How Far Should the Average Golfer Hit a Driver? (By Age, Gender, Handicap + Swingspeed!)

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When you watch golf there’s nothing quite like watching the pros smash their drives 300 plus yards far into the distance.
But how far does the average golfer hit the ball?
Thanks to great advances in golf tracking technology from the folks at Arccos, top analysis by GolfWRX and the latest Golf Distance Insights Report produced by the USGA and R&A we now have great data available to answer this question.
So in this video present the latest information broken down by age, gender, handicap and swingspeed!
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@R1GGLER 3 года назад

It's comforting to know that the only problems I have in my golf game is direction, ball striking, attitude and excessive drinking.

@golfhound 3 года назад

your excessive drinking keeps the game fun and relaxed. I take it you're not playing for money. lol

@mzyx3z 3 года назад

I will drink to that, mate...

@nobodyismyname663 3 года назад

Direction, distance, and ball striking inconsistencies...Add Drinking, smoking, cussing, and gambling for me as well.

@davidsignor7931 3 года назад

I definitely like some cold ones while golfing and no I don't play for money just to relax

@drewfilson6795 3 года назад

I hit a confirmed 271 yard drive today, which wouldn't have been possible if I wasn't smoking my regular half pack per round.

@rickmcgill722 3 года назад

I’m 75. Handicap is 16. Drives are 200 yards, 3 wood is around 185 yards, 5 iron is 155-160, 7 iron is 135, pitching wedge is 110.

@charliepastrami2813 3 года назад

That's great, I'm 53 and I'm right at those distances myself

@golfhound 3 года назад

Most impressive for 75. I'd love to have you on my team in four man scramble events since you would be playing from the senior tees.

@rickmcgill722 3 года назад

@@golfhound where do you live? I’m available at a reasonable rate!

@sadoldgit313 3 года назад

At 71 my ranges are almost the same! Hope I can still do it in 4 yrs!

@ryze9153 2 года назад

I'm 23 and my drives are no longer.

@markbattle4918 5 месяцев назад

Just turned 70, carry a 3 handicap, play course at 6600 yards - Drives average 260, 4 wood 235, 4 iron - 200, 8 iron 150, PW - 130. I might be an anomaly but I play 4 times per week up in Northeast. Still pretty flexible and active. Feel blessed that I can still play relatively well and remain competitive with far younger players.

@GolfingFocus 5 месяцев назад

Those are great yardages Mark and definitely put you well well ahead of the pack 👍 Average 4-iron carry distance on the PGA tour is 208 yards so you’re still up there with the best pros almost!!

@40packard1 3 года назад

I recommend moving to higher altitudes as you age. I need t tee off somewhere half way up Everest.

@kevinpohlner2840 2 года назад

The only thing consistent about golfers is their inconsistencies. You can play with someone who hits a straight nearly 300yd drive and on the very next hole loses his ball deep into the woods to the right. I will steal a quote and alter it a bit "golf is a game that consists of using a club that has a ball at one end and a fool on the other."

@isambardk4390 3 года назад

A couple of observations. I took up golf in my mid 50s after many years of competitive racquet sports. Was taught the classic PGA method...use the big muscles, coil from the ground up etc. For many years hit my 7 iron 155 yards, driver 230-240 (sea level) and short game rather than distance was the issue. I work out diligently and was well into my 70s before distance dropped off, in part because various parts of my body objected to the stresses of the modern swing. During the past year devoted much time to researching the golf swing and was struck by Padraig Harrington's comment in his excellent series of tuition videos. He said that for most players the swing should be all about the arms and hands. For elite golfers..maybe..it was about the body. I also became increasingly convinced by the (few) teachers who argued the classic teaching of "pulling with the lead arm" makes no sense because the golf swing is fundamentally a throwing motion. So now my "new" swing is virtually all arms/wrists/hands with body reacting to the swinging of the club, and I'm consciously hitting the ball with my right (trail) hand. Swing speed is back up and at age 79 I am consistently driving the ball 220 yards at sea level on well watered ie., soft, fairways. Second observation. It's not just about swing speed. Smash factor is also critical. Male pros make much better contact with the ball than amateurs and gain significant distance as a result. Women pros have an even better smash factor than the men. So as we age putting more focus on how well we hit the ball rather than how fast we swing the club, can recoup some of the distance we would otherwise lose.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

That's great insight IsambardK and huge thanks for sharing. I really like Padraig Harrington's stuff too and think his focus on the average golfer compared to better players makes so much of his advice so much more valuable. He was one of the first ones for example over a decade ago recommending all normal golfers should be playing hybrids and ditching the long irons. Think your point about different swings is also a great one. So many coaches these days, in all sports and not just golf, are teaching 'one way' and not taking into account different approaches and swings. Think if a lot of teaching pros had a Jim Furyk type swing for example coming to them for help they would be telling him how much he's doing wrong and needs to change when that's a swing that's played on multiple Ryder Cups and won the US Open! Totally agree with your thinking on the women pros too. Think there are loads of things the average golfer can learn from them also which currently we miss by focusing too much on the PGA Tour.

@pete3953 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus Most mid and high handicappers would be better served by improving how we hit the ball rather than how fast. So, choose correct compression ball for our club head speed, get the correct tee height and driver loft for optimum trajectory and spin, improve smash factor, cultivate a draw. All stuff we can do to gain significant distance without swinging harder which risks both damage to our bodies and damage to our swing consistency. The other advantage is that with somewhat slower speed but better striking of the ball our accuracy improves. 220 down the middle will usually beat 280 into the trees, rough, water or out of bounds and you'll save money on golf balls.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Don't think there's any doubt@@pete3953 that improvements in how consistently we hit the ball would make a huge difference to anyone. Tempo is absolutely vital and gets lost by lots of people, including me, when searching for those few extra yards. The accuracy vs distance debate is a fascinating one also as according to the stats averages sacrificing 60 yards off the tee for more accuracy is a poor trade more often than not. Agree with you obviously that 220 down the middle is better than 280 into water or out of bounds etc but whether it's better than 280 yards in the rough is another question. The averages say no and of course there's always the risk amongst the average player that the 220 shot ends up in a bad spot also meaning they are just 60 yards further away in a similarly bad position to the 280 yard shot.

@pete3953 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus I probably overstated when I said 220 vs 280. For the average golfer I suspect the difference between his/her longest but inaccurate drive and down the middle with somewhat less speed, is going to be much less than 60 yards. In any event I don't think averages tell the story in this case. Rather each individual has to do the experiment. From my personal experience and watching friends, straighter and somewhat shorter usually produces lower scores especially if we take the time to sharpen our short game, which doesn't depend on strength or flexibility. As for getting out of the rough...pros and the better amateurs can recover pretty well , the rest of us frequently have problems....assuming we even find our ball. An interesting statistic would be how many strokes mid/high handicappers lose per round to lost balls, unplayable lies, out of bounds/3 off the tee. I'm guessing most of us would score much better if we focused on accuracy and short game rather than striving for extra distance.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

@@pete3953 , think you've hit the nail on the head in terms of the course management decisions the average player is faced with but which I suspect doesn't think about nearly enough. Know I am very guilty myself for example of just grabbing the driver out the bag each long hole and just hitting it without any thought to the plan for the hole and what my bail out shot should be, where I even stand on the tee to aim correctly etc. Following that lack of thought I know I will waste countless shots. As for counting the shots which end up 'unplayable' off the tee you are absolutely spot on in my view and we're about to do a video on such stats which we think should be focus for all regular amateur players. The only slight issue I still have though is when it comes to the distance thing and how it affects how much improvement a player can make as the stats, whether they be average or not, are absolutely clear in that there will be a ceiling to how good you can get based on how far you hit the ball. There will be very very few if any single figure or lower double digit players who will hit the ball on average 200 yards on standard length golf courses so if someone is really keen to get their handicap right down they have to take on increasing their distances at some point if they are not there currently.

@samspade3227 3 года назад

I’m 67, can hit the 220 when the back feels lose. When I was in my 20s could hit 250 with a persimmon would driver. Great when your young and can twist your back like a pretzel.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

220 at 67 seems more than pretty good to me! Hope the back stays loose!

@martysmith6640 3 года назад

I'm also 67, 5-9 and 150 lbs, and about once every round, I can crank one out there about 260-270. But if you average all my drives, and remove the outliers, I'd be right in line with the averages in the video.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Thanks for the feedback@@martysmith6640 and great you're getting the ball out there when you connect. Think to be honest we're all in the same boat and know I certainly am with the averages. There are also a few too many outliers in my game for my liking!

@bernardhilton3527 3 года назад

I am 71. I have 4 wedges (PW GW SW LW) and a one length 4 hybrid which I use for long pitch and run shots. Wouldn’t be without them. Flat out the gap wedge will fly 100 yards in the summer and the pitching wedge 110 yards. These last two clubs are Cobra Radspeed one length clubs, therefore 7 iron length. IMHO skill and accuracy around the greens is essential to good scoring and enjoyment of the game. Yes I can manage a 240 yard drive, in summer with hard fairways and a helpful breeze.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

@@bernardhilton3527 That's great and the 4 wedge approach you're using certainly seems to be the favoured set up amongst the players on tour at the moment too!

@danielcohen3159 3 года назад

Thanks for this! I think it's interesting that 12 handicappers down to scratch showed the least increase in distance. I think this is the true indicator of how much the tech in clubs and balls is helping (or not helping so much as they claim). These better players hit the middle quite a lot, but aren't getting big gains. If it was just the technology, then pros wouldn't have come up almost 30 yards while the

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Think you're right Daniel and the pros advantages are not simply down to having the best of the best kit fitted 'exactly' to them and other elements are at play. Would be interesting to see what would happen though if that single figure handicap group were able to access the same 'fitted' gear as the pros without money being an object how much of a gain they would get from it compared to now?

@danielcohen3159 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus Exactly. I like when the TXG guys do fittings with mid to high handicappers and really get them dialed in. The improvements are almost always massive. Sometimes amazing!

@dw-sd4ep 3 года назад

Let’s not forget about lofts, higher handicap players are often using juiced up clubs so a low handicapped player hitting a 7 iron blade had the same loft as a pw in high handicap improvement clubs, the lofts have got stronger over the years which shows in this data

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

@@dw-sd4ep Absolutely. Would love it if the main stats providers started to give numbers of distances by lofts of clubs rather than the number. Think given the variances between sets now as you say it would be a much better metric than to compare yourself against.

@smitty9733 Год назад

The ball is the main reason for increases -- BUT -- even good amateurs cannot compress the ball like the pros do.

@marchaywood9378 3 месяца назад

Really helpful analysis, thanks for sharing and your comments

@GolfingFocus 3 месяца назад

Delighted you found the video helpful 👍

@edandkarendamadio4108 3 года назад

Why stop at age 70. I know and play with many golfers who are in their eightys. I am 86 and I can still hit it about 175.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

It wasn't deliberate to miss out the over 70s I promise. The data is not available at the moment but we'll keep looking!

@MaloPiloto 3 года назад

I am 69 years old and l love to play skins vs. my buddies who are in their 50s. I hang in there with them and am very competitive with them by generally hitting straighter shots and by use of my short game and by “golf course management”. The latter is not used often enough in golf....

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

@@MaloPiloto 101% agree with you on the course management point. Amateurs in general, and I'd very much include myself in this, don't think nearly enough about their choice of shot and it costs them loads of strokes. Always liked Ray Floyd's comment on this that the reason people don't shoot good scores is that they don't know HOW to play and that if somehow he was given the same golf game as any amateur he would beat them 99 times out of 100 simply because of his course management.

@johnkurtz7705 3 года назад

Nice, do you shoot your age?

@wreckim 3 года назад

Phil has proved that clubhead speed is something that can be increased well after your youthful years. It's never too late.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

How great was that win! Gives us all hope to keep playing well for a long time to come. Here's hoping he's not done yet also!

@andrewcottle5372 3 года назад

His second shot into the green is a cut above the rest. His short game is nothing but spectacular. From a hundred yards out the best player in the world.

@mikerodrick2430 Год назад

By going to the gym.

@gregoryhansen9628 10 месяцев назад

Lol “the only numbers that matter are the ones you write down on your score card”. Priceless information.... so true!

@GolfingFocus 10 месяцев назад

I wish it wasn’t the case given my normal scores 😂

@seancoxe1094 3 года назад

Nice synopsis of the issue, thanks. I've read most of the comments here and, as expected, the usual suspects have weighed in (you know, "I average 280-290 off the tee..."). Watch the pros on TV. Most of THEM only hit it 278 or so in the air off the tee, and get another 30 yds. from the roll out on the green-like surfaces of PGA fairways. In the thirty years I've played, I could count on one hand the number of amateurs I've seen who could hit a drive that far--and have fingers left over. Your figures are sobering but, I think, far more accurate than the apochraphal claims of many amateurs.

@troylatiolais2430 3 года назад

Average driving distance on tour is really misleading. When a tour player tees up a ball on a par 4 or 5, regardless of what club they are using that distance is used. Averaging 280 with a driver is very good. I'm right around that myself... Just curious what kind of average you get on a 3 iron, carry distance.? Mine is right a 200 to 210.

@sandersson2813 3 года назад

So true. All these people claiming they hit it 300 are most likely mistaken. They'd need a swing speed around 120 and also a very high smash factor and optimum launch angle and spin to average that sort of distance. Most decent amateurs and by that I mean people better than scratch probably swing around 110-114 mph.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Great point about the pros use of different clubs off the tee being included in the averages. Think 200-210 carry with a 3-iron is outstanding also! Can't see many amateurs beating that.

@jimmyReesby 3 года назад

I golf with guys who say the could hit it 300 yards. So when I'm 20 yards past them I just tell them I must have hit it 320🤣🤣🤣

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

🤣@@jimmyReesby. There do seem to be a lot of people regularly hitting the ball 300 yards Jim that's for sure!

@BradleyBarnes64 3 года назад

Excellent information thank you. I'm not so disheartened with my distances now 😊

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

No problem at all! Glad the info was helpful.

@golfhound 3 года назад

I always tell my friends to play the tees that will give you the most fun. Ego is a major flaw for golfers; many of whom feel they have to struggle from the back tees. Unless one is gambling or playing in a tournament play upper tees if it makes you feel better. I'm 65 and have EARNED my right to play senior tees. But I used to struggle off of back tees because all of my buddies were playing them and I kept losing money. I quit that group after a couple years and decided to play what ever tees I want now. Of course no more gambling either.

@Barneyrubble241 2 года назад

So at 59 and still hitting it about 240-260, I'm doing pretty good. Back when I was about 17 I could hit a persimmon wood with a steel shaft 300+ Wish I had that club speed with today's equipment. I'd be bombing it 350+

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

You certainly are Jim. That’s still great hitting compared to all age groups!

@spencertracy7861 3 года назад

57 and my avg drive is about 250. 7 hcp. 3 iron 215, 5 iron 185, 7 iron 165, 9 iron 145, SW 110, LW 100. 6'2" 200 lbs fit, lean and very limber for my age. Do a ton of cardio and light weightlifting, been real athletic since I was young.

@bayouboy8644 2 года назад

Your chipping and putting must suck, with those distances you should be a 2 . Your average drive leaves you the most a 9 iron in, so sounds like you need to work on your short game.

@spencertracy7861 2 года назад

@@bayouboy8644 Yep just as much as your mother lmao, hack. 🤣🤣🤣

@justincobb6823 2 года назад

@@bayouboy8644 Wow, jealous much there pillsbury hiilbilly,, remember, assumption is the mother of all fckups.

@Doraus1 3 года назад

Only had a quick view. There are big differences in Climate. I’ve noticed after playing in warmer climates and arriving back home expecting to hit similar distances in my younger days. I am 67 now but managed to hit a few screamers in Fuerteventura, a few around or close to 280. I am lucky to hit 200 this time of year at home

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

You're absolutely right about the climate point Peter and think that's also forgotten a bit in the near-perfect conditions the pros play in a lot of the time.

@charliepastrami2813 3 года назад

I think I lose 10-15 yards on every club if the temperature is 55° or lower 🤔

@aliensarereal7832 Год назад

I the same at sea level as I do at 6500 ft where I live. I just change the trajectory.

@dry509 10 месяцев назад

Yes so true about the only thing that matters is what you write down on your score card…I write down a lower score than farther hitters a lot of the time.

@dougswindowonnature9438 3 года назад

Take heart over 60$! I drive around 180-195, and I have managed to drop 10 strokes off my game in the last month through fairway and hybrid work, approach and eliminating three putts. I am 61 and have arthritis in my spine. 20 hdcp

@bman342a 3 года назад

You went from a 30 to a 20 in a month? Good on ya. Did you start playing in the last few years? If not, what was your hcp before your arthritis? Yes, good course management, better club selection, and consistency will help drop strokes far more quickly than more power. Esp with higher hcp players. The road to 15hcp will be a lot harder though. That's when up-and-downs become critical.

@gregbeck7276 2 года назад

True true. The short game is everything. It just helps to be able to bomb the drives but i played for years off 13 hcp by not using my driver instead only 3 wood off tees for accuracy. I worked on my short game until i could putt an average of 26 putts a game and could chip 1 in 3 chips from near fringes of green. Keep on keeping on and work on your short game and cant go wrong

@MrOccyc 3 года назад

Excellent Information. As I got older, and wised up, I’ve put more of a premium on hitting the fairway rather how far I’m hitting it. I was hitting it well over 200 yards when I was younger, , but the ball ended up two fairways to the right.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Many thanks and glad you enjoyed the video. No doubt think there are loads of strokes to be saved by all amateurs through better course management!

@jmack619 2 года назад

We were cart golfing, a buddy of mine and I, à few years ago, very few golfers on the course, our similar bad drives were so off line, by the time we found them, we couldn't,t even remember which hole we we supposed to be playtng!

@erichansen3641 9 месяцев назад

For men of all ages playing the men's tee box (5700 to 6200 yards), distances are as follows for Driver swing speeds of 80 to 90 mph: Wedges (Lob, Sand, Gap, PW): should carry between the 50 and 100 yard markers at the outdoor driving range. Only the PW should roll out past the 100 yard marker. Short/Mid irons/hybrids (PW, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5) should carry between the 100 and 150 yard markers at the outdoor driving range. You may get roll out past the 150 with the 6 and/or 5. Long irons/hybrids (5, 4, 3, 2) should carry between the 150 and 200 yard markers at the outdoor driving range. Ball should not roll out past the 200 yard marker except perhaps when hitting off a tee with the 2 hybrid to practice lay-up drives. Drivers (9.5 to 12.5 degrees) should carry close to or past the 200 yard marker at the outdoor driving range, but not roll out past the 250 yard marker. IF YOU FIND THESE DISTANCES TOO SHORT FOR YOU: then you need to move back 1 tee box level to the Championship Tees (not 2 levels back to the Pro Tees). Your Driver swing speed could be 95 to 105 mph. If your Driver swing speed is 110 to 120 mph you should be playing Pro tees. If your Driver swing speed is over 120 mph you should be playing the TIPS (Pro Tour Tees).

@GolfingFocus 9 месяцев назад

Tee it forward campaign gives some good guidelines too in terms of tees you should be playing off - pdf.pgalinks.com/p-g-a/Tee_It_Forward_Guidelines.pdf

@grahamgregg3006 2 года назад

Great video. Your comment at the end is really pertinent. Golf is a scoring game, not a ball striking game!

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

Many thanks Graham! Delighted you enjoyed the video.

@gowithgid3274 3 года назад

The older I get, the more specialty wedges I put in my bag and spend more practice time with them than any other clubs. At 76 it's gotten me to an 11HCP and coming down.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Fantastic. Think your approach of knowing your own game and adjusting accordingly is the best way to go and all the best with the quest to get into single figures this season!

@warholscircus 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus Heck, I'm rooting for him too! That's awesome! If we could have the wisdom of age for course management in our youth, everyone would be a professional golfer. The mind is our best and longest club, and the ego our biggest hazard.

@golfhound 3 года назад

At 65 years old, I'm finding that getting the right prescription on my glasses helps me read greens better. Hence, better putting => lower scores.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

@@warholscircus Just done some analysis also on the wedges being used by the top 100 on the PGA Tour and are an increasing number using x4 specialty wedges and ditching their pitching wedge - golfingfocus.com/what-wedges-do-the-pros-use-top-100-pga-tour-player-analysis-2021/. So Gid'sWorld approach is definitely finding common ground with the best in the business! Awesome!

@aliensarereal7832 Год назад

I love this channel because it brings in so many cool people sharing their games with others. This is how we help each other enjoy this game to its fullest.

@davidlloyd5152 2 года назад

I'm 53 years old and I drive the ball 240 - 260 with a 285 290 max and my handicap is 14. I'm more than happy with that according to these stats. Thank you!

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

Thanks David. Glad you enjoyed the video!

@Deperdussin1910 Год назад

Senior male golfer coming back to the game after 17 years off. Woods technology is amazing. WHEN I hit the fairway, drives have been from 220 to 270 yds! What I have not YET regained is accuracy/consistency. I know that to be THE key to a fun round and a nice score.

@GolfingFocus Год назад

Great stuff and welcome back to the game!

@steves9283 3 года назад

I'm 66 and playing like a right handed 6 year old girl playing left handed.

@rudyruiz9521 5 месяцев назад

I just started back about 3 months ago. Driving 225 easy with a max of 280 with a 1996 or 1998 ish hippo driver. 48 year old

@GolfingFocus 4 месяца назад

That’s great and welcome back to the game! 👍 Would be Interesting to see if any of the modern drivers let you hit it even further. Sometimes it doesn’t but can be a simple way to get even more distance if you’re lucky!

@bobbrown5951 3 года назад

Thanks. I'm better than I thought. I'm 70 and driver's in 240-250 range. But to your last point, my 3 wood isn't much shorter off a tee.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

That's great Bob and glad you enjoyed the video. 240-250 range with a driver seems pretty good to me. You're definitely well ahead of a lot of golfers out there!

@rwfetterman2546 3 года назад

"240-250 range at 70"! Outstanding...

@edro3838 3 года назад

Bob, I’m 65 and know what you’re saying about 3 wood. I’m almost as long with my Ping G425 as I am with driver. I think it has a lot to do with shorter stick, better launch which equals more accuracy.

@Stevenchefjones 3 года назад

Im not going to worry about hitting it harder or faster as a 42 year old at a swing speed of about 90 these distances are bang on for what i play. 👌 Thank you

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

There's no doubt the distance debate can become a bit dominant these days and it seems Rory McIlroy has already paid the price for focusing on it too much season given what's he's said recently. He probably wishes now he followed your thinking!

@alanwood4968 2 года назад

Yep! but my short game is magic and i found a lot of practise certainly helped oh and a big helping of Hogan. lol

@kennymacm3031 3 года назад

I'm 55 playing off 12. When I was 30 I was playing off 15/16 ISH. I'm hitting the ball longer and better than ever. Without spending huge money

@aliensarereal7832 Год назад

Great attitude dude. You obviously have figured out how your brain influences your game. Keep it up.

@lennybrown5292 3 года назад

I’m 66 . And I hit my Cobra Driver 240 to 275 yards constantly ! I play with my younger friends and in-laws . And they enjoy playing with an older man .

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Those still look pretty reasonable yardages to me Lenny and much more realistic than a lot of golfers on social media would admit to themselves! Saw a stat the other day on Twitter that only around 24% of amateur golfers hit the golf ball 250+ off the tee and only 8% hit it over 280. However over 95% of Twitter golfers hit the golf ball over 300 yards!

@lennybrown5292 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus , thank you for your reply . For me, practice, accuracy, AND , I don’t try to kill it like many of the boys do . 🤔 . You keep teaching 👍 .

@edro3838 3 года назад

Nice Lenny. Hang in there with the young guys…they’ll keep you young!

@jeffreylardizabal3964 3 года назад

I'm 60 and don't drive over 225 yards; but, I built a 36 yard, 2 Par hole on my front yard and have had over 17,000 shots on it this year in the 30 to 44 yard range, and have dropped to a handicap of 10.2 because of all that short approach work. Distance isn't everything. Look at Calvin Pete, he seldom drove over 200 yards because of an injury to an arm; yet, he still played competitively as a pro.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Not questioning for a minute Jeff that short game work is not important and will help sharpen scores and bring them down. Main point is really that when it comes to the stats there is a ceiling on how well you can perform 'on average' based on how far you hit it. Are always exceptions like Calvin Pete, Corey Pavin etc who didn't hit the ball very far but were very successful but on average it's always the longer hitters who do the best.

@Softouch333 3 года назад

Thanks for summarizing the data with good graphics. I believe ARCOS is total distance, not carry. Is that true for R&A/USGA data too? The WRX data is labeled carry. I use carry distance on my bag tag and try to be honest. My 5 wood (18*) and 22*hybrid are all over the place. Distances from there down is more accurate. I'll bet if you looked at the range instead of average for these clubs you'd see the same variability.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Yup, Arccos is 'total' distance and R&A/USGA data is the same - total distance measured from the teeing ground to the point where ball comes to rest. Agree the average figure masks a good bit and a range as you say would be ideal. My absolute preference also now would be for distances by the degree of clubs rather than the number as every set seems to be different these days.

@harrymelad942 6 месяцев назад

What is interesting to me is how the average driving distance by age has pretty much reduced across the board from 2017 to 2019 (and by almost 5 yards for my age group of 50-59) despite supposed advances in technology. Given that trend (which seems to be the opposite of what they say has happened in the pro game) why do the R&A and USGA feel the need to roll the ball back for the average amateur golfer by 2030?

@peterdrake5156 2 года назад

When you say 'hit a ball 300 yards' does that mean the TOTAL distance the ball travels or just the length of the flight before it hits the ground?

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

Hi Peter, Arccos stats in this video are Total distance while the swingspeed numbers are carry distance.

@johnklaus9111 2 года назад

Hdcp no idea at this point... last official was 9. Swing - 110 average Distance - 255 carry on warm days (ball goes less far here as most of the season I play in sub 60s temps) Almost no roll ever... They have pga tour events here and I scratch my head at the 30 yards of roll... no matter where they go, tour pros never leave az..... I’ve played there too... carry is 280... frequent shots around 300 yards.... In all, with no change of swing, I hit it variably 60 yards different off the tee during the season.... Scoring doesn’t exist on these pock marked bumpy greens with frequent holes from Improper aerating... Welcome to New England golf. I shoot like 10 shoots better in as....

@edge21str Год назад

Nice to see I have the club head speed of a scratch golfer. Now if only I had the technique.

@loganboyd Год назад

That Carry Distance chart seems far off. I have an 89mph 7i swing +/- .5mph I’m 6’4” and with my older Ping i20 irons I carry my 7i (33°) about 150-155yds. With my new Mizuno JPX 923 Forged my 7i (30°) carries 165-170yds

@GolfingFocus Год назад

Thanks for sharing Logan and hope the new Mizuno irons are working well. Hopefully with all the data in the Arccos dataset now - think it's well over 600 million shots now - this data is pretty representative but there are always going to be anolamies for sure!

@lt.spears1889 Год назад

I’m 58 average score 82 I’d say, driving 230 ( roughly ) and I was getting worried I was losing it, I now feel better.

@GolfingFocus Год назад

You’re definitely not losing it 👍 if you pay close attention to lots of YT videos you would think everyone is hitting the ball 320 yards min but that is for certain not the case!

@stuartclague3914 2 года назад

What are the loft angles of the clubs you use d in the survey? These make a huge difference. Compare 7 irons from different manufacturers and skill levels - these can go from 26 degrees to 30+ degrees. Also drivers….lofts vs swing speeds.

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

It's a great point Stuart and lofts have also unquestionably gotten stronger over the last 20-30 years. Good recent example I saw was comparing the Titleist DCI Golf 7-iron from 1991 with the latest T200 7-iron which was 5 degrees stronger and 1/2 inch longer. Given the data in the Arccos surveys were from their current users we can only assume that most people are using relatively modern clubs with stronger lofts but impossible to tell. For the pros we did an analysis last year of the drivers the top 100 PGA Tour pros are using - golfingfocus.com/what-driver-is-most-used-on-the-pga-tour-top-100-player-analysis/ - and driver lofts ranged from 5º to 12.4) with most common driver loft being 9º.

@amarug 2 года назад

My carry went up by almost 80 yards going from 25 to 40 years old. Also now, I am no Bryson at all, but I was just REALLY short at age 25. No clue why I wasn't able to exceed 85 MPH club head speed, now at 110 ish, which still isn't "crazy" but I am more than happy.

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

That's great and you are definitely bucking the trend of losing distance as you get older!

@fly1327 3 года назад

This was simply excellent, thanks!

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

That's great. Really pleased you found it useful.

@AATWT11 2 года назад

I have been playing for a week now and I went to go get fitted for a driver because I had a terrible beginner set that just felt terrible even though I had great form. During the fitting I was hitting 120+ mph swing speeds and hitting 330+ yards and more accurate because the extra stiff shaft that hit out on the driver. I had no idea at the time that I was absolutely crushing the ball. I thought that the guy was saying “beautiful golf shot” every time to try and sell me on a club. Now I know that wasn’t the case and that he was probably shocked how far I was hitting after only a week of going to the range.

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

I am not surprised the guy was shocked! The average driving distance on the PGA Tour is not even 300 yards currently with the longest hitter on Tour this year - Cameron Champ - only averaging 320 yards!!

@sdeevG 2 года назад

That 99 percentile lol. Let’s see some videos of you swinging!

@AtEboli Год назад

It's quite surprising that 6-12 handicappers (my range) only drive the ball around 219. I would have thought the average would be more like 240.

@GolfingFocus Год назад

Think these yardages always take people by surprise and everyone expects all the yardages to be longer. No doubt people can hit the ball further most probably when they flush one but the averages definitely show it to be much lower. Saying that if you read Twitter and RU-vid comments for too long everyone is hitting it regularly over 300 yards off the tee 😂

@craig3775 Год назад

Wouldn't you agree that the R&A have dropped the ball on their main objective? That is "To maintain the skill of the golfer as the over-riding factor in performance and not put it in the hands of the manufacturers". We have equipment nowadays which encourages swinging as fast as you possibly can regardless of strike location. The penalty for missing the geometric centre of the clubface has been dramatically reduced. Failure on the part of the R&A in my opinion.

@GolfingFocus Год назад

This is the hornets nest for sure Craig and I've no idea of the right answer if I'm honest. I used to firmly be alongside you about the rulemakers not controlling this well enough and minimising skill but the more I read and listen to the greyer I think the subject gets. These guys are just so good now and so professional that I wonder if they are just not inevitably going to get better and better and make older golf courses look silly. Listened to a podcast where Scott Fawcett was talking and he makes some fair points about do you really think if you made Dustin Johnson play with a driver the same size as his 3 wood it would really make that much difference? He would still hit it 300 yards easily as his ball striking is just that good. And rather than the size of the club it seems to me to be the ball that has had the most effect over everything else over the last 20-30 years or so. And then also these are the top 0.001% of golfers and should the rules be set just for them as the rest of us need all the help from the technology as we can get as the game is just so hard? Then if we start having different rules for them than for us does that ruin the game?

@edro3838 3 года назад

65 yrs old and driver is 265, 5 iron 180, 7 iron 158, 9 iron 135. I’ve lost distance mostly in the last year. I used to crank it out there with old balata ball and powerbilt persimmon driver 😂

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

I remember the old Powerbilt persimmon. My brother had one and loved it. And although you say you're losing some distance those yardages still seem pretty competitive to me!

@edro3838 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus I appreciate that. I’ve been playing since I was 16 yrs old. I think that has a lot to do with the distance that remains. Good fundamentals from an early age. Thx!

@Foxtrot1967 Год назад

I'm 56, swing speed is 85-95, hit my drives 250, 7 iron 135, PW 100

@robertcourt8593 Год назад

Absolutely cracks me up that the stats of millions of golfers show that people shooting upwards of 90 are not hitting it more than 220 Ave yet 90% of the comments on these videos are people claiming to hit it 275 on Ave 🤣🤣🤣

@GolfingFocus Год назад

Glad its not just me Robert. I feel I must be the shortest hitter on earth after reading all these comments sometimes 😂

@robertcourt8593 Год назад

I'm a short hitter, even by real averages but when I play with normal handicap golfers I'm never embarrassed by distance.

@MikeDunn-d3i 4 дня назад

@@GolfingFocus Saw this old vid thought the same.Ego driven and delusional ,a problem that plague's a lot of male golfers. Many trying to launch it which is holding them back from shooting better scores.I'm 66yrs 9 h/cap ave just over 200yds carry and seldom play with anyone hitting it miles past me.

@GolfingFocus 16 часов назад

@@MikeDunn-d3i great to hear from a fellow realist! 👍Updated version of this video in the works also so stay tuned. I am sure following it though there will be another mismatch between the data and the comments! 😂😂

@jiml9062 2 месяца назад

Is this 'carry' or total distance, I am 71 playing off 6, best I achieved was off 2, I carry my driver 210 and roll out depends on the time of year, summer can be 30-40 yards, winter can be 6 inches

@GolfingFocus Месяц назад

These are total distance 👍

@amfohr Месяц назад

That's really an anomaly, most can't do that

@danstory4286 3 года назад

"Average" numbers can be deceiving. Many golfers consider themselves average, yet most have no idea how many truly bad golfers there really are, dragging at the numbers, making "average" a lot worse than would be expected. At 56, hitting the ball an average of 270 (with my old R7 driver), I still consider myself average. I know plenty of guys my age that absolutely spank the ball, way past mine, yet my iron play and short game helps me outscore them most of the time. I will admit, I've lost a little distance in the last few years (5 yds. or so). However, I'm still well within iron range on every approach. Strangely, I have lost zero distance with my irons. It feels the same now, as it did when I was 30.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Agreed Dan that's there only so much you can learn from an 'average number' and a lot of the time is for interest as much as any practical value. An average of 270 seems more than decent to me and as you say the only number that really matters is the score at the end!

@markg.4246 2 года назад

No matter what age, leverage is the key to hitting it longer. (Particularly the driver) I had a driver custom made for me with a 65 inch shaft. Slow swing, better contact, and more distance. At 65 yrs old, I'm having more fun on the golf course than ever.

@rvhextall 3 года назад

Did I miss what time of year this was as don't the Pros all play on courses in virtually summer conditions? Are the amateur averages based over the whole year when it's freezing or boggy in England on a lot of courses?

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

The pros distances are measured at every tournament and for sure the weather seems to be good more than often than not based on what we see on the TV. Amateur distances in the USGA / R&A report are based on measurements on selected courses from May to September. The Arccos stats are probably the most comprehensive though as they are taking from 26 million shots played by their user base throughout the year.

@movieguy992 3 года назад

For all the talk of how equipment is improving I can't say that I've been experiencing it. I still have the same yardages into greens on my home courses as I did 20 years ago. I recently busted out my great big bertha driver from the nineties and couldn't tell much of a difference in distance from my more modern callaway.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Interesting. Have seen a few YT videos also testing this sort of thing out and coming to the same conclusion. Probably backing up how much the ball is so much better these days and the role its playing in increasing distances. Do you think your modern Callaway is more consistent though than your GBB with its bigger sweet spot?

@bman342a 3 года назад

Shhhh...this is the post that the big club manufacturers don't want you to read.

@movieguy992 3 года назад

Id definitely say it is more forgiving. I used to have a Warbird and if you hit it off the toe you definitely lost distance. I suppose my average drive has gone up because the bad shots aren't as bad but the good shots don't seem much different to me.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

@@movieguy992 Think the forgiveness element is a big thing with the modern clubs vs. the older ones. I also wonder how much the modern shafts contribute as well as the pros seem to be using ones these days where they cost more than the actual clubs!

@digismoke 3 года назад

Im 42 averaging 300yard drives and hitting 50% of my fairways. although im still a high handicapper because i duff the approach or 3 putt. The beer might have something to do with it though lol

@sandersson2813 3 года назад

Average 300 yards? Fucking bullshit.

@digismoke 3 года назад

@@sandersson2813 i wish i could verify this to you guys but i really have nothing to gain by making such claims. Im not even close to scratch. You are free to have your opinion.

@sandersson2813 3 года назад

@@digismoke It could be true, just statistically unlikely, and if true, why the hell don't you work on the rest of your game? What is the point in having this distance advantage if the rest of your game is so bad? Think how much more enjoyable it would be to score well. Why don't you post a video.

@digismoke 3 года назад

@@sandersson2813 trust me im trying golf aint easy lol. Ive only been playing golf for about 7 years and only started really playing at 35 as injuries from playing baseball and basketball in my younger days started to take a toll. living in a northern city i only have 6 mths/ year of playable weather which stagnates development...oh and theres also the excessive beer consumption 🍻 🤣 ill try and post something for you guys once the weather gets better here 😕

@sandersson2813 3 года назад

@@digismoke looking forward to it, but statistically speaking the chances of you having a swing speed capable of AVERAGING 300 yards, especially when you talk about drinking, your lack of talent and aminjury is absokutely tiny . Let's just say I'll believe it when I see it.

@5756strat 2 года назад

Another interesting analysis . Thank you. Are the driving distances quoted, total distance (carry & run out) or just carry? I assume again that you are using yards rather than meters. Cheers

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

Many thanks and delighted you enjoyed the video. Stats are 'total' distance and yup they are in yards.

@S01-k9z 2 года назад

First ever time using a driver on the range today , 3rd time on driving range , I started if using irons first 2 days , today I was hitting 241 yard shots measured by computer thingy

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

Great stuff. Hope you’re enjoying getting started with the game!

@hughb5092 3 года назад

Great informative video!

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Thanks Hugh! Delighted you found it useful.

@adamdix9125 2 года назад

I'm 5'7 and 34yrs old. I can easily hit 280-300 when I make pure contact and my best balls are 315-340. I landed two par 4s in one recently, one 310 out and one 330 out. Also shot the green on a 335 hole. I usually score between 93 and 103 so I'm not a pro at all but how common is it to hit that far for just a weekend amateur?

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

By whatever metric you look at those distances - pros or amateurs - that is incredible hitting Adam. On average only 0.1% of male amateurs drive the ball over 300 yards and when it comes to the pros the average drive is 298 yards or thereabouts so only the very longest PGA Tour pro hitters in the world are reaching 315 yards on average at the moment.

@michaeltran2743 9 месяцев назад

I’m also 5’7 but I’m 37. I suck at golf

@Vee-Hive 3 года назад

There should be a RU-vid golf tour. I'd pay to watch all these guys bombing it 300 plus yards.

@olroymtbetc.6117 3 года назад

I agree 100%! That would be very entertaining and enlightening for all concerned, I believe...

@deadlymantis4210 3 года назад

Does Arcoss take into account what club was used off the tee? As 3 woods 4 irons etc will bring that distance down.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

It's a great point and Arccos don't make it clear whether their analysis of the millions of golf shots they put together for this only was for tee shots hit with a driver. If we look at the R&A / PGA driving distance report though for 2020 driver usage off the tee for all handicap groups averages over 90% so if that holds true for the Arccos data (assuming they have not already filtered the non-driver tee shots out) it's probably unlikely the distances would be brought down too much. Would be great to know for sure though.

@craigbell3313 3 года назад

This is why they have forward tees so 80 year old's who hit it straight don't have to hit 3 wood approach shots on all of the par 4s. I took 10 to 12 strokes off my game when I went to the Gold Tees.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Totally agree Craig. Think everyone should play off the tees that fit their standard. Helps pace of play and more importantly it's proven to help player's enjoyment of the game. Doesn't stop anyone moving back as they get better or want to test themselves more also.

@lobbyrobby 3 года назад

I'm finally getting serious about fixing my slice. Before if I hit a straight shot I'd be around 285-300. Now since working on my swing and slowing down I'm about 225-250 and I'm ok with that. Once I get my slice cured I hope I can bring my swing speed back up

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Great work on getting the slice sorted and best of luck with getting the distance back up there with the increased accuracy. Will be some big rewards on the scorecard to come hopefully when you get there!

@aaronovski9949 2 года назад

If those numbers are right just change the grip a bit , move the left hand a little more under the grip and the right thumb a little more to the right, hope that helps , if not just play a little with the grip that normally solves it.

@stripervince1 3 года назад

In 64 and still hitting my tee shots really really good 275+ 3 yrs ago i was probably 300 on some drives. I can feel im slowing down, dont have the power i did

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

That's still amazing hitting to be honest! I would take 275 yards average all day long.

@Jarhead0331 Год назад

If my average drive is 270, according to the chart I should be a single digit handicap but I’m not😂😂😂

@leoapplegarth354 3 года назад

Following what your charts say I should be way better.... Avarage 290 yds at 34. Max 314. With a 60 degree at 100-110. All tracked via GPS. My handicap is close to 20 do actually have one though.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

That's the maddening thing about golf isn't it. No matter how good your stats are across various aspects - and there's no doubt your distance ones seem to be great - the one you write down on the card never seems to reflect them all as much as you would like. With those distances though and with a bit of practice on your weak areas you should definitely be able to get the handicap down. Good luck.

@jmxxx123 Год назад

The only number that really matters in golf, what did you scored in your round(honestly)..😊

@GolfingFocus Год назад

You’re absolutely right. Just wish sometimes it wasn’t true and the big drives mattered more 😂

@nomadvehr827 3 года назад

One more thing I think since Arccos has the clubs specified I think the iron distances should be considered by loft rather than iron number.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

100% agree. Given how much the lofts seem to vary these days between different sets, never mind whatever lofts the pros are using for different irons, think that would be a great metric for everyone.

@dumbdumber1885 3 года назад

I've heard that golfing in cold air decreases carry. If it does is the loss significant I wonder. Here in eastern canada the temperature will go from 10 to 30 C in the run of a season. I know that sometimes I feel like I really pound the ball out there but when I stand there and do the math... reality quickly sets in :)

@bbyrd130 3 года назад

It 100% affects distance. When the club and ball are cold, they don’t transfer energy as much. Also, cold air is more dense which equals more friction and drag on the ball than warmer air. I live in Florida and can tell a difference in a well struck winter driver vs a well struck summer drive. I think the math states that assuming you made two perfect swings (lol I’m still waiting on one) and all things were equal other than the temperature, the ball goes approximately 2 yards less for every 10 degrees (Fahrenheit) the temperature drops

@dumbdumber1885 3 года назад

@@bbyrd130 so I play in temps that range from roughly 50 to 90 Fahrenheit which would mean I lose up to 8yrds. I easily lose that to poor contact/swing etc.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Cold air a big factor for sure and agree totally with the other replies. I grew up playing in Scotland and getting a draw in the early morning for some competitions particularly in Spring was not much fun. Is tough to get the ball moving through the cold air and going normal distances! Think I've read somewhere the distance drop is about 2-3 yards on average for every 10 degrees Fahrenheit drop in temp.

@Vee-Hive 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus Yes. You read it two comments above yours

@coobay978 3 года назад

Wierd I am playing my best golf ever at 68. 8 handicap. And yes I'm hitting it a lot shorter.

@theindooroutdoorsman 2 года назад

So was this carry or total? Only the last chart specified.

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

Hi, the Arccos distances are total yards but the swing speed estimates are carry distances.

@timhautzinger6697 3 года назад

It would be interesting to see the differences due to elevation. I'm 61. at a 22 hdcp and I live at sea level. My Garmin approach S60 says my average drive is 221 in the summer.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

No doubt there are a large number of variables when it comes to measuring distances and difficult to easily compare by age groups, handicap etc as so much is clearly at play. What I'd really like to know these days also is the distance by degrees of clubs, particularly the irons, rather than just by the iron number as these don't seem very consistent between different people's sets these days.

@timhautzinger6697 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus True, comparing 7 irons doesn't make my sense but comparing 34 degree clubs would at least remove one variable. P.S. Playing at higher elevations is good for the ego.

@TexasGolfer 3 года назад

Here is a simple formula for you on elevation. For every 1000 ft about elevation add 2% to your distance.

@alanduncan9204 3 года назад

What is not mentioned is that tour pro's have access to clubs and shafts that the rest of the world does not get from "off the shelf clubs". i.e. the spec of all "legal" Drivers off the shelf is 100 mph swing no more than 250 yds carry. If I spent a week hitting balls at the Ping/Callaway factory I am sure I would get a driver that goes 280 - 290 like tour players who have physiques from 140lbs to 240 lbs and stand 5 foot 5 to 6 foot 5. In the 20 to 50 age group.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Definitely agree Alan the pros have the pick of all the equipment although not entirely convinced we could all get up to their level of distances simply by getting access to their gear. I think 'consistency' is part of their key advantage also and hitting it those distances over and over again. Interesting listening to Dustin Johnson this week that he's 'reigning it in' to hit it as far as he does and could get to Bryson distances with a long driver if he wanted to. He just chooses not to for consistency. Think we could therefore get another 20, maybe 30, yards with a trip to the manufacturers but not convinced it would be as high as 50 yards, particularly on a consistent basis. Would be nice mind you to get the chance to try without having to worry about the cost of the clubs and shafts!

@lakedog3616 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus I’m still hitting the $100 project x smoke that I was fitted for with my Calloway Epic Flash, but I always wonder what I could do with a $425 Aldila Rogue or $360 Diamana . Didn’t even get to try them at the fitting. Could they make that much difference? I’d love to know.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

@@lakedog3616 Can't say for certain but I'm fairly sure they would make a difference. Over 60% of the current top 100 PGA pros are playing either an Aldila, Fujikura or Mitsubishi shaft and don't think they would be doing that if they weren't seeing the benefits. It may only get you 5-10 yards though in which case is it worth it for the price difference?

@johngraziani4477 2 года назад

Other than distance and direction, my shots are pretty good.

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

😂

@juanr.rodriguez3109 10 месяцев назад

What! No way. I’m 52 and score on mid 80’s. But most of the Military groups I play with hit as far as I do with 250 or more.

@GolfingFocus 10 месяцев назад

Yup, there is certainly a lot of queries raised about these numbers. Given the size of the database they are drawn from though its hard to argue against them but lot of individual people for sure feel they are low.

@kimmorrison9169 3 года назад

Im 69 and my distance is just fine. Driver will roll out to 230-250 mostly in fairway or just off the fairway. Comes down to chipping/putting thou

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Those are good numbers Kim though must confess I'm doubting the importance of chipping/putting now vs. the long game after reading a lot of stuff by all the stats guys. The long game appears to be more important when you look at the numbers now and Mark Broadie's (pioneer of Strokes Gained metric on PGA Tour) mantra is - “If you can’t putt you can’t score, but if you can’t drive you can’t play”. I was brought up in the 'drive for show, putt for dough' school however the stats now seem to show that's a myth.

@belaireguy4117 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus With all due respect, comparing stats when it comes to amateurs and pros, they are night and day. I played golf with Jim Herman when he was a kid. I knew he was destined for the PGA tour and told him so................and of course he made it there. Consistency is everything in all aspects of the game, just like when they say" these guys are good," that is putting it quite mildly. Your quotes are actually accurate if you put them in the applicable range of golfers. To be clear, your video is great and the numbers I feel are spot on, whether those can accept them or not. All the best and take care.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

@@belaireguy4117 Couldn't agree more about the consistency point and how good these guys really are. My brother is a pro and made it to the final qualifying round for the British Open a couple of times but although a fantastic player was still a long long long long way off the standard of guys such as Jim Herman. The guys on the PGA Tour, European Tour etc are without doubt exceptional. Not sure I can agree with you on the stats point though. Mark Broadie's analysis has been on millions of rounds of regular golfers as well as pros and he has found this importance of the long game over the short game at all levels of the game - between a 110 scoring golfer and a 100 scoring golfer, between a 100 scoring player and a 90 scorer etc. Must confess it took me a while to get my head around given how much the primacy of the short game has been drummed into me since starting to play. Then again also it's the great thing about golf in that none of it really matters apart from the main stat on the scorecard. Thanks for the feedback also on the video. It is much appreciated.

@larrypilgrim12 3 года назад

I play some courses where you aren't rolling over 150 yards. We have a course women won't play. Water and conditions of the course kill the roller method. Every club matters. To be the best you have to be great with all clubs. Wether you hit it 250 or 300, every shot counts. Driver, PW, and putter are my 3 most used clubs. And on holes 275-360 yards those are generally the only clubs I use. Which is usually about 9 of 18 holes. Par 5's are driver, 5 wood, PW, and putter for me. Play a course with a rating over 70 and you are not going to fair well with the roller method. Have fun and keep swinging, good to see at your age you are still out there doing it.

@kimmorrison9169 3 года назад

@@larrypilgrim12 not sure where you can play that your ball will roll 150 yards? I’ve seen it before on asphalt cart paths but thats it. Conditions where I play are hilly and thick grass. You might get an extra 20 yards with a driver on a roll after the ball lands with draw spin.

@toddmurphy390 3 года назад

Funny how so few realize that as long as you can drive it 200 yds. or so you can reach most par 4s and 5s in regulation as long as you know how far you hit your irons. New improved clubs make it much easier to not have the big miss more than it allows anyone to gain extreme distance. I average 260-270 with a driver and I am usually longer than all the guys claiming a 300 yd average. My 5 iron carry is 180 to 190 and if you can’t hit a 5 iron that far you can not drive it 300 yards in normal flat conditions.

@phytosnappy3069 3 года назад

Yup, I'm a low HC who it's it pretty far. The group's in play in have many similar HC players that hit in the 220 range off the tee. You can hit greens with mid irons and hybrids!

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

100% agree knowing your exact distances is an often overlooked component in all this and that the game improvement and even super game improvement irons and hybrids are making it much easier to hit better and 'less bad' shots with the longer clubs now into the green. Don't think there's any doubt a bit of extra distance helps and the shorter iron you can play in the better. Was interesting watching one of the TaylorMade videos from a couple of years back where Tiger (pre-accident) was saying he would still regularly beat them all - DJ, Rory, Jon Rahm, Jason Day - if the game was 72 holes with 5 -iron in only but the problem he has is they are too far ahead of him off the tee now for this to make as much of an impact.

@James_Vaughn 3 года назад

I'm 56 and average around 100 mph with my driver. I go almost every day to hit on a Trackman (indoors), and those distances are about right, strong lofted irons excepted of course. The driver distance, as much as I like think I can do better, is basically my average on the Trackman. I mean, I can often hit shots that carry 250 or better, especially on those rare occasions when I hit one with less than 2500 rpm of spin, but that's not the average.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Thanks for the feedback James and know what you mean about the strong lofts point. Would be interesting to compare what distances you are getting outdoors compared to indoors to see the impact the conditions on the course have if you track that too?

@James_Vaughn 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus Apart from temp, wind, lie, and slope the Trackman distances are what I can expect outdoors. I think Trackman is assuming a temp of around 70, and during a season I might play in temps that range form 30 to 90 (NE Wisconsin). If the temp is like 65 or above then the Trackman distances are correct, given a good strike and reasonable lie.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Many thanks for the reply@@James_Vaughn and that's great additional insight into the comparison between Trackman measurements indoors and outdoors. Hope you can see some improvement also this year during the season. Will be very interesting also to see how all the stats compare to the ones produced by the 2 teams visiting you nearby in late September!

@krispy1k 3 года назад

My course is still stuck on making men play from certain tee box's dependent of your age and not by how far you drive the ball. Our white tees are 6500 yds that they make males under 65 yrs play from even though 95% of the league players can't hit the ball far enough to play our short irons for our second shots. We are trying to hit greens with long irons and 3 woods on Par 4's. I've presented USGA recommendations supporting that we should be playing our 6000 yd tee box but they are stuck on age.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

That's crazy KriskpyK and you are absolutely in the right on this one. Never mind the impact it has on slow play which we're all trying to improve why wouldn't you want people to enjoy the game more by playing from tees that match their skill level. After all surely they want people to play more rounds and therefore make more money? Hope you don't stop your presentations and they see sense very soon!

@krispy1k 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus Thanks for the reply. It's been a frustrating battle trying to get them to understand how to play correctly.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

@@krispy1k I really do wish you luck with this and hope you prevail on this one. It's just a better approach for all concerned and most importantly more enjoyable for the players!

@donaldsteenback2766 2 года назад

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@ubb4me 3 года назад

I'm 59 and average about 245 off the tee. Im assuming from the chart that my swing speed is about 90 to 95 mph. Where are all these 100+ mph amateur swingers on this chart? Everyone I see on RU-vid hits it 300+ yards. I always want to hit it further but am happy that I can play just about anywhere hitting it 245.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

That seems like a very decent average distance to me also!

@derekwhyle1884 2 года назад

I think the handicap chart is more accurate predictor than the age one. The age related one ignores the standard that older golfers may have achieved when younger.

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

No doubt there will be anomalies Peter as you say and will be a few high handicappers too who will hit the ball decent distances. Main point of all the stats seems to be pretty clear that unless you keep hitting the ball further there will be a limit on how low you can score and also post 60 it’s tough to maintain distance and therefore also scoring.

@kevinwisely2671 3 года назад

Great information.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Delighted you enjoyed it and many thanks for the feedback.

@myopenmind527 3 года назад

I’m nearly 60 and still hit it 250 yrds. Wish it was further.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Think we all do if we're honest. 250 yards on average off the tee sounds pretty good to me though especially if you're knocking it consistently up the middle!

@aliensarereal7832 Год назад

Second shot is the most important to me. I can hit the green 9 out of ten times with my 6 hybrid at 150 and my pitching wedge at a 100. That's were I want to be. If my driver sets up my second shot I'm good.

@GolfingFocus 11 месяцев назад

Approach shots absolutely the key for sure! This aspect of the game was the main reason for Tiger's dominance in the 2000s and he did ok 👍

@garyt2542 3 года назад

Men hit it further than woman? What are we going to do about distance inequality?

@tek6423 3 года назад

They figured this one out years ago.....the ladies tees.

@tim40gabby25 3 года назад

I remain particularly strong between green and tee. Ageless :)

@jamiesloan7259 2 года назад

I’m dead on average for a scratch golfer, with my 105mph swing speed, and distances with each club. I’d be a plus HC if my approach game was sharper. But….. it isn’t. lol. My putting is even above average. I’ll generally have less than 30 putts per round. My putting covers up my sub par iron play. It’s impossible to get your entire game clicking at the same time. This game is HARD.

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

It certainly is Jamie and if superb players like you find it hard the rest of us should probably go a bit easier on ourselves when things don’t go our way!

@jamiesloan7259 2 года назад

@@GolfingFocus I wouldn’t call myself superb, but thx. I still hit at least 5 horrible shots per round. I’ve just finally accepted that I can’t hit every shot “up to standard”, and then proceed to tackle the next shot at hand. Because of this different attitude, I rarely get doubles now, and it has dropped my average down to near scratch. I used to blow up mentally after a bad shot. It made things progressively worse. Keep at it, brother.

@stevemayo8492 3 года назад

I don't get why everyone puts so much emphasis on distance off the tee, you only hit 18 of those in a round, only about 14 when you take out the par 3s. I typically only hit 6-8 drivers in a round. Short game is where you score.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

You are absolutely right Steve that the short game is where you score but unfortunately the stats are clear that your scoring potential is tied to how far you hit the ball. To quote Prof.Mark Broadie, the pioneer of the strokes gained stats method - "If you can't putt you can't score, but if you can't drive you can't play." None of this is to say the short game is not important but the long game has been proven to be more important.

@bh5606 3 года назад

Is that carry distance or total distance?

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

The Arccos data is 'total' distance and R&A/USGA data is the same - total distance measured from the teeing ground to the point where ball comes to rest. The WRX data is labelled carry though.

@creamabdul-jabbar6722 2 года назад

You’re hitting more fairway because your hitting off different tees as you get older. A lot of average golfers don’t have time to hit the weights and things to get a farther hit. When I was lifting I was hitting 275-280 now I carry 240

@hardlearner2988 3 года назад

See my problem isn't distance. Need to work on accuracy. I hit driver 280-290 and my 4 iron about 250. On most par 3's I am using a pitching, utility or even a gap wedge off the tee box. Off the tee my pitching wedge is about 155 yards. For years I couldn't hit my driver because I had such a slice on the ball, until recently getting x-stiff shafts on all clubs. I think the most important part of golf is getting fitted to what you should really be using to improve your game. Distances don't matter as much after that.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Those are massive yardages and with a 4-iron I don't think there will be many pros, if any, who are matching you for distance. If you manage to get a bit more accuracy and a bit of sharpness around the green you could be a very low single figure player with those yardages!

@mikejackson6290 Год назад

Not sure your 4 iron distance is right

@jwaynes71 3 года назад

why horizontal row 2017, 2018, 2019 keep losing yardage? why 60-69 gained from 2018 to 2019?

@johnhubbard7384 3 года назад

Don't forget big influences are elevation , temperature, humidity, and ground moisture. Sea level with cold muddy fairways versus 4000 feet hot desert rock hard fairways. Probably 40 percent difference.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Agreed there are a lot of factors at play and those factors your mention are definitely going to have an impact when it comes to distance. Think you're only going to be seeing differences as big as 40% though in diametrically opposite conditions.

@martysmith6640 3 года назад

That is totally true. My best drive ever was with a slight tail wind, dry hard fairway, and the ball came down on the back of a slope which kicked it forward down the fairway for an absolutely prodigious incredibly long drive. But I would never say, "I drive the ball over 300 yards." I did it once or twice, but in general, I am right in line with the averages in the video. About 200.

@MrKillahippo 3 года назад

I'm doing ok if thats the numbers,,, I'm 62 .9 HC and I'm still averaging 230m-240m. sometimes on a calm day I get 270m

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

Great stuff. Close to 300 yards on average on a calm day is outstanding!

@MrKillahippo 3 года назад

@@GolfingFocus only got 240m today,, over cast and 18c , still happy with that but my putting was off due to trying to do the golden bear wrist putt instead of my shoulder turn putt. always trying something different, not always a good idea.. I can now do a Matthew Wolf swing,, but only with he driver, helps when my back is to tight., still love the challenge.

@mikeg.5233 3 года назад

I’m 80 and still keep hitting my Ping G20 up to 260 yards.

@GolfingFocus 3 года назад

That's fantastic Mike and you'll be along way past most golfers still with that I think. If you can share your secret think there would be a lot of interest!

@edro3838 3 года назад

Nice Mike! Keep it up!

@creamabdul-jabbar6722 2 года назад

The way I look at it, if you aren’t working out don’t ever say you carry your drive over 240. But I have saw a very small guy hit a 7 iron over the entire range 300 yards but he also played golf since he was walking. So don’t ever compare yourself to pro golfers like dj or Bryson if you aren’t benching 315plus

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

Have to agree with you. There are very few amateurs hitting the ball anywhere near the pros according to the stats and when it comes to why they are hitting the ball so far it definitely has a lot to do with fitness and club head speed these days.

@skeeteronthewater1568 Год назад

That's wild that my 280 average is more than all the classes except PGA lol

@aluminumfalcon552 3 месяца назад

Boy am I making this data look stupid. I’m driving about 60-80 yards further than I was 20 years ago. I can hit over 280 maybe over 300, but I don’t have data to back that 300 claim up.

@Cr4ftB33r 5 месяцев назад

I just got my first set of clubs after not playing golf for twenty years. My grandpa tought me as a kid, anyway i was looking at putters at dicks sporting goods today and also played around the golf simulation net thing. It said my swing speed was averaging 140 mph with the fastest being 164. Is this good? I dont know anyone else that plays golf The angle was generally between 25-33 degrees. I was using a 7 iron and it was going 130-155 yards each time.. Idk is this good? Seems like the pros hit it over 200 yards with the same iron..

@RobertTapia 2 года назад

I'm in Late 30s been playing for four months. I drive 170 at best. 1 out of 4 maybe, the rest go 100 wide slice right... 😢 Or 60 yards in front..

@GolfingFocus 2 года назад

Keep up the practice Roberto and 170 yards after 4 months sounds pretty good to me! You are getting closer to the average driving distance of golfers and don’t believe all those who say they hit the ball a long way! Good luck!!