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Today I'm joined by Peter Samsonov ‪@TankArchives‬ (www.tankarchives.ca/) to talk about the IS-2 which he covers in depth in his latest book. Massive thanks to him! This was a fantastic opportunity to dive deeper into the development and details of an awesome World War 2 tank!
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@VulcanHDGaming
@VulcanHDGaming Год назад
This was a special opportunity to get some deep insight into the IS-2! I hope you enjoyed this unique style of video. Thanks to Peter www.youtube.com/@TankArchives for the collaboration and MHV www.youtube.com/@MilitaryHistoryVisualized for helping set it up!
@OneAndOnlyKJx
@OneAndOnlyKJx Год назад
I'd love if you could get this guy back on for more episodes. This was awesome!
@generalleestupid
@generalleestupid Год назад
What a great episode, I really like the the in depth look on the IS2 and how it relates to SD2. Vulcan I would like to see more of these history lessons and how it relates to different video games. Thanks Peter was interesting to hear detailed info on the IS2 your book is on my radar to pick up.
@giants2k8
@giants2k8 Год назад
As something of a military history nerd, with a particularly obsession on the Second World War, I found this video fantastic. I’d personally love to see more stuff like this, if at all possible. Steel Division 2 really does a great job of staying faithful to the history and being as accurate as it can be. After all, it is only a video game.
@vantuz8264
@vantuz8264 Год назад
A great guest indeed Особая благодарность Петру за написанную книгу. Vulcan, a few notes for you: 5:56 In game Nashhorn, Pak 43 and KT have 180mm penetration at 1600m which means standard 54% chance to pierce IS-2 1944. 11:10 Tanks do take damage from HE in game but it's quite minimal. It takes about 25 152mm shots (not all direct hits) to destroy a KT. Not to mention that for "balance reasons" IS-2 and ISU-122 got HE damage reduced to 50% the damage of Su-122 (38% the damage of Su-152). However, if IS-2 encounters a flakwerling it'll be dead in 5 seconds. Not even speculations but something i've personally seen happening in the game.
@Paveway-chan
@Paveway-chan Год назад
Vulcan has popped his military historian cherry! Really cool to have someone like mr Samsonov on a video, he seems very knowledgeable!
@Forestmarko
@Forestmarko Год назад
oh i like this kind of content. If at all possible, please do more - historical campaigns/missions with the insight from MHV or others (like Peter here) might be amazing
@MrKurtank
@MrKurtank Год назад
Fantastic, Vulcan. Way to keep the SD2 torch burning by introducing such fascinating topics presented by actual, factual, guests. Please continue. Although I was disappointed, your guest was no doubt relieved that you did not seek a definitive explication of the hit chance probability matrices as modelled in game , as per any example of AtkPwr using or facing an an IS2. This is a burning question, much like the wrecks on ATPs side of the battlefield.
@TheActualJae
@TheActualJae 11 месяцев назад
Stuff like this is amazing, I'd love more videos like this. I'd love a whole friggin series like this :D
@lonewolf7442
@lonewolf7442 Год назад
This was a great episode! Very informative
@josephwojtkowiak8551
@josephwojtkowiak8551 Год назад
Loved the video with an expert of the field! Make more Kamerad!
@atanasijesimic4651
@atanasijesimic4651 Год назад
Cool video, thanks to Peter for showing up
@MauriceTarantulas
@MauriceTarantulas Год назад
Great stuff! Will take a peek at that book.
@michajagielski8381
@michajagielski8381 Год назад
We definitely need a "nothing happens" crit (aka improved ventilation crit, lowers stress) as well as a "driver survived" crit which makes the tank slowly crawl back to the spawn
@boringpolitician
@boringpolitician Год назад
9:00 - The tank just driving off is something that COULD happen in the old strategy game Close Combat (which I loved for years on end, before SD).
@hetzijzo5601
@hetzijzo5601 Год назад
Intresting, will you do this about other tanks as well?
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Год назад
Likely depends on how well the episode does 😊
@VulcanHDGaming
@VulcanHDGaming Год назад
Possibly! If the opportunity arises.
@MrKurtank
@MrKurtank Год назад
@@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Then we must make sure it does exceptionally well, as I sincerely hope it does, because this was a great idea very sweetly presented.
@Careoran
@Careoran Год назад
Very interesting! One important question though was not covered, that of the gun sights and the true firing accuracy & distances . Will this be mentioned in the book? Cheers
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized
@MilitaryHistoryVisualized Год назад
Yes, there is a graphic about the accuracy.
@TheActualJae
@TheActualJae 11 месяцев назад
9:51 For that mod...what if the tank could drive off map on it's own and, if it makes it, it can be redeployed at no cost?
@PedroCosta-po5nu
@PedroCosta-po5nu Год назад
Where's the driver's hatch on the is-2? Or is it supposed to fit through that small viewport?
@Burdenedwarrior
@Burdenedwarrior Год назад
Great stuff, soooo next the t34 and after the Sherman?
@jamesdown1519
@jamesdown1519 Год назад
This was great, you might have a niche here mate! 👌
@chynabad9804
@chynabad9804 Год назад
Very interesting video. I minor issue, the game sound was too loud. I'd go as far as to remove it completely, only keep the footage.
@Alumenad
@Alumenad Год назад
Brother we need more Warno videos.
@steeltrap3800
@steeltrap3800 Год назад
Thanks for the interesting vid. Would've been nice to hear a discussion of why the 122mm over the 100mm, as the latter had the greater armour penetration and had a higher RoF as well as could have carried more ammo. I believe it came down to HE performance given, as was discussed, targets vulnerable to HE were far more common than armour. Plus I'm not sure when the 100mm started to become available in numbers. All the same, would like to have heard what he might have had to say about it. Cheers
@tiagodagostini
@tiagodagostini Год назад
The 100mm was developed LATER. The is likely the reason it did not became the main weapon of the IS2. Later in the IS series the turrets were already made to accomodate the larger 122 so no reason to downgrade (they were cast turrets so not easy to change anything)
@steeltrap3800
@steeltrap3800 Год назад
@@tiagodagostini I thought the 100mm was originally a naval gun and existed, but hadn't really been considered for land combat as it wasn't thought necessary. By the time they needed something that powerful, it was easier to alter the existing 122m gun. Mind you, I've not checked lately and it's years since I read that particular area in one of the several tech books I have re armaments of the period. Cheers
@tiagodagostini
@tiagodagostini Год назад
@@steeltrap3800 The barrel and chamber existed, but they had to remade the loading and support completely to be usable inside a tank (in a ship you have luxuries of mechanics and rails moving ammo and plenty of space for the support)
@steeltrap3800
@steeltrap3800 Год назад
@@tiagodagostini Sounds familiar, thanks for the details. Cheers
@AECoH
@AECoH Год назад
Great video! However I just can never get fully interested in Russian tanks of the mid-late war, they are iconic in their efficiency but it's the stories of the men and women inside them that are way more interesting. The tanks themselves are wondrous feats of brutal industrial design, but are truly built to be part of an overall sledgehammer, and are expendable and the mystique surrounding them a little less remarkable. The late war German armour on the other hand always seems to have an aura around it due to the design ideals even though they were ridiculously over engineered and the philosophy was a losing one. The Soviet early war tanks the KV1 and T34-76 however seem a little more interesting to me personally, due to them representing defense against overwhelming odds, the stories of their success in the early war brings a character and mistique to them, as cutting edge tanks that offered resistance to a fresh and incisive Wehrmacht. Just my $0.02 :D
@donnym3415
@donnym3415 Год назад
I would like to learn about Russian logistics(or the near complete lack of) in the early vs late war periods
@Alsemenor
@Alsemenor Год назад
@@donnym3415 I am not an expert, but one of the big issues for Soviet logistics in the early war was that a) pretty poor motorization, b) high losses in existing motorization (which also led to losses of things like towed artillery) and a very rapid German advance which overran supply depots, forced factories to evacuate, etc.
@BrezhnevStan
@BrezhnevStan Год назад
coh2 wehraboos when there's an actually efficient WW2 heavy tank design with the weight of a panther at 46 tons (it wins the war unlike the idiotic steel cube tiger)
@donnym3415
@donnym3415 Год назад
@@Alsemenor I was just curious Thanks:)
@Alsemenor
@Alsemenor Год назад
@@donnym3415 I definitely recommend you trying to read up on it for better information!
@CHAlVlELEOlV
@CHAlVlELEOlV Год назад
Im sorry but no the tiger had more penetration than the panther simply because it had a larger diameter shell Muzzle velocity is listed as 810 m/s from the L/56 barrel of the Flak 18 and Flak 36/37. During early 1942, the penetration ability was improved with the introduction of the Pzgr.39 of 10.2 kg weight with a reduced HE filler of 59 grams. Muzzle velocity was 800 m/s. The early Blitzkrieg up to early 1942 saw the use of the large capacity Pzgr. with penetration at less than 100 mm at 30 degrees. The 88 mm Flak APCBC round, which fought the KV and T34 tanks during 1941 and early 1942, was less effective than the round fired by the Tiger's 88 mm KwK 36 L/56. Even the later 88 mm Flak round, with a large capacity high explosive filler (and 9.54 kg weight), penetrated from 8% to 23% less than the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56 APCBC round. Behind the decision to retain the the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56 as the main gun of the Tiger I instead of the Rheinmetall 75 mm KwK 42 L/70, was the fact that at that time, armor penetration was mainly a function of thickness to diameter (T/d) ratio. During World War II, the Armor Piercing (AP) round relied on its own weight (and a 88 mm KwK 36 L/56 gun APCBC shell weighed 10.2 kilograms, as opposed by an 75 mm KwK 42 L/70 gun APCBC shell, which weighed 6.8 kilograms) to penetrate the enemy's armor. Theoretically, the higher the muzzle velocity, the more penetration any kind of AP round would have, all other variables remaining constant. In real World War Two tank combat, however, other important variables intervened, such as the thickness to diameter (T/d) coefficient, which means that the bigger the diameter of any given round relative to the thickness of the armor it is going to strike, the better the probability of achieving a penetration. Furthermore, if the diameter of the armor piercing round overmatches the thickness of the armor plate, the protection given by the inclination of the armor plate diminishes proportionally to the increase in the overmatch of the armor piercing round diameter or, in other words, to the increase in this T/d overmatch. So, when a Tiger hit a T-34, the 88 mm diameter of the Tiger's round overmatched the 45 mm glacis plate of the T-34 by so much that it made no difference that the Russian tank's glacis was inclined at an angle of 60 degrees from vertical. And more: "Armor obliquity-effects decrease as the shot diameter overmatches plate thickness, in part because there is a smaller cylindrical surface area of the displaced slug of armor which can cling to the surrounding plate. If the volume which the shot displaces has lots of area to cling to on the parent plate, it resists penetration better than if that same volume is spread out into a disc with a relatively small area where it joins the undisturbed armor. A plate greatly-overmatching shot involves the projectile digging its own tunnel, as it were, through the thick interior of the plate an overmatched plate will be forced to rely on tensile stresses within the displaced disc, and will tend to break out in front of the attacking projectile, regardless of whether the edges cling to the parent material or not. Plate-obliquity works in defeating projectiles partly because it turns and deflects the projectile before it begins digging in. If there is insufficient material where the side of the nose contacts the plate, stresses will travel all the way through the plate and break out the unsupported back surface. The plate will fail instantaneously, rather than gradually". You can angle the armor any way you want, and beyond a certain point of a shot overmatching the plate, the obliquity will cease to be relevant. In fact, at certain conditions of shots overmatching the plate, the cosine rule is broken and the plate resists less-well than the simple cosine relationship would predict (LOS thickness is greater than effective thickness). The above only applies to WWII era AP and APC/APCBC, and WWII sub-caliber ammunition.
@CHAlVlELEOlV
@CHAlVlELEOlV Год назад
As experience has shown, its weapons allow the Tiger to fight enemy tanks at ranges of 2,000 meters and longer, which has especially worked on the morale of the opponen These accuracy tables are based on the assumptions that the actual range to the target has been correctly determined and that the distribution of hits is centered on the aiming point. The first column shows the accuracy obtained during controlled test firing to determine the pattern of dispersion. The figures in the second column include the variation expected during practice firing due to differences between guns, ammunition, and gunners. These accuracy tables do not reflect the actual probability of hitting a target under battlefield conditions. Due to errors in estimating the range and many other factors, the probability of a first hit was much lower than shown in these tables. However, the average, calm gunner, after sensing the tracer from the first round, could achieve the accuracy shown in the second column". Accuracy: Gun 88mm 36L/56 Ammunition type: pz gr 39, pz gr 40, gr 39 HL Range: 500m (pz gr 39), accuracy 100% 500m (pzgr 40), accuracy 100% 500m (gr 39 HL) accuracy 100% 1000m ( pzgr 39), accuracy 100% 1000m ( pzgr 40) accuracy 99% 1000m ( gr 39 HL) accuracy 94% 1500m (pzgr 39) accuracy 98% 1500m ( pzgr 40) accuracy 89% 1500m (gr 39) accuracy 72% 2000m ( pzgr 39) accuracy 87% 2000m( pzgr 40) accuracy 71% 2000m(gr 39 HL) accuracy 52% 2500m(pzgr 39) accuracy 71% 2500m (pzgr 40) accuracy 55% 2500m (gr 39) accuracy 0% 3000m (pzgr 39) accuracy 55% 3000m ( pzgr 40) accuracy 0% 3000m ( gr 39 HL) accuracy 0% Penetration: Gun: 88mm 36L/56 Ammunition type: pzgr 39, pzgr 40, gr 39 HL Shell weight: pzgr 39 10.2kg, pzgr 40 7.3kg, gr 39 HL 7.65kg Velocity of shell: pzgr 39 773m/s, pzgr 40 930 m/s, gr 39 600m/s Range and penetration: 100m 120mm pzgr39, 100m 170mm pzgr 40, 100m 90mm gr 39 HL Range and penetration: 500m 110mm pzgr 39, 500m 155mm pz gr 40, 500m 90mm gr 39 HL Range and penetration: 1000m 100mm pzgr 39, 1000m 138mm pzgr 40, 1000m 90mm gr 39 HL 1500m 91mm pzgr 39, 1500m 122mm pzgr 40, 1500m 90mm Gr 39 HL 2000m 84mm pzgr 39, 2000m 110mm pzgr 40, 2000m 90mm gr 39 HL As you can see the Tiger would make short work of virtually any tank the Allies had
@CHAlVlELEOlV
@CHAlVlELEOlV Год назад
The sights that equipped the Tiger I up to 1944 were the binocular Turmzielfernrohr 9b mounted parallel and on the same axis as the main gun. The Turmzielfernrohr 9b was an articulated binocular sight, with 2.5x magnification. The range scale was graduated at 100 meter intervals up to a maximum range of 4,000 meters. From April 1944 on, the monocular Turmzielfernrohr 9c (sighting telescope) replaced the binocular Turmzielfernrohr 9b. This sight allowed the gunner to select two magnifications, 2.5x and 5x. The lower magnification was intended for target acquisition, as it showed a wider field of view. The higher magnification allowed precise aiming at longer ranges. The range scale was graduated in the same way as the Turmzielfernrohr 9b sight; at 100 meters it jumps up to 3,000 meters for APCR rounds, up to 4,000 meters for APCBC rounds, and up to 6,000 meters for HE rounds. Tiger platoons could open fire (concentrated platoon fire) for effect against stationary targets at up to 3,000 meters. When firing against moving targets, the rule was to open fire starting at 1,200 meters and up to 2,000 meters.
@CHAlVlELEOlV
@CHAlVlELEOlV Год назад
And as for the Is2 being an issue, yes it was superior in armor to the Tiger 1, but one thing people keep forgetting is that the is 2 was cumbersome to load and did NOT have high accuracy success rates due to the larger diameter shell which would decrease the Velocity (thus higher turret point of fire would have to be done( more margin for error) Here is what the Tiger could penetrate the is 2: Penetration table is 2: Front turret: Tiger vs is2 (100% penetration at 100m) Mantlet: Tiger vs is2 (100% at 100m) Driver front plate: Tiger vs is2 (100% at 100m) Nose: Tiger vs is2 ( 100% 300m) Side turret: Tiger vs is2 ( 100% 1000m) Superstructure: Tiger vs is2( 100% 1000m) Hull: Tiger vs is2( 100% 1500m) Rear turret: Tiger vs is2 ( 100% 100m) Rear hull: Tiger vs is2 ( 100% 100m) As you can see areas where penetration is feasible, adding the good optical sight and high velocity Tiger 1 can successfully engage is2
@s1nb4d59
@s1nb4d59 Год назад
Multiple hits and they keep on trucking,thats why i dont play steel division anymore,once i realized it has no real ballistics model and a two hits your dead policy i gave up.
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