Why we need to Reboot Food with George Monbiot in Stockholm. 

Oh god get a room rettch !!@

No we do not! Communists are bad for your health.

@@matthewrowe9903 lol

And mine!

Shhh they are not going to show you sources lol this was never about facts

@@matthewrowe9903 @Keljulvan Buy the book; all the references are in there. This is very much about facts. He is very much critical and skeptical also about the potential solutions he proposes.

I made the mistake of looking for the numbers he bases his theories on .seems many of them are not exactly scientifically valid . If you want to have a delve into the murk start with the Oxford study of GHG emissions from food ,the lead author was a prof Scarborough.

Marmite !not for everyone.

What about B12, do you have reason to suspect B12 will be hard to replicate using precision fermentation?

B12 is easily available to be purchased as a suppliment, not sure what you're saying with gut microbiome, but I'm certain you can have a good microbiome with plantbased or precision fermented products

@@blahdelablah Yes very much so. B12 is obtained from the soil, it's an earth-bound amino acid and essential nutrient. Without it, we can die.

@@Pan_Paniscus Human health is very dependent on a healthy gut. The gut powers the nervous system and brain via the vagus nerve. Very little is studied or understood by medical science because they eliminate the study of nutritional health. Doctors do not know much about vitamins and minerals. To be healthy, the gut needs microbial diversity. Humans are mostly microbes. We literally exist because of the power of the earth and obtain the earths power through plants and animals that graze on the earth and absorb B12. If our gut can only depend on plants, we are depriving it of microbial diversity in the form of a variety of animal species who have grazed on a variety of farmland and greenery. They will get B12 from eating grass and grazing. Without B12 we can die. Supplementation is therefore absolutely essential. To date, I have never heard George Monbiot raise this issue. I wonder how long he's been vegan. It's idealism without the facts. It's very dangerous.

​@@munkami I do agree that maybe it should be mentioned, there is so much to go through though. On the gut-biome topic, there are already many ways of getting microbial diversity as a plant eater in form of fermented plants, wholegrains, legumes probiotic supplimennts etc. shouldn't that be enough? When I look up gut health, the general consensus is that meat is bad for gut health and plants are good. There is probably a sweet spot where meat can be good for the gut health aswell, but what do I know? 😅

Yes there are vast numbers of bison but I don’t think they were in the billions the way they are nowadays. If you’re asking whether he is right, can you tell me in what respects he is wrong? Genuinely interested.

I did a long reply but it disappeared. I didn't say he was wrong, merely that I disagree. How many transport miles has george racked up talking about climate change, but it's farmers right, meat eaters.not academic commentators or vegans? His argument is too simplistic imo and has many flaws, not least being no one can prove Climate change is happening! We can only observe and comment on our small piece of history amid a massive time scale. How do we know warming and cooling isn't just some natural.cycle that is meant to happen, just as I breathe in I must breathe out. Do we need to address some models of farming? Yes I think we do! Should we lump people like Gabe Brown in with the mega cow sheds? Because that is what's happening. I would suggest Gabe, a cattle rancher in the USA, has done more to actually help the planet than someone vibrating the air with opinion and going around the world in fossil.fuel or child labour based transport. What would Allan Savory say about George?. Allan being someone that has studied complex systems like grassland and herd management. Over simplification is a mental illness and it's mental illness causing our problems, ie there is a virus,.let's all take a jab and not worry why a novel pathogen is impacting us,.but it is easier to blame a sector and an animal that can't communicate than it is to admit that many ideas are worthless and the solutions presented are so painful we are making matters worse for most. Intentions aside, no one knows what will happen if we get rid of the cattle farms, for sure we will need Justus Von Liebig's synthetic manures to feed the vegans then. Why get Nitrogen from a cow when we can burn the planet with hauber Bosch.? We recently followed the science, and look what happened. People are controlling narratives and I have no reason to imagine this Climate thing is any different..it is a market place, and vehicle for wealth extraction and George is helping it along while seemingly being untouched by the very thing he is proposing. People who consume more than they ought, are often found telling those who is who aren't, what we ought to be doing.

He has no credibility whatsoever, apart with the wide eyed zealots and climate crisis activists. So anti farming ,its beyond belief. Back to the stone age for you and me but never for them. No animals therefor no natural manure. Animals eat grass and emissions are a biocycle and it is totally wrong to focus on emissions and not their reorbsorption into the soil. Crazy attackon food production. Most land is marginal and is only fit to grow grass.. His policies would lead to mass starvation.

Your point being?

How do you know they were made from real leather? Also, what if they were second hand, would you have the same objections then?

@@blahdelablah no I don’t know whether they are leather and maybe they’re not but I did ask the question. I love him but he can’t say he’s a vegan if he buys leather I’m afraid.

@@rhessex that vegans don’t wear leather. Leather covers from the exploitation of cows and is a bi-product of the beef industry.

@@juliewake4585 How would you feel if his shoes material was derived from fossil fuels?