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How Ferrari misled itself with its 2023 F1 car 

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@feniksix31
@feniksix31 Год назад
First. Unlike Ferrari.
@feniksix31
@feniksix31 Год назад
Or Mercedes 😢
@az23-j
@az23-j Год назад
violation fr
@lukealvarez3744
@lukealvarez3744 Год назад
Or anyone not in red bull
@tshepo7122
@tshepo7122 Год назад
😂😂😂
@NicotineRosberg
@NicotineRosberg Год назад
This is the first time I actually like a 'first' comment
@voidraker1736
@voidraker1736 Год назад
This car defies the first law of physics: things that are red go faster
@groundedgaming
@groundedgaming Год назад
Alfa Romeo taking notes furiously only to realise who it was following...
@thelegendformula6695
@thelegendformula6695 Год назад
Add stripes.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
@@groundedgaming add also side stripes and rear wing vinyl on it.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
@@thelegendformula6695 add also a vinyl and Brembo decal on the rear wing.
@eatyacereal
@eatyacereal Год назад
RGB underfloor = 13% aerodynamic efficiency!
@F_r_a_n_y
@F_r_a_n_y Год назад
It's funny how the budget cap is meant to make things more competitive, but what we're getting is teams already giving up the season after the 3rd round of 23 and switching focus to next year.
@remphey
@remphey Год назад
the problem is that with the budget cap it's likely that far fewer teams get it "right". and if one does, the others can't catch up quickly enough in the span of a season. that's exactly what happened. the worst thing is: only ONE team got it right. they should make sure that "poor" teams get more money instead of making sure that the "rich" teams can't spend more.
@racecarrik
@racecarrik Год назад
They should honestly just adjust the cost cap the same way they adjust wind tunnel time, that way teams that are behind could spend more and catch up.
@biggestsmoke1817
@biggestsmoke1817 Год назад
@@racecarrikbut it doesn’t matter if you don’t have the money. Like haas. It does not matter if they had a cap at 150M or 1B. But for higher teams, it’s a good idea
@benfulford3943
@benfulford3943 Год назад
The budget cap isn't designed to make it more competitive at the front but instead to bring the whole grid closer together. It has mostly achieved this. It does mean that the top teams cannot just spend their way out of trouble but will instead have to come up with other ways to get back to the front. The development restrictions should do more to bring the front of the grid closer together than the budget cap will but this will take time. It will be interesting to see if merc and Aston can catch up this season or if it'll take till next season to do that
@l4x3rj
@l4x3rj Год назад
@@remphey RB didn’t even adhere to the cap, won, and suffered no meaningful consequences. It’s a joke
@dimm__
@dimm__ Год назад
Ed has an uncanny talent of making me feel like im hearing the same sentence over and over again.
@captaintoyota3171
@captaintoyota3171 Год назад
Its his cadence. He repeats same ups n downs in his speech
@dimm__
@dimm__ Год назад
@@captaintoyota3171 ya hear Ed, vary it up!
@nuckels188
@nuckels188 Год назад
@@captaintoyota3171 he learned his speech pattern from How it's Made One might call it... how it's madence
@Finnie1
@Finnie1 Год назад
0:57 Ferrari even scored more points in the first three races in 2020 compared to this season 💀
@syncmonism
@syncmonism Год назад
IKR?
@f1ibraaa
@f1ibraaa Год назад
Huge disappointment especially with pre-season hype
@lukealvarez3744
@lukealvarez3744 Год назад
This season I don't think there was as much hype. Ferrari did not set the fire a light in pre season unlike previous years and red bull looked clearly firm favourite unlike 2022, 2019 where there was talk Ferrari could challenge for title. Instead Id say the hype was all with Aston and for me they have met the expectations.
@CosmicSeeker69
@CosmicSeeker69 Год назад
Not just for Ferrari fans but for race fans too..... One consolation: we've got A.M. to take their place ...
@camcambambam5128
@camcambambam5128 Год назад
Never put your faith in a bunch of Italians 🤣
@f1ibraaa
@f1ibraaa Год назад
@@lukealvarez3744 I agree, the hype was definitely more at Aston Martin once pre-season test had begun. But there was still hype, or rather hope, that Ferrari would be resurgent this year, and challenge RB again almost for redemption. As a Ferrari fan this season start has been hugely disappointing but I'm glad Alonso and AM have become unlikely front runners who could possibly challenge for wins later in the season as they bring more upgrades. I like Alonso too so let's hope AM can bring the fight to RB
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
@@lukealvarez3744 as always from Ferrari F1. Ferrari F1 Expectation: 👍 but in reality: Big Thumbs Down. 👎
@aaronyoghurt9210
@aaronyoghurt9210 Год назад
Not even half a season, and we already saw 2 of the big 3 already give up on the championship. So sad but seems like it was just ordinary F1. I got spoiled by 2021 and get my hopes too high
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
Lanzhu Zhong to Ferrari: Ferrari Ambition outweight your talent.
@chuza_97
@chuza_97 Год назад
Same... I started watching in 2021 and when I try to complain to my friends who are long time fans about this season they laugh at me; "you think this is bad, you havent watch the entire hybrid era"
@QuotidianStupidity
@QuotidianStupidity Год назад
@@chuza_97 it’s not even the hybrid era. Before Merc it was RB and Vettel. Before that the Schumacher years, before then the Marlboro McLaren. It’s just how it is
@Roxas-ph3te
@Roxas-ph3te Год назад
​@Ash Dont forget the 90s Williams brother. Those were incredible cars. The 70s and early 80s had the most parity but that's mainly because the cars wouldn't finish half the races allowing other teams to sneak in to the title fight. Only modern equivalent would be 2012
@duras200
@duras200 Год назад
@@QuotidianStupidity Also the Williams domination in the 90's. Mansell easily won in 1992 and Prost in 1993. Senna joined Williams in 1994 and they were 2 seconds per lap faster than anyone else in pre-season testing. Scared by that, the FIA changed the rules on the fly, hoping to stop the Williams. That led to the infamous Imola grand prix, the third race of the season, in which the Williams broke down, Senna crashing and losing his life.
@TheEclectic
@TheEclectic Год назад
Its crazy that this season is basically over. Hard to get into a sport where the outcome has been determined for the top spot 3 races in.
@juanin200
@juanin200 Год назад
Ironically for the pinnacle of motorsports, F1 is a very slow sport to follow, as most of the interesting narratives take months or years to develop and given its manufacturer nature teams tend to take turns to dominate different eras. Usually one team will nail regulation changes and run with the championship for years, if this new era of limited development actually works, we could still see Red Bull dominating for another year or two. You can take some comfort in the midfield, though, if that interests you, that does change year by year. F2 and F3 offer greater entertainment value than F1 quite often as well, as it's a spec series everyone gets the same chance, and the only difference is each driver's pace. And if you're willing to venture out of F1 and its feeder series', usually the slower racing the better, Formula E, Mazda MX5 cup, TCR, there's plenty out there and some of it is even free here on youtube
@brian133714344
@brian133714344 Год назад
When you realize even the SF1000 had one podium finish in its first three races in 2020.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
Agree. So SF-23 basically singlehandedly carried the legacy from SF1000.
@Myiz1
@Myiz1 Год назад
Damn we going out sad
@ELSTERLING
@ELSTERLING Год назад
Yeah, Ferrari's development fell off compared to their rivals and their reliability issues hamstrung their existing potential. The SF1000 was the fastest car overall at the start of the year but stagnated. They also seem to have been the only team significantly hurt by the ruling over plank flexing which came in to effect at Spa which suggests that that was a key part of their early season success.
@kashishwadhawan6193
@kashishwadhawan6193 Год назад
Don’t forget Sebastian Vettel
@brian133714344
@brian133714344 Год назад
Charles had 2 podiums and even had qualifying magic moments: 4 P4's in a car that wasn't even good enough to get to Q3 on paper. Seb had that magical podium finish in a wet/damp Turkish GP, even holding off Lewis for 14-15 laps. I can't shake off the "winless 2023" vibes I've thought of since the launch dates.
@thetruebatman4632
@thetruebatman4632 Год назад
It’s impossible for these teams (especially the top teams) to know before the preseason testing if they have a good or bad car. Obviously Ferrari assumed that if they developed their 2022 car they’d be in a great spot, but they can’t know what Red Bull and Aston Martin have come up with even past testing. Fred’s face each week has said it all. It’s like he doesn’t want to use words to say “I would’ve never been so quick to take this job had I known that the car was going to take a step backward, while RB takes one forward.”
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
Agree man
@sorakey4005
@sorakey4005 Год назад
maybe keeping the porpoising work better on their concept, u can kinda see it with Mercs try to rinse their floor once to minimize it last year, and it's turn out their car have really slow pace that race. This year with the new floor regulation, Red Bull, who doesn't suffer from porpoising last season, and Aston Martin, who has similar design, seem to benefit the most from it
@JakeM218
@JakeM218 Год назад
Ferrari said last year that they are struggling with developing this concept. They said the Red Bull car from the beginning of 22 was amazing but extremely heavy. Red Bull’s development path was therefore mostly just a case of removing weight from each element - the aero didn’t develop much from the initial concept.
@Shifftee
@Shifftee Год назад
Becoming Ferrari CEO is a career suicide in F1
@naufalpahlevi8976
@naufalpahlevi8976 Год назад
@@JakeM218 Source? Did you really really think the aero doesn't developed much where we can see they didn't use the same exact sidepods from RB18? 🤣 RB19 being 0.9 seconds faster than RB18 shouldn't be possibly achieved with only reducing weight..
@brucekerr4743
@brucekerr4743 Год назад
I believe that after LeClerc's DNF, they have turned down the power unit again. Look at the customer teams and their lack of speed also. It is not all aero concept that is behind the lack of performance.
@gouthamb884
@gouthamb884 Год назад
It was very clear in jeddah, in Bahrain Ferrari showed a good pace in quali and was the second best team , after the dnf of Leclerc, they choose to finish in points rather than compete for win and end up dnf
@michaeltrumph121
@michaeltrumph121 Год назад
They should crank it up again. Better to win once in a while and DNF some other times than to always finish 5 or 6
@sorakey4005
@sorakey4005 Год назад
@@michaeltrumph121 i don't think that should be the way tho, they will take too many penalty for each race and also has to start last if they always turn it up
@michaeltrumph121
@michaeltrumph121 Год назад
@@sorakey4005 So what if they take penalties, they can't win the championship anyway. At least they will win some races. And it's irrelevant if they finish 3rd or last at the constructors.
@shvkpr1
@shvkpr1 Год назад
Leclerc’s DNF was caused by a control unit issue. Not a ICE problem. Y’all really built a whole theory around this without actually knowing what happened
@MilanStojakov
@MilanStojakov Год назад
Binotto, missed never forgotten 😢
@vincentcollins1017
@vincentcollins1017 Год назад
i remember when these guys were gaining 30 horsepower during the winter 😂😂😂😂
@sanidhyakumar5816
@sanidhyakumar5816 Год назад
they gained but what we can say is very sad
@tjenadonn6158
@tjenadonn6158 Год назад
Can't spell Ferrari without a massive F.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
More like Error.
@lolbots
@lolbots Год назад
LOL
@javiersp15
@javiersp15 Год назад
Ferrari just being Ferrari: all hype and no beef.
@tjenadonn6158
@tjenadonn6158 Год назад
All cock, no balls.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
Ferrari expectation: 👍 Reality: Always big thumbs down. 👎
@jazzrockr
@jazzrockr Год назад
Ferrari fans under 45 were spoiled by the Michael Schumacher years and later by the time Kimi, Seb, and Alonso were at the team. But while the Tifosi had a number of good years, they often had years where they didn't live up to expectations.
@soundscape26
@soundscape26 Год назад
@@jazzrockr And before Michael's titles they went almost 20 years trophyless, which means that era was a bit of an oasis for them.
@speedsociety9177
@speedsociety9177 Год назад
@@soundscape26 well if you ignore Kimis 2007 win by 1 point over 2nd/3rd due to mistakes of Ham/Alo in the last race, it's been a while since Ferrari won a championship in convincing fashion, in fact it's almost 20 years.
@ConfiUser3
@ConfiUser3 Год назад
There is always something working against Ferrari. If they have a great car, flawless drivers, good strategy and good pit stops, reliability doesn't work. If they fixed the reliability, the strategy gets bad. Then they have good strategies, but the pit stops don't work. On a different race where the pit stop work, the drivers make mistakes. And if the drivers are running the best performance of their life, the car is not good enough. If, for some miracle, all 5 things work in harmony, the FIA fucks Ferrari with TD's or rule changes against them. And if that doesn't work, there's still bad timing, bad luck or other drivers and teams that ruin their race. Their first three races have been a mirror of how things work for Ferrari since 10 years. Pace was there in Bahrain, but reliability wasn't which fucked Leclerc not only for Bahrain, but for the next race in Saudi Arabia as well. There, they had a good first stint, changed tyres on both cars, only for a safety car to come out and offer free pit stops, even though the retired car was not even on track anymore. And then Australia where Leclerc had another DNF that wasn't his fault, Sainz pitting before the red flag came out, then being the only one penalised in a race where NOBODY ELSE was penalised, not Stroll for putting out Leclerc, not Hamilton for pushing Verstappen off-track, not Russell for slowing down massively at the first SC restart and nearly causing collisions because of that, not Gasly for murdering Ocon and ESPECIALLY NOT Sargeant plowing into the back of De Vries. And to top it all off, the penalty, although only 5 seconds, put Sainz last because of the last lap being behind the SC. At this point, the sheer amount of bad luck is almost comical. It's like Dark Mini is living in the Ferrari pits. As a tifoso, you're going into the weekend thinking "What will go wrong this time?"
@michaeltelfer946
@michaeltelfer946 Год назад
They've turned th PU down again surely given the struggles already. The cars set up window is too small
@2011blueman
@2011blueman Год назад
Don't worry, I'm sure that firing the team principle yet again is the key to success because that's been working for Ferrari (sarcasm).
@aaronmatthis7824
@aaronmatthis7824 Год назад
Ferrari really spent the whole winter developing a car merely hundredths of second faster than last year🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
Yes. But for me more like only 0.0000000001 seconds faster than even in 2020! LOL.
@tuna5618
@tuna5618 Год назад
In jeddah ferrari was like 0.7 seconds slower than in 2022 I thought, even though ferrari developed towards straight line speed they were slower on a track that needs straight line speed, honestly the ferrari paradox is that the car becomes slower at tracks it was designed to be faster at. Car feels good, much slower than before. Amazing.
@camcambambam5128
@camcambambam5128 Год назад
Ferrari had a race winning car with engine issues and decided nahhh we want a worse car with engine issues
@Nahor94
@Nahor94 Год назад
“ all these resources and you can up with this shit box…..”
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
Yes. Ferrari chokebox actually.
@Rascallucci
@Rascallucci Год назад
Well, according to the Italian press, they have already reported Ferrari will be copying Red Bull for at least the 2024 car. As for 2023, it has also been reported that there will be major upgrades by the time we get to Imola and the word is it will be so significant whereby the sidepods might even look completely different. If that is indeed the case, then my read is Ferrari has already started moving away from the original F1-75 "bath tub" concept and its subsequent evolution to this year's SF-23. In other words, from this point on, it will be kind of like a work-in-progress if you will as we make and test upgrades based on the 2024 "copy Red Bull" concept. It makes perfect sense because it would be absolutely futile to continue to produce upgrades based on the "bath tub" concept at this point when it has now been proven that it is a complete failure or at least one that cannot compete with Red Bull. Plus, it costs a ton to develop a brand a new concept even when you are trying to copy Red Bull, so using the rest of the 2023 cost cap as the test bed for the 2024 car will be a smart move.
@paulbugoni2846
@paulbugoni2846 Год назад
Ferrari need to improve reliability desperately first.
@justaname9544
@justaname9544 Год назад
What really bothers me is that in the early 2022 season, the bath tub/scallop concept worked and the downfall was engine reliability. How can you make a backward step?
@Scientist-exe
@Scientist-exe Год назад
Last year Australia Leclrec was racing against himself and winning every lap.
@Rascallucci
@Rascallucci Год назад
@@justaname9544 It isn't a backward step. While the F1-75 was good to begin with, it simply wasn't "good enough" even if you discard engine reliability issues. Let's be honest here, the RB18 was better than the F1-75 at the very least on 2 fronts, namely 1) straight line speed and 2) tire deg. On both of those issues, Ferrari is now lagging even further behind than last year. Why? Because the SF-23 is a lemon. That is also why David Sanchez decided to get a job at McLaren because he probably would have got fired for such a major screw-up.
@Rascallucci
@Rascallucci Год назад
@@paulbugoni2846 There is no such thing as "first". They have to work on everything all at once. Besides, engine reliability has nothing to do with aero, they are 2 different departments. In any case, you don't have the luxury to only work on 1 thing at a time. This is F1, time waits for no one.
@perpetual_bias
@perpetual_bias Год назад
"despite suffering from back pain in australia..." 1:51 what... how or why is this even relevant lmaoooo
@soundscape26
@soundscape26 Год назад
Noticed that too... wtf? 😄
@gitlyndon
@gitlyndon Год назад
Ferrari underperformance: traditions.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
Yes. Ferrari has been underperformed since 2020.
@Roxas-ph3te
@Roxas-ph3te Год назад
​@@purwantiallan5089 Make that since 2009
@LimitPro1
@LimitPro1 Год назад
Aston Combined both concepts and it works
@jarofflies1
@jarofflies1 Год назад
I remember 2004 when Williams abandoned his 'walrus' nose design concept, reverted to a traditional one, and even won a race at the end of the season. But then is tough to ditch something you have worked so hard to make it work.
@WaelAli-sd8sw
@WaelAli-sd8sw Год назад
Binotto was never the issue.
@thatandrew2439
@thatandrew2439 Год назад
Yes and no he was smart on car performance but he was not a good leader for the whole team. Improvement doesn’t change over night
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
@@thatandrew2439 Ferrari themselves is the main problem.
@michaeltelfer3483
@michaeltelfer3483 Год назад
Yeah he was
@selder_7
@selder_7 Год назад
It’s tricky because it’s hard to know whether Ferrari’s idea is wrong or if it’s their ability to make it work that’s letting them down. Like if Redbull had the same concept, would they be faster? I think Aston gaining so much and Redbull being so clear this year will cement to Ferrari and Mercedes that they should just suck it up and copy Redbull’s concept so they can learn why it’s good, maybe have a better shot of getting it right in 2026, and can at least get 2nd until then
@sanidhyakumar5816
@sanidhyakumar5816 Год назад
see copying some one you are already one step behind top three doesn't want that
@shanemac1111
@shanemac1111 Год назад
One of the biggest problems is Leclerc. Over rated.
@chrismdb5686
@chrismdb5686 Год назад
Your drivers are irrelevant if the car isn't there for them. Hamilton and Max wouldn't be much farther up the road in this thing.
@soundscape26
@soundscape26 Год назад
The car's shortcomings aren't surely because of Charles.
@lolbots
@lolbots Год назад
lol...Charles is in the top 3 fastest of this generation. I hope your benchmark isn't Sainz
@shanemac1111
@shanemac1111 Год назад
top 3 for going off circuit more like it, he'll never be the legend you hope, not in that class what so ever, I'm old enough to have watched Senna and Mansell race, so I know a thing about F1.
@B00ZEBAR0N
@B00ZEBAR0N Год назад
Curious about somrthing lads.... Do you guys just use teams "track day / film day" promo reels - thinking (or knowing) that's public domain content? After watching this story today; after seeing the same clips over abd over abd over... it seems you all are using filming day clips and they just get repeated in roughly 15-second loops. Only asking because other F1 podcasts who also use RU-vid ("The-Race" only broadcast news stories on RU-vid but nnot your primary weekly podcasts iirc? You also don't broadcast your tech or V10 podcasts on youtube either - right?). Apologies for not knowing this off the top of my head; but am not a fan of RU-vid at all. But my real reason for aking is the whole right-to-use issue is whats of jnterest to me.... as all the podcssts that do record and broadcast live on youtube are terrified of being banned by F1/FOMA/Liberty/RU-vid and would never use Ferrari or Red Bull action or race video clips? So am just curious how you lot are able to do so without getting any strikes or bans on your account? I'm betting "all in" on my "film day" materials and tgat those are not DMC protected. But I've been wrong a thousand times before. Abd surely could be wrong here yet again. Clue us fans in aye?
@XxXgabbO95XxX
@XxXgabbO95XxX Год назад
Ferrari the 4th fastest car, really? I saw a post on reddit where based on GPS they elaborated the average race pace of every car, and saonz was just behind max. I don't know where your data comes from, as GPS is the only source of you haven't got the team's data, which I don't think you posses.
@Larph13
@Larph13 Год назад
An energy drink company makes a faster car than a super car manufacturer says something.
@jaysuneakle
@jaysuneakle Год назад
Ferrari has a beautiful car. Hopefully it'll catch up
@Ares14
@Ares14 Год назад
Lets talk about McLaren's horse pulled carriage after this.
@ryanjonathanmartin3933
@ryanjonathanmartin3933 Год назад
Nobody really calls McLaren out even though they've fucked up much much more than Ferrari have in the 21st century. It was just masked somewhat during the early 2010s because Hamilton is an easy scapegoat for a lot of fans.
@NotKimiRaikkonen1
@NotKimiRaikkonen1 Год назад
Ferrari, like most Italians, live in the past. And can't comprehend why their historic reputation of greatness no longer applies to today...
@joen4088
@joen4088 Год назад
Yet no mention about the ride height rule changes to appease Merc's whining which sabotaged Ferrari's concept mid last year?? Or how about the piss poor yellow and red flag decisions which robbed them of potential podiums so far this year.
@Nutelko8
@Nutelko8 Год назад
Classic Merc. They have been doing since the start of the hybrid era. Always screwing them.
@Himmel.Himmel
@Himmel.Himmel Год назад
oh great let’s blame mercedes as if aston martin, alpine and williams haven’t benefited from that sand rule change.
@AZBCDEE
@AZBCDEE Год назад
@@Nutelko8 Ferrari’s fault since 08. They couldn’t win against rb, they whined a gained red bull all the time. Since 2014 they whined against merc
@AZBCDEE
@AZBCDEE Год назад
Ok Joe explain their bottle since 2008 then? Brawn defeated them then red bull and the Mercedes and then red bull again. Keep crying Joe
@Showdownxlm
@Showdownxlm Год назад
I could spend years listening to why ferrari fails... Well i guess i can 😅 but tbf they would have been in contention for 2nd in australia
@launchsquid
@launchsquid Год назад
It seems people misunderstand Ferrari's real place on the grid, they're a midfield team that sometimes gets race wins, that's it, that's all you should ever expect from them. They had that weird period durin the early 2000's where they over performed, but otherwise it's been the mid field for the last 40 or so years. Why would anyone reasonably think they'd do better than that when that's all they've really done before.
@danielkristiansen2298
@danielkristiansen2298 Год назад
Don't remember where I read it (possibly a Duchessa twitter post), but Ferrari is ditching the current side pods and are going towards something similar to Red Bull. I think it is coming to Imola.
@paulbugoni2846
@paulbugoni2846 Год назад
Good. Maybe they will be closer to RB before the engine fails during the race.
@pavann3019
@pavann3019 Год назад
5:00 Is there any area left??
@gnorred88
@gnorred88 Год назад
The worst part about the budget cap is that teams have no choice but to mail it in 3 races into the season. I know there will be upgrades an midfield battles but the best we can hope for is that maybe, by the end of the season, one of the top teams will be challenging RB for wins. If this was 2020, Mercedes would have a B spec car on track next month and the fight would be on.
@mrfred456123
@mrfred456123 Год назад
lol true. Merc would create 3 sets of cars with different design ideas just so they don't even miss 0.00001 seconds per lap of performance.
@natefoster
@natefoster Год назад
How much were the big teams spending before the cap?
@gnorred88
@gnorred88 Год назад
@@natefoster I’m sure someone will correct me here if I’m wrong but I believe RB and Merc were spending north of 400 million
@zining_90
@zining_90 Год назад
People accuse Redbull and Mercedes of sandbagging but they don't know that it's actually Ferrari. It's working so far. Just hope they don't stretch this into the next season.
@gamingnoah9807
@gamingnoah9807 Год назад
Ferrari will be 200 points down and reveal their true pace 🥶🥶
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
@@gamingnoah9807 nope. 666 pts down actually.
@rockytalkndawoods3057
@rockytalkndawoods3057 Год назад
3 races in last year we all thought Ferrari was running away with it.
@viidiicii
@viidiicii Год назад
@Nt both cars had speed and rb had reliability issues during the early season but they sorted it out and ferrari didn't.
@barackhusseinosama9189
@barackhusseinosama9189 Год назад
Then Mercedes cried about building a crap car for the Ground Effect era, pressured the FIA to raise ride heights and let RB run away with the championship. MB should just be thrown out of the sport tbh
@baronvandedem3997
@baronvandedem3997 Год назад
I don't believe it's the concept. I want to turn your attention to the technical management who chose to stay loyal to Mattia and left with him after Ferrari's senior management failed to show faith in him.
@hellohumans175
@hellohumans175 Год назад
i thought Mattia got different position at Ferrari
@sanidhyakumar5816
@sanidhyakumar5816 Год назад
@@hellohumans175 unfortunately no he worked 23 year over there
@FrankRollo
@FrankRollo Год назад
Ferrari were looking for podium in the last two races but got unlucky with safety car
@tuttutteddy8889
@tuttutteddy8889 Год назад
I’m still waiting for this engine which is the “most powerful” in f1’s v6 turbo hybrid history
@timbraska6750
@timbraska6750 Год назад
I think it might be. But if you have to always turn it down to avoid it comitting die you don't really gain much.
@jamesmack3122
@jamesmack3122 Год назад
Last year Ferrari seemed superior at firing up the tires and managing degradation on longer stints … albeit a little draggy. This year Ferrari seems to have prioritized the drag issue but at the cost of tire management … red bull who were low drag last year seems to have found a way to maintain low drag but improve tire degradation Ferraris lap times at the overlap tracks so far suggest they would be better running last years car for overall pace
@halofreak1990
@halofreak1990 Год назад
Even last year, tire deg was a major issue for Ferrari
@Elizabeth-vh6il
@Elizabeth-vh6il Год назад
It's still very early days. The balance might shift slightly or even somewhat. But performance so far does suggest that Ferrari are at best competing with Mercedes this year, and even that's only happening when Ferrari manage to hook up their car to perform at its best. And Mercedes themselves are rear guarding (and sometimes front fighting) against Aston. No one is anywhere near Red Bull except when Red Bull have an exceptionally bad day. It'll be controversial if Mercedes comprehensively beat Ferrari into the floor if the reason for Ferrari's downfall stems from the contentious oscillation limits rule change that Mercedes pushed for. Will be interesting to see what the fight for 5th place in the constructors will turn out like, given that the top 4 teams may effectively end up locking out all of the higher points paying positions (at least once Ferrari's drivers stop making mistakes!). Can Mclaren hang in there and take something positive away despite a dog of a car? And what the heck happened to Alphatauri? They've gone from regular top 10s at the beginning of 2022 to struggling to get out of Q1. Red Bull's second team is not going so well (Which is a shame because I wanted De Vries to do well and become like a new version of Gasly, back when he was pushing that team forward in 2019-2021).
@Arseization
@Arseization Год назад
I would love for the budget cap to work but apparently all it did is assuring that whatever team (of the big 3) nails the regs is sure to win the first few seasons of the era as there are not much ressources left to outengineer during a season with the cost cap in effect.
@tHebUm18
@tHebUm18 Год назад
A lot of new reg development happened at the big 3 before the cost cap was in place giving them a significant leg up. 2026 could be very different when it's all down to efficient management of resources, even if the big 3 may still have a disproportionate amount of the most talented engineers.
@florisbackx1744
@florisbackx1744 Год назад
I think Ferrari also misjudged the situation by not taking into account that the RB was overweight at the start of last year, but that's my sideline observation. And lets be honest everybody is surprised by the relative big improvement RB made over the winter.
@SiVlog1989
@SiVlog1989 Год назад
As Ed has said in a previous video, and this year's car is a perfect example of it, one of Ferrari's repeated failures over the years has been using designs that were once competitive, but lost their competitiveness as they were left behind by others
@paologagliardi6205
@paologagliardi6205 Год назад
The concept was competitive until Toto and Lewis managed the FIA to boycott it with TD39. But it backfired to them because RedBull took a bigger advantage from it. The mistake Ferrari did was to think that their concept can survive with small adjustments, but clearly this is not the case.
@FrankRollo
@FrankRollo Год назад
Ferrari had the 2nd quickest car on sunday
@Olifantenstaart
@Olifantenstaart Год назад
Ferrari developed in the right direction. Then Red Bull pointed out it’s a left corner.
@BoyeeSmudger
@BoyeeSmudger Год назад
I've never wanted an f1 car on its back (especially RB), showing me and everyone else it's belly.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
Agree.
@cmskinner3682
@cmskinner3682 Год назад
Sounds like Ferrari being Ferrari.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
And Ferrari always being got Ferrari'd. Forever.
@superxavxii421
@superxavxii421 Год назад
Low key, everyone should stop being stubborn and just admit RB have the best car concept and just follow them. Aston did it and look where they are.
@Calum643
@Calum643 Год назад
It blows my mind how obsessed The Race are with sidepods. Completely obsessed with sidepods.
@KayJblue
@KayJblue Год назад
I think it’s down to engine performance. I know that Bahrain is a strong track for Ferrari, and obviously the car is no RB19. But the significant drop off in performance since leclerc’s dnf and issues points to the engine being turned down. Ferrari has also been really low in the speed traps while they were the fastest in Bahrain.
@daltonhays5156
@daltonhays5156 Год назад
I really hope Ferrari can make this car concept work. It was cool seeing 3 very different looking cars from the big 3. It just sucks that Mercedes concept is trash and Ferrari's might not be good enough to keep up with Red Bull's concept long term. I was hoping to see a 3 way battle between Max, charles, and Lewis with 3 different concepts but as Red Bull dominates it feels less and less likely that the other teams will keep using their concepts
@markhazard3176
@markhazard3176 Год назад
It’s too bad really. I always enjoyed the low rake vs high rake concepts and how they played out over different tracks before the last reg change. Also the Ferrari looks stunning. I remember people quoting “If this was a beauty contest we’d already lost”…
@daltonhays5156
@daltonhays5156 Год назад
@@markhazard3176 yeah I really like the new Ferrari. Very different and the side pods look so good with the livery
@Euclides287
@Euclides287 Год назад
Mercedes built a tractor. Ferrari a lawnmower 🤦
@hueyfreeman7810
@hueyfreeman7810 Год назад
😂😂😂
@soundscape26
@soundscape26 Год назад
Damn, neither car is that bad. They will fight for P2 in the constructors after all.
@keonxd8918
@keonxd8918 Год назад
Then what's the AT?
@Euclides287
@Euclides287 Год назад
@@soundscape26 Merc and Ferrari are awful cars compared to Red Bull. Neither team stands any chance of winning any race this season unless something happens to Max and Checo. That's what I'm trying to say.
@worstalentscout
@worstalentscout Год назад
Ferrari is back to the mid 90s........slow, unreliable ,political games within the team..............been screwing up since 2008........
@shu6037
@shu6037 Год назад
i dont think its all about the concept. rb must have something fishy to achieve this much development difference.
@DailyShit.
@DailyShit. Год назад
🤣, you 🤡
@lolbots
@lolbots Год назад
perennial cheats
@thejonathanrath
@thejonathanrath Год назад
Is Mattia still available?
@PrioCaptSend
@PrioCaptSend Год назад
I don’t know why but I feel like this is the season that Ferrari will implode on itself.
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
Jie Hao Khor, i belive Ferrari in 2023 kinda reminded me to Repsol Honda 2023 MotoGP Team. Too high expectation but the result were abysmal.
@bit_ronic
@bit_ronic Год назад
god i hope
@MarkLRandall
@MarkLRandall Год назад
They're well on the way.
@Tomato-lr2yu
@Tomato-lr2yu Год назад
That's as dumb, if not more, than their Next Year™. To think that a brand like Ferrari can just "implode" is to know absolutely nothing about the automotive world.
@michaeltelfer3483
@michaeltelfer3483 Год назад
Im glad Ferrari tried to stick with there concept tbh, dont wanna see 20 cars that look the same,. They Still don't understand how there car was effected by the TD39. The car is too stiff now, The front wing flexed and disrupts the air flow making the floor not work. Fixable but is it worth it long term
@Ramdhan2412
@Ramdhan2412 Год назад
What's 'peaky' car mean?
@reynaldiwidjaja277
@reynaldiwidjaja277 Год назад
Its like a turbo when its on boost its FAST but when it building boost its very slow. Basically its not consistent.
@MilanStojakov
@MilanStojakov Год назад
It means that it has a very small optimal performance window. So when you are operating in that range, the car is very fast, but to get it there a lot of things have to be right like tier temps, aero, engine mode, setup and driving style. It's like a peak on a graph, takes time to get there, lasts very small time and then decline starts.
@mikeaddison6651
@mikeaddison6651 Год назад
I wonder how long before they talk about Mercedes.....0.01....Nevermind
@jbj7599
@jbj7599 Год назад
As a new casual fan(can't get enough of the history tho) sure Max will prob be first, but 2-5th could be interesting with Mercedes and Alsonso, and Ferrari being a ? Right now.
@GrayCatbird1
@GrayCatbird1 Год назад
This is kind of sad in a way, it seems like it's all indicative that we've reached that inevitable point where the diversity of concepts seen in the first season has to go away, now that a superior concept has been identified.
@ToriksLV
@ToriksLV Год назад
I keep saying and will say again, forget 2023 and switch to 2024 car. Make a new concept and not RBR copy one.
@proton9551
@proton9551 Год назад
WHAT excuse could Sainz give.... " i , I , I ,......" anyone who does this needs to be penalized. Yes, my heart goes on the Ferrari for a horrid start BUT if someone does this to Ferrari....
@milosvasic9678
@milosvasic9678 Год назад
So it's a "next year is our year" again? :D
@AndrewDRSWilliamson
@AndrewDRSWilliamson Год назад
If they don't change soon they themselves risk been pushed further back. Surely it won't be long before the likes of Alpine,alpha tuari etc change to the favoured concept.
@gabormiklay9209
@gabormiklay9209 Год назад
Downforce + tyre grip combination seemingly not right, because of the high tyre wear (compared to RBR). Maybe. 🤔 After this: reduce drag for straight line speed, with maintaining the same downforce level. After this: it's almost 2024, so hurry up! 😉
@andrew8966
@andrew8966 Год назад
Let’s admit it. F1 is broken. There has been no real competition since 2010. Where 2 or more teams were fighting for the WDC. Since then RBR and Merc have absolutely dominated(except 2012 ofcoures)
@marcoskatsuragi
@marcoskatsuragi Год назад
SBinnala. >D
@PanosKleinFotiou
@PanosKleinFotiou Год назад
The Race videos...I used to enjoy the content. Now we get all the info in the Title and you talk around in circles without saying anything for 9 mins in order to hit your targets or something...It's been many videos that I quit mid watching because I notice the talking in circles saying nothing motiv!
@josegrullon024
@josegrullon024 Год назад
Way too early for such judgement. Charles spun on the Australian prix. Car was fully okay, just some dirt on the tires. He was ordered to DNF. Why? Sains would have p4 if he wasn't so aggressive after restart. Red bull looks faster than everyone because of their DRS system. Pace wise, without including DRS, Ferrari does have a competitive car.
@kaekayyy2554
@kaekayyy2554 Год назад
bro they really did stop inventing ☠
@tunisiandom9318
@tunisiandom9318 Год назад
4:40 that's not the only explanation ... it could be that the Ferrari team of engineers is simply less competent thatn redbull's so they can't extract all the potential even if Ferrari concept has more potential. 8:30 changing concept will do everything but help them take the fight to redbull. See Aston Martin can't take the fight to redbull for a reason, a team with 2 years of understanding a concept can't be beat by a team that just started experimenting with the concept. changing the concept now will only mean they are settling for fighting for P2 in championship. The problem in Ferrari is that the car is not even faster than last year. the Ferrari 2023 is half a second faster than the 2022 car in melbourne and that's purely because of the changes on track (chicane eliminated and an additional DRS zone and stretching another DRS Zone). which is the same as the other struggling teams like Maclaren and Alfa-romeo (a team like alpine gained 1.2 seconds, mercedes 2 seconds, RB 1.5s etc)
@Model_Student
@Model_Student Год назад
I think that’s a possibility as well. Ferrari has started to personify “arrogance” since the early 2010’s
@yudhabagaskara98
@yudhabagaskara98 Год назад
Massa's accident back in 2009 marked the downfall of Ferrari
@theopot5798
@theopot5798 Год назад
From 2009 EVERY TIME Ferrari happens to have a very fast car , FiA changes the rules favoring Redbull or Mercedes .look it up !
@wilbertpamplona4487
@wilbertpamplona4487 Год назад
SCUDERIA FERRARI WAS ALREADY too good last season but they chose to change people, thank the Ferrari bosses
@MTbone7
@MTbone7 Год назад
Give Lando a shot at them
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
Give Lanzhu Zhong and Mia Taylor a shot at Ferrari man.
@jgagnier
@jgagnier Год назад
It’s a bit disingenuous to talk about the lack of pace of the car when the #1 driver DNFed twice and had a 10-place grid penalty in the one race he did finish. Ferrari won’t win the title this year, but I think we can expect it to be in the mix with AM and Mercedes. Put another way: if Red Bull had been just a tad less fantastic in their car development, we’d have 8 competitive cars at the front, including Ferrari’s.
@mikelliteras397
@mikelliteras397 Год назад
Ferrari got screwed by the “save Mercedes drivers from Mercedes” rules. Not to mention the drs on the RedBull is unbeatable and I’m sure will be copied by everyone next season. Just sucks for this year. 1 competitive year in the last 10 years is pathetic. Happy for Alonso tho
@ambergris5705
@ambergris5705 Год назад
Guys, stop referring to the sidepod shape as "the concept". Of all the aerodynamic performance of the new regs cars, 75% comes from underneath, where you can't see it, and sidepods only do part of the upper body downforce and downwash. The issue is somewhere else, often in the floor packaging and execution. Last year's Mercedes was struggling, but not really because of the sidepods, otherwise they would have changed them earlier (and changed them for this season too). They were still far ahead with their slim bodywork from Aston Martin with their bluff walls and RB copycat at the end of the season. We just have to accept that we mostly cannot see what produces downforce in this year's cars, and stop focusing on quite unimportant things like the sidepods.
@rohanprem9822
@rohanprem9822 Год назад
I will never understand Ferraris decision to bring in Fred Vasseur. His previous stints with both Renault and Alfa Romeo have been mediocre, at best. Can't help but feel the move to bring him in was to keep Leclerc happy, after he and Binotto's breakdown in relationship last year. If that was the main driver that led Ferrari to bring in Vasseur, then it doesn't bode well for the team as long as Charles has so much power within the team.
@jeanclaudebertoni6262
@jeanclaudebertoni6262 Год назад
bravo!
@AuslanIz
@AuslanIz Год назад
I think your assessment on Mercedes and Ferrari have to change their concept is wrong! Because you are not the authority on aerodynamics and engineering. There is many way to make something work. Unfortunately time, money, test restrictions doesn't make it easy. Thats why they need to gamble it to develop it while going to a different circuit setting-up to win some money/points. So, you dont know if they can make it work. As Mercedes made a huge improvement in the last circuit. Lets see if that still goes up on the next ones! The current rules are ridiculous, they are Not accomplished what they meant to! Formula 1 is becoming a joke! RDS is a joke!
@LouSassol69er
@LouSassol69er Год назад
Alonso and Mercedes pace was pretty much exactly the same in Australia. But once Aston finds some straight line speed they're guaranteed 2nd best car rest of the season.
@jb-y1487
@jb-y1487 Год назад
Not really finding straight line speed isn’t that easy plus the Mercedes is easy 4kph faster than Aston Martin Mercedes I will find gains in the corner now the can run the car at the proper ride height
@Frozander
@Frozander Год назад
Alonso's car is faster due to better tyre deg on the car. In any other circuit Alonso would be way faster in 10-15 laps on same tyres and overtake without much issues. But in melbourne there is practically no tyre deg.
@Roxas-ph3te
@Roxas-ph3te Год назад
​@@jb-y1487 Performance is track specific and with Merc they have had a Bahrain performance where Alonso and Leclerc left them in the dust and Stroll beat Russell and a Melbourne performance where both were level to Alonso so I wouldn't jump on the Merc bandwagon yet. Aston, like the comment above says, has better tyre wear and more consistent pace while Merc are pretty much bipolar in comparison with worse tyre wear. They could be 2nd one weekend and 4th the next depending on the track
@LouSassol69er
@LouSassol69er Год назад
@Nt I mean they've got the most time in the windtunnels than any of the top teams. It's not their own tunnel yet but it's still the Mercedes one. They showed in 2022 they can find little loopholes like their high downforce wing.
@palaniappanalagappan5054
@palaniappanalagappan5054 Год назад
Hey, would you mind sharing the source of "speed of car" and how is it calculated....like I find it one of the best data shown in this channel
@purwantiallan5089
@purwantiallan5089 Год назад
Yes. Ferrari F1 expectation this year imo is far too high.
@Roxas-ph3te
@Roxas-ph3te Год назад
It's a weird one because I feel it heavily relies on the drivers. AM should be closer to Mercedes but Stroll can't compare to Russell Hamilton or Alonso. Alpine were faster than Haas KMag was nowhere compared to Hulk, Gasly and Ocon and Mclaren were faster than AlphaTauri and maybe the Williams but Albon DNFd so it's hard to say
@NaplesFC
@NaplesFC Год назад
Will vassuer be sacked if they finish 4th in the constructors ?
@TheKevinGHutton
@TheKevinGHutton Год назад
Ferrari is just a bad team, and has been for decades. They got lucky with the magic trio of Schumacher Braun and Todt but otherwise they're just constantly flapping around without a clue.
@SeverityOne
@SeverityOne Год назад
Try to pronounce his name correctly. You don't pronounce the "s" in "Charles", and you don't pronounce the final "c" in Le Clerc either. The "e" in "Cler" is pronounced like it it is "beg".
@FreddyMacT
@FreddyMacT Год назад
it's way too early to be making these wild claims... misled itself? I'm sorry didn't Binnotto say that the car wasn't close and as the season went along the car lost speed comparatively to the grid? The whole "Ferrari bad" narrative has no nuance and frankly as the season goes along, with upgrades, they will get better. Are they close to RB? No, but frankly no car really is atm and that's how the new rules shake out.
@optimusprime028
@optimusprime028 Год назад
I knew Ferrari is fcked big time when they offered Newey 27m dollars which is more than what they're paying Charles or Carlos but he still refused.
@lucyhidayat9063
@lucyhidayat9063 Год назад
I believe SF development approach is faulty. If the car was fast in most corners w amazing traction, how would it be beneficial for them to be faster on straights but losing in traction & most corners???!! It s a tit for tat..! Not a logical solution for improvement. If they re unable to keep the positives of the last year s car & improve its lack, then either the tech team, engineers arent sufficiently competent. It s been a trademark for decades in SF & the good years are scarce.
@AnIdiotAboard_
@AnIdiotAboard_ Год назад
LOL what does it mean for the rest of the season? I burst out laughing this seasons over already, Max will take title, red bull will cruise to the constructers. At some point merc and ferrari will accuse the seb bull of being illegal in some form, the FIA will of course call it legal but outlaw it next year. Some form of controversy around silverstone time, probably rear wing based or possibly floor. Before a a final shake up at the end of the year when seb bull inevitably slip up and loose a win.
@technovelodos
@technovelodos Год назад
Please learn how to pronounce the drivers' names properly! It's pronounced as 'Sharl Leclair' - there is no "CK" at the end!
@whiteroommenace
@whiteroommenace Год назад
While the top runners debate plan A vs B , Ferrari already plans for E and D. Driver errors can be covered if the team stand up , Ferrari seems to be in serious over estimation of its own capabilities. Development race gain or starting with the best car , throughout 2010 till now Ferrari has proven it can throw away all the possible advantages to make a fool at the end.
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