How Hard is it to Beat Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel With ONLY Legendaries? 

Some legendaries are relatively easier to find. But I know damn well I've beaten RK5 over three dozen times and never gotten a Sham. Best I usually get legendaries are from vendors but it's mostly grenade mods.

this is how it was for every borderlands game except 3 lol

Definitely. Despite getting way more legendaries that the BL2 run, most of them were from the grinder.

It was the same for every BL game except 3, but that stupid Grinder made it about 4 times worse. It felt like Destiny 1.0. You grind for hours (pull that slot lever) then you grind all your hard work (pull the lever again). The only thing more obnoxious would've been collecting a thousand gold egrams and turning them in to get nothing but blue at best. While we're here, WHY did UVHM still have whites dropping? I've played through your short, crappy campaign twice and had to listen to Pickle snort laugh too many times. The least you count do is ensure no more common rarity drops in the hardest difficulty.

I had very few issues farming for Legendaries in TPS, I mainly farmed Iwajira for his missile launchers and grinded them with the item i wanted to become legendary quality, when I didn't get what I wanted I Alt F4'd it and repeated the same grind over and over again. I farmed any boss that had a decent legendary loot pool, farmed the weapons vendors at Concordia and repeatedly farmed the red loot chests around the game.

Agree

Glad to see that you guys like this! I have more runs of Borderlands games planned!

Thank you for telling me! I have zero clue how all the grinder stuff works, I just know the basics.

Thank you very much! Looking at it after uploading, there are still some improvements I can make, and some things out of my control (like youtube's compression butchering the sped up parts.)

That makes a lot of sense. He finally has to come to terms with what happened at Overlook.

So that's why I couldn't find it, it was way later than I thought. Thank you very much for finding this!

Well that would explain why I didn't get the thingy when farming him.

That's Awesome, and Thank You! I can't wait to do and process the next run!

@@LookIntoGaming Good to hear! If you decide to stream the playthrough, be sure that I will be there :D

I agree, I never knew how bad it was until this run. The grinder was what carried me through most of the run.

I was already planning to Athena for my full TPS run, but this just seals the deal. I've also never had the chance to use that tree, so I'm extremely interested in seeing what it can do.

@@LookIntoGaming it is so powerful. I think you'll really enjoy it. I played the shield tree at first because it seemed obvious but the storm tree is insane.

I was originally going to use the storm tree, but I didn't get any legendaries with the right elements early on, so that's why I went with the shield tree, and talking about it more makes me even more excited for the run!

I really wish I played more TPS and Claptrap, he is the most fun character in TPS, and his skill trees are all great. Not using oxygen is nice, but in my Legendary-only run I learnt that when you run out of oxygen on a normal character, you don't actually die, you just stay at 1hp.

Thank You! Pretty much all legendaries are good in this game, but I haven't played enough endgame to know the best ones. And good luck farming!

I really wish he dropped it in normal mode, as that would have made the run way more interesting, but it is what it is.

I definitely don't explore the map enough, and I would never have found him without seeing a video on how to farm him.

@@LookIntoGaming when I did find him I got scared because I was, ahh, it's been about a little over 6 years, I would say about lvl 12 when I found him, I was like "uh oh"

That makes me think of when I realized that the secret Nel fight was lvl 30. I'm glad I figured that at the end of the run, but discovering it earlier would have been good content.

If you do that can he still drop the skullmasher?

​@@LookIntoGamingyes

@@LookIntoGaming just have to make sure you drop the gun before the bullets hit

Yeah after this run I realized how few legendaries I've gotten though all my runs.

I honestly enjoy TPS, the only suffering was learning how few early bosses don't drop legendaries. Also, TPS is nothing compared having to go through BL3.

@@LookIntoGaming yeah bl3 can get long if your grinding I just like casual play more than grind

I love TPS, but the Veins of Helios are insanely boring, and I dread having to go through them each time. I also think that Zarpedon is way too difficult for that spot in the game. I don't know why these past few runs have gone decent, because I used to struggle with her every playthrough. I don't really know a challenge that is perfect for this game, but I will find one some day.

This is my first run using it, and the shield and oxygen regen saved me way more times than I would like to admit. Although I still love the Ack-Ack for its anti-air capabilities (mostly for the fighter jet and EOS.)

@@LookIntoGaming It actually does the regen thing with Health as well as Shields.

I loved the soundtrack when I was playing Atomic Heart, and always wanted to use the amazing soundtrack, I also hope to use it in future videos!

Thank you very much! And for BL3, it depends, I love the gameplay, movement, guns, skills and bosses, But we all know the story is terrible (except for the bounty of blood DLC, that nuke is awesome.) The only other issue I have with it is it's way more grindy than other Borderlands games (it feels very similar to Destiny 2), and legendaries are WAY too common.

@@LookIntoGaming i definitely feel that legendarys are like a 50%50 percent drop rate

True, I forgot about that when I was writing that part. The only issue is that I've never managed to beat Terra, but perhaps one day...

I don't think I've ever used butt-slam to kill him, but I always used to struggle with him in co-op on console. I still don't remember why I struggled so much, but I think I just got good.

Thank you! I've also never understood why people don't like TPS that much, and a Wonderlands run is coming soon, after I figure out and make the BL3 run.

@@LookIntoGaming wicked!

Well, it is supposed to drop, but I tried farming for it over 20 times before learning that rocket launchers don't drop until lvl 10. There's also the fact that vending machines don't sell rocket ammo until after lvl 10.

I wonder how that works, because it would be awesome to do that consistently.

I've re-watched a few of my videos, and it's weird hearing a younger version of yourself.

Legendaries do make the game way easier, but the main difficulty in these runs comes from not having a shield for a while and just how long it takes to farm gear, especially in TPS, where the drop rates are way lower than other BL games.

@@LookIntoGaming ahhhhh! I gotcha. I completely thought it was having all legendaries to start with right away and basically just go. But going thru the natural process of finding em the old fashion grind way is a whole another story. Thank u for clarifying!

Finding all the legendaries was a ton of fun and also great because I learnt about some new drop sources, which I can use in later runs!

True. It was also because I thought it was too easy for my first legendary, as farming is way more interesting.

The drop rates and end game are the major things that needed to be fixed in TPS, but sadly, 2K Australia shut down, so the game (and the 2 other DLCs) were never truly finished.

Sure, the game is easy once you get the gear, but farming for them is the hard part, especially with TPS' drop rates.

@@LookIntoGaming I mean truth be told the game is easy in general, in fact the first playthrough of every borderlands game is easy. It doesn't get challenging or reach peak fun till you move on to true or ultimate vault hunter mode, every borderlands vet knows that, and then Borderlands 3 with the mayhem modes, icing on the cake

I used to think that TPS was really difficult, but once I started playing on PC, I've gotten way better. I still haven't gotten to OP levels in BL2, but I really liked mayhem in BL3.

That's the plan! I hope to put out 1-2 of these major Borderlands out every month!

Thank you very much! I don't like to compare myself to others, but this comment means a lot to me!

I feel like I need to do a special/joke video on getting now. I've put way too much time trying to get this gun to still not have it.

Absolutely! For BL1 however, there are supposedly no dedicated drops, so a run is unlikely, but I will do research into it on a later date. For BL3 and TTWL, I'm starting the BL3 run soon, and TTWL is after the BL3 run.

@@LookIntoGaming well bl1 you could just go for purples 🤔😅

The only reason I didn't have maelstrom for the EOS fight was I forgot to respec right before entering the level. After I respeced, I started farming EOS, and maelstrom was insanely powerful.

@@LookIntoGaming oh yea, pair that with the Machine plus the Jacobs glitch and thats my favorite farm

EOS is my favorite farm in TPS as well, so many cool legendaries, and one of the coolest and most unique fights in Borderlands.

I've always liked TSP, sure it's not as good as BL2, but I was glad just to have another Borderlands game. As for the audio, I improve it a bit with every video, and in this video I was testing some voice leveling stuff, so that's why it was a bit off.

@@LookIntoGaming fair enough my dude, glad that you're having your fun and I hope everything goes well in your future

I agree, TPS is still one of my favorite games and I really wish they would make another Borderlands game set in space (and I want the grinder back).

I really wish the drop chances were better, and I've never used mods before in a BL game, but for TPS, I am considering the community patch / something similar.

It was an enlightening experience, for sure.

Thank you very much, Glad you enjoyed!

We all have at some point, drop rates in TPS are non-existent.

Thank you very much! Glad to see that the video was fun, because all the farming was not.

I've barely managed to beat UVHM normally... That would definitely be impossible for me, but another Borderlands CC might do it (and way better that I could).

I'm planning to do common weapons in all the borderlands games, but that's very far away. I would probably go Claptrap because I only have 1 run on him, and he is insanely fun.

Yes, and it's a guaranteed drop. However, it's only a rare gun, not a legendary.

ah thank you

This is something I often call "Enzo brain" I don't play enough TPS to remember what I was actually trying to say.

I'm usually 1-2 levels below most bosses, but with all the farming I did, I was overleveled for most of the game.

@@LookIntoGaming yeah legendarys are a pain to farm when they don’t drop

@@LookIntoGaming have you ever thought of making a discord for your community

It's a community patch drop!

I didn't even know he had a drop, good thing I didn't try to farm him if it's on the community patch though.

None of the Darksiders drop anything outside of UCP, so that was probably a good idea

terra can drop the Slayer class mods the blood the teeth the breath and the hide.

I completely forgot about this at the time of recording. I have never managed to kill Terramorphous, much less farm him. And the Blood of Terramorphous relic is bad compared to most other relics.

Then you're extremely lucky. Deadlift doesn't have a dedicated drop (at least in vanilla).

yees

Well, the deck 13 1/2 might be a reference, but I was talking about how the final boss level is 13.5 because computers can't process fractions in code.

You should still your own video, every run and person has their own take on the run, and it's interesting to see how other people do their runs.

@@LookIntoGaming oh yeah 100%

I know, but it was neat to see that it's possible with a grenade jump instead.

@@LookIntoGamingagreed.

As far as I am aware, he can't drop the Nukem on a fresh run. I also believe this is due to rocket launchers not being available until lvl 10 (or around there) and you can't farm him either, making this even more annoying.

Yeah, I figured that out after uploading this, I forgot that the Blood of Terramorphous exists, mostly because I've never managed to beat Terra.

@@LookIntoGaming Yea he can be a pain. But a bee shield and an on level fire conference call makes short work of him.

My personal favorite for him Is gunzerk bee unkempt Harold's cheeses him in no time at all!

Completely unintentional, but I'll take it.

I was looking for the time when I got the shield, I know I got a few skins, but when I was looking through my clips I couldn't find when I got the MORQ. I do appreciate you looking however.

@@LookIntoGaming I found it, find my comment

Thank you very much!

lol. I'm not used to quick time events and I died quite a few times before I got to start the fight. My first playthrough did not end well.

@@LookIntoGaming I know right I was so bad and than I got good

Hence the term: "get gud".

@@LookIntoGaming eventually I did get good

Facts. If only rocket launchers could drop from level 1.

I'm going to finish BL3 part 2 and TTWL, then I'm planning to do tvhm for BL2 and TPS!

Yeah, in most playthroughs I usually only get the 2 guaranteed legendaries from EOS and Jack. The drop rates in TPS are non-existent.

I'd just say that's super lucky, especially with TPS' drop rate.

@LookIntoGaming I was very surprised I got it first try some how

It's been a while since I've played her, but from what I remember, she start with a purple

@@LookIntoGaming i think your right

From Flameknuckle? I'm 99% sure that he can't drop it in normal mode, since you need to be at least level 10 to start getting rocket launcher drops, but anything is possible with Borderlands' spaghetti code.

Yeah, considering all the help I get from streams, I think this is the best choice, I just need to figure out the counter system for legendaries now.

I've played one run as Claptrap, and he's really fun, and his skills aren't bad either, and his skills are extremely fun too! So, Even though he's a "joke" character, Claptrap is still very fun and powerful!

Trust me, I wanted Flame Knuckle to drop the Nukem more than anyone else, but just doesn't drop in normal mode, making the Flakker (or Excalibur) the first viable legendary weapon.

@@LookIntoGamingohh I understand my bad

The legendary one? I didn't know it could spawn in vendors.

@@LookIntoGaming yeah I was playing with my friend and I got it on the item of the day. Was my first legendary of that character. It was like 15k and I sold a few guns to barely get it

I guess I don't play enough TPS. I know there are a few uniques that can spawn is stores, but I never knew that you could get legendaries. I wonder what others are in there, could be interesting.

@@LookIntoGaming you will never guess how many damn jack o cannons we got in the store

I guess I need to check the stores more often then, cause now I want to see just how many you can get in a run.

That is one of the runs I have planned, I'm just working on the BL3 and TTWL runs first!

@@LookIntoGaming that would be epic for sure man !! Keep up the good content

(same message as my other reply) Absolutely! That's the run I'm working on right now, I'm just a little addicted to Starfield at the moment. I will start streaming more of the BL3 run over the next few days.

I honestly can't tell if this genuine or satire, but they're called Oz kits in the game, and there's even an Echo that play some lore talking about how the manufacturer's font made the 02 look like 0z, and that's the name everyone adopted. I also really like the real explanation!

Yeah, the drop rates are horrible in TPS, I didn't know how bad they were until this run.

they did it to incentivize the grinder

I plan to do other Borderlands games first, but I will wrap around and do more Pre-Sequel!

Yeah, I use Loot Lemon to research drops, and my viewers also told me about some other drops. It's a huge shame how few dedicated drops there are in this game.

TPS is bugged. The handsome collection bugged the loots in TPS and 2. Like FFS dlc from BL2 bugged Voracidous and Hyperius healths. Sham was really on RK5.

I would like to, however, BL1 doesn't have dedicated drops, and it also has really low legendary drop rates, meaning this challenge would be almost impossible. I am looking at doing it as a future video, I would just need to do a lot of research, and even look at mods to help the run.

Thinking about it now, I have no clue why I've never played as her before, but now she's easily the most powerful vault hunter in TPS in my opinion. And for raid bosses, I definitely think her aspis would be broken against most of them. I'm amazed at how many different damage sources it can absorb, like Eclipse and EOS' missiles.

Name the legendary relic

Blood of terra is legendary

Don't blame you for not knowing though, relic sucks.

agreed@@internetidiot9877 pretty *ss relic

@@didntask1425 yeah, it scales up to what, 1.6% HP regen per second? On op 10?

It's a real shame to hear how many more weapons we could have had in TPS. It's also crazy to hear just how bad the code really is. I knew Borderlands code is spaghetti, but it just seems to get worse the more things I hear about it.

@@LookIntoGaming(This is more than likely going to be VERY long and possibly in multiple comments. Beware of dragons.) It's really not so bad once you know what you're doing. I'm just a decent modder at best. I'm used to changing weapon stats and PRE-EXISTING loot pools, not fixing bugged ones. When it comes to modding BL2 and TPS, your average person is limited to editing pre-existing "Objects." Objects are materials already used by the game's code, such as equipment, skills, enemy stats and quest rewards. Each object details a specific part of the game's resources, such as a specific barrel part. There are other objects for things such as loot pools and even what parts a certain weapon can even spawn with. Heck, even some parts of enemy AI are detailed as objects. For reference, here's an Imgur post with some screenshots of the Object Explorer included with the Borderlands Community Mod Manager (BLCMM). It should give a better idea of how objects work. imgur.com/a/bigU9eH Now, you can't actually PERMANENTLY change objects. BL2/TPS modding essentially boils down to using the Unreal Engine's "set" command to overwrite the objects for the rest of the session. While you could type everything manually, it's much easier to make a .txt or .exe file that acts like a sequence of commands if you want to change more than one or two things. If you're testing a mod, you can apply new tweaks in-game by saving the changes and running the file again, but you can't return to vanilla without relaunching the game altogether. (Unless you have a mod that overwrites the entire game with its vanilla values, but legitimately who would do that.) BLCMM makes it even easier by creating a UI for mod-making. It also comes with the Object Editor so you can tell what's going on. It helps with formatting and can tell you when commands are invalid. You can set specific commands to work like hotfixes if need be (though I don't know WHEN you'd need to), and there are checkboxes that let you filter out specific changes, allowing Game Overhaul mods to be fully modular! As for actually MAKING mods, it's child's play to modify a piece of gear's stats. Just find where it already exists, change the number and run the command. If it isn't there by default, like giving the Emperor/Torrent bonus projectiles, you can rip that weapon attribute from something that DOES have it and add it to your command. Modifying pre-existing loot pools isn't that bad, either. I was able to make Boom Bewm drop the KerBlaster just by copying a two-drop Runnables pool and changing the referenced items to the Bonus Package and Kerblaster. And testing is easy since you can also modify the pool's drop chance. (Not the specific items though, as far as I know.) It's when you try making more complicated mods that things start to fall apart. My KerBlaster mod was part of a complete overhaul of it, turning it into a spinigun with with high damage and low fire rate. Changing the barrel's APPEARANCE wasn't that bad, and I was fine with stats, but making the thing spin? Rage-inducing. There are a TON of attributes for spinigun barrels that determine spin speed, spin duration, spin acceleration and so on. And they're technically made of programming BONES, meaning the spinning works more like an NPC moving their arm than a gun bobbing up and down when you shoot it. I spent DAYS trying to fix it and failed. A more experienced modder ended up telling me to send him the file so he could fix it for me.

@@LookIntoGamingGoing back to actual loot pools... Typically, when an enemy doesn't have a dedicated loot pool (mainly rare unique enemies like Oscar and Spiderpants), you'd take an unused Runnable, such as enemies from the pre-order Circle of Slaughter DLC, and point that enemy's Runnable to it. This typically works, seeing as 90% of the Unofficial Community Patch's dedicated drop additions do some form of this. But I was making my OWN overhaul mod meant to suit my tastes, and I wanted to be a purist and correct the drops to begin with. So I fixed RK5's pool by checking how other people corrected it and set out to re-enable Badass Boils dropping the Fibber. I don't know what it is, though. They REFUSE to. They have their own Runnables pool, so I linked it back up in the same way other Runnables are, and I set the Fibber to be a guaranteed drop for testing purposes. But nothing. So I tried modifying the pool like how RK5 worked, but I couldn't find the correct Object. Eventually, I tried changing it entirely and gave them RK5's pool for testing. Nope. And finally, I tried giving RK5 the Badass Boil pool to see if IT would cooperate. Nothing. Considering the Unofficial Community Patch made Oscar drop the Reogenator without doing any of these shenanigans? I still have no clue what's going on. (Though I may have found the correct AI Behavior pool I need to modify while writing this.) So I decided to just give up, shelf it for now and use my time changing what I CAN do until I'm better at changing loot pools. I'm more than likely going to take a more UCP approach and add whatever OTHER unused drop sources exist to pools that already work. Badass Boils list the Fibber because of the whole Quarantine questline? How about I add it to the Invincible Empyrean Sentinel, then? They made it MORE than clear enough that fight was made up for drama. The Sham? RK5 works now, so it'd work well, though I'd really like to give it to that one scav from the treasure hunting sidequest who locked away all his treasures, being himself. The numerous grenade mods that can't drop? Give 'em to Felicity Rampant and make her a grenade mod boss! Though really, in some cases game balance may take priorty. Sure, Maureen was meant to drop the Supernova, but you unlock the Grinders mission after completing A New Direction. Could you imagine being able to farm her for Supernovas then immediately grind them for a Sham and blocking basically everything until you've reached Helios, if not FURTHER?

Thank you! There are a few audio things I can perfect for the next video, but every video I make gets a little better each time!

@LookIntoGaming you can honestly be prouder of yourself, I've never seen someone make such major improvements in such a short time.... Because while i did enjoy the previous video some parts where it was just gameplay were tough to get through seeing as all the other parts had you talking over them.... I'm looking forward to the next one.... Also p.s. do you have it planned to do the og borderlands next or wonderlands first?

It really depends on your character and build, but I just wanted to see how bad the farming really is to beat the game with only legendaries.

This is a phenomenon commonly known as: "Enzo Brain", and considering I'm going to do another TPS run soon, you may get to see it again.

@@LookIntoGaming excelent i will watch from my tower while skeletor and heeman watch as well and maybe spiderman and deadpool

Then you're the luckiest TPS player I've ever seen. I don't think I've gotten more than 2 before level 16 in all of the runs in my life.

I realize that now, there was just so much footage, and I wanted to try and cut down as much as possible.

I love the Atomic Heart soundtrack too, and I'm glad you loved it! I had just finished a playthrough, and felt like PT-1X12 would fit somewhere perfectly, and I was right!

Well, this was one of the runs I streamed, so it should be in the 'live' tab on my page.

Thank you very much! I really love to make these videos, and I love interacting with my viewers. If you watch any of my streams or the vods, you'll hear me laugh a lot and be in a better mood than I usually am!

@@LookIntoGaming Damn, I didn't know you had vods. I really gotta check those out. ❤️❤️❤️

That's the sad thing. The Bee and Conference Call combo, and the Ion Cannon, a gun meant to be op, was nerfed. That's why I love using save editors, I love having truly OP guns.

It likely can, but to farm it, you have to run through the entire level from the start, so yeah, it would be insanely painful. It would be interesting to test with a mod that resets chests.

Interesting. I've never heard of the Fast talker until now, but It's not viable for me as I don't have Tales from the Borderlands or a save editor (yet).

Not sure why that is, I keep them to a minimum when possible.

Good to know, I was going to see if I could farm them somehow, but it wasn't a huge priority, considering this run also taught me how useless grenades really are.

Ah, it was either the lack of an OZ kit, or just me being bad at the game and not trying the jump more then.