how many Super Mario games are there? 

Already watched it 👍

came back to rewatch this one before watching the sequel 🎉

yay

@@needlessnoiseME TOOOO

Im gonna throw up if i hear “SUPER MARIO BROS” one more time lol

Wait a minute, haven’t you played a super Mario game?

Oh hey there xidnaf! I guess i shouldn't be surprised you're a jan misali watcher, considering the genre overlap between your videos. id love it if you made more!

Yoooo dude love your content so much

Hey buddy

I played a few of them but feel more or less the same.

What even is reality?

@CybersheII yeah. The Super Mario mainline is 64, Sunshine, Adventure, Adventure 2, Heroes, and Shadow the hedgehog. They hit a bit of a dark age after that.

The bloody morons

You could probably argue that it isn't if your definition is skewed more towards newest-to-oldest because of how weird it is compared to other universally agreed "Super Mario" games. 3 and World play differently (same core components but still, there's a significant difference) that I could see you not counting it as a real "Super Mario" until 3 since both versions of 2 are weird fringe cases as basically a kaizo level pack or a reskinned game. I personally think it's a bit absurd, but there's definitely a case if you're lookin' for it.

I think Super Mario Bros. is a Super Mario Game, but there could be an argument for it to not be. Super Mario Bros., Super Marios Bros. Special, Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels, Super Mario Bros. 2, and Super Mario Bros. 3, New Super Mario Bros., New Super Mario Bros. Wii, New Super Mario Bros. 2, and New Super Mario Bros. U all have Bros. so they can seen as seperate from the mainline Super Mario series as it can be seen as a different series. I don't think that they're not part of the Super Mario series (except for Super Mario Bros. 2) but that doesn't mean there can't be an argument made against it even if it's totally unreasonable.

"Why are you buying Mario Bros. at the soup store?!"

“I’m at New Soup”

NEW soup? What was wrong with the old soup?

It originates from Superman comics if I remember, people called him "Supes" at times, pronounced like "soups", and then it eventually caught on for Mario games.

If you want to, you can also apply many of the lessons learned in this video to categorisation and labels in general. My takeaway is that while categories *can* be useful for communication, they will never capture reality perfectly, so we need to be prepared to set categories aside when they stop being useful. For example, if you want to challenge yourself to complete every Super Mario game, you're going to need a workable definition. But if you're asking whether you want to buy the new game that just came out, asking whether it's a Super Mario game is probably going to be less useful than a description of its gameplay, story, characters, and other qualities.

bowser’s big bean burrito

@@Podzhagitel oh god

@@Podzhagitel Would buy

I’m here at my

Super Hornio Brothers

Oh my god Please no ***No***

oh.

Lol idk why but I love the fact that this statement was made by R. O. B.

Oh gosh your technically right but by that logic every book is a remix of the dictionary and every dictionary is a remix of human language

@@williamwashburn7665 these are also true.

I'm really not so sure. I keep watching the trailer, and it feels like the inverse of 3D World. A 2D mario game which plays like a 3D one. Collectibles were emphasized far more than other 2D games, and a lot of the levels looked mission based (there were definitely races going on for certain levels). So you know it could run into the same problem 3D World did just from the opposite perspective.

Still, given that it is basically built off of 3 and World, is 2d focused (even if it is collectible focused which was never a point of the beginning stuff) and is clearly Mario vs Bowser with no twists and stuff like that, depending on how much the Wonder Flower gimmicks rule the levels this could be the next unambiguous Super Mario game in consensus and gameplay tropes.

Wonder? No way is that a Super Mario game.

Honestly, yeah. Super Mario wonder matches pretty much all the same criteria that SMB1, SMB3 and SMW do. It isn’t part of the “New” series, it isn’t a 3d game, and it is on a main Nintendo console.

@@OmniChrome100t is literally called “Super Mario Bros Wonder”, which seems very straightforward to me. Would love to hear your argument

Now this just makes me want to try and come up with some vaguely reasonable pretext not to include it. Ok, how's this: what if I decide that the title implies it's a spinoff-- maybe I only accept 2D platformers whose names are formatted "Super Mario ___", possibly followed by a number, where the larger series is broken up into subseries denoted by what that word is. So I would include SMB, SMB2, SMB3, SMW, and Super Mario Land 1 and 2. Super Mario Bros Wonder therefore must be a spinoff, because if it were part of the "Bros" subseries, it would have to be called Super Mario Bros 4, and if it were part of a new subseries, it would have to be called just "Super Mario Wonder".

@@ohno5559daisy’s in it, thats a reason

For it to be unambiguous, it would need to be called "Super Mario Bros 4(5 for japan i think)"

But is the Switch Lite really a home console?

@@Sumisuu kind of, id say its both a handheld and a home console

should I interpret this as 'there are more mario games that don't exist than mario games that do' or 'there are more not-mario games than mario games', because both are pretty deep

@@Patashu yes

Even after seeing this comment before I finished the video, I still burst out laughing when I got to that line.

Waluigi Taco Stand recognition

I think maybe it's supposed to refer to cancelled games or fan games?

Underrated comment

So basically Vsauce.

I feel like some people will argue it falls within New Soup anyway

Even if it doesn't, it's definitely gonna at least be the 19th game in the mainline Super Mario series.

@@anneprocterI love a good relaxalax reference

I literally scrolled to see if someone talked about wonder

@@DaytilionJamesJrIIIDidn’t he abuse his wife

GOSH ME TOO It has appeared so many times in my recommended feed and I watched it just now!

same 💀

bruh actually exactly same

Same 😂

Ditto

Me too

They voted Delaware only and ran away screeching

Probably not the best conversation you would have had :D haha lol. - 1.1% of people presumably

I don't think any of them were both serious and knew anything about the Mario series

but that's like, just their opinion, man /s

Kewl comment razbuten

this is in fact an interesting comment

A verified youtuber that I have never seen before? Here's a like.

At this point I need to find a way to track your comments just so I can find more good content, dude

It's called having incredible thumbnail game. Good job!

yep, rewatching because it’s in my extremely prestigious “greatest videos on the platform” playlist

My parents would like this classification. To them, every game is "Mareo Brothers"

Doki Doki Literature Club is pretty great too

Cookie Clicker is the 538962th Super Mario game.

Red Dead Redemption 2 is the best Final Fantasy

My favorite Mario games are the legend of Zelda wand of gamalon/faces of evil

I mean there are Mario microgames in it so…

Can't wait for Mario's 40th anniversary where we get Super Mario 3d all stars 2, featuring: - WarioWare Smooth moves (Wii) - Super Mario bros. 3 (Unreleased PC version) - Dr. Mario & Tetris (SNES) - Super Mario Run (Android/ios) - Kid Icarus (NES) - Super Mario Pinball (GB) - Kaettekita Mario Bros. (FDS) And of course, how could we forget: - Mario Cooking Noodle (Adobe Flash)

@@kimgkomg i think golf (NES) should be included too

@@Running_Colours and sm63

“Death”- The Judge

super mario flash by poeuetpu games counts as a mainline super mario series.

Yooo Super Mario 63 is one of my favorite games of all time! It's definitely not a "Super Mario game" but it's high-quality enough to be one. The main story levels were just like any other Super Mario game and had pretty fair difficulty. It even had a janky level editor where you could modify the level codes to make enemies act like NPCs or put colored text on signs. Fantastic game, I must have spent hundreds of hours with it as a kid lol.

U are a fucking genious

Nope

nintendo hitsquad en route

You actually have a good point there. It's technically the truth...

Thank you Diogenes

Facts

one time i overheard two teenage boys on the bus arguing with other about whether it was worthwhile to live a noble but unremembered life. one was saying there's zero point in helping people if you have no legacy whatsoever, and the other was of the opinion that helping others carried innate value that inherently makes the world better, and so even if you're forgotten about it still was a net positive. Maybe one of the most surreal experiences of my life

​@@EtherBotGames taking the bus in Athens

​@@wyattmiller9539really hope they took philosophy later

new soup mmmmmmmmmmmm

I think the main thing that discludes Mania is that it's partially an old level compilation on top of its original content. By that same token though, doesn't Sonic Frontiers include reused level geometry for some levels? Defining mainline entries is tricky, dang.

I mean the switch is a handheld, and the artstyle is very different from anything we've seen before. I assume it would be about as controversial as the 3D games

@@usernametaken017 mario 1 looks nothing like mario world what do you mean

Unraveled might be ended. But it still lives on in our hearts.

First: great comment, Second: I used that exact profile picture for a while so seeing it on someone else through me for a loop. In fact I had cropped the image myself, and yours looks to be using the same crop so I wonder if I was the source for the one you are using

Ikr, this video reminded me of the link timeline unraveled

38:47 he is fully aware

@@jameswoods8843 is the question directed to me or quintsly?

is ap54 a podcast?

@@travdump209 it's episode 54 of the Artifexian Podcast

@@jahinzee Misaly was on that? I listened to that episode but only discovered Misaly much later. Shame on me for not checking out the guests.

LMAO

😂😂😂😂

I did not have that expectation but I am laughing far too hard at the mental image now.

@@hughcaldwell1034 It happens for me every time jan Misali says "are" followed by a slight pause.

@@billyweed835 The slight pause is the sound of a colon.

Are they wrong though?

I mean you could probably a decent mario game out of The State of Delaware

I consider it part of the Delawario series.

@@franrogers5723 No, it's part of the -ware series. There's Delaware, WarioWare, and Bioware.

@@Duiker36 Don't forget Adware and Warewolves and Warehouse.

out of context, mindblowing. in context, hilarious

I want to start a new RU-vid series with that title right now....

i had been thinking about that video since they mentioned the BS games!

lmao this

jan misali, master of ytp

After learning about the Unraveled videos and binging all of them, this feels very much like a spiritual successor to those videos.

I miss BDG

Just finished it.

Sure :)

Glad I desided to rewatch this video.

I call my 2-year procrastination in watching this video a success.

Just finished it!

My time travel plan is to load a bunch of mind blowing future media onto a flash drive and bring it back to when those different media are first invented to encourage the inventors to keep going. ... Wait, they're not going to have anything to plug the flash drive into. Dangit!

Woah, I read this comment at the exact time it was said in the video! What a coincidence

@@Dargonhuman bring a laptop!

@@thegameshack3529 Presumably one with a beefy battery, nowhere to charge it. If you go far enough electricity just doesn’t exist, then again I doubt you could use a 19th century steam engine to charge a 21st century computer.

@@gwest3644 could also bring a solar powerbank. Just make sure not to break it 😎

Is the switch a home console though?

@@davinchristino yes. it is. it can be played at home, on a tv screen. its a handholdable home console.

​@@Skivv5i think thats called a hybrid

@@Skivv5 You can play Gameboy games on a SNES

​@@laytonjr6601 Not out of the box

I hate how true this is

Yea....

"Super Mario 3D World" would've also had to come out in the 90s for that title to make any sense. But assuming that's the case, that still wouldn't make either Captain Toad, Wario Land or Yoshi's Island to be part of the main series, since having "Super Mario Land 3" or "Super Mario World 4" as part of the title was decided only for marketing reasons, to have a new series or game attached to a more well known or popular series. I think that if you include Yoshi's Island or the first Wario Land as part of the Super Mario series, you'd have to include ALL of the Yoshi's and Wario games.

There is ONE difference with Yoshi's Island: it actually has Mario in it. He is, in fact, on-screen more than any other character, including every single one of the playable Yoshis. It can even be described as a 2D platformer where the goal is to run and jump through the levels while ensuring that Mario does not die due to hitting enemies or obstacles. In other words, a Mario game.

There was no "carry baby Mario" sections in 'Mario World' or sections where you play as Wario in 'Super Mario Land' tho.

personally i think crazy straws are kinda weird and stupid

@@Bacony_Cakes i think they're weird, but not stupid

@@CJWproductionsi think that if they're spun clockwise they're weird but not stupid, and if they're spun in a vertical clockwise fashion with more than 3 loops they're neither weird nor stupid

@@elizabethkasner5799 Based

"I disagree strongly with whatever work this quote is attached to." -Randall Munroe

ok

I dId NoT kNoW yOuR bRoThEr Is MiAmOtO.

@@j100j I like how this implies Shigeru Miyamoto only owns Super Mario Galaxy

@@givecamichips it also implies that super mario galaxy existed when shigeru miyamoto was a kid

Accurate

WELCOME TO PHILOSOPHY! The field which directly results in you knowing less than you did before you studied it.

@@EmeraldLavigne more accuratly is the dunning krugar effect

Yeah it's like getting a tool for a super specific part of farming that was last used in like 400 ad

​@@dolphin5177no its more like getting the tools necessary to do a job that has become obsolete and is not practiced anymore for thousands of years.

Was that a good transition? He was talking about Mario Maker

hello there

i watched 1000 super mario speedruns this is what i learned?

The true origin story

What? I don't get what you're trying to say here, you either went full idiot and wrote something different than what you meant or you're saying something that has no logical meaning.

@@MuscarV2 He's saying that when you look in the description, under the "games" section, the game being listed as being shown in the video is Yoshi's Island. P.S. Hi Raymond

I dread videos that turn off subtitles entirely, specially since auto generated CC are turned on by default, that's kinda evil

Same

Yo i love your videos

Heyyyy we got a celebrity here!

Hi Nath love ur vids

Cool

nobody?

@@toadfrommariokart64 nobody.

@@General12th Nobody:

Always has been.

no but really. why "nobody"?

It is part of the new super series for now

@@theunholybanana4745 What makes it part of the New Super series?

@@theunholybanana4745 It doesn't have 'new' in the title, which is the defining factor of that series.

The game is set in the flower kingdom, not the mushroom kingdom, so some idiots might go “no. Not mario gam!”

@@TateyWateyMateyYT I mean, Super Mario World is set in Dinosaur Land, not the Mushroom Kingdom too. So is SMW not a Super Mario mainline game?

Yes

love *wahs*

Love wins brah

Cant find it

Oh my gosh, good catch! I love it! 😆

Super Mario Bros 2 was a dream by Mario We can safely assume that the inhabitants of New Donk City are humans When you put Mario next to a New Donker, you clearly see that Mario isn't human And, of course, which known species isn't human? Sea Turtles Mario is a Sea Turtle and Sting's debut solo album is a reference to Super Mario Bros. 2

@@sonarchy5158 Couldn't have put it better myself

*Blue Turtles

I love the internet

@@quad7685 It's moments like this that make me really happy to be part of this kind of community.

I can only imagine Jon Arbuckle sitting in deep silence for several hours before suddenly that Duck Hunt is the best Super Mario Bros. game.

Obviously E.T. Is the best Super Mario game.

@Tom Ffrench except what if it wasn't a person shooting?

@@CLOYO perhaps you're right next to the dog, camoflauged in the greenery, not shooting away from the screen, but towards it.

Wait I thought Metal gear solid was the best Mario game :/

Practically the only thing Wario Land games have in common with the rest of the Mario franchise is Wario himself. The mechanics are different, the enemies are different, the levels are fairly nonlinear I feel like these are the reasons the Wario Land games aren't Super Mario Games. They're a spinoff series. Luigi U, however, plays identically to NSMBU

Are we completely sure wario isn’t siblings with Mario and Luigi?

@@Histgyph yes

@@Histgyph Wario is German, Marios are Italian.

@@Jotari I somehow never knew that

Honestly my favorite one was "After all, they are the ones who lost the levels in the first place". It was just so unexpected and probably not even really meant as a joke but I just found it so funny for some reason.

the super mario watch section, and the yoshi island section "both! love wins" and then when it switched to wario "both! love wahs"

@@Lumpfriend What are takodachis doing here?

Same bro. 🤝

Right? Even more cursed is how the bizarre color pallette and glitchy graphics of the game make it look like something out of a creepy pasta lmao.

I know, right? When VS. Super Mario Bros. was released for the Switch, I was like whaaaaaat this is an official update / mix of SMB1 and Lost Levels, AND THEN a little later I found out that there was another one, but it was the other way around (using Lost Levels as the base game instead of SMB1).

I actually saw it in person the day before this video came out. Someone i know has a famicom with a famicom disk system with this game. It blew my mind then, so imagine my surprise when its mentioned here.

I don’t think the Land games ever conflicted with the Super Mario series. But it is nice to know Daisy is an actual character, and not just a character trotted out in spinoffs.

Ouch

ah yes. I particularly love World 1237612541726 1268763728637. like the randomly placed enemies everywhere! great level design on the creators

No. No god please no

This is the wokest take I've heard

Best take I’ve ever seen

There are a Marioplex amount of potential Super Mario games

triumverate

Isn't a trilogy also a kind of ring? Was that a pun?

​@@fabiob7261 they did make a trilogy with rings in the title, but I think you might have had a stroke and lost your vocabulary or something, that's far from what it means

@@dionyzus2909 no I just checked, a trilogy ring is a ring with three stones, I saw it while searching for the engagement ring for my fiancée, there's a famous one from Tiffany for like 10k or something ridiculous like that Also yeah the pun was never there, I did have a stroke I think

Makes more sense than Super Mario All-Stars containing a trilogy of four games.

By that logic, Super Mario Odyssey isn’t a super Mario game because no future Mario games take from it since there are no future Mario games (unless you count Bowser’s Fury, but that takes from 3DW and Sunshine mostly)

@@danieldavid3766 I don't think your rationale is valid. A Mario game doesn't have to wait until another game comes out for it to be considered part of the franchise. No "future" Mario game has taken elements from Odyssey because Odyssey is still he most recent 3D game (Mario Wonder is 2D, and 2D games rarely borrow elements from 3D ones). Also, Nintendo lists it officially alongside the other Mario platformers in their website

"there's nothing in the rulebook that says a pair of toddlers can't make a mainline Super Mario Game"

I've been thinking a lot about this comment ever since I read it a few moments ago

finally something I can agree with

Personally, I believe the crappy Mario maze toys McDonalds released very recently are also canon.

And the japanese anime movie’s ramen.

The best take

Mario's egg catch???

As if there's such thing as an obscure Mario game lmao.

@@AAA-qm9km don't act like game & watch, game watch, and watch aren't obscure

@@AAA-qm9km Why are you a lesbian?

@@AAA-qm9km I'm Palestinian actually luv xoxo

@@seronymus should have checked your channel first because I'm used to these comments being unironic

That’s a really good analogy

That's a pretty good way of looking at it actually! Also thank you for teaching me the term "backdoor pilot"

So what you're saying is that Yoshi's Island is to Super Mario Bros. what Steamed Hams was to the Simpsons, but if it was actually successful instead. Huh. Cool.

I would have loved a world where Steamed Hams was a spinoff starter because that would extend The Simpson franchise in a meaningful way such that a 32-year reign made sense.

They make great content but my brain was also fried by the end *insert it's always sunny meme*

Super Mario series new game remake land plus Nintendo unique 3D Wario watch platformer Yoshi U bros rerelease entry Luigi deluxe world 2 advance spin-off port maker USA

@@user-bv7um1ds7y which one?

how slow do people talk around you when his speech is considered rapid?

Shigeru Miyamoto really liked the video and is blocking Nintendo's efforts to render it obsolete [citation needed]

Clearly the next entry will be a licensed Super Mario movie game

What about the Mario Rabbids games?👀

@@sarinabina5487 not mainline. Those are tactical real time strategy games not platformers

@@goose7618 OH RIGHT fair enough i forgot lol. Happy Holidays btw!💖

The mainline super mario series is actually a featherless nulliped.

Behold, a mainline Mario game! Super Mario Bros Game & Watch (1986)

When you can claim Sticker Star is a mainline Mario game because it has platforming, classic Mario enemies, and even Luigi and Toad

When you’re having new soup U, “oh come on I had this soup yesterday” “no that soup had wii in it”

"Welcome back to SOUP! SUPER MARIO MAKER, welcome back to SOUP!"

same! plus i love the air twirl mechanic

Watch Dunkey, his favourite game is still SOUP-

@@CLOYO I think you mean SOUP 2

You could say that these two form their own "Mario Advance 3" mini-series

@@copycat2696 This is a frightening comment, I am in awe of your power

@@benjamintoulouse7052 that's a solution, i guess, but the complexity of a full percentage score seems more confusing than enlightening here. just a few intermediate statuses would probably be enough for my tastes and avoid needing one sharp cutoff between distinct games that are part of the series count and games that aren't distinct enough or "super mario" enough to count. all depends on how you prefer to interpret the question!

@@benjamintoulouse7052 honestly, i think that it's a better idea to have multiple different classification systems in use for different purposes. if you're asking "how many distinct games are in the mainline Super Mario series" then a scale with just a few steps is better (2 or 3 seem most apt and have their own pros and cons), but if you're asking "how many kinds of Super Mario game are there" or "would this particular release be considered a Super Mario game" then a rating system with a wider scale makes more sense. that's my opinion, certainly fun to think about!

"Boolean answer"? Really weird way to say "yes or no answer"

XDD

Way off

(the short name is actually `misali`, like how you wouldn't call hatsune miku just `hatsune`)

@@hecko-yes Right, as is proper. I guess I kinda just forgot.

@@hecko-yes was it changed from 'jan' ? because that means person lol

@@alfiealfie35 yeah funny thing is, the owner of ma pona (a toki pona discord server) does go by just `jan`, hella powerful

@@hecko-yes hello i am yes person

This is the crossover I never expected to happen

As soon as the video mentioned "mainline Mario series" being an alternate name for the "Super Mario series" I disagreed but also thought of your marathon as a fairly respected source on the question, and I was impressed to see that the most common list (and jan Misali's preferred list) matched it exactly! (I then scrolled down to see if anyone had commented a similar thing, and saw your comment at 1 minute old, but I wanted to watch the rest of the video before reading the whole thing) The part of the video about the "3D Mario series" was also very interesting, as the Super Mario 602 took the stance of excluding 3D Land and 3D World (although then the 982 sprung up and added 3D World but still not 3D Land, probably as part of the "home console bias" mentioned in the video). A lot of my personal experience with the Mario franchise comes from watching speedruns and so I have biases towards what the speedrun community has agreed on, but if there is such a thing as the "3D Mario series" then surely 3D Land should also be included. I can understand excluding both games in the claim that they aren't "open world/sandbox games", but I think the status of 3D Land should go along with 3D World, and perhaps the reason it hasn't is that 3DS capture devices are difficult to come by and so speedrunners can't easily include it in their events. I'm interested to know what your thoughts on this topic are, and whether it's fair to call the 602/982 a marathon of the 3D Mario series or whether it should just be seen as a collection of interesting speedgames that don't form a complete set (after all, we'd have to add Odyssey now and that would add 8+ hours onto an event that is already intimidating in length). edit: Oh, and I suppose Bowser's Fury is also in contention as a "3D Mario" game as well now, so we get to have that whole debate again!

I have a logically consistent reason for including Yoshi's Island but excluding Wario Land: I do not believe the Super Mario Land series, as a whole, is part of the mainline Super Mario franchise. I only hold that belief out of home console supremacy, though.

@@ohay12 the 602 predates all of those games. The real reasons for those categories existing are that 602 was originally all 3d mario stars, then 3d land came out and it's kinda not the same and doesn't have stars, 3d world is sometimes added purely for the fact that it has stars, and Odyssey is rarely but sometimes included purely for time reasons. The run is already 20 hours long, most people barely want to try that let alone that plus Odyssey 880. I think 3dw is added just for fun where possible. I don't think it fits the category. 3d land 285 medals fits even less. The dumbest thing is when people will question whether 3dl/3dw are "3d mario games" and sometimes go as far as saying they're "2.5d" or something stupid like that. They are obviously 3d mario games lol, and it's hilarious to question this for the titles which literally have 3d in the name. They're simply not traditional 3d mario games, and that's a perfectly fine distinction

helo