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Ah yes, Messier once again brings this incredible game to the forefront of my mind, searing random plane facts and specs into my brain cells for my family and friends to indulge in. Thank you for the stellar content. Fly high.
As a material science engineer, i loved this episode. There's so many weird shit you can do with the lesser know elements of the periodic table, not only heat absortion, just look up what your liquid crystal displays are made out of and be amazed, same as the Sidewinder's lenses. Great bird btw.
He used a material with a high thermal conductivity for the leading edges. My first though was about the SR71 using titanium for the leading edges, titanium has a very bad thermal conductivity meaning more heat stays in the leading edges rather than dissipating elsewhere. My second thought was about thermal expansion of these different materials, leading to stress build-ups if not accounted for... Any thoughts?
@@ryanmilne5321 I cant say for other countries, but here in spain is trully SPain without the S. Dont try memorizing everything, try understanding the fundamentals and go from there. Youve got this man.
@@auto_revolt Youve got it yeah, pieces in the aeronautics industry (fuselage, empinage and fuel tanks mostly) are designed with very low error tolerances and for them to accomodate to their enviroment, as you say in the leading edges, heat. The SR71 used its own fuselage and deforming parts as fuel tanks which would seal up when heated up due to thermal expansion. This is why fuselage parts are mostly bolted down instead of welded, even if you increase the weight with the bolts and rivets, its the only way to make sure they meet the working requirements. You are on the right track hahaha
Here's an interesting bit about the SR-71: While on the ground, the SR-71 leaks fuel like a sieve. This is because the fuel pipes are designed to expand in flight, because you can't make them seal properly on the ground without thermal expansion causing the entire piping to self-destruct.
Special fuel additives were designed to keep the leaky fuel from catching fire, and are used in commercial airline fuels today. The SR-71 was then re-fueled after takeoff to maximize range. For its time, it was a fantastic aircraft- and still amazes me today!
The SR-71 was powered by two Pratt & Whitney J58 (company designation JT11D-20) axial-flow turboramjet engines. The J58 was a considerable innovation of the era, capable of producing a static thrust of 32,500 lbf (145 kN). The engine was most efficient around Mach 3.2, the Blackbird's typical cruising speed.
@@ChristopherGriffin-ee2ol Not to necro but technically the engine itself kicks off a steep curve that goes on near infinitely past supersonic and could basically run on fumes, if the engine itself melting wasn't the limiting factor, or theorized to be(Yes SR 71 got speed limited for fears of melting its engines)... but since no j58 ever melted, well never know its true limit
(22:50) "As it turns out, human disentigration isn't very survivable" - Dr. Messier, 2024 (also, this plane is awsome!! I'd like to see a plane build just to go as fast as humanly possible whilst staying within the exosphere)
Another couple of issues with spy satellites, since they are generally placed in low orbits (to get the sharpest image possible), and those orbits are fairly easy to track and predict: 1) The enemy can at least in principle know days in advance when a particular spy satellite will overfly a given site and move assets or disguise them appropriately. Mitigating this would require a very dense spysat network, which as you said would be very expensive. On the other hand, a high-speed stealth recon aircraft gives much less warning time. 2) In a shooting war between superpowers, spy satellite networks (as well as satellite communication and navigation networks) would probably be in short order destroyed by ASAT weapons, due to having very limited evasive and defensive capability. Hypersonic recon aircraft, with bases far behind the front lines and speed and altitude to challenge even modern SAMs, would be much harder to prevent from operating.
Unfortunately they fly over every 90 minutes. Not every few days. Hence photos posted by the us of Russian airbases used to attack Ukraine with a 20 minute spacing. Because well they got more than one. And the US already has every part of the globe covered. GPS has that too
@@elementalgolem5498 If you have a single spy satellite each in a lot of orbital planes, you can get an overflight every 90 minutes, yes - even more frequently if you have multiple per orbital plane. But for a single satellite in a low polar orbit of ~90 minutes, you only get one overflight of a specific location each day (if the orbital period is exactly 1/16 of a sidereal day), or potentially even periods of no coverage at all. That's where the "you need lots of spy satellites and that gets expensive" part comes in. The US can afford that expense.
The problem with ASAT weapons is the debris generated will most likely take down other satellites near by potentially even friendly ones I very much doubt they would be used much because of that
Was actually reading a book on the Blackbird, one interesting thing they found during Desert Storm that satellites have major gaps in coverage due to the nature of their orbits, meaning that on-demand, wide-area, synoptic coverage is difficult to obtain. Schwarzkopf himself said that having an aircraft like the blackbird would have been a huge advantage during the Gulf War, intelligence wise.
I love your planes and I think this one, which roughly represents an SR 72, is a masterpiece. I hope there will be a Steam Workshop soon. So that everyone can enjoy your aircraft.
That's when the SR-87 "Maior Merula" comes in, though slower and more expensive, it can take higher quality maps, it even works for topography, and more, it goes higher than the R-84, as if the multipurpose MK-2000 Camera isn't anymore of a "fuck off", the altitude would be more of a "fuck off"
The fact that the moon is such a high quality texture and that the curvature of the earth is a thing implies (to me at least) that you will be able to go to space in a later version of this game
I still find it insane how fast aviation progressed. The transition from WWI biplanes made from cloth and wood to the SR-71 taking a few decades is wild
@@michaeleler2039 It's all private sector now. Like Space X. though there are countries competing for moon landings now it seems. The space race is back! it's just different and not fueled by war this time. The only good thing about war fueled tech, is that it generally comes along faster and with greater budgets. Everything else about it is not preferable, because war is hell.
My mind immediately went to, "Does 'not Russia' include the Soviet Union?" ;) (I'm not asking; some secrets are best left covered; I just wanted to make the joke.)
Watching this video reminds me a lot about the darkstar in top gun maverick. They really nailed the design of a sleek, high speed jet, props to the team. And to messier for another great video.
Just wanna say, I love seeing people passionate about different things go all out on their projects and going above and beyond just "Making it work" so to speak. It's the little details that were completely and totally unnecessary that really make it so lovable. The shotguns, the survival kit, making the cockpit an escape vehicle. all of the technical details about engine specifications and issues encountered as well as their solutions. Basically making this thing to specification as though you're literally trying to sell it to the pentagon is just so enjoyable. Keep up the great work.
“Big Brother on The Clock.” I Just Love The Dream of Cruising around The World at Mach 5+ So Soothing and Freedomous Go Anywhere, Do Anything The Entire World Is Easily Traversable The Comfort Of Man Know’s No Bounds 0:40 False Fastest Mass Produced Active Military Air Jet Plane, ETC
Thank you so much messier, I have learnt so much from your videos, and you were also the way I found out about flyout, the game of my dreams. Thank You!
"You were speeding, sir." _"How do you know that?"_ "I saw your speed on the RADAR, sir." _"I bought this car from the Air Force - You can't see it on RADAR!"_
I mean if you can have it with little to no downsides I wouldn't call it an issue. Even if it's effective rarely it's still a "layer" but yeah wouldn't compromise to have it
Personally Messier this is the best video yet. Just facts tossed in that aren't overwhelming but interesting. Felt like a good science teacher giving a lesson that actually gets the class LOL.
23:05 An ejection at Mack 5 (3,836 mph or 6173 kph) would feel like being fired out of one the USS Wisconsins 16 inch guns into a brick wall you would experience 10 g’s before you die in a theatrical situation where you can’t die you would experience a rough maximum estimate of about 50 g’s and then pass out due to a severe lack of oxygen being 100,000 ft or 30480 meters in the dam air falling at a speed of 650 mph or 1,046 kph (estimated) towards the dam earth so an ejection pod is required just to survive the first few minutes
how you design stuff like this is beyond me edit: what is your educational background and is ths game some fever dream for you express your interests because I'm all for it as someone who wants to get into aviation/ loves any and all things flight
If you're mad keen on aviation and all things flight, aerospace engineering is the path to take if you really want to get into it. It's definitely not as intimidating as you'd think to get into and there are a lot of bridging courses that can help get you up to speed on any topics you don't know. If you're not at that point yet, RC plane clubs or rocket clubs are a really good place to be. In both planes and rockets, you have a huge range of skills and abilities from people making rockets out of cardboard and glue and passive planes from foam, to full multi stage rockets with full avionics suites and high speed planes with advanced electronics.
I wonder if we ever get a video series that explains different kinds of aircraft shapes and features. I would love something like that! And maybe some Flyout tutorials. I did buy it on release but haven't done much with it yet.
Excellent craft! I would love to see the next video, and as for game suggestions, I'd really like to see how you play Space Engineers. It's my favorite game, and you can make ridiculous creations, as well as play in multiplayer servers. It's aerodynamics mod is not nearly as accurate, but you might like the interesting mechanics and logic automation for controlling your space ships. Anyway, Keep up the astounding creative content!
Out of curiosity, is there any place I can request aircraft from pop culture being made in this game, or no? *EDIT* NVM, I found the place I was looking for. 😊
The R-22 looks so cool, and seems like a mix of the SR-72 Darkstar II from Top Gun: Maverick and the SR-91 Aurora from the Project Aurora conspiracy (that turned out to actually be the B-2 Spirit).
Great work. Detailed and informative. 👍👍 Mach 5 with a pointy nose would be absurd, but stealth is stealth. I just keep thinking of the X15's cannonball front nose/cone
Contrary to a lot of people interested in this area but not actively working on it, I don't actually think that any in production hypersonic aircraft are going to make use of plasma shaping in an attempt to minimize radar cross-section because any benefits you gain from plasma shaping is going to be at the cost of quite literally looking like a new sun to anything with even a primitive IRST sensor. This thing would likely be trackable from orbit by even just weather satellites. Also with as small of a drag coefficient as this thing should have any plasma generated from impaction with the air is going to be pretty minimal because unlike the space shuttle you don't have a massive forward cross section to impart all of that energy into the air. So it's going to be a relatively small amount of plasma if any at all and it's likely just going to balloon your IR signature in exchange for a minor reduction on an already incredibly small radar cross-section. So I suspect a hypothetical successor to the SR-71 is probably going to look at minimizing plasma generation. It might still fly with a cesium doped fuel for generating plasma to help shield its back end because at afterburner that's already going to look like a star to something with an infrared sensor. So you're not really losing anything there. But you probably want to keep the plasma away from your front end so you don't give an IR seeker a really easy time locking you from a frontal aspect which is about the only way it's going to catch you.
A major weakness with hypersonic aircraft and the like is their massive heat signatures. Sure the plasma will easily hide the aircraft from radar but good luck hiding all that heat from IRST sensors. As a side note, I seem to recall reading in Aviation Week &Space Technology magazine that the sweet spot for hypersonics, be they missiles or aircraft, was around Mach 7. Not so fast that you require expensive, exotic materials along with ridiculously powerful, complex and expensive engines but not so slow that you’re vulnerable to interception (at least with known current and upcoming technology)
We have leaks of classified tanks and I think we're about to have some leaks of planes. Amazing content, my head is now heated by the knowledge presented here. Thank you, bro.
aircraft had actually been used for reconnaissance long before WW1; for example, hot air balloons were used somewhat extensively for recon by both sides in the American Civil War and contemporary European wars
Funny story about the sr-71, IIRC it originally had 2 wheels on the landing gear however they kept failing when landing so unsure of what to do they went to a landing gear expert and asked what they should do. The expert said to add more wheel, so now the sr-71 has 3 wheels per gear. Edit: other fun facts about the bird. It carried 16 shots of triethylborane since the fuel that it used jp-7 was so stable pilots used to extinguish their cigarettes in it. It's cameras were powerful enough to read a license plate from its altitude of fl800. It had over 800 missiles fired at it and was never it. The titanium used to build it was bought from the U.S.S.R through shell companies.
Aaaaaaah! Noooooo! He said the C word! Lol. But Messier, great job on this aircraft, and on the montage, I'll be anticipating that short film no matter how long it takes. I would love to see you play war thunder sometime too. Love your chanel!
A correction, plasmas don't absorb electromagnetic waves they reflect them so if your craft starts generating plasmas on the leading edge, the RCS balloons.
"Crossing the Atlantic at mach 5" would be a 1.5 hour flight from NYC to Paris, over 5800 miles. About the same as flying from NYC to Jacksonville, FL, on a regular airliner, a flight of 820 miles.
All I’m saying is that the sr71 had a cruising speed of Mach 3.3 which is the speed the plane can cover the most amount of distance using the least amount of fuel. That speed was done at a very small amount of throttle. Pilots talked about how they could just roll on the throttle and “see speeds you didn’t think were possible”. I don’t know for sure but I’m guessing it could go speeds above Mach 5 full tilt considering it cruised at like a third throttle. Who knows but my money is on the fact that it’s speed will never be matched until another lightweight ramjet designed aircraft graces the sky, if it wasn’t that fast it’s top speed would be unclassified considering it’s been out of service for a while now.
The real “SR-72” is Mach 10+ capable. It is armed the several of the newest B61-13 gravity bombs. It is able to fly from Missouri to Moscow in under 45 minutes.
Just as an interesting side issue ... you have essentially recreated the DCT Chimera engines from Hermeus and your overall design is their Hermeus Darkhorse UAV.