How Free Games Trick You Into Spending Money 

Warframe

​@@Rainbowhawk1993 Warframe is a job 🙄

Two text-based games, Doki Doki Literature Club and Everlasting Summer, as well as a sort of RPG game, Soda Dungeon. I would recommend all three of them :)

dwarf fortress, not the steam version.

Rocket league, fall guys, splitgate

It’s hard to drown when there’s no water.

@@The_whales you can drown in mud,blood and any liquid not water

@@user-ot8wl7oh9s no money = won't tricked No water = won't drowned Yeah i know english is not my first language but you should know the analogy already

​@@Payday5the first statement has "money" as a resource.. the second statement has "water" as a threat that is why those two doesn't relate

​@Tenkk nothing strange, money is a threat, embrace anarcho primitivism

I mean, they do now. The cheese from the AAA factories is so rarely good that I've given up on them altogether.

@@thebahua same here, i dont even remember when was the last time i bought aaa title. Maybe dishonored 2, ori an the will of the wisp and im thinking of elden ring now. The rest are indie games

I know I will be teared apart cause I said this but I believe web3 will help to build this indie ecosystem It just gives so much power to developers both in case of financials and communities but all the scams and speculations preventing people to see the real value

My favourite games rn are sekiro and ori I know they can not be considered indie but idk I feel that those games brake the rules of the big game makers.

@@C-scoFromSoftware is an exception, though.

That sounds even worse... Imagine if every time I wanted to play Elden Ring, I had to swipe my credit card and then if I died, I had to swipe my credit card to continue.

​@@GoodwillWrightYou're comparing two, very different types of monetization. Of course paying a one time 60 dollar fee to play a game would be better than paying one 25 cent fee for every try, but you're not just paying 60 dollars to play a game. You also have to pay another one time large variable number dollar fee to get the hardware to play the game too. These styles are just too different for an equal comparison.

​@@Goandoffurselfpaying 60 bucks to play games is dumb, let alone paying for arcade games

@@French_Fries9 No, but paying to continue playing a game after losing is certainly pay to win.

it actually does for some games, you die, insert coin, comeback to live, repeat after you complete the game

Imo piracy has always been a net good in the long term. Often, it's the only way games actually get preserved and shared for future people. All the arcade games you can play today? Piracy.

Idc about anything, I always pirated and will always be pirating. Yay free stuff

@@sazanja the only correct answer tbh.

@@sazanjalet’s go pal The only downside I have to that is that playing online is problematic as hell

Sadly it can't save us from P2W garbage

Exactly why the guy who gave the speech said "don't make the games too skill based" because someone with a high enough skill will complete the game without spending a dime

I did that with Dragon Lair. Yes that game. I had the PC version of it and practiced so much in the late 90's.. then found an old arcade where it still was up and played it on one single credit xD Yes it's very fun getting that good and using just one credit to beat the game. Oh by the way the original smash TV was made without a way to win. They kept saying you need keys to enter the vault and kept teasing you, but the programmers never actually programmed a final vault level. True story. Only later did n updated cabinet get made and released.

@@xenxander original PAC-Man has no ending either. It's a level that just crashes at 256.

It also mattered which games you played. People didn't generally play what were referred to as "Quarter Eaters". Games like Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Combat hit big among Arcane players. The better you were. The less money you spent. This is also why Arcade rats where simply better at gaming in general. They had to be to make good use of their money.

That's just nostalgia blinding you and getting too used to rushing the game in 1 go. They make games eating quarters or Nintendo Hard simply because Steam isn't a thing to make quick cheap games so they make it hard and hope that you have to rent it again from Blockbuster multiple times to beat it. The "hardcore gamers" is just a side effect of an old business model that is no longer lucrative

Genius

smart

​@@Axalachiplease dont hit me with a bat made out of cake ill pay the 60%

@@Kahridk okay I won’t ╰(✿´⌣`✿)╯♡

You know most people don’t beat games right? Like deadass prolly no more than 25% actually beat the games they buy and most people only pay multiplayer games nowadays only

Very true, also the hardware isn’t compatible, strong enough for the games

Paying for games regardless buying games or paying for microtransaction is pure stupidity. I rather play games that is free and 0 microtransactions and I can play the game for years

@@gladiatorgamer9502 Paying for games you know are good is supporting hard working people, paying for a broken game is being a blind fanboy.

@@demontamerbf18 why would I pay for games when I alr paying them with my time. When u like me who spend 8k hours on games, that literally translate to me spending $80k in the game industry assuming u can earn $10/hr. $80k is literally the amount I can earn if I had worked instead of gaming on paper. Now add money that u used to buy games? Why dont u tell me how much it costs in total?

@@gladiatorgamer9502 Yeah thats why pirate game still exist, its free and if it bad just delete it, and download more, all hail pirate game

It sadly affected Overwatch's loot system. That one was stingy with cosmetic credits, until they made it better and better. It was so good that you could get a lot of cosmetics by free or just maybe paying once for more loot boxes (and not even the expensive ones). Now that OW2 came out, all cosmetics are paid and overly expensive with almost no way to get them for free, even if you came from OW1. :(

wait they arent available in the netherlands and belgium?

@kirsten.8772 According to Google and steam community yes. This happened back in 2018. It can be bypassed with a VPN but they did the right thing. You want a skin just buy it. Those cases are a waste of $$$ and time.

​@@KhriZippy Learning what Libertarians Leanrned. Government is not the Solution

​@@silverhawkscape2677agree, the market will come out with a solution, sooner or later.

I love skins that are obtained by PLAYING, paying for them ruins the fun, doing "daily challenges" (Battle passes) for them is just to get people to get hooked onto the game daily so they don't want to stop playing even if it takes money to continue

i don't mind battlepasses tbh, they're usually around 10$ and they take longer to complete than paying for another 60$ game. if it's a battlepass for a game that you already enjoy playing and the price is justified for the amount of hours you're getting out of it, i don't see the problem

Imagine paying real money for virtual clothes if you told me that 15 years ago I would tell you that is mental illness

​@@Chiefrocka. it all started with that damn eso horse

”How can I play this, theres no battlepass grind!”

Playing valheim with a group of friend was the most fun i’ve had since 2017 fortnite

@@magicoil1572 dont forget that their mods on workshop works perfect if you want more challenge or their vanilla game goes stale on your liking

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@@magicoil1572 What do you like the most about valheim?

Valheim is top tier, So much content already in Early Access and insane content after with 5 DEVELOPERS

😮

Dude terraria doesn't make that much money anymore 😂

​@@Catalanskrrbait

Thats delusional, there need to still be tens of millions of people to buy Terraria every month for them to make millions with that system. Please keep it a serious discussion

Why are people so serious lmao. Am I not allowed to express my love for Terraria? You guys need to chill ffs.

Too bad the majority of people are mindless and desperate to part with their money. Comment sections are infuriating when you see fanboy clowns defending these corporations.

Just cosmetic micro transactions would be fine and tolerable how unfortunate it is then that players start excusing the bs

Slippery slope fallacy, You have no way to prove that assertion. It's been like 10 years that majority games have just been charging for cosmetics. Leave the tin foil hat at home

@@waynewayne8419 its like conservatives talking about gay marriage lol

@@augustuslunasol10thapostle This analogy is too good lol. But if I may correct you with some semantics, their argument with the slippery slope fallacy was consent. They thought that if we allow gay sex and other “immoral acts” the things we “can” consent to can be bad and gets worse regardless of whether or not the two people say yes. It sounds incoherent, but hey, it’s above my pay grade to translates conservative nonsense.

this is true with tripple a games as well its just some of the more greedy ones put p2w in their paid titles. I'm glad ea have stopped with the nfs franchise they luckily only did it for one title

​@@sharkyslegoandotherstuff i only buy AAA games if im sure they'll be high quality and something i will play and replay for long, stuff like elden ring, God of War, The Legend of Zelda BOTW blew my mind

Like which one?

@@caquita402 i'll give some of my favorites Hollow Knight Omori Ori and the blind forest Outer Wilds Inscryption The hex Undertale Lisa: The Painful Lisa: The Joyful Subnautica Papers, please Furi Deltarune Hades Dead Cells Terraria Oneshot There are many more that I like but I cant really remember all of them right now

@Bleh bruh you're trollin

You pick up the food by playing the game, not by throwing more quarters in. There's a whole strategy and balancing act to making sure you can get to the food items before taking too much damage, but also not grabbing them prematurely in case you needed them later. It's literally an example of not pay-to-win.

Continue screens and dynamic health were nothing like the proto-microtransactions in Double Dragon 3. Are you familiar with a female voice saying "insert the coin"?

Which is rarely happen. F2p games want people to keep coming back using limited shit, so they cant play anything else

@@shutup1037 “rarely happens” bruh League of legends has it happening, and its one of the most popular games

@@specificocean4176yeah that is what rarely happens means, most cases don't do the same as league

By "hooked" he means in a way that is compulsive and not necessarily enjoyable. How many times have you seen someone complain about the grind in a game and get the response "If there isn't a grind, what would be the point of playing?". The answer of course would be there is no point, and that Freudian slip reveals they aren't enjoying the shallow gameplay either.

@@Maximum432 Hooked can be good and bad. I can’t remember a time or game that had me hooked “long term” in a good way that I remember fondly lol (At least for F2P games)

Yeah, i saw people paying for the game not because the cosmetics but because they want to support the devs... Is crazy to me, but again, i donated to streamers, so not so different

How about just creating a good game and not microtransactions at all?

@@3vergiven warframe is that, you can get almost everything by grind, many ppl do grind, but many players just pay to support the devs. Yes It blew my mind when i heard it first too

I remember one time I just went fishing

Sadly warframe gets worse every year, they rarely care now about their players who are in mid to late games. The last like 3 updates only gave stuff to new players. I have like 800 hrs.

They are, just for a reference point, before loot boxes skins costed 2$ on console games. Post loot boxes skins cost 20$ often times. Literally a 10x price increase. Similarly due to digital sales physical production costs go down. Loot Boxes were so profitable to keep shareholders happy post loot-box they needed to vastly up the price. This also has a hidden benefit for companies, when a person willingly buys 600$ worth of cosmetics this means 10 people can leave your game without consequences. People can no longer vote with their wallet as only 10% of their community needs to pay money to completely counter everything people can do to fight back.

As a gaming industry worker, no, popular games pleases the investers and you do not need pay 2 win. games that don't have enough userbase relys on pay2win even GM to make enough profit to sustain the team.

Depends how to view it, they are the game socially dependent, not totally a single player game like other AAA game, when it is socially dependent, pay or without is having different level of gaming experience, maybe it's not p2w, but induce consumption for sure.

​@@zadesiriuspaying for a character doesn't make it f2p tbh. These Hoyo simp are full of shite.

but for some reason they need wifi and store your data on server instead on your pc, when the game is supposed to be single player That also run kernel level anti cheat.

Frommsoft: hold my game of the year awards

and up to consumers to just not buy the bad shite

@@SodaPopBot still that way today

To be honest we live in an even better age. You just have to be a good consumer, and it’s the best time to be a gamer than ever. Stop buying shitty games by EA, Ubisoft, blizzard, etc. and realize that there are so many better options

@@polygondeath2361 this, thank you. There's such a vast selection of good indie games. I just think people's standards are inflated and expect aaa from indie. Granted recent AAA have been flops, frommsoft has consistently put out game of the year and they've been some of the best experiences gaming has to offer in this era.

What did you spend the $10 bucks on?

@@Acistra A War Robots starter pack.

F2P games are designed to keep you playing at a daily basis otherwisae you are the one gonna lose if you don’t play daily with their free stuff. Grinding shouldn’t be a thing.

​@@therealjaystone2344 Unlike Payed one times Games their Live service usually, so without people playing them they can't continue. Some can do this fine via enganging(keyword engage not addict)the player into playing more, until their sastified. Atleast that should be how it goes, instead some like Genshin Impact treat you like animal made out of money, not person. So it tries manipulation tatics than just giving you an amazing experince and seeing if you're willing to pay for more. They feel entiteled to your money so they try anything to obtain it, like somehow them creating something they worked hard on is deserving of people's money, thats not how that works people choose what they consider worthwhile and should be treated with Respect. Genshin Impact had them go in and like it, but it didn't respect them. LOL is somewhat similar it atleast somewhat respects its players, still though with it's terrible Challenge changes, events being only shop updates and a terrible focus on only competive. It lead to the game falling off so much people are reccomending you not to play it.

@@therealjaystone2344 ya they are hell for completionsts Can't beat the game if you miss a day

Depending what u spend that $50 on

Now games are 70$

Patient gamer ftw, 2 yrs and all of them go for 10-15$

Inflation mostly (at least I would bet that's the case)

​@@Chortle. Games are also longer nowadays, either through multiplayer or sheer amount of content on single player (compare RDR2 to RDR1). The last COD game had such a short campaign that people were mad (rightfully so), but if you go back, games used to be even shorter on average. Complete walkthroughs (gameplay + cutscenes) barely break a few hours barrier. With that being said, Game Pass services and good old piracy are our saviors. If consumers weren't addicted degenerates, they wouldn't buy 70 games (that will also "force" you to consider microtransactions later on).

But some of these games it is impossible for grind to win without a visa card.

@@RandySnarsh if that the case then its unplayable for me o7

That doesn't work when it comes to PvP free to play. You can grind for 3 weeks 8 hours a day just to have it all destroyed in 5 seconds by some whale who spent $8000 on it yesterday. I had one experience like that in 2013 and never used free to play again. It's all junk. I discovered that for that particular game (evony) you could buy for just $60 what it would take 100 hours to grind out. Waste of time.

​@@Chronix-yup, mobile gaming has heavily implemented this pay to win system and for some reason mobile gamers are all brain dead idiots who keep paying for these.

@@SGM_GamesYT "grinding is boring" if you don't like grinding then it's defeating the whole pourpose of video games so i don't think you should be playing it then

Was wondering if any dwarves were watching this. Rock and stone brother!

@@Dirtbaghippy Rock and stone to you too, fellow dwarf!

Lmao I wish people would stop saying stuff like this without thinking about how business works. Tattoo thinking emotional. Why would the makers of Call of Duty or Madden stop making a billion a year to follow some random game?

@@toptiertech7291 Im talking about making a game enjoyable, and fair for most players. Ofc I know how companies work. They want maximum profit. If they are doing well with their current strategies, why bothering taking players into account?. People like u are the ones that make their aggressive strategies viable, little brown-nose.

Rock and Stone

True

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Well said, Martin! It feels like almost every company just wants to sell a subscription these days and almost no company wants to just sell a good product.

in this day and age, company want good income, good quality only ever being put on thought if it can increase the company's income

Well 😏😌 I wonder why is that🤭

good luck finding a control group.

Great point. Free to play games can be fine but the pay to win model will make it seem like spending money is the only way to progress if that's all they know. Skill will become only a small part of gaming. I'll be keeping my kids well clear!

will you try to sue minecraft bedrock and make that free to play if you win

Once you are done developing can you share it with us dude, good luck to your Journey, I'm studying IT rn but my school is not giving me enough knowledge, I want to make a program too.

​@@xynthyxpls make a game that is free to download and dont have any microtransactions

And please make the game free, and in mobile, so us poor country can play the game instead paying 50$ game

@@petraryca fr make everything free for us poor players

they were doing what every indie was doing, they didn't revolutionized anything

True. Demo versions were a huge deal till 00's. But later on with Steam come to live it started to go down and rises back again now. As a wise man said - all new is well forgotten old.

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@@kirasmile580 Demo =! the shareware model. Shareware has more in common with Telltale Walking Dead/Batman than the modern day demos

agree 300%. Sad that the game's reputation is tarnished for something not even in the game anymore

Huh I never knew that. I will still not buy it though.

Just like internet explorer It doesn't matter what it looks like now people still won't use it

Actually, I still play the game and I always hear it being talked about in those "Bad games that got saved" videos

@@guaplei1 people use edge and is the second most popular browser, over 10 million people bought no man sky I at the end of 2022

Some call it pay-to-progress

@@darq7000Pay-to-skip-the-grinding

@@darq7000 Nah, pay-to-progress would be if they locked things behind a paywall, Warframe is more like pay-to-skip, you pay so you can skip grinding or waiting for time to pass.

@@vikhr pay-to-skip is pay-to-progress. What you describe is the classical pay-to-win.

@@darq7000 "X is Y. What you describe is Z" What? I highlighted the differences clearly. Pay-to-skip is when you have to pay to skip grind, pay-to-progress is when you have to pay to progress (clearly this is not true in Warframe), and finally, pay-to-win is when you have to pay to get gear that guarantees better chances at winning (also not true in Warframe because the only items truly locked behind a paywall are a few cosmetics that amount to only 1% of all cosmetics in the game).

As someone who considers F2P status something valuable (bragging rights), this is very true. That being said, I am also willing to toss a few coins to devs of actually good games where progression is fair and balanced for non-spending (or better yet, does not include P2W at all). Though there are some good F2P gems out there, these days I'd rather just pay $2-10 upfront for a mobile game and enjoy a full experience without any additional payments, arbitrary restrictions on playtime, nor unnecessarily long grinds.

@@cheesewizard0727 I've done that before with something that I paid upfront but is a live service because I enjoyed their stuff and wanted to support them. I don't think there is anything wrong with that in either scenario because with F2P games that don't have P2W stuff, you can just try out the game like a demo but as a whole.

Rarely is there any "good 1-2 dollar package". best use case ive seen is Genshin's tactic with their 5 dollar package. Which rarely is the reason why people spend more, fomo does a way better job. Its better used for retention value tbh

"To devs" All that money goes to the publishers. Devs were already fired or is making another different game with fixed salaries.

... And we as consumers are falling right into it. We will now own nothing once again.

This is what MS is doing with things like game pass, and what Valve is fighting with the Steam Deck.

but the thing is with the high prices of gpu's I think 10$/month is pretty good deal to play games on high settings

in a sense, but the games are not tuned for difficulty instead its length of play. Which is not necessary a bad or good thing.

@@thebahua what “what valve is fighting against “, they are fine with people putting game pass on the steam deck, and steam games aren’t physical copies, you cannot sell them even if you want to.

Seem fair

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Ba-Ding! Sarge wants his tummy rubbed.

If EA owns Nintendogs

Updater how to make money guide : 1. Make a game full of cats and dogs 2. Make it so the more luck you have the better dog/cat you will get like collection 3. MAKE STUFF TO PAY FOR BETTER LUCK AND MAKE THEM TEMPORAL

As much as I love Nintendogs, now I wonder what a EA version would look like…

Those games never gone away they just are overshadowed by scumier titles because there the ones that make the news. You still can find games without micro-transaction and games with dlc aren't the worst if you do your research as some can have meaningful content.

"I miss the days when" You mean yesterday? like, I bought a game yesterday. It had no DLC, no microtransactions, it's a very fun game. You should try looking outside of Activision, EA, Ubisoft and their ilk. Most games I buy don't have microtransactions, and if they do have DLC, it's large additions to the campaign/story/world that are more like expansions. I don't understand the sentiment that you can't buy a game that has everything in it.

Like baldurs gate 3

@@jeanschyso Factorio, baldurs gate 3.

@@teseutressoldi3972 amongst so many others, yes!

Everyone has a breaking point

​@@haruhisuzumiya6650it's one thing to break but a whole other issue when they start defending the company. "This billion dollar company that's swimming in profits needs my $200 donation for the ftp game" kinda energy

Not really

they care, there are just new children being born every day to addict to the new paradigm of a worthless hobby.

there's also DRG, and while it is a game you have to pay to play, 90% of the cosmetics and weapons you can get are earned directly in-game the stuff you CAN buy are purely for looks, its battle pass is completely free and all the cosmetics you couldn't get in the previous ones get transferred to either in-game drops or the shop(which doesn't really have a premium currency, as phazyonite can also be mined in DRG) not to mention the game is a blast and a half to play

What drg

@@jonathonbartlett5518 deep rock galactic: the game where you mine, shoot and rock n stone

one thing i find funny about warframe though is that to new players, weapons are marketed to them with platinum and not the blueprint for credits. not gonna lie i feel bad for smeone who bought a cool gun and then realised it wasnt that good because they still have to farm mods for it lmao, and that they also could have just got it for like 30,000 credits 😭

​@@blackjovian9414rock and stone

Definately how it went in MapleStory. Just skins and stuff in the beginning until the gacha stuff came in actually influencing your strength in the game. They went completely overboard with it with new type of gacha after new type of gacha being added. It was pretty much impossible to keep up, raising costs to do so in the multiple thousands. Killed the interest of many… :(

@@Firestone160 Well your statement is true. I was referring to Legends of Idleon (It was inspired by MapleStory since the dev was also a player and huge fan of it). I won't tell much details but It went as MapleStory was, The developer got greedy. The game was no longer "free to play friendly".

@@mirael1248 sad to see money getting the better of people and killing the games’ vibe in the process.

Also game spy for servers to play mp deathmatch

Children don't give a crap. You should check out RU-vid videos made specifically for kids. The millions of views you can make* easily off of them.

The reason is that there are many players whose vanity outweighs their common sense.

Riot games in general don't adhere to the pay to win formula either and their probably the biggest name in the free to play market at this point. With league of legends, valorant, tft, legends of runeterra and the soon up coming fighting game.

@@zackrose6261 when is that expected?

​@@zackrose6261but they pretty greedy like skin so expensive especially in Valorant just pixels for your account can't sold those stuff like cs:go and Steam , or Tft egg or Battle pass with $$ price 😑 (lol game mode from dota 2 "laboratory" 😂) and you can't even buy Bp just playing/grinding like Fortnite...

Predatory monetization is really good in the short run but in the long run it is trash.

While i do agree that the gaming market has grown a lot, i do not think it still enough for games to still be $60, markets growing is nothing new and if anything videogames are the exception, not the rule. even with new technologies, faster way of distributing games, etc, there are still that grow in scope too, and the more things there are, the more time and effort it takes to do everything. So in some aspect i do agree on the external monetization practice but obviously, with any kind of company you try to give them a hand and they take your foot.

The moral of the story is that capitalism is not sustainable, why to make a good product anymore if you can just use cassino stuff

Issue is probably deeper than just "video game p2w habits". besides if the game isnt fun without paying, i cant see how itll be fun when you pay. Pay to speed up progression, is the less dangerous offence to such a system

@@leonc4653 I guess I'm just thinking about it differently. I've been playing since I was a kid and always had that mentality of "pay once, enjoy forever" which was what orders games were. With the new free to play games I just don't Ike it even I have to pay extra to have fun. Currently have 600 hours on genshin and never paid anything. And most game I played was destiny 2 from pre college having 2000 hours in it. In summary I'm just built different and didn't understand that spending was that big of a problem. Thought people were self aware about their decisions

I have no money so i was forced to play f2p lmao.

@@cy4n_knight_q8 "Never payed anything -" except your time. I wonder how many of you people will ever realize that time is more important than money.

@@darkestnutoftheabyss3641 I'm not sure what do you mean by that, logically playing games are a waste of time no matter what game is it, whether it's genshin or not doesn't matter

It's really different for kids these days. Keep in mind there are literally twice as many humans on the planet now. While us arcade era kids could stand out from the crowd (which was orders of magnitude smaller than the smallest online community) through developing skill at the popular cabinet, the only way kids these days can stand out from their online crowd is by customizing their digital avatars. Also, anyone who achieves noticeably superior results at a given online game is immediately suspected as being a cheater.

Only somebody with gambling tendencies would feel that way.

@@JiggyJones0 No, I just found that lootboxes were better for F2P players than battle passes.

@@JiggyJones0 only a poor person would say that

They wouldnt ye, they would take ages longer and release with less content

@@ZurilasZone ya

@@ZurilasZone games are still releasing with less/worse content even though tthe devs have more money anyways, look at battlefield

You can't make employees make more content or changes if they won't get any money out of it because it's a free game. People need their paychecks. The free game has to have either microtransactions or a ton of ads to make up for it.

@@morkmello5367 ture but l'm am not talking about that what l'm am talking about is abusive monetization not good ones :]

Yeah indie studios are awesome

You know you could mod the game (if you have it on PC, if you have it on quest then ignore this) and get any song you want

@@mentalish9417 Yeah have it on Quest. I read something about having to erase the game and re-downloading a previous version of the game or something?

Real

Better off not playing in P2W games that require you to pay if you want to progress in the next month.

this would work with gacha games not all but most but some games are just pay to win

Theres no such a thing as a real free to play game, i mean, ID they made the game free to access, the probably have a way to gain money despite it being free. If the said product/service is free, then you are actually the product. A quote wich i dont exactly remember when did i hear but makes a lot of sense.

Lol, even better, stop playing them to begin with and actually, support games that don't use lootbox (like gacha games) and using fomo.