How Long Should My Air Conditioning System Last? 

Lots of CROOKS in this industry.

Lots of crooks in all industries including doctors, lawyers, car mechanics, you name it!

Yea

Ours (a Day & Night model 2091E23398) was installed in 1991, so this week it failed after 29 years.

I agree!

Hey thanks for letting us know. Yeah I great idea doing it while it's slow.

Some folks claim American Standard and Trane are not as good as they used to be; I think they sell Carrier or Ruud!

Hard to make them when I'm not In the field as much. Kind of a bummer though as I really liked making them.

Replacement units for R407C already have right oil in them!

Dont you have to refill the refrigerant after a while?

@@ibobeko4309 If it doesn't leak it won't get low. If it's not low, then you don't need to do anything.

Thanks so much!

You rock Juan! Hope you're doing well down in SoCal!

@@foxfamilyheatingandaircond4696 Can't complain. Keep up with the great videos!

What about the refrigerant(gas) , doesn't it need refilling?

I live in the Houston are for 42 years; units run hard all the time; including heat pumps! Our Reliant electric rates are awfully high!

Me too!!!

Joe Biden is part of the problem and he doesn't have a clue!

I have 2 R22 air conditioners. That's I installed in my house in 2002. A 5 ton American standard and 2.5 ton Magic aire. My cousin serviced both my units last week and everything is running fine. I also was able to purchase 30 pounds of R22 for $924. My cousin found a slow leak in the attic. He charged me $500 and it's working like hopefully I get another 20 years.

Those units lasted a very long time; how high are your utility rates?

You can pump system down and replace outside copper lines!

@@bobboscarato1313 that is possible if all the refrigerant didn't leak out though. In general it does seem that a massive refrigerant leak is usually the end of old R-22 systems if the compressor doesn't fail first. Here in Canada, I read that our federal law prohibits topping off a leaking built-in refrigerant system.

You should have insulation in walls and attic checked out with infrared camera; settlement can cause load problems!

How high are your utility bills?

You’re looking at about a few thousand dollars whenever you open up the system which is going to have to be done at the dryers or the filters to the line so you’re gonna have to pull a vacuum if I’m correct you also have to change the oil inside the compressor to mineral oil this whole process is going to take if done right at the very least a half a day you’re going to be doing it on our old system so pulling a proper vacuum is going to take some time so to do all that work and a whole day is easily going to cost a few thousand dollars or should if done correctly by a reputable company The problem that most customers don’t want to understand is on a job like this to repair it it’s gonna take so much time there’s a lot of lost revenue because you can’t run other calls so you’re going to be out there good part of a day operating cost on the HVAC company or high there’s a lot of overhead you got vehicles you got insurance you go skilled labor then you got materials honestly the overhead never ends so it’s a must for a company that wants to stay in business and be successful to charge top dollar there for a job like this if I was doing it to my system at my house knowing what I know the access to materials that I have would probably just cost me a few hundred dollars and a day of work on the weekend but for you it should cost a few thousand dollars and it anyone offered it to you for less I would be weary sometimes it’s best to pay a premium but make sure you demand premium work that’s the key to this doing a job like this if not done right can be a nightmare to you later on being that no matter what you do it’s going to cost a good amount trying to save a few hundred bucks and getting a guy that’s going to cut corners and not pull a proper vacuum would make that money that you just spent a total waste it might not happen soon after the job is done but the longevity of the system is definitely compromised you need to give it some serious thought I know that we all want to save money but just think about it like this if you had to get heart surgery and you were looking at two doctors to do it one was half the cost of the other one and when you asked the doctor that was half price why he’s so much cheaper and he said the other guy just is overcharging just cause he can this really is an a big deal I can do this easily then when you asked the other doctor why he’s so expensive and he went into detail what he was going to do why was it important to follow certain procedures that are really important then back to his work up with guarantees and a reputation who would you go with would you take your chances and spend half or would you go with the guy that don’t compromise his work therefore he don’t compromise on price no this is in as big of a deal as heart surgery but I’d say it matters especially to you a lot of people can’t separate what’s best For them from what they wanna hear they rather hear what they want to hear those are the real crux the people that tell people what they want to hear as a post to the people who tell them what’s best for them

Respectfully, I'll have to disagree La. $650 to recover the refrigerant, replace the filter drier, add a few ounces of POE oil to help with oil return, vacuum the system down, and replace the refrigerant to factory specs at $55 a lb is not near as expensive as replacing a system. I have to disagree with you on this. Which is why I made this video. Real technicians don't mind repairing systems. Salespeople push systems on unsuspecting customers to make their sweet commissions, and my customers need to know this. Don't get me wrong, we love to install systems, its probably my best attribute as a technician, but people should know they have the option. I do appreciate you watching and expressing your opinion though.😃

Fox Family Heating, Air Conditioning and Solar i have been watching from the beginning and I’m happy that you have grown your business as much as you have. So from what I’ve seen especially from the one man chuck in the truck guys is they repair stuff that I don’t think should be repaired equipment that is in very poor condition they throw a Band-Aid on it and I think they do This because I think a lot of their business is based on the clientele they have so if they don’t make money off those people they don’t make money and if they replace their equipment they lose the revenue source for years so it’s in their best interest to kind of nickel and dime a customer and keep adding Band-Aids and leaving that person with the system that’s not reliable they’ll come and do another three $400 repair they may do two of them three of them in a Season and then once they’ve melt a customer for as much as they can then it’s time to sell a system because they sell systems what very low profit margin it’s in their best interest to do it this way at the end of the day I can say this about season and then once they’ve melt a customer for as much as they can then it’s time to sell a system because they sell systems what very low profit margin it’s in their best interest to do it this way at the end of the day I can say this I think your customers are lucky to have you I think you’re going to be very successful because you put a lot of thought and a lot of yourself into your business and I wish you much success. And for any customers or potential customers that are reading this what he saying is definitely true so if someone’s telling you that you need a new system What fox family heating and air conditioning is saying is definitely true and it’s awesome that he is giving you guy what fox family heating and air conditioning is saying is definitely true and it’s awesome that he Armin you guys with this knowledge sometimes what one person would do is different then with the another would The most important thing though is having somebody who puts thought into it and is only motivated by your best interest not his own and I think that’s the moral of what we’re talking about here

Fox Family Heating, Air Conditioning and Solar Oh and you’re definitely giving your customer some good pricing the sad reality of this business is pricing is not dictated based on what’s fair it’s based on what’s needed so many times the price doesn’t reflect on the actual value it reflects on what it takes to keep the doors open keep the employees you need versus the ones that are available I have been great technician oh and you’re definitely giving your customer some good pricing the sad reality of this business is pricing is not dictated based on what’s fair it’s based on what’s needed so many times the price doesn’t reflect on the actual value it reflects on what it takes to keep the doors Pain for talent there is so much overhead with the business like this customers do not realize that how much it cost and what it takes to have a person at their doorstep when they need him and having a good person at their door that is even capable of fixing The System at 7 PM on Sunday and a licensed insured professional With all the right tools all the right knowledge in all the right parts to do the job I’m sure you’ve had this discussion plenty times when someone goes online and see how much a capacitor is

I really appreciate your feedback brother. Good stuff. I can tell you're in it for the right reasons.

Please consider using punctuation in your future responses. 😎

Ready for the summer!

Yes I would get a second opinion. If you have a leak in the coil, the coil can be replaced. With the shortages this year in equipment it's possible to add refrigerant til the end of the summer when equipment supplies get back up to par?but at 8 years old, ita not time to change the system. At 8 years old the parts may even still be under warranty? Have another (not big) company come out and give you a second opinion. You're the customer the system can be repaired as lo g as replacement parts (universal or OEM) are available, or you can change the system.

Yes!!!!

@@foxfamilyheatingandaircond4696 Don't forget to allow for rampant inflation!

It surely took you a long time to wake up!

looks like i am a realy slow learner- i trusted these people HUGE MISTAKE----there sales people are realy good.@@bobboscarato1313

Were the system replaced due to possible higher efficiencies or simply due to major malfunction?

Crazy, huh. You saved a ton just gaining a little education and DIY, and that was way before youtube tutorials. I have a new Goodman on order that I will install myself except for brazing the lines, pulling vacuum and adding 410a. I'm not confident enough to do this. If it was plumbing, yes, but not on expensive AC equip. The HVAC tech will charge around $600 and with the cost of the equipment I'll be under $4k total.

@@DSC800 Well you need to use SILVER SOLDER with ac line AND ALWAYS use a HI PRESSURE line dryer to trap and crap that is in the lines...Vacume pumps are not that much BUT you will probably never use it again lol...600 is a lot for a few hours work but if you are not confident then ya have to do it. MAKE sure you learn MAINTAINENCE on your own and you will keep that unt running fo a LONG time

@@davem1430 Yah, I think I could do it but would need to buy the pump, 410a, etc and could still screw up at great cost. It needs a TXV installed for example and would need nitrogen while brazing, etc. Plus, warranty requires an HVAC tech signoff. The unit I just junked was vintage 1986 and I never had any outside maintenance done. I know neighbors that spend over $200 a year and just get one quick visit. On mine the evaporator finally gave out and nothing to do with maintenance. Unfortunately the r22 leaked out though. My neighbor just had theirs replaced with a Trane for $14k! They were sold on new ducting with UV lights, etc. These houses are not that old and the ducting was fine. Felt bad for them but just complemented their system and their electric bill did go down quite a bit. I think their savings went to the maintenance contract though, the hvac companies sure like to scare the consumers into buying them.

You need to go to school and learn the trade; HVAC requires experts to work on it! Else, you'll spend lots of money!

Sweeeeeeet!

You could use an evaporative cooling unit. No compressor to worry about; it can drop outdoor temps by 30 degrees!

You need an expert heat load calculation; don't forget that that most utilities have very high rates right now!

Thank you so much!

probably no insulation left o any of the duct work from aging and rodents. other attic/wall insulation that settled and lost R-value. I'd start looking there ;)

@@throttlebottle5906 I appreciate your comments but I can see almost all of the ductwork in the attic and it looks fine. I can measure the temp drop right at the air handler right across the evap coil and see it is only 12° there so I am pretty sure it is a refrigerant restriction but I need to do more checking. I'll be looking for temp drop across the filter, reversing valve etc.

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For that money you should get entire system replaced including extended warranties!

Sounds like your system was grossly overcharged with refrigerant!

Good idea; just don't wait too long; they usually fail around the 4th. of July and then you won't get help!

Haier is made in China! Don't expect quality!

Lol!

You need to call a licensed HVAC co. or two who can't evaluate the condition of the system. You can't just learn from videos; maybe is a loss of shading from trees. Check their BBB complains or call trade associations listed online or yellow pages!

Yes I do notice people dow that. (I did it too once I changed mine out)

Mine is 21 years old the fan failed last week they want me to replace the whole system. I told them to replace the fan motor and capacitor and see what happens. I'm not dumping 10k if I don't have to