How FEW Echo SUMMONS are Required in Zelda Echoes of Wisdom? 

Counting the Beetle Mound echoe as one summon is totally legit. You did summon ONE thing. No controversy there.

Now this is an interesting challenge I hope more people do challenges that are not "get the sign, do a glitch, skip the game "

The one room in Faron is the highlight of the challenge. Great use of almost the entire room and a single echo. You found its niche and used it perfectly.

It's crazy how different the game becomes when you're going for fewest summons instead of fewest echoes!

We've been experimenting with this challenge over in the speedrun discord and a lot of these exact tricks have been found already; if you found a lot of this stuff on your own, that's really impressive! The bombchu trick (that I discovered a few weeks ago to skip the Lanayru room) in particular is really useful; you can use it to skip the first half of Eldin's boss room without messing with the pots. Some echo skips/timesavers you missed: -You can fall in through the ceiling to reach the room with Conde, skipping the first icicle. For the second icicle, you can position a spear moblin in the room right before conde (which you can backtrack to) right next to a torch after making yourself an ice block bridge from the north door, and then fall in between the spear moblin and the torch to make the game realize you're stuck and respawn you back at the last safe ground(in which case, the door) while still being lit up by the torch , which gives you enough time to run north and melt the ice while being on fire. -Someone on the discord found a way to use a bed to pick up the crate in the water in the castle passage, allowing you combine the echo to get out of the water with the echo to remove the crates blocking you by throwing the crate at the other crates. -You still solved it in one, but you can do the Faron Temple one with a Lava rock; throw one of link's bombs on top of the lava rock to lower it far enough, then pull the lava rock so that it gets caught between the scale and the ceiling to the right. From there, you can bind with the armos from the peak of your jump and do is normally (using the lava rock as an extension of the wall to the left so you don't get stuck beneath the ceiling). Skips the nuance of the beetle mound. -You still cleared it in zero echoes, but reaching the first cloud in Stilled Hebra 2D is trivial; just bind the chest to the right, and use it to zipline to the cloud. -The lava octorock in Hyrule Castle doesn't need the keese bind; you can position yourself near the center of the grate holding the octorock, then when the octorock is about to fire, move down. This gives you the right angle needed. -If you bind a Zirro from Death Mountain while it hasn't noticed you (and then jump off Death Mountain while it's caught on something so that it ends up directly above you), you can carry it anywhere and just press R to get incredible height. Enough height to skip the first cave of Hebra Mountain, in fact.

My biggest curiosity about the game is beating echoes of wisdom using the automatons. They always seem so useless with all the other echoes you get, and even more useless given they can break and have to be repaired. Im curious if it was possible to beat the game using them. Including the slumbering dojo

Learning that the Null swim is a farce was the worst part of this video

if you can beat it with only 36 echoes, you could feasibly do an echo nuzlocke where you can only use each echo one time

1:32 in the speedrunning discord someone found a way to skip the boulder (your 4th in the counter): with some careful placement, you can from your echo bed grab the box and place it in the bed, then grab the box back once on the first floor layer, and with some more of those you can get the box to the top; you then throw the box to break one of the boxes in the line instead of having to use a boulder also i think someone managed to do the 9:13 room echoless too? don't recall any specific for skips others than the boulder one, but there has been some cooking in the min echoes usages channel there if you are interested shared the video there great job with the challenge! love to see more videos like this

this is such a fun challenge idea! one of my favorite puzzles in the whole game was the heart piece in the deku jail that forced you to platform without being able to summon anything

I was so curious about this and it was really cool to see you pull this off with so few echoes! you sir are a genius.

18:00. I have done this battle so many time through a few playthroughs and the slumber training and never thought to just attack the eye while she is on the wall. I....I don't think I can call myself a fan of Zelda games anymore for this blunder. It's Gohma. Why would I not think that?

Finally, I have been waiting for this challenge ever since it was released

You are crushing it with the eow stuff! I'm loving your videos.

I love the minimum summons idea. We already know that with glitches the game can be beat with one echo so that leaves very little room for speedrun routing. But limited summons has lots of potential!

Echoes of Wisdom if the Echoes were consumables.

The weight puzzle with the beetle mound is insane, well done

I'm a bit curious about the minimum uses of the link form or ultrahand needed to beat the game. Like if there are any points beyond the like, two or three dark webs you need to cut down. I don't remember too many spots where bonding is mandatory, the usage with bosses seems largely optional. I guess there are plenty of statue moving puzzles.

Glitchless playthroughs are so fun to watch

No, I've been wondering what the fewest you can learn is. Can you beat the whole game with just beds, spheres, and a dream?

4:20 you can also bind with the sea urchins in this room and use them to hit the switches.

oh damn finally someone answered this, i was thinking i’d have to do it myself

I just started following you and your videos are super cool and addictive (not in a bad way)

I wonder how different this challange would be with fewest tri triangles spent rather than fewest summons. So summoning a 1 cost summon is 1 triangle, but summoning a 3 cost summon is 3 triangles. At 16:40 you got past the seesaw using one 3 cost triangle; I wonder if it's possible to get past it using two 1 cost summons, or if completing optional rifts to level it to cost just 2 triangles is possible, and what other places the run would be different now that stronger echos isn't necessarely better than lower cost echos

Based on how things are laid out in your video, unfortunately it doesn't seem like there's any way to save enough echoes to make any of the automatons worthwhile. I would be interested to see a minimum summon 100% run though, since there are a lot of neat extra challenges outside the main dungeons that wouldn't make sense otherwise for a minimum % type run.

I think you can do that faron room by spawning a bomb to weight down the plate, then a hawk statue to get up

I think this could be a zero echo-death run if not for the bomb fish.

Lovely challenge idea! How about the opposite? How much can you achieve if you play the laziest Zelda possible, and use bind, reverse bind, and echoes for everything, from combat to movement? Be interesting to see how many times the game forces you to break these restrictions.

If you wanted to make this challenge 1 step harder do lowest cost (how many triangles) possible. This way instead of just using the bomb fish you experiment with the sea urchin strat. Also it might validate doing extra rifts to reduce costs of some troops for 0 or 1 additional summon.

i think the speedrun uses bond too take away nulls hands in that water section

17:46 OH MY GOD THAT WAS INSANE

Do the separate Skorchill phases despawn echoes like with the Link fight? Otherwise, maybe you'd be able to keep both an cheaper ice echo and a cheaper fire echo (octoroks, maybe?) alive at the same time through the whole fight to bring down the count from having to keep re-summoning all those wizzrobes.

What about minimum uses of Bind? Admittedly, I don't know how interesting it will be, and obviously the final boss will add lots of uses.

19:00 apparently if you bijd the mobs you can drag them to the wall and Link with wack them?

called it

8:45 I think you can just drop those statues you got in the earlier dungeon.

does the snow boss despawn echoes? If not, could you summon a ice and fire echo that's cheaper, so you could keep it during phase 3?

I know you can enter the room where conde is shoveling from above, maybe you can avoid using summon number 19. 11:41 (this screen)

Does this change the ten echo minimum?

I still want to see fastest defeat all bosses no glitches you can use any in game method of going threw the game faster as long as its not a glitch but you need to reach and defeat ever boss.

>glitchless Stopped watching there.