How Has The Meta Changed On Valorant's Oldest Map? 

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This just solidifies my belief of how ahead of time FNS was as an IGL.

When I started Valorant, I despised Haven. As of end of episode 7, it's my best map in terms of personal stats and in winrate in ranked games. When I played in tournaments, Haven matches would always end up being the most intense and fun. Hope they bring the map back quickly. Great video, Platoon!

Incredible video, the storytelling was great and hit on a lot of cool points. This is a minor nitpick, but I just wanted to mention that Reykjavik 2021 was deep in the post plant meta with both Astra and Viper being at their strongest points arguably ever. V1 showed a really interesting viper comp with post plant B lineups from spawn, which is interesting because of how early on they caught onto both the value of B post plants as well as viper’s potential value (though their innovations didn’t stick past the later viper nerfs)

great video! to me this just highlights how insane viper is on this map. the fact that riot devs showed a viper wall during the playtest in 2020 that would be almost identical to the meta wall for viper comps in 2023 is crazy to me. her ability to block off both early peeks from short and the cross to long (and paired with a harbor cascade) is super strong. the orb on A to cover short and cut up the site also allows for lightning fast retakes that catch the attack off guard, as well as insanely good anchoring possibilities. and the C wall on defense does the same thing, making it super awkward for attackers to push through. sad to see haven leave the map pool, but i'm certain if it didn't the teams would have predominantly be playing viper. she's just that good. to be honest i wish you talked some more about it, but it probably deserves its own video.

Such a unique map, I'd never seen a three site map before and it really challenged a lot of pre-conceived notions about how to both attack and defend in games like this

i was just hovering over your channel looking for a new video today and here it is 5 hours later on my fyp

Great vid. Would’ve loved to have you talk about the TGRD viper comp and how it has changed the way teams have played especially A site. It also has a stormy impact on A because of the wall that blocks of vision for defenders.

Thank you so much for the informative and in depth guide on the haven meta! I will be sure to remember this when I play haven …oh wait.

definitely one of your best videos, are we gonna see more of these kind of videos?

please do it for more maps, your data back video is soo good.

this is a really good video. i like the balance between statistical analysis and game analysis. really nice showcase of emergent gameplay in comp shooters. itll be worth doing the same for other maps and studying how they change over time or maybe also analysing agents and studying how they are played over time.

Would have loved to see you cover the mid fight more that takes place with Viper vs KJ. Attackers put turret garage side of mid on the little box and eventually (I believe it was TGRD or something) started using their Viper wall just to block off that turret's sightline, so they could creep mid earlier in the round if they wanted.

Literally, right before Haven was removed. People started to aggressed ahead to A Lobby in 2024. 2022 was the meta when I start playing this game at the end of Champions 2022. And I find out how to learn and play the game. I still love the game, it just takes time to learn a lot.

Great vid my homie. Would have been a lot funnier if you featured that one playoffs Haven match between DRX and Team Secret, where Team Secret just rushed A every time.

I miss haven so much

great vid. imo you couldve talked a bit more about the viper comps (with either omen aswell) and how the wall on defense makes the default mid turret (which was used for so long) pretty useless and the lurk potential with the attack a wall. also the viper orb on a to stall retakes. as i said would have loved to see you go more into detail with that, but still lovin the video and how much effort was put into it

great video, it was very well researched and interesting from beginning to end

I can’t wait to see the new agent since it’s most likely going to be a controller and if it is I’m really excited to see how it affects future the haven meta since double controller is the most popular team comp right now on pretty much every map. If they are enough like a duelist, setinal, or imitator too we could even see a triple controller meta. Of course we’ve seen loud try that on bind but it would be cool to see a actual consistent comp being played

In map, concerns taking haven out instead of ascent is the worst decision they made about the map pool. It was a fantastic map that had so much diversity especially at this moment.

This video is not only a great analysis of heaven's meta evolution, but also a recap on valorant history. Man I don't believe this game released 3 years ago already.

This is the first competitive videogame breakdown video I've seen. I didn't know it was this intricate. I watch comp casually and all I ever notice are sick shots, and none of this big brain plays. Thanks for bringing this info to me and I will now play and watch Valorant in a new light. :)

HAVEN IS BACK Cant wait to see if viper is still meta on this map or if the map changes are enough to give other agents the limelight.

my favourite haven tech is the c main viper wall launch

Gonna be funny when he does ascent. Same meta since the start

I feel like there should have been mention of what GC Champs 2023 haven looked like because there was some interesting stuff coming from it.

i’d love to see how the different gun balances affected the meta / locations of deaths related to what was strong (judge / bucky meta = more deaths garage and A short)?

🤓 uhm actually, Ascent is Valorant's oldest map. The devs confirmed it was their first map they made when they were still figuring out how to make them game.

Great video as usual

I just love the idea of the video

great video, thanks for that!!

Bring this gem back. Banish sunset, ice box and ascent for pearl and fracture

would love a follow up to this!

i miss haven they shouldve removed ascent

15:20 Flezninjas been doing that since beta

i love how haven went from everyones most hated map to their favorite

Man I will miss this map as this was the map I gote my ace for the first time.

Dont even play this game but this was still fun to watch, cool video

I want to know why immortal roadmap only have people like 6th man (no disrespect) and also because proguides and skilled capped also promised a 5 division rank up

I’d love to see a championship game with a brand new map never even teased before. How would the pros react?

as a CS vet, trying val for the first time on launch, i thought haven was stupid and unmanageable. THREE sites?? insanity by the time i was ready to quit val (dec 2023), playing astra on haven was the only thing keeping me going. also, clean vid, love it

I mean fns my goat, what can I say…..

13:30 dark time of valorant

awesome video!!

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If Ascent was removed instead of Haven, Viper truly would have a high pick rate into 2024.

Please make a video on how bostio can help 100t as an igl

thanks bro now i have another reason to love boaster

a video on why breeze comps haven’t changed since the beginning of time pls? 😂

Love your videos.

how about we do an Ascent meta evolution

Haven is my worst map. But it's not to say that I don't enjoy the map. Understanding the meta strats actually helps you understand where to put your setups and since then, games have been less of a pain for me

Need a 2024 update 😂

hold on this guy is giving us the new meta strats. Lets bring them to comp!!!!

Lets see if he predicts a lot correctly when the map comes back

you dont talk enough about the Viper Omen meta that is considered to be the best. Plant B and play lineups with viper and KJ mollie, then spam from mid window.

I wanna get back in time with all my knowledge and play pro tournaments...

now do this for ascent! oh wait

I think if haven was not rotated out, ae would have seen the guard meta this year

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Best Map ever made ngl its on a Level Compared to Mirage and old D2 for me

This map is so gooood, bring it back asap ;(

immortal roadmap is 1.5k to 2k by the way

Not only was Haven one of the first maps, it was one of the BEST maps (fuck ascent all my homies hate ascent)

I miss haven

instead of how the meta evolved... I feel like valorant meta is still so bad. Not of the Meta strats are really able to fight equal to equal with some "non meta" strats. For example. If you play Harbor+Viper on Lotus and play info denial, you can get away with so much. Just isolate your fights all over the map. Take one, take 2. They have so much util, and if harbor only uses high tide, he will have it until full exec. Also, Harbor is the only controller that allows dominating the bomb in 3 sectors ALONE. It does take skill and a higher sensi player, but it's easy to do, honestly. And i never saw nobody diving a bomb into 3. I honestly say the same to Bind and Haven. So much untapped potential in one agent, never used.

In the first match team brax vs team geng I saw that a player named elige was playing Is that complexity cs player elige who used to play for liquid cs or some random named elige?

3:47 negative ping😢

we removed haven for one of the worst fucking map pools ive ever seen

I don’t even play valor ant I’m watching this

why did the thumbnail n title go through like three identity crises lmao. nice video tho

Please do it for other maps 🙏

this video is awesome

i feel like i improved from watching this

banger video

Gambit never played haven, while Envy was the best itw on it

I think ascent shouldve been the one removed 😢

I will be stealing this idea for ascent 😂 oh wait

BRING HEAVEN BACK!

Right now, we have by far the worst map pool ever. Breeze, Icebox, Sunset, Lotus. All of those maps simply aren't fun. Bind is meh and Split feels like a coin flip in competitive, i like Ascent, but the map has tons of issues too, especially b side. Every map is Cypher/Viper forcing you to play default almost every round on attack, with the exception of Icebox, where you literally just send it on a 9/10 rounds. Add the new gun, and the economy of 90% of your solo queue games is a complete disaster. I feel like they're on their way to making the same mistakes they did with league 5 years ago. Too much new stuff, while simultaneously getting rid of stuff that people like. The game is slowly losing it's identity, for the sake of, what exactly? I get that everyone almost always buying light shield was an issue, but the solution just sucks so bad. Losing pistol is just so much worse now and even in buy rounds you struggle and either you play bad guns for usually buy rounds, or you don't buy full utility. Both scenarios aren't fun for anyone. I've literally been shit on from teams where 2 people buy outlaw every single round and i've never had less fun playing valorant.

Talking about Haven without mentioning Vision Strikers at all is actually criminal considering their usage of Breach on Haven was years ahead of the meta.

Can’t wait till the map comes back ruined by the changes

old Valorant funnier to play

all my homies hate haven

Of course.. another video validating the greatest IGL in NA history. That's what I saw anyways

This just looks like the most unfun adhd 14 year old kid game that could ever exist

$200 for the lowest level of coaching is rediculous!

A bit late now that haven's no longer in the map pool...

brother the game is not old enough to make this video

Esports meta, not game meta

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Haven is such a bad map. Cannot stand it