Yeah finland did well but in the end they still lost. Which was rather unsurprising, given the Soviet Union had enough military assets to conquer the entirety of mainland europe including spain had the d-day invasion not taken place. Thankfully d-day happened
Based on the recent performance of Russia's soldiers and the state of their equipment and logistics, Russia would basically be throwing thousands of soldiers to their death if they try Finland in conventional warfare. Finland has a lot of well-trained and highly motivated soldiers backed by modern equipment and other western European countries. Russia cannot afford to open a new war front. They're incredibly bad in contact warfare. If Putin didn't have that nuclear weapon option, this war would have been over a lot sooner.
Russia has a good historical record of sending thousand of young men to their deaths anyway. If you think that they won't do it cus it sounds insane by 2022 standards, you're mistaken. They will keep sending men to die... but eventually they will win. Not being afraid to lose millions of young people, is something that CAN allow someone big with so much manpower like russia, just win. Doesn't mean that it will be a pretty win, it won't.. it will be a humiliation struggle. But they will get the land they want.
@@musicilya6674 This is the only thing left for Russia... trying to scare people of nuclear war so maybe someone will respect them again. Sorry, but it's not working.
@@akhsdenlew1861 I'd like to think that the Russians themselves won't let it get to that point. It might be wishful thinking on my part but I'd think that they, of all people, would not want another Stalin in power.
Brit living in Finland for 17yrs here. Note to Russian potential aggression. Don't. You will be crushed. Not that I'm a military type, but the Finns are more than ready, Nato or not. And going by Russian track record so far.. There's not much to fear. I know lots af Russians that live here too, and they happily live away. (as well as Russians in St Petersburg, not terribly faraway, that protest against it all). I think if anything, every effort should be made to keep peace, and Finns lead a good example.
uhm... no... but he did remind the world why it's important to have Nukes... no nukes, get raped... have nukes? Be left alone to continue to kill people while everyone just condemns you, sanctions you, but later sits down to negotiate a cease fire and lifting all sanctions
It doesn't really matter, if Russia does nothing, NATO expands, if Russia resist NATO expands, might as well protect your interest by all available means not just asking or warnings.
I'm a Russian. I grew up on hockey, where finnish players were playing for my local hockey team. I love them all so much, even tho my sister once really wanted to move to Finland. So I don't support any Russian agression to Finland or Ukraine, because I think my country should change to focus from invading country to start developing it's own. Much love to Suomi
I think this video misses the main reason why Russia hasn't invaded Finland and the main philosophy behind Finnish defense. Finland has made the thought of invading it incredibly costly. Finland can mobilize more than half a million trained soldiers from a population of 5,5 million. Every building above a certain size has a bomb shelter. Every bridge is designed with slots that make destroying them with explosives easy. Finland has prepared for an invasion since the second world war and has enough guns to hand every willing person a East-German AK and tell them to camp in the forest. And what would Russia gain from invading Finland? Finland has little natural resources, there are only a few million people and Finland's location is not that strategically useful all things considered. The main philosophy behind Finnish deference is a cost benefit analysis. What would a potential invader gain and what would it cost? The reason behind the move towards NATO is partly fear yes, but also the benefit of remaining neutral is not that great to Finland anymore. During the cold war Finland benefited from being able to trade with both east and west but now that Finland is in the EU Finland has to follow the EU sanctions. It is impossible to sit on the fence anymore.
900k reservists (with guns for everyone as well). If war breaks out, the Army can just take anything and everything (like transport vehicles, buildings, anything you can imagine) under its control if it deems it necessary and the terrain is perfect for guerrilla warfare too. And other (infra etc) benefits which I am not gonna discuss here :)
My sister-in-law is Finnish and she says that her brothers have been getting training the last several weeks. There would be a lot of the population ready to fight.
Russia do not want to invade Finland because Putin wants to dominate Europe, Russia will invade Finland or Sweden if they want take a side, Putin will not let any other Russia's neighbor to be a NATO member anymore (and MAYBE, the most concerning way, they might use nuclear weapons against its neighbors)
As a Finn, I honestly think that the situation is clearer now than ever before. We would no longer need to consider whether our military is capable and large enough to repel a Russian invasion, when we can instead avoid an invasion by joining NATO. It is becoming even more obvious that Russia sees neutrality as weakness and indecisiveness, and has no respect for it.
@@Frozenpizzareviewer Invading Finland would be insane. Russia can't fight a two front war. Also, Finnish entry into NATO would be automatic, because they meet all the requirements and have been conducting joint operations with NATO for years. It's not the same situation as Ukraine at all.
russia has no interest in invading finland, russia never invaded finland historicaly, except for political reasons or tactical reasons, finland is not important, but if it shows itself wanting to join the anti-russia pact, formed by historical russophobes, then yeah and i support them.
Finland should join a third faction, well if russia and nato dish out finland is on the loosing side, no matter what. unlike Ukraine who are considered brother to russians, finnish are not in the same spot. its easier to kill a stranger than a brother so the backlash on striking finland is much milder than ukraine.
So true. I never felt like NATO was needed, but as I see this attack on Ukraine, now I completely changed my view about Russia and now I feel NATO is the best option.
Yeah, I am still somewhat ambivalent about joining NATO, but just the idea of giving Putin a massive middle finger tipped me in favor. Genocidal bastard. I truly wish hell existed, just for war criminals like Putin (his name is apt in French).
I am an Indian living in Finland. I really love the honesty, integrity and hardwork that an average Finn displays in daily life. Finland, unlike many other European countries, does not have a bloody history of colonialism. Finns have developed themselves by sheer determination and hard work. Average Finns are patriotic without being xenophobic. There are reasons why Finland ranks number 1 in human development index time and again. Long live Finland 🇫🇮 ❤️ ❤️.
But Sweden has betrayed its neighbours on multiple occasions which is why Scandinavia (+Finland) 'Nordica' is still an umbrella term rather than a political reality. NATO should make demands of both Sweden & Finland. Membership isn't automatic. They are to be respected as sovereign states but this time they have to be open, sharing and passionate rather than merely cherry-picking their obligations as they do in the EU.
@@celtspeaksgoth7251 Shut up you bafoon, when have we ever betrayed our neighbors? if you mean the Kalmar union then we'd be speaking danish by now, and I'd rather die than do that.
Russia: "I strongly advice you to not buy auto insurance for your car. If you do, it would be a shame if something happens to it" Finland: "But if i buy insurance, i am insured against stuff that happens to my car, sounds like i should join asap"
The only problem is that insurance is 'make believe'. It has never been applied nor tested in today's world. No one has had to use it before..... So will it work when it's needed? Prob not. The claim would be denied lol and the car would indeed be smashed the hell up, no doubt on that. Especially when your insurance "adjuster" is a incoherent potato.
@@austism1 Precisely. There are no certainties in the life and death of nations, and no perfect security alliances, but NATO has spent 70+ years getting very close indeed.
@@austism1 What are you talking about? If the "insurance" is joining NATO, it is definitely not make believe. It wasn't tested because people are certain that the insurance will pay out. Thats the point.
@@theacme3 It hasn't been tested because there is no insurance for nuclear "damages" to your car.... there is no such claim that exists... no repairs can be done... no autoshops to take it too... it would be over. Your insurance is worth shit. Especially if it means it could mean the end of the insurance company all together if they "help" you join lol. They wont risk it. WHICH IS THE POINT. The leader of the insurance company doesnt even know what year it is let alone care to help these countries... I mean customers lol
I'm a Russian. I do not support putin or his war and aggression. I Love Finland -- your people, your architectre and construction, your nature, your metal music and video games in particular! Cheers, and remember that not all Russians are bloodthirsty zombies!
@@mcniesh1 That's awesome! But it is "уже 3 года", not "уж 3 лет". Russian is a very complicated language. Happy to chat over some beers if you want some practice! Cheers!
As a Norwegian I can say that whether or not they join NATO, a lot of Norwegians will come to their aid! The Finish people are our family, and if someone attacks your family, you make them bleed!
very noble but not very wise. No one actually threatened the Finns (except the mainstream media, who keep imagining fantasy as fact. Try pulling away from your television for a few years. You'll notice that your brain will be released from subliminal programming. You could find the effect exhilarating!
@@ollimustonen Good luck, Olli. You guys are going to need it. You obviously know nothing of NATO's unpleasant past, so research Operation Gladio for a start.
I think it goes further than that. I'd say that if Russia attacks Finland or Sweden - regardless of whether they join NATO - the EU and US/Canada (with or without NATO) will almost definitely join on Finland/Sweden's side. Ukraine isn't considered to be quite "close enough" to the west to be worth protecting, but Finland and Sweden definitely are. by the way, I'm not saying Ukraine doesn't deserve more support than it's currently getting (it definitely does!). I'm just trying to see the (ugly) political reality.
@@Clickty Operation Weserübung started one month after Winter War ended. Norway was still free during Winter War, and there were Norwegian volunteers fighting for Finland. Most of the volunteers didn't make it to the frontlines before the war was over, and those who did was also on more peaceful fronts. Many of those who made it in time, were later important figures in Norwegian resistance movement.
As a Norwegian I can confirm that a LOT of us will take up arms to defend Finland, no matter what! Whether they join NATO or not, we would fight for them. Because we see them as a sibling, if someone attacks your family you make them bleed!
I completed my mandatory conscription service in March 2020. Two years later, i volunteered for re-enlistment following the Russian invasion of Ukraine on 24th of February 2022. Ive since then partaken in Military rehearsals and have taken upon myself to attend courses both in civilian life and the ones hosted by the Military. If it should come to it, that an invasion would take place during my lifetime, i will not hesitate to take up arms to defend my home, family, friends, country and my freedom. Whether or not it comes with the help of Nato, doesnt affect my judgement. Ive made the decision to stand my ground if need be. It is my constitutional right to have the honor to die standing up, rather than continue living life on my knees. Freedom and Liberty are non-negotiable.
As a Nigerian living in Finland,hey Russia bring it on,we Africans in finland will fight till death,Finland has given us alot,and we will give back to Finland,we are waiting.
@@ronaldhonore5730 you should read a bit about Gaddafi. Just to jog some memory why NATO was there and with how many countries. Cold statistics on NATOs side I admit, but considering the "opposing force" being tge kind of guy they were... My point is; NATO and their actions were something called "lesser evil" in this case.
I spent some time in Finland, got to know the people and their culture. I honestly believe that if Putin attempted another invasion, Russia would get seriously fucked up. Finns don't mess about and they're tough. Imagine a fully trained, modern, western army of up to 500,000 with a Ukrainian tenacity. Kunnia Suomelle!
@kevin Smith......it's more than that. Ukraine is embarrassing Russia without any real air power. Finland has a much better air force than Ukraine. If NATO ever gets involved Russia is in real trouble. Russian armor won't even get over the border against NATO air power. Those long convoys would be smashed.
@@user-js5sh7rb8v FOr some reason, people have this idea that if russia were to "invade" finland it would do so on the ground... why? russians have no ties to finland citizen.. they would just bomb them... alot
Russia is the kind of friend that says to you "If you be friend with them, then I'll make sure you REGRET it." Then acts shocked when you get better friends.
I'd say that Russian friendship includes 'you will do this - OR ELSE' - extortion, which they then like to mask with neutrality and peaceful ideals - so that you will remain on the leash. At least that is how it used to work during Soviet Russian era - and Putin seems to miss that time a bit too much.
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I can answer this very quickly. Finland joins Nato, invasion avoided. Russia has proven that it doesn't care about neutrality, agreements nor territorial borders. The only way to avoid being bullied by a dumb bully, is to be strong enough to not be bullied.
But Russia doesn't care of Finland. In ukraine they can get lots oil gas, coal and food, but in Finland there's only useless forest for Russia which they already have
@@Juho221 Finland is the European energyreserve of the atomic age. We have more uranium than europe needs for the next 150.000 years. We have fresh water more than the europe could use. And we have rare earth minerals and metals that are needed for the modern semiconductor industry aplenty. In short, Finland is the mining superpower of europe that has not yet materialized.
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I’d love to see a journalist ask Putin: “President Putin, given that you have argued that the Russian invasion of Ukraine was justified because Ukraine has historically been part of Russia, could you tell us when Russia plans to return to the Finns the 11% of Finland seized by Russia during WWII?”
Maybe they could trade, Russia gets the donbas, Finland gets its 11% back, everyone "happy" In al seriousness, the fighting over the relative small amounts of land can not be worth it.
Finland-Russia border is already housing 200 000 people, 6 feet below, all from Soviet Union. They've been there for about 80 years without complains so my guess is that they are enjoying their stay. If Putin wants, we can always accomodate more room for extra guests. We also have few hundred thousand people ready and trained to welcome them, so customer service is not going to be an issue. Tervetuloa.
And Russia have one RS-Sarmant for you too.It's Maximum speed is 25.560km/h so calculate how long it will take him to get to you, and currently there is no anti-aircraft system that can shoot down a missile flying faster than 4000 km/h
Its not only about protecting Finland. Finland has a great military. But what about the Baltic countries? Finland has a great relations with Estonia for example. I currently live in a country in the middle of the Europe, so we do not have to be afraid of Russian attack on us, because we do not share a border. But if we did not agree to protect the Baltic countries and Poland, Russia would have already invaded them. EU is mostly made from small countries, we are no superpowers, but together we are strong and can defend our values and have economical prosperity and peace.
Most European countries are not small. Most have large populations and huge GDP. We have a large army here in Poland, so in dangerous situation we will only count on the help of the US and UK.
Russian attack on any NATO member will result in nuke war in days if not hours, for even insane Putin will figure it out zero chance to win a non nuke war vs NATO.
I'm a croat born and raised in Germany. I was shocked to witness a war in my country, Croatia and now again...in 21st century to see such a massacre in Ukraine where 10 mil. people are displaced and many thousands are being killed, whole cities destroyed. Unfortunately, all this caused by Russian army. I was few times in Helsinki, Espoo and admire your beutiful country which is so different compared to Croatia but on the other hand we have much in common: we love our homeland, we are proud people, we strive to be independant, we love democracy and freedom. In last 80 years Finnland has done great achievements in protecting their lovely nature, creating the world's best design, achievements in human rights, economy, world's best education system. With such a heritage and known Finnish values I am sure that Finland will again wisely decide what's in their best interest ( together with Sweden). You have our fully support from Croatia. Olen oppinut paljon, kittos. 🇭🇷♥️🇫🇮
I'm a Finnish person myself, and I have from the very moment Russia started rattling its saber against Finland that now would be the time to join the NATO. The only real consequences they could impose right now are economic ones, as they are preoccupied with killing Ukrainian civvies and could not realistically attack Finland. And so, between being threatened by Kremlin on a semi-weekly basis and seeing what happened to other countries attempting to remain neutral (although not a part of the EU), I believe that NATO membership's gotta be now or never. Although what I said might sound like it's coming straight out of Langley, VA, I assure you that they are not devised by any Bioluminescent organisms employed by the CIA.
Russia could see Finland joining Nato so important matter that they could raise couple million men army and start attacking, so it does not matter where their current armies are they can still make couple millions more. Question is will they do it?
@@freezedeve3119 I do not believe they could raise a couple million men and start attacking. That is a tremendous logistical undertaking, some ten times larger than the one Russia is currently having trouble with in Ukraine. Couple that with the fact that the Eastern Finnish countryside is difficult to traverse, made up mostly of forest, the very vulnerable 20-mile columns in Ukraine would be blushing at the sight of the entirety of Russian military incompetence laid bare before their eyes. All this obviously sprinkled with abandoned tanks being town away by local Valmet tractors.
@@freezedeve3119 They are already having problems supplying their current forces and are experiencing crippling low moral. Millions of concripts would have even more less moral.
The latest support polls for NATO in Finland are at 68%. It's pretty obvious to us that NATO is the only way forward and it would be great to have Sweden join at the same time, like we did with EU membership. Sweden & Finland have a long joint history together and Swedes (together with Estonians) are considered the closest allies in every way possible.
@@Doorisessa It was a MTV / Corefiner poll, published on 11th of April 2022 (MTV is a major news channel in Finland). 68% supported joining NATO, 12% were against, 20% did not have an opinion.
Hope the lady in power decides otherwise (but unlikely). NATO is an aggressive and violent organisation. They leave blood and ruins behind (Yugoslavia, Libya, etc)
The only way forward is the way you have been dealing with NATO and Russia for so many years of peaceful relationships and good trading partnerships. That is the only way forward, to stay neutral and keep diplomacy do its thing.
Even though us in the US are split on many issues it’s about 95% in solidarity of wanting Ukraine to be free from Putin’s dictatorship and forced rule, you don’t deserve the horrors you are experiencing and in America nothing is cut off we have access to everything and it makes me sick everyday to see the atrocities in Ukraine. Peace and Love to all affected. Honestly I send peace and love to all the sane citizens of Russia that don’t support this nonsense either. Putin is a flat dictator and has forced the world turn take everything away from Russia to cripple Putin which sucks because normal citizens who don’t deserve it are unfortunately punished.
Ukraine pretends to be a democracy. Zelensky closed opposition channels and jailed his political rival, all before war. He passed the law that forbade speaking Russian at work, and that's in Russian speaking regions. Ukrainian culture has involved nationalist agenda for years. I mean, no one seems to care now
One of the former billionaires in Russia that was exiled basically stated in an interview, or practically every interview that he's on now, that Putin is nothing more than a bully and cannot really understand any sort of diplomatic intentions. He only responds to force and strength. So technically speaking if Finland and Sweden want to avoid conflicts with Russia militarily all they have to do is actually join NATO and Russia will never dare touch them. Same thing for every other country in the world that wants to avoid a Russian aggression with a military invasion
Exactly. Russia and through putin is projecting what will stop them. Dont join nato means join nato. Like thing one and two from cat in the hat, opposite is true.
But how do countries avoid constant invasions and mass murders from the US/UK and NATO? Ofcourse, saying anything against the west must make me a russian bot, or supporter, but I am curious how do we prevent US and UK from killing 1.1 million Iraqis, over 1 million Vietnamese, destroying Lybia, Syria, Laos, Cambodia, Afghanistan and dozens of other nations they ruined in the past 8 decades?
Russia attacking Finland - even without NATO backing - would result in its army being sent home in small pieces. Simo Haya was the most exceptional sniper, but he wasn't exceptional as a Finn. They look, sound, and act like very nice people - and they are - until you invade their country.
They have the largest artillery in Europe with an armed force just as technologically sound as the UK or Germany. The Finnish landscape would be hellish for the Russians as they'd have to move through deep valleys and forests, perfect for artillery ranging and full-scale ambushes. Not to mention every bridge and road could be easily and quickly blown up, making it that much harder to move across. All aircraft the Russians have would easily be taken out by advanced air-to-air systems, of which they have a huge amount. The only way they could realistically defeat the Finns would be via nukes.
A russian attack on Finland would be very costly. There would be a huge Scandinavian solidarity. Sweden with its strong military industry and Norway with its oil and money would build up a massive support system.
As a Swede I can say this. I will lay down my life protecting any and all Nordic country from military aggression. We are brothers and sisters now and always.
"The Finns think that if Putin can slaughter his sisters, brothers and cousins in Ukraine, as he is doing now, then there is nothing stopping him from doing it in Finland." Alexander Stubb
There are a few differences between Ukraine and Finland which means Russia will never succeed with a land attack. First of all they are pretty bad at it as it has shown over and over again, the regions that they have attacked in Ukraine are basically flatlands, any uneven terrain and they get their teeth kicked in. Terrain in eastern finnish border is a whole other story, the few roads that lead into the country are carved out of tundra, mud and extremely thick forest. Second is that just like in the Winter War, this is what Finland has been training for for since WWII, it's the only thing they been training for while Russians have been training for defense only. Also EU Mutual Defense clause means any and all EU-members can freely come into Finland and defend it whenever they want, one thing we know is that there are a lot of fingers on the trigger in EU right now waiting to squeeze. Basically the threats have lost their effect after a decade of throwing them around and people are getting sick of them.
Land attack aimed to avoid civilian casualties in Ukraine. Now ask why would Russia try to save civilians in Finland, if they can just annihilate you by bombing?
@@Powerofriend lol, keep thinking that, there is a reason why most people are nervous about this whole thing. Nuclear missile without nuclear warheads can still travel just as fast and hit the same targets. So yes, they can "just bomb it" if they really want to
As a finnish person i can say that sooooo many finnish people would fight for our country. Even many young people are so ready to fight if we would ever go to war. We are proud to be finnish🇫🇮
As a grandson of a Winter war veteran, who was serving and fighting for his life on the toughest front in Karelia during 1939-40, it shatters me when I think of how we never learn from wars and the absolute HORROR it brings to humanity. Finland was in a very desperate situation barely 80 years ago, learning from both history books and personal stories of veterans, it would seem an alien thing, like a thing of the past to think about it nowadays. But now we're currently(and have been for a long time) living in a world where dictatorships thrive once more at the cost of its denizens, held under tight control. We're living through another terrible chapter that should never have rhymed or repeated in modern times. I dearly hope Finland and all other nations will never see the light of day when their country is in a state of war, even if our army has always been prepared for the worst. It feels hopeless knowing that there's nothing you can concretely do as an individual to change the course of history, but hopefully as a collective, we can change for the better. Whether you're Russian or Ukrainian, I hope you can make a difference. As small, as big as it may be, a change for better. May all Ukrainians hold out and survive against absolute tyranny. Slava Ukraini!
Yes, Finland was learning 80 years how to join the NATO Fourth Reich. Now start preparing for war. You can see how NATO Fourth Reich has been preparing Ukraine for war Iin 7 years and it is not certain that it has prepared it well enough.
"the absolute HORROR it brings to humanity" .... Very true. Most of us do not realize the horrors. "living in a world where dictatorships thrive once more at the cost of its denizens" .... How does one prevent this? I don't think you do. America has tried but then is accused of meddling and hegemony, whether that's a correct assessment or not.
Hi, a Finn here 160km from the Russian border (Kajaani). We are 99% sure to join NATO in the next weeks. Every politician against NATO now has suffered a political suicide. We also have the best self defense will in the whole Europe if not the world. Also we are not defensless without NATO, in a country of 5,5 million we have an army of 280k men, also 870k in reserve. Something to think about.
Can you blame them, with Russia already invading another country on their border, there is 0 reason to try to play neutral with the guy with the pocket knife on the train.
Finland is a land of swamps lakes and dense forests. Not a place for the armor centric doctrine of the Russian military. The land is populated by a people with a proud history of defending their homeland. As the Russian army is proving itself to be a Potemkin force in Ukraine, the remnants of the Russian army that escape the wrath of Ukraine will roll into Finland and never return. Kunniaa Suomi! 🇫🇮 🇺🇸
Good luck for the low morale Russian troops trying to come to our forests, they can once again learn what it means for the forest to tell them "Kuole ryssä".
im finnish and work in geriatric care. it breaks my heart to see how scared and anxious my patients who lived through our last war are about this whole situation. so many of them cry to me and say they really thought they would only have to go through one war in their life times… whether or not russia ever attacks finland again, one thing is clear: we all fucking hate putin.
The Russian army easily penetrated the Mannerheim line. The result is that the Finns lost that war in a few days, but everyone is told that they inflicted heavy losses on the Russians (Fake).
Middle vague block country. 50's would count as eastern block to some degree, no marshall aid etc. Finland was an inbetween country between west and east in cold war, being dictated by both sides who finland could trade with and what, but finland did still trade with both. For examples see computers and the deep sea submarines, the subs cia said were ok to sell to ussr/russia because they thought finland couldn't do them, but finland could and then they put a stop to that(why ussr didn't build them themselves was that they lacked the proper steel metallurgy). Finland also sold cranes to soviet block etc, which has a bunch of interesting stories about it that they couldn't actually get to one base they sold a crane to so had to instruct soviets on how to erect it and followed it getting erected from, get this, western satellite images(the cranes in question were big ass shipyard cranes which for again for some reason ussr couldn't provide themselves)
@@lasskinn474 Do you know how much other western countries have been trading with Soviet-Russia? Finland is a very western and Nordic country. 75% of forests are owned by private sectors. Also properties. Finland has a free market economy. Finland has got percentually more small private businesses than US. Finland has got all the freedoms in the world. Forinstance the best freedom of press. The best freedom of religion. The best freedom of speech. You can google about it. Finland is economically, politically, geographically and religiously a Nordic country and a member of Nordic council. .
@@blackcoffeebeans6100 depends what year you look at. like said no marshall aid due to pressure, ussr had big power in finnish politics to the point where people like kekkonen could use fear of it - and they could affect finnish politics directly and so forth. even freedom of the press was so-so in some years. and at times prominent politicians were just openly ussr fanboy communists too seeing czechoslovakia '68 as necessary for protecting workers rise and all other kinds of bull like that. and no there's not other western countries just wouldn't flat out sell ussr some stuff that finland sold and finland sold what it could if not told by the west to not sell(and also bought ussr jets and tanks, but also swedish jets). of course post ussr falling finlands been strictly "western", but even then it took russia attacking ukraine for finland to apply for nato due to russian influence on finnish politics via fear - so heavy was the legacy of ussr and russian influence on finnish politics - to the point where russian high ranking politicians were talking about the issue as if it wasn't our decision to make! but anyway saying that finland was strictly western after ww2 is not really being honest and ignores the main issue which is THAT THE CENTER PARTY WILL BETRAY EVERYONE ALWAYS, no matter if you're right or left wing they find a way.
Thanks deadward, we certainly appreciate Russians like you. We don't have anything against you, it's only that we want to secure our integrity and independence. That is why we are applying Nato. We would have liked to continue business as it was, but Putins policy too irrational for our safety.
@@urbaraskpraetor3316 You don't kill so many people without having mental issues. Every normal person in a similar role or situation has second thoughts. Furthermore, snipers see every person they kill more than any other combatant.
@@the11382 Snipers are routinely mentally examined by the US Army because they have such a low occurrence of PTSD. The military wants to know why so they can gain insight to help other people in the military to cope.
For God's sake, I'm a Russian I've never heard of the Baltic states or things like Finland etc. I basically don't know where Finland is on a map, don't mess with your luck, remember that Vietnam, which was basically unarmed, drenched NATO in a pool of bl0d, so don't trust too much
@@7yslater NATO had nothing to do with Vietnam, that was the USAs war after France left. Even the UK declined to help the Americans there and they usually ask how high when the USA tells them to jump.
"Russia didn't take long to mobilize their own ground troops along their border with Ukraine before a heavy invasion." While true, Russia did build a network chain leading down to the border since 2014 as per satellite tracking. This recent invasion has been long coming.
That is probably most fucked up preparing what i see right now. In silence Finland join Nato and same time prepare to that Russia try to make some problems to that. Good think is that Russia is out of Soldiers. Atleast below the ground. Under the ground plenty.
The Fins are legends and the Russians fear and respect them because off their performance and heroism during the second world war.I know an ex captain in the Finnish special forces and he told me about their maneuvers in the area along the border: lots of heavy driving of course but jokes aside some very impressive military tactics and knowledge.
@@kingnothing007 the Winter War in 1939 was started by Russians, thanks to the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact when Russia was a good pal with nazi Germany. The Continuation War 1941-1944 was Finnish attempt to regain the losses from the Wintrr War. And yes, in the continuation war we received aid from Germany because no other country would help us.
@@kingnothing007 Nazi Germany was not an ally of Finland but in fact an ally of the USSR when the Red Army invaded Finland in the Winter War. Germany imposed a naval blockade on Finland in support of the USSR at the time.
Commander of AzovꑭRegiment elite forces defending Ukraine🇺🇦 from moskal vatniks, Lt. Col. Denys Prokopenko is grandson of Finnish🇫🇮Karelian Winter War veteran-grandparents lost whole family and homeland to Stalin's thievery. He even wears Karelian national Nordic cross flag patch on uniform-says Bolschevik☭Putin's invasion continues continuation war his grandfather fought against Kremlin Sovok occupation…next front will be in Finland-in Viipuri and beyond… All Karelia will be liberated from ryssät occupaton, and Ingria too, to connect by land to Estonia, and Finnic federation wll be form to prevent ruski return. Suur-Suomi will rise from ashes (among many free states and returned territories when the Bolschevik Putin regime in Moscow collapses).
If Russia were to try an invasion of Finland from that base up north, they'd be going into a very sparsely populated region. The capital city, Helsinki, is nearly 500 miles away. Their logistics would be extremely hard--pressed to supply the invasion force while it was still in Russia and not under attack. As they've learned in Ukraine, they'd never be able to maintain it on a 500 mile march through hostile territory, and there's simply nothing worth grabbing in the vicinity of that border crossing point. There are virtually no other bases in that part of Russia to augment a buildup and further logistic support either. Russia has far more densely-clustered bases to the south, very near Helsinki. If they decided to attack, they'd do it there.
There are lots of military bases and assets scattered all across the country. Some are big bases, others are small secret caches. Russia would need to invade the whole country if they want to have any effect and stop insurgencies, not just encircle Helsinki.
@@gordonski9310 I think he mean road or train network. Anyway their supplies wouldn't last because of Finland not being flatland and their convoy would be attacked by hidden soldiers.
@@Boomkokogamez Actually the worst mistake Russia could do is to assemble a convoy similar to what they did north of Kiev. That convoy would be decimated in it's entirety. Finland has very capable air force and accurate long range artillery, complimented with MLRS systems. Russia wouldn't have anything even resembling an air superiority over Finland either, so yea. There's just no point in Russia invading Finland. It would be a horrible blood bath for Russian conscripts.
@@gordonski9310 Yes. And do u guess what kind of artillery they have targeted there few places where u come in. U can not leave roads. Thats a main problem. Forest are too thick, Lakes are making it impossible in winter or summer. And terrain is not flat. And yes there are several big bridges to go on. I said Russian troops could come in like 5km and no more. Its important to let them come atleast somepoint in our area. Easier to destroy in certain places.
@@kingnothing007 dude, the British are training together with the Finnish army in Finland right now. They brought British main battle tanks with them to Finland for that purpose just weeks ago.
@@vertie2090 untrue, all NATO personnel aren't in Finland anymore. They were and it was mostly Americans. Finland is training in Norway... keep up to date with the news... at least you'll know when to evacuate
After what has happend in Ukraine, it is not a question IF Sweden and Finland should join, it’s a question of WHEN. Together we stand strong against the big bully Russia, which will continue to suffer huge losses and soon must be forced to return beaten and empty handed
I think it will be all signed by the autumn at the latest to be honest, which can only be a good thing for both countries. I wouldn't be surprised if Moldova starts seriously thinking about signing up to NATO soon too
@@stevedimmock930 Moldova and Georgia have low chances of joining NATO. Likewise, Moldova is more protected since the sinking of the MOSKVA. Without the Moskva it would be difficult for Odessa to fall. If Odessa does not fall, they do not reach Moldova. Pro-Russian militiamen from Transnitia are dying in Ukraine, they were recruited by Putin.
I honestly thought Putin wouldn’t invade Ukraine originally cause he had figured by doing so, this would push the Finns and Swedes into NATO. So Putin had more to lose then gain from a security point of view. Now that Putin went through with Ukraine, all bets are off. He gambled and the house won, to bad so sad. Finns and Swedes joining NATO is the best course of action now. It’s clear if you are not part of NATO, you’re free gain.
Putin is desperate to secure his legacy. By killing any Ukrainians and destroying their lives if they resist. The russian civilians in many cases already lost the courage they had in 1991 stopping a military coup. He was trying to intimidate ukraine the same way. Now they are allegedly arresting opposition ukrainians. Dispicable, russians need to stop this war if they dont want to sink with putin. Please grow a backbone russians, come back out on the streets. Passive resistance doesnt work against putin...and fsb...shame on supporting putin, your screwing your country. World ignored it when russia destroyed chechnyas cities and killed 10s of thousands of civilians there, but not anymore.
I personally think this is more about consolidating power against the West. If they happen to win Ukrainian neutrality, all the better. But solidifying all of Europe as an American 4th reich colony isn't a big threat when they've solidified the 70% of the rest of the world's population.
I am from Ukraine and someone told me that Finland's history is similar to us, so I'm here (maybe because all our troubles are from our common neighbour). I wish I knew about you earlier. Hope I could visit Finland one day❤️
I think we need to realize that Russia's greatest military prowess were mainly defensive in nature. When Russians are on the attack, they often struggle due to poor logistics and a lack of coordination.
@@UhYeahWhateverDude Nukes they cannot use, because it would cause Russia to fight about 50countries at once. Not only NATO, also countries like India would take huge offence at the use of nukes. The moment they use a single nuke is the moment Russia will be destroyed and never recover again. China wouldn't save them, because China wants to keep existing along with potential trade partners.
It wasn't Russia at the time of WW2 but Soviet Union. Millions soldiers fight for Red Army were from other Socialist Republics not modern russian territory. It's annoying that people keep saying that Russia 'won'....without support of other Republics, Nazi would have burn St Petersburg and Moscow to the ground. Russia alone isn't that strong. It took them years and two wars to submit Chechnya, just a small region. I'm praying that Ukraine will win this war and Russians will redimensionate their ego once for all.
I would like to add a quote by our president when asked about the current situation and wether or he is scared of Russia: "I'm not scared, and Finns are not scared but surely we are fully awake."
As a American. I just wanted to say that I support whatever decision Finland and Sweden makes. I have no doubt the governments will do what they feel is best for their people. /cheers.
In recent polls around 65-70% of people supoort NATO membership and most of the parliament supports it so it's only a matter of time when Finland will actually join
@@jari2018 En taida tota logiikkaa ymmärtää kun kyllä tää on ihan koko kansan tahto. En itse ollut NATO innokas, mutta en kyllä halua talvisota tilannetta, että jäädään yksin katselee Putlerin riehuntaa jos se tulee yli rajan.
What Russian goverment is saying in public and unofficial versions are completely diffenrent. Russia should remember, what happened in Helsinki circa 1903, to certain Mr. Bobrikov... *grin* 🙂
Ukraine wasn't neutral at all. They broke all ties with Russia and boykotted almost all russian trade. They wanted to join NATO which Russia didn't like to have at their border.
@@moai4110 the warsaw pact was dissolved on the condition that nato would stop expansion in the east after Germany joined it, did it stop? no, it ended up reaching all the way to russia's borders with the inclusion of previous ussr members as well, there were many ways for nato to stop this invasion from happening at all, but they stood back and watched ukraine burn
@@moai4110 i am not saying what russia did was right or justified in any way, it can never be, but they are not doing it without reason and nato had be provoking by not honoring the deal for years, putin had questioned this in 2007 as well to which US denied the deal despite having proofs, their own ministers and scholars had called the US government out multiple times, they didn't do it. this is the result. nato had ways to stop this situation from even arising yet didn't. they are not innocent either
I like how(not) Russia just decides what other sovereign nations should and shouldn't do. Can you imagine if Finland started telling Russia what alliances it could and couldn't make with other countries. Nothing but bullies, Thats why NATO exists.
Well, hate to break your bubble but that's pretty much what NATO and USA, UK too, does; dictate what sovereign nations can or cannot do. The difference is that's your side hence you see your side's actions as justified.
@@Mrityormokshiya But still nations clamour to join EU/NATO, and still Russia can’t stop it’s most capable citizens from migrating west. When the truth breaks down in the media, watch people’s natural migratory and democratic tendencies to find out what’s real. No functional, healthy person with transferable skills and self-esteem wants to live in Putin’s toilet-nation, and no productive, happy and (relatively) free country wants anything to do with Russia other than to use it as a gas station. Pretty much every attempt to survey the global population has found that Finland and it’s neighbours are the happiest nations in the planet, and they’re not going to give that up to get sucked into Putin’s misery-bubble by force.
Putin is single-handedly trying to destroy the whole world. One bullet would solve all of our problems, but no one in Russia seems to have the balls to fire that bullet.
@@Nazar_Melnyk If Putin uses nuclear on Ukraina or countries that help it, chinese troops be in Vladivostok no time I guess, as probably Moskva has been nuked already by then.
@@turkoositerapsidi that's an interesting situation, but unfortunately, it could not play out like that. Russia separates use of "strategical" and "tactical" nuclear weapons. Russia haven't talked about strategicals yet. All of the noise is about tacticals, which Russia does not perceive as a "doom day weapon": russian laws allow them to use those on battlefield. I don't think, that the other nuclear states would want to end the world in case of use of tacticals, but I hope, that the response would be devastating for Russia. Like declaring collective "special antinuclear antiterrorist operation"
Well they already have one with the EU and France, provided Marine Le Pen doesn't become the next French president cause she will definitely not care, she even wants to be friends with Putin...
Hi, I'm from the future. This war is well known today, and the world is grateful to Putin, who is recognized as a genius and a visionary. He managed to unite the EU and pushed more Nations to join Nato, he allowed many other countries to develop turning into commercial partners for those EU nations looking for new sources for oil and gas. Also, once the war finished, the Ukraine have been rebuilt and finally became part of the EU, going from a nation most people didn't know where it was on a map to a developed European country everyone loves to visit. We, as European, achieved so much thanks to Putin and his dumb choices. He did this for us. And for Russia, which is now an open, modern country led by young leaders, after the revolution where Putin has been killed.
I am not sure they will be *a* Russia afterwards. There might very well be many broken pieces, some civilized, some run by warlords. It will be interesting times…
One thing that has definitely changed is the EU’s foreign policy coordination. We know that the member states don’t entirely agree, but they stick to their common decisions. Whether you hear it from Charles Michel, Ursula von der Leyen, Josep Borrell… or Macron or Scholz, the message is the same. That was unthinkable two months ago. One more conflict like this, and the EU will have turned into a real super power instead of just being a trading cartel. We *will* have a common foreign policy and we *will* have a common military and we *will* have EU nukes and not just French nukes.
It sounds funny, because once Russia gave independence to Finland and its territory. The invasion of the USSR in Finland was because of the complicity of Finland Nazi Germany in 1941, Finland had invaded Russia. You can't build a picture of the world without seeing the big picture. The United States and the Soviet Union are almost identically named. There were also NATO alliances and the Warsaw Pact. Imagine that the United States is falling apart in 1991, and Texas, California, Alabama, Alabama (it's like Estonia or Lithuania) joins the Warsaw Pact, places armed forces and builds bases, America is indignant, but does nothing. Texas is applying to join the Warsaw Pact, and there is already a problem, it's already scary, isn't it, because Texas for the United States is like Ukraine for Russia. You don't understand enough history to understand the processes. And who is the aggressor here can be seen on the world map by the NATO alliance, and not from the screens of CNN and BBC
Well, to comment the video's content. What russia actually might think if they would decide to invade finland what ever the reason. 1. Terrain. Finland is mostly forest. Finnish military is trained operating in guerilla type operation in forests. 2. Finland has the one of the biggest (if not the biggest) trained army reserve in europe 3. Finnish military equipment is quite modern. It doesn't rely anymore to russian era equipment like for example ukraina. 4. Finlands military training is concidered very good in international standars. Professional soldiers in finnish military are highly regarded. 5. Finnish artillery is one of the biggest (if not the biggest) in europe The deterrance of finnish defence is there and working just fine.
@@lunatic_nebula9542 as Finnish service men myself i can confirm of 280 000 active troops + 900 000 trained reserves Out of 5.7million people also Every farm House family has about 1-5 ww2 leftover weapons/hunting rifles. Also Every City block has bomb shelters. Most important we Have motivation to stand For Our fatherland as did Our great Grand fathers and mothers once! SLAVA FINLANDIA SLAVA UKRAINE!
@@Tonyholmsify more like ~10 000 active troops considering staff/ SOF / and conscription readiness units. You are mistaking 280 000 with the wartime strength,
You are forgeting the most important weapon in finnish defense system: Perkele Broom Its all fun and games, until bombs start falling and destroying everything. See what is happening in Ukraine?
I served my conscription in artillery many many years ago, but with few hour retraining I could still operate/aim both artillery cannons I used and probably others too. And I've seen some of the depos middle of nowhere with hundreds cannons fully maintained and operational back in the day. I bet there are literally hundreds if not thousands of these depos well hidden. I can only imagine what it is nowadays. I bet there are spare cannons to each crew and there are many generation of artillery crews in reserves.
Finland is also very heavily armed and well equipped, for example its artillery is the largest in the Western Europe and total reserve is almost 1M. Russia would need to deal with long range stealth cruise missiles, F-35 fighter jets (currently replacing F/A-18) and all kinds of other nasty things, i.e. attack would be way too costly for them and I doubt the Russian soldiers and citizens would be very motivated to wage war.
@@7yslater We are not afraid. But we consider joining NATO, because Russia is apparently so bad at making decisions that it's no longer a guarantee that they would stay away from Finland. Being in NATO would more than likely prevent the conflict, since Finland definitely isn't worth starting a war with NATO. Simply put, we aren't worried about surviving war with Russia, we are trying to avoid it. And if you seriously fucking think about asking "why would we want to avoid a war with Russia then", then I would very kindly ask you to take your ignorant head out of your asshole. Obviously we don't want a war, even if we are confident we would deal ten times the casualties to the opponent and keep our independence. Life is not Call of Duty. Thousands of people would still lose their homes, a lot of our people would still die even if ten enemies fell for one Finn. We still would not *gain* anything out of it.
@@shgalagalaa like German reliance on Russian fuel, a matter of historical convenience. Russia is not a good and trustworthy partner but a voracious enemy.
@@claesvanoldenphatt9972 Your argument was that there is no down side to weakening relations with russia. I pointed out that there are large economic downsides to it and now you're pivoting to a cost benefit analysis talking point.
Putin whines about NATO expansion,then invades a country next door and makes the other countries worry and ask to join NATO, you couldnt make this up lol
Did you know that Ukraine wanted to join NATO in 2008? (you at least know why?) ... anyway since then Russia has been trying to keep NATO (the US) away from it's borders by peacefull talks but the ukrainians refused to listen ... the only reason Finland has peace today is because not having US troops and missiles next to the Russian border ... afther they join NATO the world will be more close to war ....😒
It should be blindingly obvious to everyone that the invasion of Ukraine was caused not by the threat of joining NATO, but by the fact that they failed to join NATO. I wish the Fins great speed in joining NATO to save themselves from similar bloodshed.
I'm Finnish, I do not know what is better, to join or not to join. we would of course be safer if we joined but what happens in the time it takes to apply?
If an army ever invades finland, their soldiers can be immediately buried in a mountain of used Nokia phones from the 90s. It only takes one press of a button to open the dikes.
While Finland would be a good ally in NATO, as well as they are in EU, it's a decision that is entirely up to the Finnish people. And that is the most important part.
While Finland has to set their own security as first priority, as a free and democratic country it has a moral obligation to send a clear signal against fascist aggression and crimes against humanity. Joining NATO, would be such a signal.
@@pikkuporsas If you accept such stereotypes, bad and good guys, then I have nothing to tell you. There are smart people in Finland who will measure and think. Since 2014, the world is no longer unipolar. Greetings from Serbia and the people of Finland.
My deep respect for the proud and brave nation of Finland. Crazy autocrat Putin should know that messing with the country of Simo Häyhä might not be the smartest idea...
The fact that your youtube name is partisan makes this really ironic...But yeah, as a Finn I agree, there's some tough motherfuckers in this country alright...
Finland was never an eastern bloc country. Never a part of Soviet union. Finland is a Nordic and western country. The Nordic countries are: Finland🇫🇮Sweden 🇸🇪 Norway 🇸🇯 Denmark 🇩🇰 and Iceland 🇮🇸. They are all independent and free countries and they are members of Nordic council. All of them are prosperous countries with high standard of living.
Be finland Get independence by Russia Use independence comfortably until the second world war and keep harassing sweden Gets nuked for beeing a shitty US intelligence base next to the shithole estonia. Lol nordics never learn
