How Gandalf Would BREAK FRODO'S MIND If He Took The One Ring! 🤯 | Lord of the Rings Lore

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@athenahitchin7738 8 месяцев назад

Frodo's failure, would love a video on Frodo's temptation at the crack of mount Doom.

@kevinmoore4845 8 месяцев назад

This makes the significance of Frodo’s willingness to give the Ring to both Galadriel and Aragon even more profound. In the books and the movies, they both were surprised by this action. Frodo was still the master of the Ring each time. It was not until later in the story that the Ring began to master him.

@vintagesteel 2 дня назад

@@kevinmoore4845 that's a really good point

@stitch3163 8 месяцев назад

While I know Prof. Tolkien would deny his use of allegory, the Ring has always symbolized the horrible effects of addiction to me.

@jacobv3396 8 месяцев назад

I've made that connection as well. Easy to see the similarities with the opioid epidemic seen so visible these days.

@stitch3163 8 месяцев назад

@@jacobv3396 I unfortunately had to deal with that following a cervical spine injury that left me partially paralyzed. Tough row to hoe to return to normalcy, but it can be done.

@nathaniellong4281 8 месяцев назад

Don't forget Eru Iluvatar. Tolkien himself said Eru was instrumental in destroying the Ring after Frodo claimed it for himself.

@davect01 8 месяцев назад

One moment that I really appreciate from the films is when Frodo is redressing in the Tower of Cirith Ungol you see the bruising and wear the Ring is having on Frodo. When Frodo speaks of the burden of the Ring it's not just a mental strain but very real.

@skillsmachine9164 8 месяцев назад

The only thing they kind of stuffed up with this is that none of the like happened to bilbo. He didn't keep it with a chain around the neck but still...you'd think something physical and similar would have happened.

@AlyssMa7rin 8 месяцев назад

@@skillsmachine9164the difference is that Bilbo went away from Mordor, and had no intention to destroy the Ring.

@skillsmachine9164 8 месяцев назад

@@AlyssMa7rin a lot of these theories were made up after the books and movies, and not written by tolkein himself. These deep dives are often peoples opinions. I loved the trilogy but did personally think there was some other odd errors

@davect01 8 месяцев назад

@@skillsmachine9164 The Ring was not active while Bilbo had it.

@skillsmachine9164 8 месяцев назад

@davect01 why?

@BeppyTurnip 8 месяцев назад

Sauron embedded part of himself into the ring, and like Sauron, the ring will deceives you. Great Video

@rollinmetzger7392 8 месяцев назад

How sentient was the ring? I’d like to think it was fully ‘aware’ based on how it escaped Isildur. But how aware I cannot nail down. Was the ring actively pursuing a return to Sauron? Or was it just looking for the best suitable host to manipulate. Was the ring behaving reactively like a fish? Or was it trying to return to master when it slipped off into the river. I want to know if that move was calculated or not. I can’t help but think the Ring is on Isildur’s hand thinking “man this guy is bunk. I’ve got to find a better host”. Same with Gollum. The Ring be like, “Here i am. Stranded in the position if this halfling who’s resisting me. Ope, now he’s drug us into the mountains, damn it. Ooo wait I hear a new voice. Better slip outta this pocket real quick. Anything is better than this guy”.

@paulchavez3039 8 месяцев назад

It's a force of nature distilled into an object. How sentient are the tides? How sentient is the concept of domination-- even the domination over evil is still in principle a dark conquest. Evil must ultimately destroy itself, perhaps through providence.

@c.antoniojohnson7114 4 месяца назад

The Ring is sentient, probably on the level of a horse. Don't quote me on this. The Ring did try to escape Bilbo, that's why he kept it on a chain knowing it would change size,it really wanted to go with Boromir. That's why he was ensnared by the Ring almost instantly.

@EricGasz69420 8 месяцев назад

Just had to throw scary Bilbo in there at the end huh? 🎃🍬

@TheBrokenSword 8 месяцев назад

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice 🤣🤣

@alexanderrobertson3548 8 месяцев назад

@@TheBrokenSwordmy word that gave me a fright as I didn't expect it. (sighs)

@TheTableOfDurin 8 месяцев назад

What a great deep dive into this subject. Keep up the amazing work ❤

@TheBrokenSword 8 месяцев назад

Thank you so much!

@TheTableOfDurin 8 месяцев назад

@@TheBrokenSword No thank you both, you have been such a great inspiration to me

@TheRealAndrewMurray 8 месяцев назад

Great video! Thanks for posting! :)

@DamonNomad82 8 месяцев назад

Frodo's "failure" was, IMHO, set the first (and only) time he intentionally, if understandably, used the Ring to dominate another. This happened when Gollum first attacked Frodo and Sam at Mount Doom mere minutes before the Ring's destruction, when Frodo used it to demand that Gollum never touch him again, under pain of being cast into the fires of doom. That was when the Ring won its long battle with Frodo's heroic resistance to its allure. It was only a temporary victory for that glittering, golden little circle of evil, as it joined Gollum in the fire shortly afterward...

@jackcrawford6078 8 месяцев назад

The next time you watch LOTR, do so as if the ring is a drug and it's a story about addiction. It makes Frodo, Bilbo, and even Gollum so much more tragic.

@J44C44 8 месяцев назад

Always have🤯….I’ve watched close friends fall and it is very much the same🤔

@paulsweningson6261 4 месяца назад

I really enjoy your content. Good work

@ahox9283 8 месяцев назад

As soon as gandalf found the ring i think the best course of action would have been to request one of the Vala take it to mordor and destroy it

@user-sd7ri9fy4i 5 месяцев назад

Nice work dude thanks

@ozmozis6073 3 месяца назад

The perfect ring bearer would've been Tom Bombadil who was capable of ignoring the ring. I wonder how that've played out, if Tom took the Ring to Mount Doom and disposed of it?

@thepretzel2 8 месяцев назад

I've had a question about LotR. That being, who could have "wielded" the One Ring? I mean to the effect of destroying the OTHER part of Sauron's soul outside of the One Ring.

@NeganSmash420 8 месяцев назад

It's basically a horcrux

@nothus 8 месяцев назад

What if... Gandalf had vouchsafed all of his concerns about the ring to Frodo before Frodo took possession of the ring (and before the ring began taking possession of Frodo) and had eliminated any risk of it getting its hooks into the lad in the first place?

@mrmeowmeow710 8 месяцев назад

1 hell of a video loved it😀👍👍

@Phoenixryu 8 месяцев назад

I think we already saw what would happen if Gandalf fell to the power of the ring. Saruman is pretty much the answer to that question. The only difference I see is that Gandalf would travel around more so than staying in a tower somewhere.

@jacobgriffiths3405 8 месяцев назад

Yer again, another great video👍🏻 Up the Brohirrim ⚔️

@jacobshore5115 8 месяцев назад

Frodo’s Failure must be discussed! (Though, in effect and essence, it wasn’t that much of a failure at all.)

@lawrencewalston2272 8 месяцев назад

Agreed! He did all he was able to do up to the point where he could no longer resist the will of the ring. The ring, itself, like any other being, was hardwired for self preservation and because of this, it possessed a terrible influence over the bearer or bearers.

@Chalepastel 8 месяцев назад

is there a letter about sam and the toll of the ring or im just trippin? @@lawrencewalston2272

@user-xw3fr6ni7f 8 месяцев назад

Great video keep it up

@john-anderspettersson5919 8 месяцев назад

A very good episode. Thank you. As the ring is essentialy the captured force/soul of Sauron I do believe that Gandalf would have been exposed with magnified sides in his personality with dictatorship, self obsession etc. He says itself when he rejects the ring offering from Frodo, that his intention would be good, but the results would be devistating and evil. Ps Nice of you to have the part on Mental help.

@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615 8 месяцев назад

Mae Govannon Mellon! Keep up the great work! Gandalf broke my mind anyway..

@synystersalazar92 8 месяцев назад

Another precious video 🗡

@aaronboyce6743 8 месяцев назад

Love the video and love the sponser for the video. Middle earth is my escape from my mental health issues.

@rageofinfinity2032 8 месяцев назад

I'd love to see a discussion on Frodo's failure... but if I'm not mistaken, haven't you already made a video on that subject?

@courtneysorensen1239 8 месяцев назад

Hahahha the end scared the crap out of me hahahahaha

@michaelmcanally8468 8 месяцев назад

The One Ring is sentient, maybe even intelligent.

@billbrown9271 8 месяцев назад

Frodo’s failure! Definitely would Love to know more there !

@jcook693 8 месяцев назад

Is the title card bit a little different? It seemed really cool

@spacemanspiff2601 8 месяцев назад

Didn't Gandalf say in the book that he would have become Sauron if he took the ring. Or am I confusing that with the movie. I sometimes regret seeing the movie because it is difficult to remember which is which in some of the more subtle differences.

@ryansauchuk7290 8 месяцев назад

Watch Injustice gods among us to get a sense of what would happen

@charliecochran3035 8 месяцев назад

If I were to hold it against Deodorant, I would say his mistake was that he wasn't mentally prepared to succeed. He never really expected to make it to Mt Doom.

@emrek99205 8 месяцев назад

Wish this were more than mere fan theory. Like if it had any basis in.. well.. anything. Like maybe something from the books or Tolkien interviews or something.

@NeganSmash420 8 месяцев назад

I got the giggles thinking what it would be like to have a Hobbit dark lord. Love yoyr channel

@perishaperishic5502 Месяц назад

what about the combined power of one of the 3 elven rings and the master ring? Even Sauron greatly desired them, for they were made following his recipe but proved to be a source of protection, in other words, a remedy, not a poison, after all.

@yasi1890 8 месяцев назад

Sit back? Relax? How?! You posted a new video!

@javiermagana6364 8 месяцев назад

Hello Fandom. Can someone explain what Toilken meant by saying gandalf would have been worst than Sharon although Gandalf would be righteous?

@TarMody 8 месяцев назад

Every being has a certain tendency due to the nature of creation and a weakness within this tendency. This is the point where the being can be tempted, that is, its weak point. The One Ring exploits this weakness in beings and corrupts them with power. Gandalf's weakness is to do good, and if he tries to get the power he needs to do this through the One Ring, the One Ring will corrupt Gandalf with power and what he thinks he is doing good will actually evolve into evil. Because Gandalf is aware of this, he rejects the One Ring. In Tolkien's mythology, all actions carried out by force and oppression methods other than free will tend towards evil (Melkor's will). For this reason, Gandalf does not take the One Ring from Bilbo by force, but prefers him to leave it of his own free will. In this incident, it is again seen that Gandalf was aware of this phenomenon and acted with foresight. Bilbo's giving up the One Ring is an event that occurs with Bilbo's free will. Until that moment, the One Ring had chosen and left its bearers. Therefore, Bilbo's abandonment of the One Ring can also be interpreted as an event that took place outside the will of the One Ring. In accordance with the principle I defined above in Tolkien mythology (the principle that actions that occur without free will lead to bad consequences for that being), Bilbo's giving up the One Ring led to a bad end for the One Ring, resulting in its destruction. Of course, this is a good result for the good side. (This is a theory)

@MarleyFett 8 месяцев назад

Mental health is paramount.🤗. It is interesting that the ring could not be destroyed willingly. PJ portayed Isildur as weak and I feel that was a betrayal of his character. Not that the movie is one of my favorites. I feel people need to know the facts and lore. Very good stuff here. I enjoy your channel very much.💖

@skillsmachine9164 8 месяцев назад

Granted, isildur didnt have as much background knowledge of the ring as bilbo and frodo got from gandalf and elrond etc...but yes even frodo couldn't do it in the end. He did fail to destroy it, but held on long enough so that luck played its part.

@MarleyFett 8 месяцев назад

@@skillsmachine9164 He realized to late and even admitted that he did not have the power to command it and wished to give to the elves. he explicitedly says it is more than I know my power to bere. The fact Elron did not just chuck him and the ring into mt doom. The reason frodo was stayed from the ring was because he showed pity. and if Elron had did away with isildlur in anger he would in turn doom himself.

@skillsmachine9164 8 месяцев назад

@@MarleyFett elrond* and possibly not if he took at the ring along with isildur as it would no longer admit. But he still would have had to live with the guilt of killing his friend and ally.

@MarleyFett 8 месяцев назад

@@skillsmachine9164 great convos with you friend ✌️💖

@stevefontaine1335 8 месяцев назад

The Broken Sword🗡⚔🗡Do A Video What If Boromir Never Died Video.?🙏🙏🙏

@davepowder4020 8 месяцев назад

So, Sam didn't wear the Ring long enough for it to take such hold upon him? He was able to willingly give up the Ring back to Frodo.

@JakePendleton 8 месяцев назад

Whatever happened to the short film?

@andrewkinslow8725 8 месяцев назад

“It would break his mind”. In other words, Frodo would go full on Gollum if Gandalf just took the ring from him.

@kaidorade1317 8 месяцев назад

Force him to watch season 2 of Rings of Power when it releases?

@williamcullum3522 8 месяцев назад

he would have been Gandalf the black in such a way? who knows it would have been interesting to see how he would turn out to be, Let s Go Destroy Suaron.

@seed_drill7135 8 месяцев назад

If that’s your thing, read Moorcock.

@redsledgeblu5234 8 месяцев назад

Yes. Let us examine Frodos failure.

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I have already subscribed 😊 P.S Frodo's Failure

@patrickbrumm4120 8 месяцев назад

Q: Could Gandalf break Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam's mind?

@Spartan-Of-Truth 2 месяца назад

I just wanted to let y’all know that I’m not going to be helping Sauron build an army worthy of Mordor. He can get bent.

@genXdoom72 8 месяцев назад

Sauron would break Gandalf’s mind

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@lordcline217 8 месяцев назад

Frodos Failure

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Viewer number 420 (literally I'm pretty sure. There was 419 views when I clicked on it) stoned out of my mind and enjoying this vid ridiculously

@TheBrokenSword 8 месяцев назад

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@Brandon-a-writer 8 месяцев назад

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@_RiseAgainst 7 месяцев назад

I think you focused on physical dominance too much, I think Gandalf could also not use his powers to change Froto's mind. Separating the power of the ring from his mind could have literally gave him brain damage. He was free to use logic and suggestion, but only that which was available to anyone with his wisdom level.

@philkugler2429 8 месяцев назад

Wtf man, what was up with that ending? What did i do to deserve that?

@TheBrokenSword 8 месяцев назад

Had to be done for Halloween 🤣

@philkugler2429 8 месяцев назад

@@TheBrokenSword it made me smile. Also, I have a question for you: Do you think that the Balrog of Moria would have been able to come back? Gandalf did, Sauron did, Saruman wanted to. Would the Balrog be any different?

@MountainFisher 8 месяцев назад

@@philkugler2429 Ability granted by Eru, Gandalf was _sent_ back, but the others became spirits gnawing at themselves in bitterness and greed. "Where their thirst is not quenched and the worm dies not." Sauron could not come back after the greater part of him was destroyed in the Ring.

@philkugler2429 8 месяцев назад

@MountainFisher that's what I expected, but I think it would be a cool video. And it raises the possibility of future conflict

@MountainFisher 8 месяцев назад

@@philkugler2429 There is one other Dagor Dagorlad or something like that at the end of ME where they all fight.