The Forgotten Magical Creatures of A Song of Ice and Fire 

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IdeasOfIceAndFire Elephants are well known to recognize death and interact in a ritualistic manner with their dead. And this very probably spans many more different species of different orders outside the primate order.

Yes they do a 3day sad looking heads hung mourning , ive never heard of any animal actually burying the dead however

IdeasOfIceAndFire what would you say is a good book of lovecraft, to start with? I always hear comparison to his books. I'm interested in delving into a good source material.

Clovis and Ravens bury the dead

I agree. Whilst I loved this video, I think these guys may be taking some of the garbled rumour of far off lands a bit too literally. I think a lot of this is “here be dragons” stuff, rather than accurate reportage.

Will Mosse I agree that many of the stories and rumors are likely exaggerated or speak of times long past (the truth of which warped over the aeons), BUT we must also remember that this world *is* populated by fantastical creatures like actual dragons, giants, impish/elfish little forest people, ice men that control dead bodies, sorcerers walking in the skins of beasts, resurrecting noble warriors with some kind of holy fire magic, seers that can peer into past events & influence them to some degree, in order to alter the present moment! Plus All sorts of other crazy things besides! In this context..What is so unbelievable about some strange, rare, unique or magical creatures that still prowl the world in far off lands?

That's am interesting thought

I doubt it.

Ik I'm late but your comment is simply amazing.

That was truly cringe-worthy.

To deal with fish creature we need The Cat if he can be bothered leaving Red Dwarf

Truly lol haha

Hmm "Kraken open a Deep Old one with the boys"

@@rejoyy damn I was going to tell him he really missed an opportunity to say kraken open a deep old one lol

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Amazing.

I never heard this before, wow. Can I have a source?

Could this be the source for the blue 'Sorcerer's Wine'?

@@curtpowell3795 Yes, absolutely. That's not a theory, it's a fact within the text. Dany is told during her time in Qarth that the Warlock's "shade of the evening" comes from those black trees.

@@curtpowell3795 it is

@@curtpowell3795yes that is shade of the evening. I think those trees were weirwoods originally but got mutated after the meteor fell

I recognized that quote from the first line :) lords and ladies is one of my favorite pratchett books.

Another great comparison regarding elves/faerie comes from The Wise Man's Fear from the Kingkiller Chronicles series by Patrick Rothfuss. It describes the difference between men and fae as that between water and alcohol. To paraphrase - both are clear liquids, and in a clear glass bottle may be mistaken for one another. But that is where similarities end; they are as different as can be in every other way. One nourishes and fosters life, the other poisons and corrodes. One quenches fire, the other is flammable.

There's an old Irish folktale, of a Fisherman who hit his wife when he ran out of tobacco and couldn't go to shore in a storm. So these Elves come by riding sea-horses, think horses that walk on water, no inference of fishiness I think. But they rode up to his shore, and took the fisherman to town across the water to get his tobacco. On the way back, they tossed him in the water and made him defecate himself, etc etc. Scared and terrorized him, than brought him back home and told him if he hits his wife again they will come back and beat some ass! So that is one example of their complicated relationship in lore.

The truly remarkable thing is, that Pratchett's version of the elves is the one closest to the original "ælf" from germanic mythology.

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In fact, it's almost certainly we'll never see them. George himself has said about the guy who finished Lovecraft's work after he died that he didn't get the point and that he should've let the mysteries of the Lovecraft world remain mysteries because they were more effective that way.

@@Alpha1200 In all fairness, Lovecraft also tended to tell rather than show and would take ideas from others and over-explain them. Also, it was a group of his friends who continued to make Cthulhu mythos stories, no single person took over after he died.

@@Tacityoshi1234 George referred to a single person whom he blamed for what I laid out. Also, I'm simply explaining what George's opinion is so far as I understand it, not my own. So if you disagree, I suggest you take it up with George. Either way it doesn't matter though, because George's take is: After Lovecraft died that guy overexplained things that should've remained vague, if he hated that I doubt he'd do the same thing. That was my point.

You’re dumb af

Giraffes will do something similar as well!

And elephants. They even recognize the skeletons on dead relatives as they migrate through places where they died.

They also steal people's children when they lie and steal other people's husbands and can't hold up their end of the deal about having their babies so they just steal other people's babies...... then try to turn those babies into her slaves

@@Amanda-cd6dm Um, what?

Correcting other people while spelling it “per say” huh

and some people say this demonstrates early religious tendencies in other mammals, giving a somewhat explanation to why humans created religion. to comfort ourselves in the face of death/showing respect to the dead while their 'souls' live on

Did tk oe that but somehow i find it extremely hopeful and sad.

@@agustasister5624 What is sad about it ?

Harry D there’s videos on RU-vid of Elephants burying their dead and a lot of stuff online about it.

I paused tha video and scrolled down to tha comments to find this information Thanks

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Acko Manah also the ancient aliens guy

It is known.

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Jeremiah P I meant to distinguish between nocturnal and cave dwelling, because yes you are correct.

we all slip over the details, yall are still smart Dudes!

You do know some caves actually create it's own unnatural light in some caves that's been proven how the light created is sometimes never figured out and some have been so no that statement is inaccurate about cave beings just saying.

If you actually own a cat, and I do, you'll realise they get very active around early dawn and late dusk, as they would hunt in the twilight if we didn't feed them pouches of fish in gravy. Believe me a healthy cat still has those instincts. She was rescued from our garden and was a little sad and non engaging when we first got her with no hunting wish, mainly because her previous idiot owner we contacted never treated her hernia and fleas.

Troglodytes

Narrowly defeating the Russian army!

@@d.m.collins1501 they have legends of the ancient hero, Azul Queso

@@crisdes7260 who came from the strong keep called Garlic Castle

I'm in general agreement here

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I wouldn't refer to vampires as bloodless personally, but more as bloodsucker, bat, leech, undead or nightwalker. Bloodless would be their victims.

I thought of robots... or some kind of automatons/golems. Or some Wights.

@@TheLastSoundNL some incarnations of vampires have as being so pale its as if they had no blood

The Roose is loose!

Vampires would be full of blood.

This is actually a really good theory! Because it's said somewhere that wights do have some memory of their past life. So that maybe explains why adults and older children only turn into wights because it's more difficult to actually turn them into white walkers due to their memories and identity they have built up, they might fight against it more than simply just being turned into a wight. Cool idea!

@@kirstycoo97 The possibility that it's difficult to make adult White Walkers might mean that Coldhands is an important person. Not Benjen or the Night's King or whatever, but someone else we haven't met yet.

CR Smyth awesome idea!

exactly what I think. They live "....within the Mountains of the Morn" why not leather hang gliders from mountain tip to mountain tip

Honestly surprised they didn’t say dragon riders

People crossed with bats? Someone did this sort of magical aided cross-breeding in the past I believe.

I think this is a subtle reference to Windhaven, GRRM & Lisa Tuttle's science fiction novel. He has been known to reference his other work in the past eg. Bakkalon

ferniek5000 makes the most sense, which is why EVERY character in ASOIAF that has been North always says everything feels different up there... even the gods feel different

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The greenseers are sleeping there? Southerners feel strange around the weirwoods. I think the old gods are the old ones

Right on Melanie! Glad you enjoyed it!

In Dreamquest of Unknown Kadath Nyarlothotep resides in Kadath at the end though, and he's a sort of avatar of Azathoth, the most powerful outer god of them all.

IdeasOfIceAndFire Ha. They overshot when naming the more local entities so when the time came to refer somehow to the primordial, celestial beings they were stuck. Like "greater older ones..?"

Niether elder God's.

I would like you to clarify why two minutes into this video you assume the children of the forest look like they do because of "evolution, adapting to their environment", citing evolution in the real world. Evolution is a THEORY, it is NOT a scientifically proven fact. One species turning into another in order to adapt to their environment has never been recorded. Very presumptuous, dishonest, and you are projecting what you WANT to be fact instead of admitting the truth. That you don't know.

@@porkflaps4717 scientific theory doesn't mean what you think it means

EvanSol919 The Starks are wargs bc a King of Winter killed the Warg King of the Neck and married his daughter.

Salamon2 Interesting. Elephants also tend to return to the site of a fallen flock member to engage in collective mourning. I believe a number of primates also venerate the bodies of their dead. In general, I believe the consensus among biologists and scholars of religion is moving towards a view where death rituals (and religious rituals in general - cf. the chimpanzee waterfall dance) are not at all something uniquely human. Similarly, a number of species, e.g. whales and dolphins, exhibit signs of culture. That is, they have practices (songs, hunting methods) that spread in fashions by learning-the way human culture does-rather than being determined by genotype etc. The bad news in all this is that resurrecting extinct species becomes less viable. We might be able to restore animals with mammoth genotype and phenotype, but mammoth culture is forever lost. For a good recent book on animals and religion, read 'Religious Affects' by Donovan Schaefer.

Cool, thanks for the info guys! I love learning about animal intelligence - we keep finding they are smarter than we thought. :)

Leaving tokens by the body is probably more a desperate way to encourage an 'ill' group member to keep going... Wait a minute... is THAT how funeral rituals started?

Growing up I had two generations of crows spend a lot of time with me. The first I was 7 or 8 . A crowd chick had fallen from its nest into the river where I grew up. I waded in and scoped it up. Raised that bird. Every year it came back perched on the same fence cawed and waited for me to come visit. It would hop on my shoulder and clean my hair. 5 years or so later it cawed I came out this time it and it's mate were there, I was introduced now there were two. Their chicks hatched again I was introduced while they were fledglings. That family murder came back and visited every year until I left at 20 years old. If they will do that I'm damn sure they will have habits or ritual for the dead.

Also, a primeape is a Pokémon

More like the sketchy uncle's of the forrest

Haha

Weak

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Wrong wrong wrong.

thanks Danii

:D I live just north. Its truely breathtaking.

Danii Lyric what’s killing it

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Here in the UK we have a massive network of connected mycelium of the fungus, psilocybe semilanceata. It stretches from the Black Mountains in Wales , South to Bodmin Moor in Cornwall, and North as far as the Yorkshire Moors. All one huge connected organism.

@Saurabh Wadhwani to be fair Tolkeins works are the same, the Silmarillion, the Hobbit and the lord of the rings are all supposed to be works in universe. in his letters Tolkien even mentions this, the Silmarillion is supposed to be written by the elves and its events have been warped by time and nostologia.

Just like the Bible

Cool info man, thanks. "Abdul Alhazred," huh? Azor Ahai the Red?

I underestimated Howard's work because of the movies and comics that came out the past 20 years, but his work in and off book from almost 100 years ago was revolutionary

Literally 4 years later........I noticed the Scottish myth and lore influences in GRRM's works just recently. Glad Im not the only one! Cheers from 2022

What if Garth is an Agricultural Fertility God that exists in farming cultures.

@@covenawhite4855 Most likely considering he is said to have fathered a lot of children from maidens, make crops grow plentiful and sprout lots of seeds. Guy has a big bag of seeds and probably ploughed a lot, in more ways than 1 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

A man has a point...

Mostly yes but they do sense weakness and will expand territory when they have to, like with the orc Stronghold that was under attack since they were cursed and weaker

The giants have also apparently had civil relations with other races, like the Dwemer.

Disliked your comment, too.

Yeah this is even better than most videos that discusses the topics by showing a lot of the art visuals representing the topics they talk about

Ocean man, take me by the hand...

Angelina Ahai does it sound like the Old ones sound a lot like volcanoes simulator to the 14 flames?

Angelina, is your dads name Azor?

Akinlolu Oderinde Yes, Yes it is, but controversially Nissa Nissa is not my Mum 😜

😁Glad to hear that. Still, warn her to be wary of scenarios involving bare breasts and swords 😉

Game of Thrones ASMR 😂

Cameron Charles rest in peace Roy Dotrice

Cameron Charles absolutely💖

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Cameron Charles Roy Dotrice...

Is that the annoying guy who never shuts up in any of their communal videos and who seems quite taken with his own opinions?

Holy roast

Tigers and ligers can breed with lions tho.

Gelaar Veer oooh maybe a more primitive aggressive children of the forest.

Gregory Draheim I think you’re on the something buddy

Targaryens are historically known for producing twisted, monsterous, stillborn offspring, likely due to their incestuous Valaryan origins.

@@josharntt and sure whatever else their deal is

That's cool... and of course Elephants are very smart. I love animal intelligence, it's a fascinating topic. That's one of the reasons I have pet parrots!

Magpies, and Crows as well.

+Roland Deschain Yeah Magpies have these odd funerals involving sitting with the dead and unconfirmed reports of laying grass near the bodies. Crows have odd reactions to dead crows that are similar but less than magpies.

Crows and Ravens are smart as fuck. Look up some youtube videos on it.

But as people we will do it anyway. Expecially when someone creates a world that feels this real. Also Tolkien work is way to whimsical and at some points makes no sense.

Yeah he would rather talk about the food on the dinner table.

That's all assuming that authorial intent even means anything in literature-- most critics today agree that it doesn't, and I think we can extend that from "literary" fiction to fantasy. The World of Ice and Fire is a living work-- a system of myth that other authors can and will continue to expand upon without Martin. If GRRM died tomorrow (God forbid, naturally), another equally adept writer-- Gaiman or Mieville, let's say-- could easily get permission to publish a group of short fiction in this universe. And fan fiction, while not "canonical", is still valid. If ASOIAF is something that captivates and engages the creative talents of an individual, then its THEIR legacy by right of the collective unconscious. I don't think waiting around for Martin to answer these questions is logical or really necessary. Why is Asshai under-populated and made of oily black stone? Is the World of Ice and Fire round- with the Sunset Sea leading back to the Saffron Straits? What caused the Doom? GRRM doesn't have to answer these questions for me or for you. If you're engaged with these narratives to such an extent that you concern yourself with these intriguing loose ends, then YOUR creative responses are as valid as anyone else's. And if you honestly believe Martin will NEVER write about The City of Winged Men or the Grey Waste or whatever else you think is captivating but overlooked, you should write it yourself. A copyright isn't a magical weapon and doesn't bestow some sacrosanct authority upon the one who possesses it. Your landlord may own your apartment building, but its still YOUR home. Hang a damn Rothko print on the wall and put in all the shelves your heart desires. Life is short. This will all be public domain in a few decades anyway and then you'll be able to do whatever you please. And the world, like any fantasy universe, belongs to the readers already. Fantasy has a populist lineage of belonging to EVERYONE-- like folktales and epic poetry. It's bigger than one bearded novelist from Chicago-- and I'm sure he knows that. Just food for thought.

Questioning/extrapolating from an esoteric story based on the evidence that you have available is what historians do. History is incomplete and always becomes mythologized because no one was ACTUALLY THERE to witness 99.9999% of all things that ever occurred. I just see these kinds of videos as a sort of historical analysis of the world that exists within the books.

Ideas may just be insane. He believes that the world of Ice and Fire is controlled by Cthulhu. Nothing wrong with that, but come on. He may be overthinking this.

Lightwish Light I liked the Ilithid art.

why only boy babies?

Thanks brother!

Gigantism and dwarfism is kind of a misnomer as it's more of a tendency for animals to grow into a medium sized animal. For usually small species this means their island cousins may appear large whereas for usually large species their island cousins may appear small. Meaning one species would be relatively unlikely to develop into two very distinct sizes. But of course being on an island is just one factor of many. But it always striked me as odd that the Lengii, living in a jungle, would be tall, that seems to be a disadvantage. Then again they're kinda magical, so who cares😅