

That lionhead intro hit hard AF tho 😂

@@itchin4scratches Too much weed

He did. I believed it as well. That dude stabbing the earth and their logo coming up is all I remember. I recently went on youtube to rewatch the intro and sure enough, a quick little blue box animation comes up right after that

But the logo is in the opening credits and the developer names and faces are in the end credits. Since you have watch the entirety of the credits to get to the post-game (at least in the base game), you should be familiar with Big Blue Box and the Carters.

​@@MyUsualCommentdont tell me you actually think a normal person is going to sit through like 20 minutes of credits beginning to end and actually pay attention to the mountain of names and logos

@@justanotherwitposter1875 I do. Especially when I really appreciate the game. People worked hard on something I enjoyed; the least I can do sit through the credits. Does that make me abnormal? Maybe. I honestly don't care.

@@MyUsualCommentabnormal and I don’t got the patience but based

Exactly that. I didn't even know the full story until I started digging into the development of the game. It's pretty sad.

Yea it’s really quite a good game. Considering the difficulties they had during development with too much feature creep they really pulled it out the box (forgive the pun)

I always thought they were running support for Lionhead, not the other way around.

Thats awesome! I need to do the same. I don't think I've played it since it launched >

I first read this comment thinking you were talking about Stefan Molyneux lmao

​@@TorgomastaLol I did the same when typing it out. I had to double check I had the right Molyneux.

Yeah, they were definitely over ambitious. But from what I gathered, they weren't expecting the microsoft deadline at all, which ultimately I think is the reason they couldn't polish it or get it really to where they wanted. One of the quotes at the end of the vid, was one of the brothers saying that basically wasted years trying to implement things that were ultimately not needed or couldn't even get to work as well, so they knew.

I wish Fable launched with everything in the lost chapters, definitely would have helped it

my only issue with it on the PC is that there isn't controller support and you can't slow walk for rp purposes.. There is a mod that replaces the sneak animation with walking, but that's the closest you can get without playing fable anniversary. I hate anniversary though as it makes many characters more ugly, has sound glitches or changes that I don't like, and loses the overall charm TLC has imo.

@@EnoYaka If it helps, you can use steam input to map keys to gamepad buttons and play that way! It's how I played it on the steam deck!

Executive meddling is the best huh? Thanks for watching!

Yeah gosh, how awful, "getting the game out."

@@mercster Rushing development because marketing wanted it out a year earlier than it would have released otherwise.

appreciate it!

I haven't done my research yet into the sequels, but I know dene did stay and work fully on Fable 2, but not 3. I will eventually do those videos as well to finish out the franchise. Thanks for watching!

@@GameStudioLore ah thank you for the clarification! i'm curious what percentage of Big Blue worked on each game and how that lines up with the heavy shifts in design as the games went on.

@@VencentCross well if you don't mind waiting a bit I will probably do Fable 2 after this next video 🫡

@@GameStudioLore yea sure, i'll subscribe and catch it when that vid comes out

​@@GameStudioLore but lion head created part 3, Peter even dont care about game.

yup. It has a really great feel to it. they did a great job

Absolutely.

It was great! Decent combat and funny!

I did too. But as I did the research I was like, I gotta tell this story. Thanks for watching!

It really is. The ambiance is what I remember most

Fables aren’t fairy tales and this game is not a fable

First OST I ever downloaded, I spent countless hours drawing while listening to it, completely immersed

Thanks for watching! I mean he kinda helped, like 1% of ideas tho lolol

Yeah fable is a core memory for me lol. And yeah Dene had wild hair, lol

Haha yeah it declined as it went on. Im doing Fable 2 next so I'll hopefully I find everything that went down

I know dene still helped with the second one, but he did not on the third. I will cover Fable 2 after my next vid then do 3 soon after

Very different environment. I was an employee at BBB and then Lionhead from around 2001 to 2012ish. My... vague... memories were a bunch of things happening that moved the franchise in a different direction. Lionhead was kind of screwed after Fable came out. The other projects, Movies and Black and White 2, failed to sell well leaving the company in real trouble. Lionhead was burning cash and (from what I heard) was a month or two away from going bankrupt. The company was sold to MS (fairly cheaply but with all our debts being paid off). Once MS owned Lionhead things changed pretty quickly. MS wanted more Fable and pushed for everyone to focus on it. Lots more people got involved, lots more corporate speak, etc. The more steampunk tone was internal (I know John McCormack was instrumental in that and possibly Dene - I'm sure others but I forget who) and there was more a focus on named actors and so on. Peter seemed to want it to be more of a God game and REALLY wanted a dog (mutter) - because he likes pets and AI in games, believing players maintain an attachment to them. The setting changed to be more industrial but in an odd way. If the first game was a bunch of disparate people coming together and sort of jamming? And somehow creating a great sound? The sequels felt more like people fighting to get their own ideas in. Some fantastic stuff happened, but also a lot of frustration and people pulling and pushing against each other. Weird times (and great vid btw!)

​@@asyme9717Thank you for your contribution to the game that shaped my childhood and inspired me so much. I'm playing Fable 2 on PC through Xenia emulator, only had PC as a kid and getting a modern console in my country at the time was practically impossible, especially with our income. It still retains the wonderful atmosphere I fell in love with. The dog I found to be an odd addition, ever since I played Fable 3 when it came out. Exploring magical world all by yourself gave the experience this wonderful feeling of cozy solitude. I'm getting used to the dog gradually, but it's different experience.

@@asyme9717 I still find it hard to believe that Movies didn't sell well. That could've been the next Sims

I haven't played it in so long. I really need to grab it and replay the game. Thanks for watching

Fable just had that..I dont even know the word. It somehow captured an emotion and memory ill never forget. It was literally magic

Fable is great! i miss the era of fun and great games

Maybe one day!

i still have it on my 360. preserve your copies man its just a matter of time before that game costs 300 dollars. old game prices are out of control and im taking about your mom and pop shops not gamestop 0.0

@@Miasma707you can dl on xbox series noob

​@@Miasma707retail stores are less and less likely to have such games. See if you can still get psychonauts, only 50k were ever made across all consoles(barring PS4) i think.

Look up Fable 2 on Xenia emulator. I'm playing through it on PC currently (which is wild) Make sure you patch it to 2x resolution or it will look like £ss There's a video on RU-vid to set it up, you'll need to torrent game's ISO

I appreciate that! Thank you for watching! Was stressed making this one lol. I love Fable

agreed

I appreciate that! I tried to make the story as engaging as possible without it just been info after info. Thanks for watching!

1000% It something I dont get from a lot of games now sadly. 90% of the reason I play games personally is for the world and. the ambiance. I just like chillin in a world that isn't RL lolol.

He talent, but lying to much...

Yes, Wishworld sounded amazing. I wonder if it's something they could pull off today? If Microsoft gave them an extra year, Fable would've been 10x better =( Also nobody forgets about the acorn lololol Thanks for watching!

Indeed! For the time, the game really stood out. The atmosphere and the general feel of the game was very nice. Thanks for watching!

Love it! Ill never forget Fable 1. I hope the new game coming out can caption even half that feeling of the OG

You're right about the quotes. I didn't want to repeatedly keep saying, "Dene said to IGN" or something every single time lol. So I experimented, and I don't think it worked super well lol. I appreciate the feedback! I might try adding the quote as an image while reading it in the future for clarity. I'm glad you liked the music! It took me about 5 hours, finding the perfect sound I wanted and adding all of it for this video lol. Thanks for watching!

I appreciate that very much! Also I still had the list I used, so I added them in the description. Thank you!

Yeahhhh. The microsoft deadline really screwed them over

Yesss, it was a dope concept that I wish more games would use

You're absolutely right and it is something I will add to future videos. Thank you for watching

this is a smart idea @@GameStudioLore

Appreciate it! Have fun playing Fable!

@@GameStudioLore It was a mixed bag but always cool to explore childhood games.

Thank you so much! The subs will eventually come =)

I appreciate that! Fable is one of those games that always be remembered! Thanks for watching!

yeah! the game industry suckksssss in that regard, I dont think its any better tho lolol

me too! I am also afraid they are gonna modernize it with microtransactions and an unfinished game

I have no hope for Playground's Fable. It's going to be modernized in all the ways you don't want, if what you're seeking is escaping into a fantasy world from daily matters.

@@Psycorde well Fable 2 already had, female and male characters, gay marriages, cross dressing, and sex with multiple partners, so which modernize ways are you suggesting will be bad? Skin color?

@@GameStudioLore ffs, maybe that's how YOU played it buddy. Not us.

@@EQOAnostalgia clearly was just mentioning what was already in the game. Dunno why you need to make it an us vs you issue. Don't like it, don't use them.

dang thats wild! great determination! thanks for sharing!

I appreciate that! Im glad you enjoyed it!

Yeah the franchise could have been so much more. As for the reboot, It might not be terrible, not much to go on right now except for the....interesting announcement trailer

@@GameStudioLorefrom what i can tell the creators really don't understand the game the announcement trailer alone didn't gibe me a single vibe of the old fable Like yes fable had some britsh humor, but that was for a very small part of the side quest The main story was a tragic hero like storyline for all three. So to kinda go this the hero is a dude bro type of storyline is just agh Granted it could change for a story trailer, but if their story trailer is the same, as their announcement one then i got zero hopes for it

We don't know anything about the new one except a 2 minute trailer. You can't really gather anything from that.

​@@puffnisseWOW TAKE MY MONEY

Peter is like Todd Howard unfortunately. Peter always want make new and new... and this causes to closing a studio.

haha I laughed when I read that as well.

indeed. The music is sooo good. COmbat was effective, not the most difficult but it was implanted very well

I appreciate that Avarice! It was a lot yeah, a ton of info to sift through. Honestly, ive been taken back by the reception. Also, I cant believe how much Fable stuff is on your channel, I dunno how or where you even get half of that lolol It's a really good vault of info and fun!

@@GameStudioLore Honestly dude, I would hate to think the effort you put into this. If you aren't proud of it, then you really should be!

Same! Def would've been amazing to see

aye thankkkss

Same! im still searching for that same feeling from playing it the first time

I had no idea about him, and i was 15 lolol.

Dinosaurs? I worked on the game & have no memory of this.

​@@thebag1981ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-v0OaBsWtwFc.htmlsi=Ql1nFCFt8qTZgzGg At around the 1 minute mark. I always thought it was a dinosaur. But some people are saying its a Balverine. It doesnt look like a balverine to me.

@@reffa2858 oh I see what you mean. The body is very much a balverine but the head/jaws definitely aren’t. They look more like an alligator to me, but I can definitely see where you get dinosaur from. I don’t know who made that trailer, the later ones were made by Blur.

Yeah Fable was documented pretty well. Some games arent, so its really hit and miss. Luckily Fables does, so molyneux can't be a thief :P

Thank you so much!

Yup! Good AI out there

yeah i actually freaked out cuz i love Danny Elfman. Its crazy where people pop up sometimes. Thanks for watching!

Glad you enjoyed it!

Thank you! youre welcome!

Really is. I miss it

Also missing it very much, but for me because of ... something ... the Steam version of Fable Anniversary has been unplayable for YEARS. I've tried on three PC:s, crashes before I see the start menu. Every time. No mods. Tried everything. Last thing I remember playing was the bandit camp hassle.

I might do a few Black and White vids in the future! I never played them myself, but would love to learn about them

@@GameStudioLore it was a really cool attempt at a grandiose idea that in today's age could be done times 100. Like an Rts/civ/god sim where you have a pet that's almost as strong as you as you. It did nothing except the god stuff exceptionally well but made enough of an effort that it was really fun especially back when those limitations were in place and it was a completely unique original idea for a game I haven't seen before

Dang. The cover is really cool tho lol. It just had a pull to it for some reason, try playing it again

I mean we're getting the new Fable? Lolol but in all seriousness I hope that game doesn't suck. Might be the last chance for Fable in this era

@@GameStudioLore sadly, I'm don't have high hopes for the new fable...

@@RaewCZ yeah. It's iffy. I try to stay optimistic lol

Dragon's Dogma 2 will probably be the closest tbh 😅

Almost like it still exist today =(

It was worse back then because alot of the publishers were still in the 1980s mindset where they would expect developers to crank out a game in less than 12 months.

Its coming! and thank you

Yeah homie dene is wild lol

Exactly this. I commented saying something similar, but you articulated it perfectly

The worst part is that all of these promises were made by the guy who didn't even see the thing.

Yeah Morrowind was a different level. If microsoft gave the team another year or 2 I think it would have realized more of its potential

I appreciate that! New vid dropping tomorrow and then the next one will be on fable 2 🙃

Yeah, I"ve gotten a few comments on this lol. I will have it on screen in the future. Thanks for watching. I did laugh from end of your comment lolol

@@GameStudioLore I'm glad you laughed instead of being mad, it was all in good fun and genuinely me trying to help. Good luck bro, subbed

@@Yixdy haha nah I have a pretty good sarcasm radar. I appreciate it!

I personally find the title fine. In the intro I explained that the brothers asked molyneux for help which led to them losing their sanity and recognition and I state its a story of ambition, teamwork and crunch, which laid the entire foundation of the video. A title on YT is supposed to garner curiosity, and get a click (just the game) which i believe mine did and it was not clickbait. They did hate it, and although I never explicitly say it was the game, the intro and everything backs up the real story, If you indeed watched the entire video, then it was a good video and i appreciate you watching it all the way through. But I believe my title is accurate. cheers!

Yeahhhh. This has been said a few times. I appreciate the feedback! I'm still fairly new to long scriptwriting and story telling so I will def fix it for future vids. Thank you

@@GameStudioLore One of the most common and effective ways to circumnavigate this issue is to just have a screenshot of the quote with the part you're reading being highlighted. Be sure to include the source and person quoted in smaller text underneath. That way, you can keep your vocal cadence, and you're allowed more freedom to transition one idea into another, even if it's a secondary or tertiary quote from another source you have. I will come back to this video tomorrow or the day after, because I see you are interested in growing and taking helpful criticism with a grain of salt. Stay awesome and humble, my man!

But he have talent. You never see game experiments like black and white, populys. No one can achieve same experiments in games..

@@VITAS874 The idea of the "lone genius" is largely a myth. Even for Black and White, Molyneux had people working for him who made the magic happen.

I mean he did have good ideas but like weasel said, he had a team helping him and contributing

Yup this!

Yeah, I'm sure hes a good dude. I just don't think he can help himself when all the lights are on him

Its a pretty interesting story really. They still pulled it off, for the most part.

aye i appreciate that! If you get a chance, should check it out on pc

I appreciate that! Thank you

I agree

I appreciate that a ton! Thank you! Its rough yeah, but every video I make a tiny bit better! Slowly but surely

Modern games only know to steal your money.

I feel the same. Fable was so good, although not as good as it were supposed to be, but that's ok. It still did a lot of cool things. For the new one, It's either gonna be really good or really bad

Not good to delete comment...

@@VITAS874 who deleted a comment?

Yeah if you look at the promises at what Molyneux was making, Fable was a horrible game. But if you take the original idea of what Fable intended to be, I dont think it was terrible. It still should've been much better, but I chalk it up to Microsofts hard deadline.