<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="254">4:14</a> - Minor typo, the Direct Support Platoon is abbreviated as SAD (for Section d'appui direct) rather than SAED, which is the Dismounted Engagement Support Platoon (Section d'aide à l'engagement débarqué). Elaboration to the point at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="792">13:12</a>, apparently the French may be looking at getting more of the 7.62 Evolys than the 5.56 ( x.com/Marsattaqueblog/status/1802982372813557975 ). I don't know if that means the 7.62 Evolys could become a squad automatic in some squads of the platoon, but something to think about
@@Warcriminal843 The secret BL "Baguette Launcher", it's a weapon of masse destruction that may or may not be usefull if things goes bad on the frontline. But dont tell anyone !
The rush for better indirect fire support is similar to Thailand's own rush for more mobile indirect fire support options after the border wars they had with Laos & Cambodia - especially with the threat of the Myanmar Civil War leaking over the border into Thailand. It was Thailand's own experience with French Artillery Systems like the Caesar SPH and GIAT LG1 Howitzer that made them develop their own domestically produced M758 SPH (co developed with Elbit) and CS/AH2 Light Howitzer (co developed with Chinese Poly Technologies).
I appreciate pushing equipment down the TO&E, especially the organic AT, but something about two man fireteams just doesn't really gel with me personally.
Quand tu n'as pas la maitrise du ciel! la guerre moderne se fait en 3D! sur la guerre en Ukraine ce retex n'est pas valable car personne ne maitrise la 3e dimension!
Using a version of a telephone ring tone when presenting graphics is really annoying, you don’t need these weird sounds. Please don’t use it again as i would like to watch your videos lol but pretending your a computer in a 90’s movie is annoying
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="675">11:15</a> - I think the "resilience" comes from the squad being able to survive the loss of a single team without completely losing its ability to engage a certain kind of target. Under the trinome system, the squad is always one grenade or one autocannon burst away from either losing both of its anti-armour weapons, or the MG and grenadier at the same time. Under the binome system the two anti-armour systems and the two anti-massed infantry systems can be kept separate from each other (because they don't answer to the same team leader), so that even after one lucky hit the squad still has the ability to engage vehicles and massed infantry (and engage at long range, if you count the DMR and MG as redundancies).
thats quite good explanation but if you ask me. none of the current doctrines are good enough. fire teams and support teams must work as buddy and respond to same leader. imagine every rifle squad has 3 man drone support team that can engage in comms real time to operate. basicly you will have minimap leader can mark lokations in real time. with proper fpv drone support no rifle suqad needs anti tank support like it used to be. let grunt be grunt dont make things complicated for them. there is no more massed infantry assult anymore. mg is basicly just fire support unit. russia using 2 by 2 infiltartion tactics. as any fpv drone will target you if you are more then 2 person. and there hundereds flying at the same time.
@@paxundpeace9970 I'd imagine they can be rather easily task organized into two fireteams if you wanted. I think the binomes are just building blocks that let you mix and match capabilities. A squad is small enough that you can just say "B,C teams you'll be with me and my A team; Cpl Bloggins, you'll be in charge of E in addition to your own D team." It isn't like a larger unit where you have to sort out staff relationships or people not knowing who their chain of command is.
It definitely seems like the French are taking lessons from the Ukraine conflict. A ton of organic anti tank weaponry, drones for longer range strike missions, and more mobile heavy mortars. However it does seem like that no one is trying to include any anti drone capabilities, for either the battlefield or the rear area, FPV and long range loitering drones have become a very real threat that is cheap and easily mass produceable.
Their 40mm CTA guns have very effective anti-drone munitions, and the guns elevate up to 85 degrees. The Germans are installing a radiolocation device on their autocannon turrets (on the Puma and Boxer) , to detect the radiation of incoming drones, the guns can automatically target the drones, maybe the French will make something similar. That's on top of dedicated SHORAD and EW equipment.
la France a anticipé depuis longtemps les conflits symétriques, et aujourd'hui le retour d'info sur le front Ukrainien leur a donné raison! je dirais que c'est une confirmation plus qu'un apprentissage!
The French are pushing a lot of capabilities down the TO&E! The battalion group commander and staff better get a lot of field time if they want to be good at making the pieces work together 😮
The Ukrainians are doing something similar with their units, having mixed assets like drones, mortars, HMGs, heavy grenade launchers, and atgms. so I imagine the french say that and want something similar
Honnestly I think french officers and staff are the best trained in Europe. The Saint-Cyr academy is very famous, and many others europeans countries are sending their own young officers in this academy to be trained
@@artykhaan French armed forces are able to generate real combat capability, but like any other European army, they are heavy on firepower and equipment, unable to absorb personel losses and have a very shallow reserve of manpower. The French (like almost any other Western military organization) will not be able to sustain organized combat with a neer peer opponent for long, as their manpower reserves will attreat and negate their materiel advantage.
French have been good soldiers and generally well led for a long time. WW2 was an anomaly -- really just the aftereffects of having been bled white in WW1. That said, I think the memes are unjustified and France has the most capable army and air force in Europe by a mile.
That VBL replacement vehicle looks really badass. And I’m waiting for the French army to retire their VBLs to get one (they’re really badass, 4x4 and amphibious). The perfect vehicle.
Uh, as long as the French military doesn't make things TOO complicated, and keeps in mind that these regiments will be refilled by inexperienced troops all to quickly as any given conflicted progresses.
It doesn't seem anymore complicated than how it is currently. Drones are pretty simple to operate. The biggest complexity is EW but that already exists currently, just at higher echelon
@@braxtonmoore9246For the majority of human history, Soldiers have been levies. Professional Soldiers have always been the minority in large scale warfare.
@@braxtonmoore9246 you're correct to a point. But how long does it take to "Make" an 11B, or other MOSs, to the extent that they, each and in group, can be effective in Field?
NLAW at battalion level is one of the most bizzare things I've ever seen. Next are towed 120 mm mortars in 2024 and 50 km loitering munition at company level.
Same reason why Ukraine use Javelin missiles at a battalion level but the US use them at a squad level, not everyone can afford to give out expensive weapons for everyone.
@@dannyzero692 if money is the issue there's even even less point in keeping mixed AT groups. Instead of 4 Akerons in 3 squads they can have 4 ATGMs in 2 squads. Seven people and one APC less is a lot of money to be saved. BTW comparing Javelin with NLAW is third bizzare thing I've seen today.
It is not that crazy. It is same old Cold war practise of combining recoilless gun like SPG-9 and ATGM like Malyutka, where SPG covers close zone where Malyutka can't arm itself.
@@norbi1411 Akeron should have longer range. But that is not important. What is important that both have minimum effective range (150m for Akeron and 500m for Malyutka if wiki is correct) and as such you need something different to cover that zone where Akeron can't be used. That is why you get NLAW as part of battalion anti tank teams.
Your quality never ceases to amaze me, Battle Order, well done. I find your videos about military doctrines including the French Armed Forces ones very interesting.
On seras là si il faut ❤🇫🇷💪🔪 le monde retient mai 1940 sur l’armée française !! Mais l’armée française EST ENCORE LÀ MEILLEURE SUR LES 800 dernières années ! OUI ! AVEC UN PETIT PAYS COMME LE NÔTRE !!! Fuck putin 🔪🔪🐀🐀 tu nous fais pas peur 🖕🏻🖕🏻 ça fait 1000 ans qu’on est là et beaucoup de pays ont essayé de nous envahir ils ont jamais réussi 🖕🏻🖕🏻
Adding a commando platoon to every regiment/BTGr is a really cool idea, and it's interesting to see all those NATO militaries starting to embrace deep battle concepts, focusing both on frontline and backline troops equally. Imagine how difficult it would be for a Russian or Chinese mechanised unit to operate if their C3 had to stay far away from the actual line units due to fear of being destroyed by a bunch of madmen running around their rear, getting constantly targeted and jammed. Lightning war is great and all, but we can see how armored pushes are oftentimes rarely viable like in Ukraine, so having a capability to put pressure and push an enemy without exposing your main body is a really great capability to have.
@@norbi1411 How in the world is that safer? You'll have a higher chance of losing more men AND equipment if an entire battery is exposed to the enemy artillery
Just a precision, a first mortar support platoon has already been formed in an infantry regiment, the 13th Half-Brigade of the Foreign Legion (13e Demi-Brigade de Légion Étrangère), you can see a post about that on the tiwtter account of the unit.
If I counted right France is reorganizing into 19 regiments yes? That's actually a pretty sizeable number of trigger-pullers. Among those 19 are a large number of specialized units. Hmm. I think you have to credit France for getting incredible value from her defense spending. Value as compared to other nations of course. Army navy air forces all modern and sizeable, and oh yes strategic nuclear weapons. Compare her to the UK or Germany, who spend comparable monies.
Salary in the French armed forces is nowhere near UK or even Germany. That's how. Salary is a major part of defense expenditure. Fresh lieutenant, monthly: France: 2,108 € UK: 3,052 € Germany: 3,366 € Fresh enlisted monthly: France: 1,537 € UK: 1,446 € Germany: 2,275 € A fresh German enlisted makes more than a fresh French lieutenant.
@@jonny2954: The salary you mention are true but are at least doubled when a French soldier goes abroad in a fighting mission,(Opex) thing French army does for thirty years. I believe that is not the case for a british or german officer. ( same salary at the barracks or thousand kilometres away) 3000 euros at home or abroad is not the same. and sorry but 3000 euros is a shitty pay when you can’t see your relatives for 6 months or more. The fact that you earn more when you’re away is also a way to make your family accept the situation.
@@BFOP15 Germans get "Auslandsverwendungszuschlag" too. Depending on the threat level of the mission from 48 € (fobbits) up to 145 € (combat arms) tax-free _per day_ . So a maximum of 4350 € monthly on top of the base salary. A Infantry Lieutenant comes back from a 6 month combat deployment with 26,100 € tax free on top of his base salary. Note: Base salary also increases even further if you have children.
@@buckdanny9062 In the example of a Mechanised Infantry Lieutenant as a platoon leader that man has responsibility for 36 Soldiers and more than 52 Million € of equipment. Not so little.
So they plan to be ready by 2030. Remind me of that top gun movie. Where the naval Commander says something like they'll be there in 30 seconds hell he'll be over in 5 seconds! Well we are talking about Good Friends the french. And if they go into Ukraine then that means our guys will go in to help them out. Just like Vietnam
While I really enjoy the old school visuals you use for the unit structure, the typing sound effect when new text appears is too intrusive/takes me away from the narration. Gonna come down to taste ofc but I feel like toning that sound down a bit would be good!
The French army does have specialist drone regiments that will provide support to GTIA (expeditionary brigades). What you saw there was a pow from the regiment level, which also includes drones to a degree
Particularly interesting video on a subject that can be difficult to produce for a non-French speaker. @BattleOrder: On the other hand, the reorganization is so massive that organization charts in image form would be useful for French speakers who are interested, as is my case. Is it possible ?
I’m still wondering if they’re going to adopt a 338 lm platform for their snipers, for the moment they’re one of the few European army’s with no intermediate caliber between the 7.62 and the 12.7
Regular Infantry don't, but French special forces do. They have sniper rifles like Finnish rifle Sako TRG-42 in .338 Lapua Magnum and Canadian rifle Cadex CDC-40 Shadow in .408 Chey Tac
Excellent video as always, although if i may still clarify, none has been fully done yet nor is it sure The VBCI for exemple has good chances to end up staying, with a brand new version rolling out with new armor, redesigned turret and 30mm canon among other things The Eryx doesnt have a clear replacer just yet, the MLAW being one, although the ERYX Missile sytem Mk2 being also on the table but slightly pricier aswell as the karl gustav For the ERYX squad, it wont necessarily dissapear, Precision shooters usually work on a compagnie level and so are no longer stuck to squads, the person replacing them usualy being either a 2iC for the SL or a specialist like a drone Operator Switching to 2 man teams instead of 3 man teams would help flexibility and manoeuvrability but also enable us to be even more aggressive in our fighting style and also carry more firepower, very useful for either ERYX or MAG 58 teams, we longer need to limit ourselves to 2 per squad, now they can be one gunner and one aid I do not work in the bureau to really know what they are thinking although this change if it goes the right way and correctly, is very welcomed
It is all nice but as long as the French army (or any european countriy for that matter) does not have quantities in terms of industrial capacities and stock to face a major conflict (even within NATO), the war won't last long (and not in France's favor).
Please bear in mind our army is here to support abroad with very special opérations or our overseas forces. Our national defense is ultimately garanteed with our independant nuclear weapons. With our Navy and Air army to make a good shield time to deploy and organized national territory defense and the french geography, you anyway need to have a f****g army. And this should have crossed Portugal & Spain or Poland & Germany or Italy. Means not that probable.
waouh this is so much work, its also beautifully made, you never disapoint Battle Order! what id like to know is what you actually think about all that? you are probably the kind of guy that think he is not competent enough to give its opinion because you actually understand how complicated it all is, but dude, you are so much more aware about those things compared to average "Jean", i'm pretty sure you could give a an educated guess without sounding pretentious! i'm also pretty sure that if theres a mistake, the large amount of actual military personnel that are watchinbg your content with awe seeing a not even french dude explain all this in a much clearer fashion than any official document would love to give their opinion and insights
The French infantry have a magazine in which they publish quite the detailed pieces of info. It’s called Fantassins and is available in both French and English on the Internet.
I used to think they are useless, but most armies should have the M72 to all units, ukraine has shown you may come across dugouts and bunkers and they are light and good compared to even the at4 in terms of weight, like us canadians first putting optics on squad automatics, now everyone does it and we are not mocked,, same should be said on canada use of m72, don't mock us, think, every 2nd man can have something for short range use.
@@nikolaideianov5092 it's not about the level indoctrination called IQ, real intelligence comes from proper training and real technologies that assist...
I’m no military officer or analyst but I can’t help but feel utterly confused at the lack of SAWs… Everyone’s just focusing on ATs but no anti infantry focused weapons…
They have M249 SAW in France they just call it the FN Minimi. It's the same gun made by FN Herstal. The Minimi will be replaced by the new FN Evolys for the French Infantry, (it is already used by French special forces)
Seems like this time French wants alone to beat Russia.. PS : could ypu do same BO video for Indian Army.. they been doing COIN with the help of drone that fires granades too & had been fighting with Chinese on Himalayan border
It seems that many of these French doctrinal changes are similar to what is currently being implemented within the US's 1-509 IN REG for FORSCOM as a proof of concept of what an IN BN can and should be by 2030.
Seriously? Only 40k odd…? Sheesh, your work is excellent. Deserves a LOT more people taking an interest than that. Then again… you are asking for peoples attention AND for their brains to be engaged at the same time. One helluva(‘n) ask… Oh well. I am happy to share yr work with a relatively small group like this. As George Orwell once said (in 1984 no less): “Sanity is not statistical”
The Small Quadcopter Bomber Drones should really be relegated to Company level, specialist Squad, attached to C&C, since they double as Reconnaissance (full team of 2x4). So you can upsize for Artillery Tube/Rocket Battery's using bigger Recon drones. The Tactical Loitering Munition (Shorter range Kamikaze) Drones should be organized as 1 whole platoon, since strikes are person directed, and provide incidental recon, and being able to be attached to Companies ad-hoc. The Medium Range Drones (Kamikaze + Recon) should be given as a whole Company and to be attached to Brigade level units, same who can direct Extended Range Fires.
The entire world is preparing for the ww3 and it's new way of wafare meanwhile my country Brazil is stuck in the 70s... Well, at least the war ferver din't reach latin america... *for now*
There is a document floating about that details the Russian infantry's lessons learned in Ukraine. In it, they recommend that infantry works in dispersed pairs, as to not attract attention from artillery. That should explain the move to binomes.
Just saying as a former Canadian infantryman who's worked at the section, platoon, company and battalion level. And with the French, British, Americans, Germans, Norwegians, you name it... Three ways of doing things! # 1 You take ALL of your combat support guys, you know, anti-tank, reconnaissance, snipers, assault pioneers, machine gunners, motarmen, split them up and put them into a platoon or rifle company. A bit messed up. # 2 You take ALL of your combat support guys and have an assault pioneer platoon, an anti-tank platoon, a reconnaissance platoon with snipers, a mortar platoon, you name it, and assign them to various tasks. # 3 You throw the org chart out the window! And assign motarmen, machine gunners, anti-tank, assault pioneers, combat engineers and snipers, air defence, you name it, based on requirements. Think Afghanistan. Hate to state the obvious but modern warfare is all about flexibility! Also known as the battle group, combat team, strike force, task force, call it whatever you want. Now, the French are good. But not necessarily better than anyone else when it comes to organizing their troops.
Im surprised by the quality of this video, and its information. Thanks you for the work, it is alot clearer than any other infographie I had seen (In french) this far. Merci!
Infantry used to be a guy with a musket standing in a line formation. Now infantry has to go up against tanks, drones, aircraft, and machine guns. They have better weapons and technology to accomplish this but war seems to keep getting more and more deadly how long until infantry can no longer be effective against the weapons of the future. Or will infantry continue to evolve with special armored suits and weapons.
Well looks like the cold war doctrine came back for round two. Shame the Marines got rid of the scout snipers just like they do before every war before restarting it once things pop off again.
Just found your channel and I already know this will be a HUGE time sink for me. Also, I love your profile picture. It’s a sad reality that whenever I start to like a military or firearms channel I have to wonder “does this person think that many of my friends and family are unworthy of equal respect?” I’m glad that good people like you are out there that do respect other people no matter their identity and you’re not afraid to make that known.
I'm noticing a distinct loss of anti-material capability in these "future fighter" programs. Gone are the heady days of the Cold War when a US infantry squad would have at least 1 LAW per trooper with most having 2 or more being the typical order of the day. Now, going by at least the French, it's at most 3 per PLATOON.
Drones and next gen systems like the Akeron now allow for anti material capability without the need for line of sight, the capability is still here but it entered a new paradigm.