How Good Is It? My Thoughts After 200 Cycles of Spaced Out DLC Oxygen Not Included 

in space, nobody can hear you scream... except for the person sitting next to you, please be considerate, nobody likes a screamer

I'm currently going through your backlog (I'm watching the Ultimate Automation series atm), so forgive me if this idea is out of date. I wanted to suggest doing a series along the lines of "Dupe Resort" basically a set ratio of dupes were part of the rich elite and are joining the group to be pampered and cared for. The goal of the series is to setup a large section of the base that functions as The Resort, an area that has no work related machines or infrastructure, pipes and wires have to be hidden, the place has to be beautiful throughout, etc. A ratio (like 1/3rd or something) are to live exclusively there and enjoy the amenities, doing no work themselves. This creates some interesting restrictions on design, pushes towards automation without forcing it, and creates an incentive to grow your colony because you need a decent number of resort goers (it'd be lame to just have 1 or 2), plus a team to support them.

I really hope the space biome gets a visual overhaul, it looks really bad with those backwalls

glad you brought up wall paper. was beginning to wonder who you were

With the asteroids this small Francis John will have everything excavated by cycle 50

Loving the play through, cant wait till it comes out to everyone.

Brothgar: "I tend to play the game a little bit slower" Me, taking 100 cycles to get a not even a nearly workable environment Brothgar gets in less than 30 cycles: '-'

00:23 Brothgar:"My thought so far are very positive" Turner: *Meh*

This opens the door for multi-player in which others can farm resources before you... ultimately leading to combat. Make it more 4x like, where developing is not just you vs the environment but also you vs the pressure of time from others.

Hopefully Klei will consider some of your tips 👍

brothgar's electricity wire +10k : iam fine nb my electricity wire 1001 : iam gonna explode

Thanks for the overview. Can't wait to play with glowing harmful substances.

Actually i feel like the oxygen mask was made for areas with high levels of slime lung or other types of disease.

As far as i can see the dlc encourages/forces you to move to new asteroids to gain resources rather than you focus on producing a self sustaining base in the starting map.

hmmm, imagine if Klei added space station modules, then the ultimate end game goal would be to build a self sustainable space station base along with self sustainable ground bases also I agree, to me the oxygen mask system is a bit too overpowered/unbalanced currently, holds too much oxygen

It is only one map of approximately standard size. Sweep commands on the right of the first asteroid are visible in the darkness on the left of the others.

These are my favourite of your videos. You, talking. Brothgar the man, not brothergar the cutscene over the top RU-vid character. Keep it up... Like this!

Yup pretty much agree with everything. No more maps without tungsten, missing important geysers, not enough lime for steel, sending rockets very far away to bring back a handful of rare resources, waiting and more waiting, using high ammount of dupes just to make it go faster. Leaving astronaut dupes in a rocket for 100's of cycles cause getting them back in is a chore. Yup I'm really enjoying this dlc!

Hey Brothgar, I was really interested in your Automated Incubator design, so I built it myself, and then realized it doesn't need the Memory Toggle as is. It can be built similarly to the way you did, but just without that part, and it still works fine. You can even alter it a little to it make it even more compact, which lets incubators be built even closer together! :D

Can't agree more, I've been part of the testing and you are spot on this DLC has a lot to offer to all players new and old.

I can never make it into mid game before I get bored or my computer decides to set itself on fire

I miss asteroids. All that free filtration medium.

I agree. While playing the DLC, I find that rather than rushing to do the same things and making the same kind of choices in slightly different ways the new style gives you a lot of choices on how to survive. One thing I decided to do was to just deal with all of the polluted oxygen in the starting biome, and the large negatives that comes with that decision, just to have an easy way to have easy breathability while I tend to some other things. As I'm playing I feel free to tackle different aspects of the game in my own way at my own pace rather than, for instance, rushing electrolyzers or rushing to find a natural gas geyser.

Can you confirm me if the game has this features: -- More way to cooling, aquatuner is very expensive, also require a lot of space and steam turbine to work without get overheat. -- Cooling in vacuum and space, if I need isolate something don't get overheat without a fluid medium. -- More plants and ways to get a greenhouse. I started play the game again a few weeks ago, and Sleet wheat is give me crazy. Is very hard handle with temperature for me. -- A door that can maintain isolated areas. I have more questions, but I think this is the most important for me, other I got answer watching you.

Sulphur finally being useful is awesome

Some really great thoughts. I just got access to the DLC beta earlier today and played about 30 cycles on a map. I'm definitely seeing a lot of what you're pointing out for myself. Immediately upon starting up I was just completely enthralled by the new biome. It felt like a really gentle start to the game in terms of oxygen yet still really challenging in terms of managing critical resources like water and other consumables. I found myself exploring a lot more a lot sooner, which is really part of the magic of the game if you ask me. That sense of pulling back the veil as you dig further and further out. Even just 30 cycles into the DLC I am seeing some of the pain points plus some of my own. The lack of a tech tree queue is something I think the developers really need to address. Perhaps do it like Factorio where it's an option set when you generate the map and defaults to off. That way experienced players can turn it on and just rip into the tech at a pace they're more comfortable with. I will say I'm not a fan of the deodorizers requiring power now and how much heat they generate, though I can see how it balances out compared to the base game given how space is so cold now. That was always something that really bugged me, how space was 300+ degrees Celsius because of the meteors coming in hot. I found getting food production up and running really challenging compared to the base game simply because there's fewer seeds buried in the starting biome. Maybe I just got a bad RNG roll, though. Farming definitely is a skill I will invest in sooner on my next game. That bonus chance to get new seeds seems a lot more important now, which is good as it guides which order you should invest in skills a bit more than the base game. That's my thoughts on the DLC besides what you covered yourself. Love your content, by the by. Keep producing the good stuff!

To be fair, even in the current game space is very cold. It's just that most players "discover" the space biome early, maybe by accident, but that activates meteors. You don't need to break into it, just reveal a part of it. I usually don't bother. But sometimes I take advantage of that. I avoid going too close, keeping the space biome inactive, then when I have 32t of steel and a small army of builders, I go for a full bunker door cover as fast as possibile. That means very few meteor hit the surface and all the mafic rock, granite and most importantly regolith is cold. -30C cold. I mine it all and move it to a suitable place. That's tons of filtration medium stored. Then I setup the 'standard' hot regolith management, so that the two type of regolith (-30C and 300C) don't mix. If you activate space and don't do that, it gets hot really fast. Finally, the lack of meteor in alpha is intended to help test the rockets I believe. They don't plan to remove them. Edit: the masks works exactly the same as suits as far as the oxygen they carry. The amount the station holds is similar to the one one dock holds (200kg). I don't see any difference as far as the quantity of oxygen is involved. Also 75kg of polluted oxygen are not going to last a cycle. The problems with the station are: - it seems the don't allow dups with a mask go thru... that's not how checkpoints work. If a dup already has a mask the station should let them thru; - when dups remove the masks they are dropped and can't be used unless you manually assign them. The second one isn't much a deal. The first one is as there's no way around it. There's no mechanism in the game to detect if a dup has a mask. To deal with the current state is possible but cumbersome. Yet this is my strategy. The best place to deploy the mask station is right outside the barracks. You give every dup a mask for the rest of the day. They remove it at night. Yes a bit of oxygen is going to be released next to the cots which isn't a bad thing. You can do this early on with polluted oxygen. 75kg of pO2 is 20 hours of breathing, so it seems this might be the intended way to use the masks.

Have over 2k hours on main game and I'm really enjoying not having to concentrate making massive industry and dealing with that vs maintaining multiple small bases and figuring out priorities between them.

I look forward to a mod where you can build a giant star-base that's in orbit of a planet :D

Regarding the Oxygen Mask Station breaking down when in a vacuum: Until the devs decide to program the machine to automatically shut down when oxygen levels drop down too low, a player would have to use some automation wiring to automatically shut down the machine (or cut power to it) whenever oxygen is absent (such as if another gas, like carbon dioxide, is present), and when gas pressure is too low. (This would probably require a gas element sensor, a gas pressure sensor, an AND gate, and a NOT gate.)

From the figures on the rocket. You divide the total engine power by the rocket burden this gives you the speed and range of the rocket with the fuel you have. Obviously you can't go further than 2 tiles with the rocket power you have. Much like the base game it's all about power to weight or in this case burden. On a side note i got the base game and hadn't a clue about how to play lost many a colony until i found your channel. I've spent countless hours building and automating everything possible, and always you come up with new ways to approach problems the game throws at you. Keep up the good work so i can poach your designs for my own bases. Sorry this turned into an essay.

Good to know. I reached a point in the base game where the work/reward broke down for me. It was fun getting to a certain point, but then there didn’t seem like enough to do to justify the effort needed. Ex: building 500 million tons of asteroid protection. I think I’ll get this DLC and play again.

heres a thought: a base entirely made of rockets, for space effieciency. It would have duplicant areas, ranching areas, possibly light industry, and would generally make a good way to keep as much stuff in the smallest possible area

I haven't played the DLC yet. But one think I am looking forward to is the fact that with more planets, I can feel a bit more free to try experiments without having to worry about destroying my current base. e.g. If i want to try and build a sour gas boiler (but have never done so before), I can try it on a mostly empty planet, and don't have to worry about killing all the dupes in my main colony if I don't manage the heat or let too much sour gas into my base.

Pro tip, dig all uranium then drop it into a vaccum room so when radiation update comes you are all ready :v

I really hope different asteroids have different illumination, where far out asteroids make solar power nearly pointless so you need to look elsewhere for power generation.

Siiiii, Yesss finally a new video

I think there could be more challenges for survival, like wild hostile critters, big critters, bit hives, etc

Sulphur should be produceable from Natural Gas. What I’d like to see is a Gas Separation Tower which takes in Sour Gas or Natural Gas and outputs Hydrogen, Sulphur, Water, and Petroleum in various ratios. Perhaps even add in a new plastic Cellulose which can be produced from Hydrogen & Water. This whole system would make Plastic much more available, and make it less mutually exclusive with Power

I can't be sure, but, if each asteroid is smaller I'm guessing that contributes heavily to the improved performance. Now all the pathing calculations aren't exploding exponentially as much and only one location needs to be rendered at a time. Assuming that's the case it's doubly brilliant since it also creates more entertaining interactions in the gameplay.

I think the main thing with Frames, is all the different bases aren't rendering the other bases which might help

Do you think with how this new planet system works, Klei might look into creating a multiplayer version of the game ? Imagine playing multiplayer and having others ship you resources etc. Of course there would be no time control.

Oh man, ive just gotten back into this game. Looking at getting the dlc. All i need now is brothgar to come back. No one else matches his energy and quality of videos.

if they made is so that you had to actively cool your solar panels that were exposed to space to prevent them from overheating maybe that would pose the additional challenge you are looking for that you lost with the absence of the meteor threat (im ignoring the glass thing for now)... though the biome below it being super cold doesn't help my case also i wonder how this would effect shine bug reactors if it was a thing

I really like that they removed meteor shower for mid game its more of annoyance, you need telescope but it get hit my super hot meteor it broke and overheat, vacuum has no heat transfer. And in late game what you do is basically looking at slideshow and plan your next build project.

What do you think about teleporting to a second planetoid for free ? I feel like it takes away from space exploration and is kind of disjointed from the rest of the dlc, but I'm interested in your thoughts.

I suspect one of the reasons for the many small asteroids is related to the performance. The original game was pretty much constrained to a single CPU, now you can have a bunch of smaller asteroids to farm out to different CPUs as they're largely independent. The inactive ones also can be completely removed from the audio and visual logic. Since all of them (seem to be)/are smaller, no dupes need to plan LONG routes or check tonnes of possible chores to work on. That it adds more variety and choices to a single game is almost a bonus ;)

My 3000 cycle base with a 10kg/s sour gas boiler and 32 dupes and automation everywhere in the "normal" game runs vastly smoother in the last base game update they just released. I went from about ~10-15 fps max to usually having 30 fps almost always, unless I've got my insane plumbing overlay on.

I just noticed the info tab for radium. I was really confused by "It is necessary in some forms of food production." Then I realized that it's using the dirt info in its place.

I am really curious about performance! especially about the multiple worlds and everything - would love to see how it performs late game especially with your creations!

Wallpaper- does not add to or subtract from any insulation at all, made from one Reed fiber, and must be placed over drywall. Edit- only +1 decor at the tile location.

the last thing you said about the midgame hump is so very true. in the basegame, the midgame hump is the point where I start to lose interest and where I have just started a new colony plenty of times. in the dlc that's the point where I start new colonies and fly around a lot, which keeps things fresh. The further away you travel from your starting asteroid, the more hostile the conditions get and I've already had dupes die from underpreparing for colonization efforts. The DLC has a lot of bugs and some of them are annoying, but man is it fun to play.

The grubgrubs either need a different food or sulfur needs to be renewable easily. Which right now doesnt feel like it, it feels like a temporary solution to a permanent problem that has no alternate fix (that is, the plant growth thing)

I'm mostly curious if all the things made renewable via the old space program are still renewable in the new DLC? I enjoy the idea of renewable ressources, and the idea of finite ressources really gives me anxiety lol

Love the playthrough I got the 1k like

Some more tests I think need performed; If a cockpit is deconstructed what happens to its contents, gases and all their temps? Dupes and critters inside could be lost to the void. The contents of storage containers vanishing not to be dropped?! Ahh!! Too many weird edge cases! Can a dupe wear an environment suit and a gas mask at the same time?

I *LOVE* my 3000 cycle long term vanilla home asteroid games and the additional desert/ocean/volcano options to vary the play a bit. If that's changed I'd probably be pretty upset. The game has been "overwhelmingly positive" through it's life because of what it has become in it's current state. That said - this looks super fun! It's a DLC so I'm hoping it doesn't alter the base game too much but just gives another game mode option. It's such a different way to play from the hunker down and long-term strategy that I currently play. It'll add a way to just add some interesting variety.

Nothing on the fact that polluted oxygen makes you breath in more or that chlorine makes your skin irritated? I wonder what natural gas and sour gas will do to our dupes when they do not wear an exostuit :) Also, and I noticed in that video: I wonder if there are new painting and sculpture that can be done in the DLC.

MEEP BUDDY!, I AM SO HUNGRY!!!

Really hope they can code the game so the different planetoids run on different cores (maybe dual core per map?). This could help the game scale up to multiple planets without dropping fps.

oh, forgot about the cloud saves... are they preparing for a mobile launch? like make ur base, check on it on ur phone?

Keep up the good work, looking forward to trying the update. Have you checked if they changed any of the mechanics for your machines? Tweaks to heat capacity or material constants could make things break, or work better.

I for one are really curious about the new biomes as well as the radiation mechanic. The fact that they will apparently add corium and hazmat suits lets me think "surely, nothing can go horribly wrong" in a really pleasant way. I am sceptical about the new space mechanics, though. Part of it was grindy, yes, but I always liked the notion of mastering an utterly hostile environment with tech scales larger than what you built before. Like accidentally cooking half a biome with the exhaust of your petroleum rocket. I just hope this doesn't get completely marginalized when you can just dig up there in less than 100 cycles and stuff the entire surface with solar panels in another 100.

The most important question: will the QOL stuff be in the base game, without buying the DLC? Do we have to deconstruct and reconstruct every single modul in a rocket in the basegame? Will the "cell counter "mod"" be included in the basegame? Questions over questions

The sugar engine looks like three rolls of Necco wafers. Klei should really look at the mods and the popularity of them. Buy the mods or hire the developers. I'm looking forward to the DLC too...

I can't wait for spaced out to be finished. I loved oxygen not included, though, I was a little bummed out by the game performance in early access. So this time I'm waiting for the actual finished game before buying it

A sour gas boiler that processes 10 Kg/s of petroleum produces as a byproduct 3.3 Kg/s of sulfur, which equals to 2000 Kg per cycle. Thanks to this DLC, natural gas processing now produce energy, oxygen and even food, all of them are completely renewable!!

cold is the new hot, also cant wait for nuclear reactors

Funny how the beginning of the video is all about the lack of sulfur, when in my map, I teleported to an asteroid with 2 sulfur geysers, which I didn't know what to do with

Good effective review.

I have to counter your performance observations: I've got a 10 year old system 3.2GHz quad core 8GB system ram. The DLC alpha is using about 1½ - 1¾ times the amount of ram compared to the base game and I'm dipping to sub 30 fps after around cycle 35 (typically was not seeing sub 30 until cycle 200 - 300 with the base game).

I've noticed a performance boost too ( even with the cheaty stuff I do)

ive got a golden ticket :D i actually got selected for the alpha

It's freaking amazing !

Woah! That oassie map you showed is COOL!

Needs a new video on the now-released DLC :( :)

Wallpaper IS amazing!

I feel there should be an option to pipe oxy into mask station... then again i guess it wouldn't make much difference if i just drop oxy right on top of it when entire asteroid is fully pressuresed too.

sulfur can be produced in massive quantitys if you supercool sour gas turns it into solid methane and sulfur

Maybe the gas mask might be more useful for sending a dupe from a rocket to an uncolonisd planet since doing the checkpoint,pump and atmosuit dock takes a lot of space?

The ability to click a resource in the resource menu and find some in the item form seems to be missing

it plays really well doesnt it, i went 200 cycles yesterday, my pc took it like a trooper it does feel totally new and unique, makes you feel like a noob again, theres a little too much water round the starting areas, makes any plans you have to a prefab a bit harder to implement but she plays like iv got a new PC, can honestly say cycle 200 with 10+ dupes and it runs like a fresh game. can it really be the asteroids were lagging us to hell

If you click on the rocket on the base view I think I saw you could change the rocket's name...

The biggest flaw, and most annoying aspect of the game is how they handled transitions. It's kind-of a pain to go back and forth, and without having a "safe base", where nothing can go wrong... It makes going to a new place, even harder. It's easy to go there, forget you have everyone doing things on the other place, and suddenly they are dead, without warning, when you switch screens. At the point where you switch locations, they should stop simulating the other locations. Then, limit your interactions to a maximum of an hour... So, when you go back to the other place, no time has passed, and you can only advance an hour, until you are "caught-up"... Then jump to another location or just go back and forth. It's not like there is a direct interaction between locations. (Unless you are transporting things back and forth. But then you use that as the time-flip. You go back and play up to that point of the transfer, then move forward past that.) Of all the things they never fixed... Thermal dynamics are still broken. Contents of pipes lose heat, or cold, but they don't alter the areas they pass through, equally. Gasses still don't "flow" right. gasses have trouble flowing through vents, ladders, storage containers, etc... and in opposition to "pressure", they "flow" more erratic in high pressure, where they should be flowing like water. Carbon still rises, randomly and fails to fall down, at times. Steam doesn't rise, or spread correctly. Liquids are still buggy. They don't always show, in puddles, even though a puddle is there. (You can sweep it up, but it just looks like CO2 on the ground, that never goes away.) There is still no way to "remove infected items" from storage. It's really an "all or nothing" thing, and no option to NOT store infected things. Ways we once used to manage germs, now all of a sudden don't work, or they barely work. The tree is all messed-up, with odd, undesirables nested inside "needed" tech. They have you researching "parts" of a rocket, before you can even use anything related to rockets. The area is so small, where I always start... and its always surrounded by uber-hot zones. It lost the casual component, because you are always chasing your tail, trying to survive, which is impossible if you are a new user and a struggle if you are use to the base-game. Why they forced this to be a separate game, is beyond me. It's essentially V2 of the game, and its built like a long mini-game, for advanced players. Oh, and some things you can build through, at angles... (Like building a corner of where a wall intersects a floor... but sometimes that same corner is "unreachable", and you, annoyingly, have to deconstruct a block, then wait for them to build the corner, before rebuilding that block you deconstructed. Horrible micro-management that still ends-up leading to death of a character, when you least expect it.) I still have dupes standing on a block they are destroying, even though there is a clear space to stand, beside it... Leading to them falling into a death-pool of boiling water or oil... Out of shear stupidity, road-runner and buggs-bunny style. (Standing on the branch you are cutting down, hanging over a cliff. Or building a block where your head is, while you are standing IN the space that the block will soon occupy.) Not counting all the stupid dupes that die, because they would rather stand in death-chilling or boiling waters, doing some stupid task, instead of walking to a cozy spot for a break. But they will run half way across the screen for fresh air, when it isn't even needed! (Running right past every pocket of fresh air, along the way.) Or worse... completely ignoring your priorities to stop and sweep-up a pile of sand, to bring it half way across the map, instead of refilling a generator with coal, that was sitting right next to them. Or, ignoring that coal on the ground, only to go get one from across the map, or complain that there is none available, because it isn't in a container.

Brothgar: currently Polluted Mud when heated up turns into polluted oxygen Meaning tons of Polluted Oxygen

@Brothgar, If I just got the alpha-- or beta now I guess and want to keep my save when it comes out on early access will I be able to?

One thing I'm curious about: what happened to the meteor showers? Will they be on other planets? Or is that as a mechanic gone altogether now?

It would be interesting how many of your cores are being used. Perhaps each asteroid is assigned its own core since the game never has to display more than one at a time.

I have mixed feeling on what I see so far versus the base game. Some of the new stuff looks fun but not a fan of the tiny asteroids. Maybe something between these and the base game size. I enjoy some of the engineering challenges and hope the later content on that end will be fun, since it seems to be lacking now. I'm hopeful an looking forward to trying the DLC.

Would it not be cool if the warp piper out/ input could transfer electricity so you could connect your powergrid and have for example. 1 planet just for power produktion that distributes power to the othwr colonies. (Were u could have 1 for food and farms and others for living etc.) Thaughts?

Maybe make a short video on how to improve game performance, for people who might be running ONI on a flaming potato.

Remember when brothgars channel got hacked? Well it just happened to the animation channel named ZAMINATION I'm so pissed right

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i cant hold myself back when it comes to dupe count, as i always end up with like 5 dead dupes and 40 others by cycle 100

Maybe let the Slugs eat Radium and produce lots of power

sugar rocket=smarties

How is power getting into the cockpit batteries? can you feed the rocket platform power or something?

I love Oxygen not Included 2.0

"I think what you're seing here can be done in less than the amount of time that i've played the game" Yes, i imagine most people can get to that point before 2500 hours.

Uhm, regarding food, why would you waste time on that early food when it's capped at +3, you will be switching food type and unless the grub food has an advanced version you will be making the other foods instead, so the sulfur stuff is NEVER going to be an end game "problem".