How GOOD Was Steve Nash Actually? 

Average James Almost no curry is curry and nash is Nash. Curry is the main scorer. nash is far away from that.

Lebron is top 5 at both

1. Curry 2. Klay 3. Ray Allen 4. Reggie Miller 5. Nash

No he WAS the system

Wade Davis hell no

PressCAPLOCK Wes Unseld maybe?

Drose?

Nash was disrespected because people didn't feel like he deserved the 2006 MVP. Who disrespected Rose after he won MVP? Only LeBron fanboys. I'm pretty sure the disrespect only applies to the season which they won MVP, not their whole career.

Kd

TWO TIME MVP!

Seth Kasso truth

The jazz would've beaten them... d will was still good and we had AK47 and Boozer. But I agree, I only say that cause I'm a jazz fan. I agree that suns team would've beaten that jazz team

Who cares it was 7 years ago let it go, they lost and still are ringless now they suck

Seth Kasso fax

"Diaw and Stoudemire get suspended for leaving the bench" Pop played chess instead of basketball having Horry take down Nash to make them angry and it worked. Bad sportsmanship on Pop's part that time I'd say -- and I love Pop. (Donaghy's nuts, so who knows when he's lying.)

Vak SpitsFax gmab

Didnt score much for a mvp, assist are overrated, poor defense, little playoff success.

you forgot WHITENESS!

@@lovinv08 bruh It ain't about the stats tho. If you had actually watched Nash conduct, you would get it. It was pretty much like he came and turned the current suns team to a 62 win team.

king piye....... look at the suns franchise the year before he got there! THEY WON 32 more games the year he was there! And at least three guys had career years playing with Nash!!! He’s top 5 in assists all time, only player to 90/50/40 percentages three times!!!! SHOW SOME RESPECT!!!!

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Professor Lumpkins not elite in soccer but definitely pro at least.

Thanongrit Suriyarungka, You're very correct, I did misspeak there. If that's your real name...that is cool AF. Cheers mate.

Noah C Cornelius, sorry, El futbol.

Professor Lumpkins yes it's real Thai name or at least this is what my papers say.

+Dr. Fondlewell is right. look him up and you'll see he was a very good soccer (football) player. he even juggles the basketball off his feet multiple times during games.

Locis he wasn’t playing with average players. He walked onto a team with 2 established allstars and quality role players.

@@marcbibanga5601 That same team got 30 wins

Based Samurai they're doing the same to cp3 rn too.

Yeah somethings gotta be witnessed.

That's the bane of every Pure Point Guard that's currently playing in the league of Score First PG's right now. Kids will just look at how much points they put up without realizing how each PG controls the tempo of the game differently. CP3 and Nash are by far the best I've seen to ever do it. Nowadays they're all just chunking shots and not even looking to create shots for their teammates. It's sad.

I concur. A true b-ball fan wouldn’t argue for a second what the dude has done for the position and the game. AND the Suns at the time. You e Gotta respect the work and effort. A PG I loved to watch play the game that I love, for sure.

Look at the shooting % of players when Nash was on the court, and when he wasn't. It was quite drastic. He made everyone around him better.

@Joshie JoshOf course that isn't actually him

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15 ppg for an MVP? Pathetic

Jatrell Williams mvp mostly are decided by stat storylines and wins. Nash had big push in the latter two for both mvps.

Jatrell Williams your sorry ass gotta hate on him through the whole comment section? Boy stfu.

"15 ppg for an MVP? Pathetic" Assists aren't valuable, right?

In other news water makes things wet (you def right dude I’m just being sarcastic)

Very ironic, Nash vs Kobe was an epic duel and then Nash ended his career in LA

iiF0Xii - Except for that whole defense thing. You know, where you have a player who can actually play defense? Like Jason Kidd?

@@joewhite6868 Kidd won his only championship at 38 yrs old playing with prime Dirk, who is a top 20 all time nba player. Nash wasn't in his prime and neither was Dirk when they were teammates. Nash had plenty of success in the playoffs with 3 WCF appearances and he sucked on Defense

Blasphemy only happens when God is involved

@@simpsbelongtothegulags3702 -_-

@@sundigest1121 nani

Avery Bradley’s Son was *

Steve Nash is the system*

Avery Bradley’s Son don’t disrespect d’antoni

He’s right around 6-7 actually. (Stockton, magic, Kidd, Paul, and isiah are all ahead of him..... maybe curry now too.)

@@dennisjr77 It's very close with a lot of those guys though, he's somewhere between 4-7, too close to call

Mindful Attraction 2.0 top 5 passer, nah. Shooter most definetly

People who say "nah" to Bird being amongst the greatest passers of All Time, are uneducated on Bird and what great passing is. Bird - in my opinion - is right there in the Magic, Stockton, Nash, and Kidd mix. I'm not sure Bird wasn't the greatest ever as a passer; and by great passer, passes well from point A to point B and creates a ton of ball movement and flow on teams he played for. Nash is certainly going to be more and more underappreciated as time goes on.

emmapeel38 Bird wasn’t ball dominant so that’s why people don’t think so. I agree with you that Bird was a great passer, on that Magic, Lebron, Nash etc. type level

Bird is definitely underrated at this point.. like you stated, his expertise stems from instinctual play making.. and honestly, there may not be another player as great as Bird at that.

I think the only guys I consider "better" than Bird (probably excluding Jordan) are guys that were able to play/win for 20 years or so (Kareem, LeBron etc)

lol u stole my comment

PG Broome nah. Amazing player but not a top five passer

Josh watch some highlights, his passes were so good he broke defenders necks by fake passing the ball, because they were so scared of his passes

Braden Pittman yes but there were plenty of passer mostly pg.

lol Larry Bird is EASILY a top 5 passer of all time, I've never seen another player successfully complete many of the passes he pulled off in his career highlight reel. The fakes were just unreal too. Wilt Chamberlain also is a ridiculously underrated passer these days, he could accurately throw passes from one basket to the other with ease. It's absolutely ridiculous how you can't do it in NBA2K18, you watch Wilt Chamberlains Scouting Reel and it's clear he could do it any time he wanted with total accuracy.

Kevin Meyer Point guard is one of those positions where everything clicks later in a player's career. Chauncey Billups also had a mid career renaissance.

Arie Fraiser yeah, Kyle Lowry too

He was always great, when he went to Phoenix D’antoni let him run the offense (much the same as he’s letting harden right now in Houston). When he had free reign and no coach limiting his options...... we saw just how good Nash was!!!

Vak SpitsFax there are lots of players who can be said to make their teammates better. Nash included

Vak SpitsFax how about curry and kyrie?????? You could also see the difference of celctics without kyrie and for curry,before kd joined them were the warriors a super team?No. And look at him he made his teammates better to the point even without him the team plays good but nash is still way better in passing

Then explain how Lebron carried a garbage Cleveland team to the finals twice if he doesn't make his teammates better

rondo is candidate too. But, i agree on lebron.

@@boingboink6404 Celtics went farther in the playoffs without Kyrie than with him, what are you talking about?

Andy Hoops of course. And the season after the 2 mvp trophies he play his best season and deserved another mvp trophy

My childhood hero. Steve nash i have phx suns ball with his autograph i would rank him 4th all time PG. Magic, stockton, kidd, nash

Pure Point guards

Timo Klose is english your second language?

Nefarious Anxiolytic. Aint no pure point guard just point guard lol

Quicky_Sticky curry wasn't your favorite player til 2015

Well do you expect people's favorites to be bums? Curry's development as a player came out of nowhere, of course more people will be drawn to him.

Curry is a great shooter but not a great PG, not even top 10 in my opinion

Nash was a much better point god than Curry. Chris Paul was the next Steve Nash to me. Curry is just an amazing shooter that plays on a team with 4 Olympians. Nash would take the Warriors to a 3 peat.

Quicky_Sticky definitely top 10 PG only guys that i could think of that are better are Magic, Oscar Robertson, Stockton, Isiah Thomas and Steph

MrTimLee84 how to spot a white guy who was happy as hell to see another good white nba player

no

Jatrell Williams What kind of ignorant garbage statement was that lmao

Jatrell Williams don’t u bring race into this

Jatrell Williams nigga stfu.

He inspired him indeed.

Pretty sure Kobe fans knew how good Nash was. Lebron fans on the other hand...

Wherever he went, he made that team and his team mates better!!! What more can you ask for?? I mean..... the turn around the suns franchise had the year before to the year he got there in ‘04 was crazy!!!!

Bird is definitely an amazing passer at his position, but...top 5 passer ever? I think that's pushing it a bit, maybe top 10 imo

Isima Musa he aint a top 5 passer maybe top 5 froward passer but not of all the positions

Very underrated for his passing due to his low assist numbers but my god did he see angles no one else saw. Good on you for bringing him up.

Chris paul John Stockton magic johnson lebron james manu ginobili Jason Kidd Steve nash are all way better passers

Larry Bird is one of the most underrated facilitators in NBA history. He's known for being the knockdown shooter, but vision and finesse led one of the greatest passing teams of all time.

could be said of Stockton from PG too.

Costin Bosoaga kobe deserved one of them

Steve got one of Kobe's MVP

Kobe was not a MVP winner type player, cause he was a bad teammate, not on the court, but off the court

Nash deserved three straight mvps in my opinion. That one that went to Dirk was due to voting fatigue imo

wu jimmy gtfoh

Simon Patterson and Kobe

L 8 yeah, from what I've seen since, Kobe seems like a 90% version of Michael Jordan. I feel like I already saw the 100% version so probably didn't miss much by missing Kobe.

You missed thd big diesel, the most physically dominant player ever

And KG

Hugo Cilerin shaq started in the jordan era, didn't miss him.

The Big Dog I second this. I need to see a Yao Ming video

Amare Stoudemire? Lol okay. He is, after all, better than LeBron, Kobe, Jordan, and Bill Russell. 😂😂

This guy said his favorite was Stoudemire. Not everyone’s favorite has to be MJ or Kobe

Name a team that doesn't have a system? It's called coaching and every team has a system. The Warriors use the Suns system, it's just they have one more A+ shooter than the Suns had.

Daiton one of those MVPs should've went to kobe

In Nash's first MVP season he had a 50/40/90 season whilst leading the Suns to the best record in the NBA and the Conference Finals. In his second MVP season Stoudemire played only 3 games all season and the Suns lost Joe Johnson so Nash only had Shawn Marion as the secondary star on the team yet he again led the Suns to one of the best records in the league and they reached the Conference Finals again without Amar'e. I get that Kobe had to deal with a trash team during both seasons but Nash definitely deserved both MVP's more

Daiton it was a coin toss between Nash and Kobe second season

Tbh, even Steve Nash's teammates said Kobe deserved the MVP. Kobe dealt with a worse team than Nash. Then in the playoffs, he almost eliminated the Suns. If Kobe pulled that off, then it would be the biggest upsets. However, The Suns figured out the lakers and won 3 straight.

Dogg'z Crew. How

Trayvon Etienne because Nash is a better team player lol Curry is my favorite active player but if you think he could do what Nash did with Kurt Thomas, Diaw and bell then you’ve got to be fooling yourself

@@traytray4500 how? Better passer. Got his whole team involved and literally made his whole team better. Curry loses and goes to call on other snakes (durant) to help him win after having a 73 win season. Curry is a better shooter but not by much meanwhile Nash is a MUCH better passer. Ill take Nash over curry. Next loser wanna come and try?

Curry is better

@@AK-cc6vt huge nash fan but steph is definitely a better shooter by far. The volume/depth curry shoots from while maintaining his efficiency blows everyone out the water. Because Steph puts so much pressure on the defense and is a good passer he could approximate what Steve did on the suns but probably will need another backhander to not waste his off ball value as well which the suns did have. This would actually be an interesting experiment.

Vak SpitsFax the only issue with this statement is prime cp3 is a *far* more complete player than curry ( faster, stronger, better at all 3 areas of defense, and vastly better when it comes to midrange shooting and pass accuracy.), harden is nearly as effective as curry, and hes more physical, not as good a outside shot but far better midrange, and nash is honestly just a better curry. Not as good at moving 3s but has more stamina, is a true leader, and a far more accurate passer, whether its trick passes or regular. I enjoy watching curry too but too often hes propped up, in my opinion the other guards are more valuable, although westbrook is too reckless.

James Harden is really more dominant as shooting guard...PRIME Nash is among the 10 greatest point guards in their primes since the modern NBA... but I have PRIME Chris Paul and Westbrook ahead of Nash in that 10

Curry is the only player you'd have to defend 5 steps away from the 3 point line. Compared to CP3, Curry is better in scoring threes, penetrations, and finishing plays off the ball. Curry also doesn't need to hold the ball a lot to make an impact, which makes him more versatile to different play styles. As a matter of fact, his mere presence along the arc significantly helps his team's offense. CP3 on the other hand allows defenders some safe distance due to his relatively slow shooting release. Harden doesn't have CP3's shortcoming in off ball offense. When he plays well, he's virtually better than Curry in everything except range. Curry is only better at stability - he doesn't coast on defense as much as Harden does and he has lesser tendency to force his offense.

Pick up basketball im taking all those guys before nash. Poor defense, and low scoring averages... If your defense is shit im going to need some james harden offensive stats

Jayhitemup234 Jordon shaq and isaiah thomas

There are people that say that.

Black people lol

@@glennoconnor1130 plenty of black people know and say he's elite so shut that shit down

Moffo no one took him lightly. He was highly respected around the league. No idea what you’re talking about. Aside from yes he doesn’t look intimidating but who’s intimidated by looks on the court? It’s your skills that intimidates players

Kenyon Cooper Steph? maybe

Chavanun Siphomsay greatest shooter but not even a top 15 passer

Magic Stockton Nash Kidd CP3

So like, are you just spamming 50 accounts saying the same shit about Larry Bird? Shut up.

Jay Tay nash is better than chris paul... and paul is a fucking beast

juanfrainsane i disagree. As much as i like Nash, i think CP is better. He is a really good defender, he has the highest career offensive rating of ALL TIME, 3rd best plus/minus of all time, and 2nd most win shares of all time. Nash didn’t come close to any of that honestly.

Fuzz Buzzler idk about that, the drama might hurt them in the long run

Nash was much flashier

Cp3 was the more aggressive scorer and Nash was the more aggressive passer. Prime Cp3 was slow and methodical and prime Nash was fast and methodical. Cp3 was the better defender, Nash the more accurate shooter. If a young kid is smart they take combine both and add steph on top of that.

ShadowAngel Fucked up but all that has nothing to do with his basketball abilities.. He is the GOAT PF & it isn't close.. 36,000 career points.. Unbelievable.

Grant Moore He wasnt even the best player on his fucking team, Stockton was. Stockton always was.

Dude hit on Kobe's wife and publicly shunned Magic after he was infected with HIV too. Great player tho

When if comes to Magic Johnson, he offered his #32 to Karl Malone back in 2003 when he joined the Lakers. So obviously Magic was able to forgive, and it's easy to forget how naive people were about HIV back in the early 90s, there were a lot of guys who were terrified to get Earvin's sweat on them. Charles Barkley and Isiah Thomas had very negative things to say about Magic initially too.

He’s a very underrated player r

Harden and Curry aren't exactly A+ defenders either.

Paulafan5 In Nash’s era him being better defensively would have been a big boost especially in the playoffs.

Taimoor Khan Faxxx ma g, all these biased ass fans acting like Nash the greatest pg ever lol

Oscar Robertson, Curry and CP3 aren't better than Nash. Curry's career isn't over yet, and CP3 may be close statwise, but his resume is nowhere near Nash's. Kidd and Isiah are debatable. 2x MVP, 7x All-NBA selections (3 All-NBA First teams), 8x All Star, 5x NBA Assists Leader, 4x 50-40-90 Club (Most in NBA history). He helped the Suns reach one of the largest single-season turnarounds in NBA history, going from 29 wins to 62 and a Conference Finals appearance, certainly worthy of an MVP award. Tell me, were the suns "thriving" in D'Antoni's system before Nash came? Because correct me if I'm wrong, but D'Antoni was coach of the Suns for 1 season before Nash came, and they sure must've been thriving because they won 29 games that season... Next season, Nash comes to Phoenix and they snag the best record in the NBA with 62 wins. He managed to turn scrubs into solid roleplayers. Leandro Barbosa? Trash, but with Nash he put up 13ppg. Boris Diaw? Trash, but Nash helped him have one of the best seasons of his career, putting up 13+ ppg. Raja Bell? Trash, But with Nash, he averaged a career high 15ppg. He made Kurt Thomas, the backup for Amare Stoudemire look like a starting-quality big. The year that Amare (who many consider to be the best player on the team at the time) was out, Nash still lead them to a 54-win season. The only player who could've possibly won it that year was Kobe, but his team was the 7th seed in the West, and until Westbrook won MVP last year, an MVP never came from a team lower than 3rd in their conference. Nash is also one of the most efficient shooters of all time. He holds the record for highest career FT%, and holds the record for most 50-40-90 seasons in NBA History. His court vision and efficient scoring makes him one of the most offensively-gifted players the game has ever seen. The only argument that can be made against Nash is his bad defense, although you can't fully fault him because he wasn't very athletically gifted, and at least he tried on defense, there's some value in that. Magic Stockton Nash

DamonM Roger I'll let you put him ahead of Kidd cp3 and curry but don't dare say he's greater than Isiah Thomas or Oscar Robertson lol

Taimoor Khan I dunno man, it's pretty subjective. Isiah was great and his career was cut pretty short so we'll never know how great he actually could have been. Same with Magic. What they were able to do in that time is amazing. The Big O was phenomenal but his stats are a little inflated due to the era he played in. I'm not trying to discredit his abilities though.

Jacoby Williams he averaged 14 ppg. Thats not that low for a pass first PG. Guys like walt frazier, magic, Kevin Johnson, cp3, Oscar, are exceptions. Most great pgs throughout history are in that 15-25 range

@@TheIcemanthomas yea and they don't shoot 50/40/90 for multiple years!!!

Dan Conway hard to shoot 50 40 90 when there is no 40 to shoot bud. No 3pt line

The Current Year people think nash sucks? Lol

Yeah a lot of salty Laker fans do think he sucks.