How Good Was PRIME Alexander Ovechkin Actually? 

Redefined being a forward

really good, the best overall in his prime was Jaromir Jagr, better at talent stuff than Mark Messier, just not as much a leader. And MORE robust by a lot than Wayne Gretzky. To me Jagr stands as the ultimate modern player. Nobody compares to me

Um didn’t he play in the same era as Sidney Crosby? Who is arguably one of if not the best all around player?

I feel like the closest thing we have to prime Ovi is Mackinnon. Both run people over like freight trains

Mackinnon doesnt hit as much as ovechkin. Ovechkin hits a lot@@noahbrown6961

NO i am better than oven cicken

Some people thought Crosby was better, but he couldn't play cause he had a headache. My girl whines about headaches too

its not a left wingers job to the most "complete".

What do you think a winger should do? 😂😂😂 He has just been doing his job

@@RunForPeace-hk1cu exactly! People who compare him to all NHL centers like Crosby are idiots. They play completely different positions.

It’ll never be the same again, but honestly our prospect pool is looking promising with Miroshenchenko, Leonard and Chesley, same goes for our younger guys on the roster already like McMichael, Lapierre and Sandin. It’s looking like the eventual rebuild isn’t going to be as brutal as I imagined it a few years back, but we’ll have to wait and see lol

Same

We’re going to cry for a week straight

Cry lol

i'll cry like a baby when he retires.

tell me about it all those people who say he is selfish and doesn't pass couldn't be more wrong and they just say stuff out of pure stupidity and ignorance

@@ethanparker7900 that pass to kuz for the win vs the penguins will live in my heart forever

@@TheDCGuitar13 yessirr that is a perfect example of what an underrated passer he is

I don't forget nothing I'm a Stanford Grad (IQ 151) whose field of expertise is stattiscal forensics. Ovi is a horrendous +44 in 19 seasons as an NHL player (Context Gretzky is +520 one on one) 73% of Ovi's[points came on the power He was a 5 on 5 even strength disaster Hey DCGUITAR care to take me on?? I'm waiting for you *WAITS*

I'm Waiting Tough Guy

You think it will happen? I personally don’t

With the way he's slowed down, most likely not. But still cool that it's a possibility

He’s beating it

@@ljummingen Would be amazing to see!

@@TheHockeyVaultyou guys do realize he will not retire until he beats it right

That is some true facts

While I agree, your rookie season won’t define your legacy

I think he would hit 130-140 points at least once. He had 109 in 72 games (122 point pace) in 09/10 when scoring was much lower. That's a 60+ goal, 135 point season in today's scoring environment.

Sid>

Oh, no I can't guys, I got a headache , sid?? LOL he was the 4 best player on his own team. That is when he didn't sit out with headaches

@@kenw2225 u mean a concussion? Lmao, that ain't a headache. And he was by far the best player on his team and in the league😂. Try again

Gretzky has more assists than any other player in the NHL has points and you say OVI is the GOAT? 😂Not to mention Gretzky was defensively responsible ~ He's a + 544 all-time in 5 on 5 situations. Ovi is +44 - you figure out the math

@@ImAGoldenGod-yx6by goalies in Gretzky’s era were amateurs. Today’s goalies are 10x better than the ones Gretzky went against. If Ovi was playing in the 80s, he would have scored 2000 goals.

When did Stamkos get brought into this. It’s Malkin as the third.

well he basically is ovechkin 2.0 with his style of play and malkin is only comapred cause they're both russian. I am not talking nationality I am talking about talent and style of play@@tylerlawer8750

@@tylerlawer8750yeah I felt like malkin has always had a rivalry as well

No mention of Patty Kane I see

he doesn't have a firece rivalry with ovi like those guys do. But yes he certainly is up there too when talking ab generational greats @@jacoballen4189

The celebration after aged him a decade, he set the bar for cup cellys now

Was sick!

Insane

It was a lot longer than that, he's a 3 time MVP and the most decorated individual player of his era by a lot.

​@@theroseexperienceHe was never the same player after 09/10. His first 5 years he was not only the best goal scorer but also the best all around offensive player, capable of winning the Rocket Richard and the Art Ross. He was more one dimensional after that point. His game went from Bobby Hull to Brett Hull.

@@michaelshields6326 Brett Hull being one of the greatest to ever lace em up. Ovi had those first fantastic 4 years with Green and Semin who were actual stars. Once they left Ovi had do to everything on his own with a bunch of secondary players.

@@thegoughandbordenfamily8234 His fall off started long before they left.

For sure, but deffs a different game back then

@@TheHockeyVault yeah no disrespect to the legends of that time, just a thought I’ve had

@@Whatdoyouwant904 I think like that too. With all the modern training techniques and things learned, the average player is better than ever. Imagine Crosby, Ovechkin, and Matthews in the 90's. The goal-scoring would be insane!

But dont' forget, there is no Ovie without Bure, Fedorov, Mogilny......

Could he shoot with those skates, those gloves, those sticks? Thats the question , yes weaker Goalies but also weaker weapons.

+1 sub. Great content

I'll put it on the list!

@@TheHockeyVault When you get to it, do the math on his points per season if he had played all 80 - 82 games. It is extraordinary and proof that he was the all time greatest player ever. 1000+ goals and 2000+ assists. and wait till you see his Laval points in 200 games.

No Doubt

Very tight

Sober Up dude. In 5 on 5 situations Ovi is a pathetic + 44 after all those years. For context Gretzky is an incredible +520

We all did, every time he played our favourite teams 😂

No he isn't! Not even close

What are you an idiot? Like ovi, he's well known for his lethal shot especially the one timer at the left circle, has a 60 goal season which was in such a low scoring era and has a career average of 40 ish goals a year while ovi ofc had a 65 goal season and has a career average of 50 or so goals. Even with injuries at times, he still had the second most goals in the 2010s decade with ovechkin ofc being the only player with more goals than him. @@CamaroHotwheelsDieCast

Get back to me when Stamkos has 800 career goals.

@@paulschmitz9175 exactly 2 weeks and no follow up to your bullshit of a take

@@ethanparker7900 Get back to me when Stamkos has 800 goals.

It's crazy how many different eras Jagr has played through ahaha

@@TheHockeyVault like Messier and Henri Richard... only Gordie Howe is cleanly ahead

I really love Jaromir as a person and an athlete, but Ovechkin also lost 2 years due to the lockout and another season of the Covid pandemic. If not for this, he would have already broken Gretzky's record. Despite this record, their talent is equally priceless to me. Greetings from Russia.

Really changed the forward position with his insane offensive capabilities and physicality. So glad he was able to win a cup and prove all the doubters wrong

Crosby clears

I'll put it on the list!

can u do stamkos or Datsyuk?@@TheHockeyVault

Not even close to Nicklas Lidström

Nah

@@neres5795 yeah bruh

@@neres5795 yes today's players would crap on Wayne

Lame casual

So true! I am so happy to be a Canucks fan and watch Quinn continue to develop as a player and now even more so as a leader.

Dahlin and Adam Fox is up there with them.

He’s definitely gonna have a bounce back next year, he’s already picking it up again this season. Whole team’s having a rough year, first time in a while they don’t even have a player hovering around a point per game. Have a feeling it’s got to do with the growing pains of bringing in a new coach and the youngest in the league at that.

LMAO, I'll be back for this one, no way this guy hits 60 in the next 2 seasons, mark my words!

some meaningless indicator

statistics on hits are more revealing. Ovechkin - 3633, Crosby - 1114. I couldn’t find a stat on Gretzky (maybe 0)

@@ilyamuromec3072 Nice try. Champ. Why not just say you are the biggest casual around. 85% of the game is played 5 on 5. In 1424 games has an astonishing 38% of OVI's goals come on the power play / Crosby is under 30% . And by suggesting a *HIT* is more important than a 5 on 5 even strength goal it makes you look preposterous. As for Gretzky he has more assists in his career than anyone else has total points. Let that sink in. And OVI isn't in the same league as Crosby for being an all around player. Crosby has over 1000 assists in 200 less games / OVI under 700. Crosby is an incredible faceoff man / Ovi doesn't even take faceoffs. Crosby is 2nd all time in winning faceoffs and his efficiency is 58.3% *#1 in the NHL* meaning his team gains advantage of the puck immediately. Go tell an expert on hockey that a hit is more important than an even strength goal and you would be laughed out of the place.

@@ilyamuromec3072 Crosby is also an above point a game in the playoffs / OVI below a point a game Crosby scored the game winning goal in OT in the Olympics giving Canada the GOLD MEDAL . He's light years ahead of OVI for being clutch in big games.

@@ilyamuromec3072 Hey dude in no one's world is a hit more important than an five on five goal. By saying being over +200 or in #99's case over +500 is a meaningless indicator it makes you look plain dumb. By being a plus player in 5 on 5 situations tells you the player is technically sound and proficient in normal game time situations. And Ovechkin is a winger who's around the boards all the time so of course his hit total is higher. Both Crosby and Gretzky play the middle of the ice where there is far less contact.

😂🤡

Gretzky is a God

much different era's. Ovi is a Top 5 player of all-time.

@@len6482 Yes. On the list that everybody else is on. Gritzky has his own list and he's the only one on it.

Lemieux is on that list@@grahamstuart9164

Ovi and Crosby in the 80s would have as many as 99 but can’t compare eras . Goalies and defence were hot trash then compared to now 😊

Prime OV did way more than just shoot from the circles. He was a monster all over the ice.