How Food is Damaging the Environment and Ways to Fix It | George Monbiot | The Proof Podcast EP 247

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In Episode #247, I'm joined by writer and environmental activist George Monbiot to critically examine the role of our food systems.
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On The Proof, we are consistently working towards building a comprehensive picture of human well-being. And while that relates directly to nutrition and exercise, we also need to take a step back to examine the larger implications of our food systems - for the longevity of both humans and the planet we call home. In this episode, George Monbiot joins me for a brilliant follow up on last week's episode on how our food system was shaped, taking a deep dive into how this food system is harming the planet.
George Monbiot is an author, Guardian columnist and environmental activist. He has published multiple best-selling books, and has worked with the likes of Greta Thunberg and Ewan McLennan on his activism journey, producing a number of viral videos that have been viewed hundreds of millions of times. He was awarded the UNEP Global 500 in 1995 and the Orwell Prize for journalism in 2022.
In this episode, we examine exactly why food is so important when it comes to planetary health. George explains what soil and the human gut have in common, the problematic nature of animal agriculture, and why food systems are a political issue. We also cover how to drive change in global food systems, rewilding, and much more.
Specifically, we discuss:
00:00 Intro
03:39 George Monbiot on wildlife, farming, & global food systems
09:45 Plants & soil microbes: a remarkable connection
20:36 Soil bacterial diversity & the dangers of soil degradation
26:32 Profit over sustainability
35:00 The role of citizens in shaping the food system
46:29 Why is animal agriculture problematic?
58:25 Are we the complacent and the silent majority?
01:06:36 George Monbiot's alternative to farming
01:11:08 Outro
Having followed George's work for the past decade, it was incredible to hear his
perspective on these issues firsthand. His approach that blends science and
myth busting with human emotion is a truly powerful one, and I hope you find
value in this conversation.
Connect with George Monbiot:
- His book 'Regenesis' - www.penguinrandomhouse.com/bo...
- His website: www.monbiot.com/
- Twitter: / georgemonbiot
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@VeganGameChanger Год назад

That was freaking awesome. Incredible information and so many golden truth nuggets. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

@troywinter2456 Год назад

Loved it. Highly informative. Thank you Simon and George.

@ThingsYoudontwanttohear Год назад

The notion that tilling is found to be disruptive to the soil is hard to imagine until you see the soil as one big ecosystem/organism with a delicate grown structure. Tilling a field then looks more like making gaping wounds in the soil that will take time and resources to heal. It is a big paradigma shift to me.

@TenTempeh Год назад

This episode.. I couldn't let it be for watch it later. It has been a great episode, full of bright ideas and hope. Thanks Simon for your effort, we might get to that 25% of people threshold soon enough and change our system.

@darrelllf851 Год назад

WOW! That was fantastic. My first exposure the George Monbiot, what a gift he is to this world. So looking forward to the continuation of your conversation with George. In the meantime, I'll be getting his latest book and doing what I can to let go of the comfortable lies and embracing the uncomfortable truths of livestock farming. Very eye-opening indeed. As always, a great podcast - thanks Simon!

@YKKY Год назад

This inspired me to really take on my own garden this year and grow my own food. Don't grow lawns, grow food! I cannot wait, garden tomorrow :) Thank you Simon and George

@carinaekstrom1 Год назад

Simon, could you please make a short clip of the "Why is animal agriculture problematic" part? 13-25 minutes long? That would be really helpful for sharing. 🙂

@mikefuery7714 Год назад

Simon, you never disappoint and this interview with George was absolute gold. It was a discussion of laser-focussed commentary on the problems with which we are currently faced and of enormous value. Thank you for presenting it and for the calm voice of rationality that is your hallmark. A continuing discussion with George would be brilliant; I would also like to see you have a conversation with Prof. Yuval Noah Harari whose work compliments the observations in this episode on the power of money and story-telling, amongst other topics.

@davidmoser8901 Год назад

Greatest Episode ever, please keep the conversation going. In a future episode please discuss the topic of grazing animals being important for the production of new humus as farmers always say. No cows no new humus? And also please explore the possibility for farmed animals to keep on grazing without killing them for meat or steeling their milk or wool until they die of natural cause. Would that be a helpful practice or is it even better to bring back dear/wolves/bears and so on for example in central Europe? I heard for biodiversity it is also important to have grasland?

@trishkelly07 Год назад

The world needs more men like George & Simon!!!!

@brendafosmire6519 Год назад

This was an important addition to nutrition discussion. Thank you

@catrionahaston1420 Год назад

George Monbiot is a prophet and seer of our times. What a wonderful podcast!

@kst157 Год назад

I’m now totally sold and will never view soil and land and animal food in the same way. It has to stop via education and brave people able to communicate effectively the implications of our current trajectories for human life and our planet’s ability to sustain and rejuvenate itself. Ordered the book and looking forward to learning even more.

@gclaru7216 Год назад

Extremely powerful conversation! Thank you so much for this conversation

@freedomforestlife Год назад

Amazing interview - thank you both - defo going to be buying the book, it is exactly inline with what we practice as much as possible and confirms many of our thoughts 🙏✌🌿

@bowby7605 Год назад

This was amazing!! I'm always impressed when people with a platform use it to tackle the powers that be. We need all of the political change spoken about here in order to make the change we want to see

@trishstauble3461 Год назад

Thanks for hosting George Monbiot ! What a great analogy between soil and plant, and humans and our gut bacteria...two microbiomes which have decreased in variety because of industrial ag and food systems! Recent news stories have highlighted the ongoing drought in western states in the U.S. Cattle grazers were interviewed and they said they have needed to reduce herd sizes as a result. There's a crisis with a dwindling water supply from the Colorado River for several of those states. It's time to make those herd size reductions permanent ! Another wonderful, fact-filled interview. Thank you so much, Simon, for helping to educate and motivate us !

@davidtrongnguyen Год назад

This is one of the most fascinating and important topics you’ve covered so far Simon! George speaks so eloquently and in such a beautiful manner. I wish it was a 3 hour podcast 🥺 Thank you both 🌏🌱

@BarryAnderson Год назад

@@TheProofWithSimonHill Holistic Chef Barry Anderson has subscribed with the big bell to recieve your every RU-vid upload .

@ceciliahamilton5278 Год назад

Wonderful, riveting & much needed content and delivery. I ordered both your( latest ) book, an overdue decision as for Simon’s book. Thank you so much for helping to change the world , one podcast at a time 🙏

@jessicaschroeder4008 Год назад

Fabulous interview / episode. Please, please do a part two. So much more to cover and so many questions still to dig into. Great intro into the confluence of so many facets touched by what is good for both personal health and planetary health (including economics, politics, etc.) Can't wait to hear more!

@shannon4830 11 месяцев назад

Wow! George Monbiot might be my new favorite guest on your show. Thanks for having him on to share this important information!

@Mark-gy9xx Год назад

Love the range of guests you're getting Simon. I learnt a lot on this one. Thanks!

@KTD1713 Год назад

Honest commentary. Every farmer needs to listen to this! Our soil is a precious commodity.

@BarryAnderson Год назад

"Yes, correct our soil reflects the micro biome status of our immune system and all of this is derived from the soil for which B-12 is found and only organic compost can achieve this . Unfortunately the WAR WAGED AGAINST NATURE THE INSECT WORLD THAT POLLINATES FOODS AND FLOWERS IS DESTROYED WITH COLLATERAL DAMAGE THROUGH OUT THAT FILTERS DOWN TO EVERY HUMAN BEING ON EARTH AS REAL SCIENCE HAS BEEN ALREADY PROVEN THAT ALL LIFE IS SYSTEMIC BY DESIGN . BUT LIVING THIS WAY IS NOT PROFITABLE FOR GMO CHEMICAL WAR TIME POST INDUSTRIAL COMPLEXES . HUMANITY HAS BOUGHT INTO THIS JUNK SCIENCE HOOK LINE AND SINKER FOR DECADES NOW AND WHAT A TERRIBLE LEGACY HUMANITY IS LEAVING BEHIND AS THE OLD GOES OUT TO BE REPLACED BY MORE HUMANS THAT WILL BE CORPORATELY GROOMED TO CONTINUE THIS HORRIFIC CRIME WAGES AGAINST MOTHER NATURE THAT SYSTEMICALLY TRICKLES DOWN TO PEOPLE THAT ARE TOTALLY CLUELESS THAT THIS REPEATED POISONOUS EVENT IS DESTROYING HUMANITY IN A VERY CALCULATED WAY FOR MONEY PROFIT AND STOCK MARKET FINANCIAL RETURNS ONLY . SO WHAT DOES THIS MAKE US YOU MUST ASK YOUR SELF . WE LEARN NOTHING FROM THE WAY NATURE WORKS IN ALL OF OUR AROGANCE FOR FINANCIAL GAIN THAT ONLY BENEFITS THE EXTREME MINORITY OF THE WEALTH FEW REALLY AND AT WHAT COST TO THE INOCENT HUMANS THAT ARE HOLDING THE OTHER END OF THE SHORT END OF THE STICK ON MASS. " Holistic Chef Barry Anderson co founder of the Garden Villa Phuket Retirement for Vacation Wellness Organic Food Forest Garden Retreat of Phuket Thailand . PS What ever I say with my 40 years of independent research on our issues will mean nothing to them as they have their blinders on . Sad and so True today .

@TM-ko1lj Год назад

I actually sent this to a farmer I was discussing these sorts of things with on Instagram. I hope she watches it instead of staying in denial 🙏🏽

@TM-ko1lj Год назад

Fantastic. Thank you ❤ if anyone watches this and thinks we are all just making this up I think they’ll just never change. This is wonderful and informative.

@munkyfatt Год назад

Another great podcast! 💪 I actually like that it's not too long even though there was so much more to discuss. I feel like this is a good episode to share with skeptical friends too!

@seitanbeatsyourmeat666 Год назад

Listening to this on a podcast, but had to swing by to give it a thumbs up… what a great man, speaking the truth. We’re in a huge amount of trouble I know it’s not your usual guest “style”, but there’s a channel called Climate Town, and the guy’s a trip; he’s all over climate issues. If nothing else, give the channel a look, it’s pretty informative (and US centered since we’re most of the problem. Yay for oil lobbyists!)

@ThingsYoudontwanttohear Год назад

Climate town rules!🤩

@Equinox1.5 Год назад

Wonderful interview. Thank you so much, Simon and George. Very much looking forward to Part 2. As regards political apathy, I think one missing piece might be chronic brain fog in people of all ages, arising from inadvertently poor food and lifestyle "choices" (which are not choices at all for many) and/or environmental pollution. It can be hard even to read or to take an interest in the bigger issues of life when getting through the day is a struggle. Chronic brain fog can also cause feelings of fear and overwhelm, along with a lack of mental clarity. It might seem a bit left field but I think prioritising brain health with good whole-food plant-based nutrition, exercise, sleep, and all the other elements Dr Dean and Dr Ayesha Sherzai recommend, for example, could lead to a more politically engaged populace quite quickly as people emerge from the fear and apathy of the fog.

@theartofbellydance Год назад

A little clip of the statistics on why animal agriculture is problematic might go viral. It might help educate a lot of people.

@Lock8484 Год назад

Great video! Love all the information provided. Could you clarify more on soil with regard to degradation? I understand that pasture land may not be ideal for growing crops to feed humans once animals are phased out, but is the cropland able to support growing of other fruits and vegetables and legumes that used to be grown in the areas that were mainly for wheat/corn/soy?

@Lock8484 Год назад

And any additional references would be great to read through.

@bowby7605 Год назад

30:40 exactly! we must move towards a more democratic society and away from corporate capitalist driven governments if we want to survive

@DobrinWorld 5 месяцев назад

Thank you!

@arleenm7367 Год назад

Fascinating. This reminds me of Gaia Theory which suggests that the Earth is a living thing and we are all like it's "cells". Unfortunately humans have become like a cancer on the Earth.

@szikszaytamas4617 Год назад

Thank you, loved this!

@DanielleDeantv Год назад

Great episode

@janetraine4883 Год назад

I've never felt so depressed.

@prizzle9234 5 месяцев назад

ok, this is the most interesting conversation about dirt i've ever heard...sorry.....Soil

@PeterJohnston-uw4fm Год назад

If you liked this excellent talk then you can find a slightly different version here but with references, slides etc and further arguments about how animal agriculture is destroying the planet: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZpDjtbSWATk.html

@wyliehj Год назад

I don’t understand why holistic grazing is bad? It’s clear it can restore soil ecosystems when done in a way that mimics nature, so basically all grazing land can be “natural grassland restoration” Now obviously we shouldn’t be cutting down forests to make room for more range land, I agree that global meat consumption needs to come down but I think small scale homesteading operations should be encouraged. Raising chickens and pigs alongside no till plant farming and have them compliment each other is essential. We could never feed the world on plants alone and monocropping is what absolutely needs to end (and all factory farming too of course) I just fail to see why we shouldn’t be holistically grazing natural grassland. Especially factoring in the nutrient density of meat.

@manjarichatterji9349 8 месяцев назад

I am critical of industrial ag for all the reasons you list. Vandana Shiva says small farmers feed the world. Will the g7 nations be willing to eat from the small local non chemical, non gmo system?

@actyrrel Год назад

Land use is interesting. Love the Brits, but we kicked y'all to the curb for a reason. You can't comprehend that we have 10x land in the US only suitable for grazing than you have land. No forest will grow there. No crops grow there. "Rewilding" is something a city dweller would say. Lets rewild the cities first. no non-native species, no mowing or trimming, no insecticides or pesticides, reintroduce predators, save the bees. Clean up your own house first. Then a rancher in Montana or Florida will know you are serious. I drive 5.5 hours at 80mph just to see another state with mostly grass fed cattle, tree farms, and oranges along the way. What a waste to let it go.

@larrysiders1 10 месяцев назад

Soil Regeneration practices that are RECLAIMING degraded grazing lands and reversing Desertification.... REQUIRE Grazing animals. CO2 sequestration potential in Soil Regeneration could easily eliminate humanity's CO2 contributions. 25 Tons of CO2 per acre are easily achieved. Additionally, fertilizer use is massively reduced (often eliminated) as well as pesticides and herbicides. Water retention is increased to 6 to 12 inches of rainwater per hour (flood proofing ag lands - and drought proofing those fields). Grazing animals are CENTRAL to achieving these kinds of results. The meat products produced are far more nutritious than the current disgusting feedlot grain finished products.

@tonycollyweston6182 9 месяцев назад

Did you know that there is a limit to how much carbon can be absorbed by soils?

@ZennExile 6 месяцев назад

It's more. Absolutely more. Fossil fuel emissions are the little cousin footprints in the models compared to the billions of hectare of natural ecosystems that were dug up, gassed off, and have been routinely poisoned since. All of that carbon, all of that life, is missing from every climate model being used today and that has ever been used. That's thousands upon thousands of gigatons of carbon just missing from the data.

@paul_devos Год назад

This guy doesn't understand that Ruminants help the ecoystem of grasslands, it's a net zero return if they are grazing and moving around. Cattle help the "solar energy" food ecosystem for turning solar energy into food we can eat. Ruminant animals are like the most perfect EV material for food ecosystem ever. The great part of Ruminants is they can graze on land that is NON-tillable land that can't be used for grain farming or really any other food growing. Go to Kansas, Nebraska, Texas, etc. you will see this rocky land that could not be used for any other food source. I'd encourage this guy to check out the research... I'll just throw down some easier digestion stuff for now. There is a TON of Peer Reviewed Science in Labs at Top Animal Science Universities: - Colorado State University - Iowa State University - UC-Davis - Texas A&M University - Check out areas of the world, particularly Africa, and understand how Ruminants help re-green land and prevent desertification if properly handled. But simply put Cattle "up-cycle" grass (lignins) to the world's healthiest most nutrient dense food in the world. There is truly nothing like ruminants. So, YES, we need to use less land used for grains and less for growing vegetables -- should look more into hydroponics and people growing more of their own veggies at home. But that's another rabbit hole. But we should use MORE land for grasses and grazing utilizing ruminant animals. More, not less. # Ruminants Can Help Re-green Deserts, Prevent Desertification, Natural Fertilizer, Prevent Flooding - www.scientificamerican.com/article/can-livestock-grazing-stop-desertification/ - ourworld.unu.edu/en/reversing-desertification-with-livestock # Ruminants are Highly Efficient in Up-cycling inedible grasses into the most nutrient rich food in the world - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-BqmG2y4IeY8.html (timestamped, 5 min listen) - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RNrZmyUimkI.html (leftover cotton seeds, leftover shells from almond nuts, etc) - www.motherearthnews.com/homesteading-and-livestock/efficiency-of-cattle-grazing-ze0z1411zdeh/ - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zksTZCJ0eTw.html (Cattle and grasslands, protects microbes, stops soil erosion) - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mSgJy3kGdrc.html (Peer Reviewed studies)

@paul_devos Год назад

@@TheProofWithSimonHill I don’t know anyone who has that mindset. Sounds like a straw man myth.