Do you agree with us? They didn't all look the same and there were more variants than just the segmentata early imperial one! WE WANT JUSTICE FOR ROME!
I mean, they have a certain type of armour that they used for a very long time, not the bloody segmented one though. It was a type of helmet rather, and there is the chainmail which continually evolved and outlasted the shortlived but iconic segmentata.
It's even worse, sometimes they use entirely fictional armours, sometimes those fictional armours aren't even shown in the period they were *allegedly* used in, like with HBO's vikings where in one of the promo shots for a new season we see byzantine officers dressed in leather musculata. I guarantee they know how ridiculous this is, but they don't expect their viewer base to know they're dealing with the remaining eastern half of the Empire unless they give them leather muscle armour, and those silly parade helmets that someone saw on Trajan's column (on very flamboyantly dressed praetorians who's kit is all wrong anyways) and decided that every Roman officer must have worn that exact helmet.
The imperial era legions used multiple types of armors - chainmail, scale, and segmented armor alike. The Romans even later started adopting lamellar armor.
I know it's a joke referencing Skyrim but Triarii wasn't a place it was the 3rd element of Manipular Legions of Rome, they were elite armoured spearmen comprised of veterans.
@@fallenhero4550yeah this vid got it wrong, triari was spear phalanx formation all thr time umlike principes and hastati who used swords after punic war.
Yeah, it’s as if the Roman Empire started out as a few Greek city states in what became modern day Italy that grew together and over time broke away from what we would call Greece. Some even argue that Rome is simply a continuation of Greece as Greek city states assimilated into Rome in the same way that hundreds of years prior the assimilated into the Hellenic League or the Acheans before that.
@@christiandemaria9682 well normal people didn't wear well made clothes or colored clothes, those were reserved for the people higher in society, like nobles, clergy, Royals, soldiers or businessmen and entrepreneurs.
"And with time, he would grow into a hero, renound for his bravery. but all long journeys, start with the basics" *paneramic shot fades into first or third person camera angle* *tutorial pop-up*
Or, you know, the Lorica Hamata, late Republic-early Prinicpate. Pretty big chunk missing there. You know, what was worn through the Gallic wars, the Civil Wars, most of Augustus's reign.
Understandable mistake. With most longer swords being drawn that way you might not even consider to check if they might historically draw on the right side 😅
Similar issue with revolvers in the Wild West. The guns weren't supposed to be cross drawn, rather they had the handles facing forward because early revolvers often had long barrels and you can use a twisting motion to draw them out without hitching up your arm to clear the holster.
Haven't seen a back drawn sword in quite a while even in fantasy since after say... 2010-2014, much less in any Roman media. They get the armor wrong but never usually swords (evennif they slice rather than stab in action)@ArmadilloArmada
I want to see a Third Samnite War movie. Such a cool period. Edit: I am fully aware that Hollywood is completely incapable of making a decent movie these days... much less one set in the early republic lol. But a man can dream right?
Modern Italians have no relation to the Roman Empire. They all died in the plagues. By 700 A.D., Rome was quasi uninhabited. All the people that were there, were a few Germanic tribes. Romans today are simply descendant from those who settled Rome in the 11th century onwards.
@@deviousballstickler821 Byzantium was just a historical nickname given to them by historians.They were not even aware of the name Byzantium while the eastern Rome was still standing. no matter how eastern Rome was destroyed, as Anatolian Turks, we carry their phenotypes and we are aware of their history.
Only production I ever see get it "right" was HBO's Rome. They deliberately chose to dress them in correct late republic armor and helmets. The ones that hit that little sweet spot during Caesar's day after they standardized their equipment but still hadn't become the steel vest armored Chads of the empire.
Yea, but I prefer the mid-late republican ones (before Marian Reform), when it was less homogenous (i.e. not a boring mass of men cladded in the same iron uniform). It was the time when they begin to standardize their equipment, but individual soldiers often wear something to show their character and personality (since they were citizen-soldiers, who often bring their own equipment, instead of just bunch of people wearing mass-produced equipment).
The first Rome Total War game actually opened my eyes to the different armour and weapons of the Romans through different ages. Up until that point I had no idea that chain mail was something that the Romans were using.
Europa Barbarorum for the original Rome Total War, and Europa Barbarorum 2 for Medieval 2 Total War are still a joy to play, as they are mods focusing on historical accuracy while giving you many more options in factions and units.
And each time it was changed it was because of a war and they adapted armour and weapons. Each change tells a story or is because of history. Marius changed a lot. Phalanx also changed after 1 war.
People often forget that some people from greece came to italy and Rome took alot of inspections from the greek they stole alot of pillars and a handful of things
The hoplite is not accurate towards the Regal period, though. In Dionysius' references to the regal "phalanx", he is likely using the word phalanx as a general term for a standard infantry unit. Given the environment of Italy, and the irregularity of Italian warfare of this time period, it's reasonable to assume the Latins used a much shorter spear than the standard 12-14 cubit Greek sarissa. The most common Latin shield of the regal period would have looked like a cross between the scutum and a thyreos, and the "standard" armor would have been made with boiled leather unlike the linen armor used by Greek lower-class levies. (linen clothing and linen armor was ubiquitous across Indo-European cultures, but the Latins are unique in that they used mostly wool and boiled leather. There's no direct evidence of the Latins using linen armor until later on in the imperial era, where you have statues depicting emperors in Greek-style linen armor, and the early A.D.s when the legions were using a padded linen jacket under chainmail. The Etruscans, about a century after the end of the regal Latin period, were certainly using linen armor, that may have been influenced by Magna Graecia. It's likely that the Latins may have sparingly used it as well, but linen armor was cheap, wealthy Latins would have used boiled leather and metal, and the lower class Latins would not have been able to afford linen imports. There's maybe a small niche in Latin class III levies who may have used linen armor once in a blue moon.) The wealthiest class of Latins would have used a rounded shield similar to the Greek shield depicted in the video, but in conjunction with metallic armor, not linen. The helmet in this video is not at all like anything the Latins would have ever used. The majority of latin levies would have used headgears roughly similar in appearance to the negau-type helmet. The wealthiest Latins, the ones with the rounded shields, may have used full-protective helmets similar to what the the Etruscans were wearing as well. You have to keep in mind that ancient soldiers were rarely ever uniformed, and the regal latins were even more irregular than that.
Yup, he kept everything and everyone else in line, imagine if you told your boss about shipments not getting in on time, he says “gotcha Iam on it” and the next thing you see is that same boss beating folk responsible with a nasty loooking stick while yelling at them.
Wow! It’s something I learned last night, it’s called a vine staff. It was used to demonstrate the Centurion’s authority and like the previous commenter notes, to whack a legionary who stepped out of line.
Fun fact, romans adopted the so known face/cheeks protection taking inspiration from gallic tribes' helmets, first roman types had a side facial protection made out of three circles plates forming kind of a triangle pointing downward, then a whole piece as an half moon like the one shown here. Cool!
Hey thank you a lot! I'm making a DnD Homebrew and I'm making Kobold Soldiers so knowing all these different soldiers and how they dress really helps me a lot
One of my favorite sayings of Ancient Rome “It’s come down to the Triarii” The Triarii were the final line of older experienced troops and if they were fighting things had gotten really bad.
Later the Republic became a juggernaut the Triarii sometimes petitioned commanders to get sent in so they could actually win some glory before the battle was won.
Why not 1204 (the sack of Constantinople by the crusaders, and the start of the new "Latin" Empire)? If the Nicaeans (who conquered Constantinople from the Franks and "restored" the Eastern Roman Empire) can be considered as the legit continuation of the Roman state, why don't we consider the Usman/Ottoman as legit continuation as well? After all they (the Ottomans) also claim the Roman title. If you think Orthodox Christianity as the prerequisite, then Muscovy's/Russian claim as the 3rd Rome should be valid. Therefore I argue that Roman Empire lasted till 1917. IMO the definitive "Roman empire" is the one in Italy, with Italian culture. It fell in 476 AD (or in 480 AD when the rump Roman state finally annexed into Odoacer's Germanic "Italian kingdom"). IMO Eastern Roman Empire was *a* Roman Empire, but *NOT* THE Roman Empire, just like Latin Empire, Holy Roman Empire, Seljuk (Rum/Roman) Empire, Ottoman Empire, and Russian Empire. They are all a Roman empire, but NOT the Roman empire.
@@CaiusCosades44 Well Eastern Roman fell in 1453,with the mark of fall of constantinople. Constantinople or Nova Roma/new rome was named by Constantine The Great which also a roman Emperor at 330 AD. It got enough proves to be considered as the legitimate continuation of the Roman Empire (after western Roman Empire falls)
Anything after Gladiator is already late Empire, yet the legionaries still seem to be pulled from 400 years prior, right after the Gracii Bros Commie Affairs
Early republician hastai, princepii, and triarii were spearmen, hoplite (in janked way) before they encountered the samnites of Latium and magna gracia. Then they adopted and utilized the Samnites as a forward line in front of the Roman hasati. Since the swordsmen at the time were able to weaken the other italian tribes at the time. Then through cultural exchange, the samnites and Roman Hasati kinda became one. (Which is why the samnites were so pissed by the time right before Julius Caesar. The samnites literally fought as romans for nearly 300 years and still didnt have full rights in the Roman Empire until 70s bc.)
PS triarii would also have avoided using their non gladius swords and favored their spears as vestiages of their past and they mainly wealthy citizens who were too stuck up to change
@@dabo5078not only that, but it was enough for the type of war they fought. They had their shields and favored the formation tactics. That plate protected the most vital torso parts. That’s cost efficient.
@@dabo5078not only that, but it was enough for the type of war they fought. They had their shields and favored the formation tactics. That plate protected the most vital torso parts. That’s cost efficient.
The start of the monarchic era (basically the start of Rome) the military was organised like so: War bands, commanded by a chieftain, were completely devoid of uniform. The foot soldiers of these bands were typically armed with a lightweight throwing spear, a small shield and they would have a helmet made of either wood or metal. The chieftain also had a similar spear, but he also had a shortsword. This sword was his symbol of authority, along with a somewhat decorated metal helmet. When Servius Tullius came to power, he introduced the class system to the Roman Kingdom. This extended to the army, and the 1st class were the hoplites as you see at the start of this video. In the 2nd class, they had less armour, but they had large curved rectangular shields. Then the 3rd class only had a metal helmet and a metal plate across the chest, and a spear and a flat rectangular shield. The last classes were by far the lowest run, only with slings and no armour.
I'm sure it's probably just cheaper to make the last costume and spray paint it a vaguely metallic color, but man would it be cool to see an army of earlier Roman soldiers in a movie.
According to a book I read. The shields are not entirely made of metal but are mainly made of many layers of animal skin and feathers stacked on top of each other.
Thank god for the camera man safely traveling through the different periods of the Roman Empire and bless those Roman soldiers by showing him their weapons, armor, and shields
What do you mean post civilizations? Post means after, are you saying they were after civilization? It wouldn't even make sense if you said pre civilization because they are a civilization. I think what you're looking for is the term ancient civilization.
They used both sword and spear just like most hoplites did. Also makes sense you got backup. Spears can get damaged or break. That’s most cav units also got multiple weapons, or javelinmen
