Great video covering the issue! But I have something to add I found out in one of these Facebook groups about the exclusion zones. I'll copy the text for you "Yeah, I have confirmed I can print the entire 305x305 once the exclusion zones are removed in the Slicer as the there are no mechanical limitations. I was able to print parts similar to the lids in my previous post right into the exclusions, which are tiny, and hard to hit unless you really try...." This information was found in the QIDI TECH Official User Group at a post from Scot Etat on first layer porn 😅
Nice! After some debating with different users i think it's there for the AMS in the future, so your print doesn't interfere with the cutting(lower right corner) and purging on the top left. So i think the ams will make the total buildvolume smaller. It's just a guess so take it with a truck of salt 😆 But great nonetheless, removing some command lines and full builplates! Btw, i'm getting posts from the official group but still waiting to get in to see how big the problem is, now at 5 with loose bearings. Will pin your post to correct my statement, thanks for informing me.
@@NoizieWorks No problem! But yes, I think as well those exclusion zones are for the AMS system thingy. It would be great if they have the option to disable it in the slicer. But in my opinion i wouldn't use a AMS, I have a prusa MMU here and I barely use it. I think for engineering stuff a toolchanger is the way to go. AMS? Just for fancy colorful stuff and simple material combinations
@Rraijjar I would use it more for dissolving filaments. Some models are just a pain to remove support and to automatically replace empty spools for a fresh one without having the print pausing for hours because your not home.
I haven't had any issues with my bearings yet, it's been rock solid, but I'll definitely have to keep an eye on it. Only issue I've been having is related to wireless, I connected it to wifi but it's had issues connecting to Orca slicer or Qidi Studio wirelessly, I'm working with Qidi on that though. I've been using the USB until i can sort that out. Outside the wireless issue its been amazing so far, I am a bit bummed it's not a full 305x305, buts it's not that big of a deal, and I'm very happy with the printer otherwise. I was going to get a P1S before this, but I'm still glad I got rhe Plus 4
Its not about a problem being found, its how they respond that matters, and even mentioning that only one person had trouble tells me volumes. It doesn't matter if only 1 person is having an issue or 1000, they owe each individual a fix, regardless of how many people are reporting it. I was going to pick up this printer based on all the positive reviews, but now I am going to wait and see how things go for a few months and then decide which printer to buy.
I figured out why the first layer got weird in the corner, because of the nozzle crash that 1 corner needed adjusting again as it drooped down. My bad!
Had to change the excluded bed area. I homed the printer and tested which space isn't printable in the front right to change that and not get that problem of the Filament cutter hitting the shell. I attached my exclude bed area. 0x305, 0x300, 50x300, 50x305, 305x305, 305x305, 305x305, 305x20, 295x20, 295x0, 305x0, 305x20, 305x305
@@NoizieWorks in my theory that thing is just for the Qidi box and they never tested the printer in all possible ways. If you want you could use it already with macros like Bambu. Cutting Filament so the user just pulls back Filament. But for sure pressing it by yourself is a lot faster since you would have to go home in front cutting the Filament every time. The Macros aren't that nice well thought too. After bed leveling etc. it's heating up in the front left corner oozing Filament when you have a full wiper/clean area in the back to solve that
Really appreciate your continued work and insights! It's a shame there is a design oversight like this on a printer that is SO CLOSE to being really ideal for the money. Don't get me wrong, mine is printing great and I think the printer is still worth it, but I hope Qidi makes a few small revisions to make it that much more problem free. I mentioned in another comment, but as I understand it you actually can force a larger print area. However you'll have to manually configure it and still mind the exclusion zones. Printing a full build plate perfect square isn't possible though. They probably could have made the printhead a little smaller! Hahaha. I also really appreciate that you don't blame the machine for every printing issue and recognize that the filament and settings contribute to appearance. PETG-CF really is a cheat code of sorts. Overall solid results though. Thanks again!
I got my plus4 last week and it’s screen wasn’t turning on. Their support team was quick to answer and offered troubleshooting options, however I’m now waiting on a new screen. If anyone is interested in buying a Plus4 I would wait a couple months until they fix the issues.
I had the same issue with my X-plus 3 But there is no screw and glue to clamp the bearings. They are only clamped by the two plastics halves. And they did wear in. But after a bit back and forward with the service they did provide me with two new plastic half that clamp down on the bearing. Also installed it with some extra glue to prevent it from vibrating and wearing in again.
Thanks for the updates! really appreciate your work. Would be interesting to know if everyone with the issues is in EU (maybe a specific batch) or global. Either way, think i will likely wait a little bit longer. I dont mind the cut outs in the corners, but that should be stated as that can have an effect for people. It is probably a sacrifice/trade off made for trying to get a builder print volume in a smaller body. I think its worth while to do so,, just needs to be pointed out. At least they are on opposite corners so if you need to print 45° to maximize the build size, you still can in one orientation.
@willofthemaker Time will tell, it looks like they where planning to use 2 ball bearings and changed it up as the tooling on the inside looks like it's for the top bearing. I'm speculating now but no denying that it's poorly designed with an even worse workaround. I agree on your take of the exclusion zones.
good stuff on the first layer and measureing that print size...thanks for that. I think the chinese makers are absolutely getting there, and at a good price which does matter...but come on...all us 3D users/makers are getting a bit over the continued hype over spec's and features...we are the people that actual measure, design and build shit...so we are going to find out. We have more respect for (manufacturers) being accurate and upfront with what it is, more than what they want it to be.
Good video as usual. I notice you used high temp silicone for the bearing screws - would low-torque / anti vibration thread glue be adequate if it’s solid until >150C? Surely the screws would never see those temps even at full operation with heating, as they are not in contact with the nozzle? Appreciate your advice!
It's not on the screws but between them in the case they should come loose the void behind the bearing is filled. Those bolts are just screwed into un threaded plastic.
@PerfectPudding untill you feel resistance and the cage feels locked. Let the silicone dry and that should fix it. I printed 2 15 hour prints back to back and she's solid now.
Thank you for the great update video. I appreciate all your testing and detail. I also appreciate when a reviewer indicates "needs tuning", does the tuning, then shows how the tuning worked out. Nice when a reviewer takes the time to figure a solution to a manufacturers issue, and finds a workable solution! I think Qidi should send you a gift for all of your work. I know they gave you printer, but you went beyond just testing.. Kudos to you.
@DK-vx1zc Gifts are not necessary 😆 you subscribing is (JK) Filament tuning is highly underrated these days but the petg is just night and day right. Thanks for the love ✌️
Probably because of wear, bushing don't just wear out much faster than bearings buy, they also wear out the rods. Bearings can be smoother too, the only benefit to bushings I can see is they're a little lighter and cheaper.
I was debating whether to continue waiting to see what Bambu Lab's next printer would be or to take the plunge and purchase this Plus 4. I think I'll wait. I'm not comfortable with Qidi claiming this is an isolated issue because, given the nature of the problem, it's impossible for it to be isolated. A faulty motor or damaged cable could be an isolated problem, but not a lack of glue or its quality. Bambu Lab had an issue with the A1 at launch, and they took responsibility for it. In fact, it's this approach that convinced me to buy one of their printers.
I too was looking the Plus 4 vs. waiting......The issues in this video (thanks Will) should not be happening (quality control/testing issues). I think we'll see more 3D printer offerings in the near future with similar features with better quality. Formnext 2024 is coming... Bambu announcement? Others likley as well....
I bought a Q1 Pro on launch day, and had mostly issues. I want to love Qidi but their QC seems to be off, or they use their early adopters as beta testers.
@@bp8__163 yes and no, i think they lack the testing on scale and 3rd party beta testing to iron out some things most can find within an hour of usage.
Just wondering: with the positioning of the exclusion zones, you could slightly rotate a rectangle to just miss those 2 zones. So the question then is what the maximum surface/dimensions of such a slightly rotated rectangle would be. I'd guess it would still be relatively close to 300x300, no?
You might win 5mm yes(need to test it) but the question is: Do you need it to be square and most importantly should this be disclosed on the marketing material? I only found out trying to do a first layer test so that sucks if you buy it to use every mm² to come to this conclusion.
I have a qidi Max3 printer only about 3 month's old making rubbing sounds not all the time but sometimes and im seeing a kinda rubbing on the bar build up. I did put some 3 in 1 oil on it when it first started making the rubbing sound. it helped but slowly coming back.
I have noticed that enclosed (hot) printers need more maintenance. ABS is famous for depositing crap all over the printer like rails. Clean them regularly and use a thin oil to lube the rails. Depending on print hours this is a bi-weekly procedure as the oils evaporate a lot faster then grease. Hope it helps
Was hyped to get mine up and running today. After watching videos all week on this printer. My printer head crashes right before going into the wiper/poop shoot area. Makes the belt skip and all… paper weight till I hear back from customer support.. all while my p1s prints non spot right out the box,
@@NoizieWorks all fixed. The housing was touching the whipper set up, They sent me a video showing the fix. 👌🏼 just had to squeeze the lower section up..
@freedomofmotion hmmmm... eu should have plenty of stock, not sure for the rest. I wonder how they fix that when it's shipped so maybe worth checking in why it's taking so long.
@@JohnDoe-ot5ir together with the 2 bolts recommended by qidi. I just added the silicone to fill the void IF those bolts get loose for the reasons explained
I don't have my unit yet, but it'll be here Wednesday. Is there a type of spring that you have in mind? It's my first 3D printer, but I'm a tinkerer, and I love figuring out solutions to fix and improve things.
@@Decimus-Magnus Just one from a clothes peg would probably be fine but you will need washers for sure. Basically any spring that is smaller diameter than the head of the bolt but larger than the threads would be fine 😁
Why are printer manufacturers never transparent about the real build size? .. 305x305 is not the size.. Why advertise it as such then? .. FLsun did the same trick with their new printers. This in combination with loose bearings; i think i'll stick with Bambu for now.
@802Garage Not in the qidi studio, i originally imported a 305x305 square and it started complaining about those zones so i adjusted until it fitted. The measurements i gave are the maximum XY according to the slicer. Right now i really need this thing to start spitting plastic for a project so feel free to try it out and get back to me if these are unnecessary boundaries. It could be that they need to update the slicer but at that point i will pass it on directly.
@@NoizieWorks imo its a bit scummy to tell buyers it can print 305x305 when in reality it can only print 298x288. if you advertise it as 305x305 just fckn add extra way for the nozzle cleaning and filament cutter.
bambulab is the best is a metalsheat metallo che fa rumore e fa schifo come macchina nemmeno se me la regalano la prendo e ingombrante rumorosa e poco precisa per non parlare del peso ce un trattore dentro
