How Many Tugs Does It Take To Move A Battleship? 

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Iowa class battleships only have three 16" guns per turret, not four.

Plz were do u make these animations

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I have 30k battles in wows and my advise dont start to play game , is a shit show now , honeymoon period is over and now they cash out , so is not worth to start play game now.

sounds like he wanted full credit for the mission, and he did get credit. just not exactly the way he wanted.

This info should have been included in the video. Thanks for providing the info.

Sounds very deserved in both cases.

Thanks for answering the questions I had not yet asked!

Seriously`? I did not expect a fair result.

Trying to screw your incompetent superior as hard as humanly possible while keeping everyone's else's hands squeaky clean. A man after my own heart.

When you can't get a bad decision in writing beforehand...get it any way you can afterwards 😂

Ahh so you’re rewarded for being a coward and slimy and throwing everyone else under the bus in the military, I guess I knew that it’s just weird you make it sound like a good thing

The 2013 crash of Asiana Air Flight 214 at SFO was blamed on the FO being afraid to contradict the captain. Three people died and nearly 200 were injured.

@@JarrodFrates It seemed unfair to me to put the whole blame on the FO considering the captain made the initial mistake. At least, they should share the blame. I decided to look it up on Wikipedia (yeah, yeah, I know...I didn't want to take a lot of time), and what they described was different. The left (Captain's) seat was occupied by a captain getting his Initial Operating Experience. The right (Flight Officer) was occupied by a captain who was the trainer/instructor/Pilot in Charge. While there was mismanagement in the cockpit, there was also poor training of this airlines' pilots in visual landings (the airline preferred to let the computer do the work, but SFO's ILM was down, so the pilots had to land visually), and poor understanding of the various modes of automatic systems (pilots thought the autothrottle was active when it wasn't).

*cough cough* Tenerife *cough cough*

​@@JarrodFratesof those three deaths at least one was killed by the fire department.

@@rilmar2137Tenerife was caused by the entire KLM crew developing a sudden case of what the industry calls “get-there-itis” (running out of time and in that case wanting to get in the air as soon as possible, in most cases of “get-there-itis” they want to get on the ground as soon as possible)

thats what military members mean when they say pulling rank, its that your relying on rank to order troops instead of leadership, instead of allowing said crew to report that it might be a bad idea or how to do better...

This reminds me of the "Cain Mutiny", the only mutiny in American naval history against an incompetent arrogant captain.

The XO, Commander George Peckham, ended up getting court martialed along with the captain and a few others. Peckham was exonerated, stayed at sea, and eventually made a rear admiral. Captain William Browne took a plea deal (after spending most of his court martial testimony trying to blame his crew) that pushed him 250 slots down the promotion list, ensuring that he would never make admiral. He was transferred to shore duty until he left the Navy four years later. Edit: I confused Peckham with another officer that was reduced in numbers (pushed down the promotion list).

Look up HMS Victoria and Admirals George Tryon and Albert Markham.

@@earthwormscrawl It was also completely fictional.

I guess you say it beached his career

Too bad it couldn’t stop half the generals and admirals in command today

The general class has always been problematic. All the good officers I met retired before going to admiral.

@@goldenhate6649 Get to a certain point, and promotions have more to do with office politics than skill. They say every man is promoted to one rank above what he is qualified for.

@@justicedunham4088 I've seen that in Navy enlisted as well. Instead of increasing a Sailor's pay based on their time in, experience, and expertise at a job, they promote Sailors up the pay grades which means progressively less doing your job and progressively more managing other people. Sounds great if you are a paper-pusher/middle-management type, sucks if you are a hands-dirty/doing-the-work type. For the hands-on sorts it sucks because they are now doing jobs they don't enjoy and are not necessarily qualified for.

yeah, first rule of leadership. Everything that happens under your watch is your responsibility.

So the exact opposite of what the first officer did, yet he’s supposed to be “good” in this scenario, why? Because he blamed everyone else so he wouldn’t get in trouble

Yeah no shit they said that after they would’ve been court martialed if they told the truth aka THEY DIDNT SAY SHIT

​@@david-468 They didn't want their ship to run-aground. It was their job to speak up when necessary. They weren't afraid to tell the truth, even if the one it was directed to didn't want to hear it.

I can only imagine the :I faces they all made every day for two weeks lol

​@@jeremiec8014When a senior naval officer can look out the window and see a subordinate's glaring mistake before even going to the head in the morning, and then read the "No progress on moving Missouri yet" headline in the civilian newspaper over breakfast... That can't make for a happy naval leader.

French battleships had Two Quadruple turrets forward. The British King George the V classes had Two Quad fours (In A,X) and a Twin with the twin super firing (B) over the bow Quadruple turret

@@Pointclearius Your labeling is slightly off. The King George V-class had turrets A and Y as quads. X is the first main turret aft of the superstructure, which on those was a twin-gun turret superfiring over the quad Y, just as the forward twin-gun B turret superfired over the quad A. (Wing turrets were usually labeled P and Q in the Royal Navy, though KGVs didn't have them.) The US numbered theirs (but never used wing turrets), and the Germans had an alphabetic system that seems to go clockwise: the Kaiser-class had A forward, B for the starboard wing, C and D for the aft turrets, then E for the port wing. France numbered theirs, even when they did have wing turrets, counting front to back, port to starboard.

@@JarrodFrates You're correct that the aft turret on the King George V-class (1939) was 'Y' turret, however there was no superfiring twin turret aft. From the bow, there were 'A' turret (quad), 'B' turret (twin, superfiring over 'A'), the superstructure, and 'Y' turret (quad).

The guns are spaced evenly so they don't look like the French turrets though. French BB turrets had a large armor plate between the 2nd and 3rd gun, intended to prevent the whole turret to be taken out by a single hit or misfire.

I think they just pushed the "casual" a bit too hard. It was a nice story, easy to retell without too much effort. Much like this videos sponsor, that also is not that much into getting the details correct.

Coolest class the USN ever built, if you ask me. Yeah, yeah, we can get the job done (and then some) with cruisers, destroyers and subs... but you can't beat a full broadside with 16-inch cannons for coolness.

​@@atelerix969absolutely. And a great intimidation factor

Thats just a regular fact

Fun fact: all Iowa-class battleships were active in the U.S Navy off and on until the 1990s!

The world bully can be proud on it's human murder machines...

They should have sent the Missouri and Wisconsin to the states they were named after just for the practice with a big logistical challenge.

@@alexanderf8451Pretty sure the ships sit lower than the depths of the Mississippi, and they're too long to fit in the locks connecting the Great Lakes to the Atlantic.

​@@bluesbest1Welp, time to upgrade the railroad again!

Good luck getting a BB to a land locked state. What are you an idiot?@@alexanderf8451

I visited the Missouri when she was moored at Bremerton. That's what I'm told anyway. I was maybe 2yo. I had a T-shirt that I lost somewhere along the way.

Another comment by ecstasyofgold888 mentioned the guy was court martialed and no longer up for promotion (moved down 250 spots or so, at that rank I guess end of next rank in his career or worse). The second in command of the ship was claimed to be exonerated due to having warned the captain and retired as a rear admiral. Mildly surprised about actual consequences and not some random person being blamed for it, I suppose it being so nicely in view from land by senior leadership to make it even more obvious made it hard to bury? Or maybe the US navy kinda works well and doesn't just let people fail yet still get promoted/stay in their job.

​@@extrastuff9463 It's pretty consistent in the USN that if your ship/boat hits something it's not supposed to hit, you're done. See the results of destroyer collisions in the last couple years, subs hitting seamounts, subs landing on japanese fishing vessels, and so on.

I think to an extent it was adopted already in late 70s, as a fallout from the Tenerife disaster

I wonder if naval have similar program as CRM, actually Aviation is the best industry in case of CRM even at "many other places" , I have learned some manufacture, hospital especially surgery room have adopted some form of CRM. but I didn't know much about naval. giving the similarity between sea and air, it should be easy to adopt to?

I've been flying in Japan for 10 years. CRM is standard now but they were probably 20 years behind the US in adopting it.

I do wonder what its like under the NJ atm, When they drydocked the USS Intrepid up in New York they found the ship was sitting on a lot of silt and debris. And the Delaware River just like the Hudson has a good stiff current to push stuff under the ship which is what happened to Intrepid. Years and years of just sitting there things built up from the current.

New Jersey did have divers go under the ship earlier this year - they said that the bottom is well clear of the hull, and that the hull itself still looks good. They shouldn’t really have any issues with getting her out into the channel. The Intrepid situation was definitely far more challenging - as I understand it, she was packed up to well past her screws in the mud.

I wonder how many tugs will her trip to the dry dock require. So far the plan is 3 but who knows how it will go

He most likely did exactly what he was told and showed those orders down the line like they were gods commandments. Adding in an unhealthy amount of ass licking and socializing in the right circles. If something went wrong, it was the commanders fault. Unfortunately a lesson he never learned from because it is entirely possible for someone else than the commander to be at fault by simply expecting everything everyone does or doesn't do makes them liable. And thusly listening to your subordinates every report and every concern. Unfortunately, this commanders example is replicated all over the world because when most people are put in a position of leadership they turn into the worst people imaginable.

@@RealCaddeI've yet to see any case where someone changed because they got into a position of leadership. In fact, most people fail in positions of leadership because they can't make the hard decisions that will upset a few people while protecting the group as a whole. When I do see someone claiming an individual "changed" when going into leadership, it's because the person making that claim didn't get something they wanted. Either special favoritism as a "friend" of the newly minted leader, or to not have important rules enforced. The few times I do see someone "become" a worse person when in leadership positions, they were already that way, and it was obvious to all who knew them. In the non-military side of government, they get there because a lot of people who didn't really know some jerk elected that jerk and that jerk in turn put other jerks in appointed positions and so on down the chain. In business it more often emerges because the person at the top brought (or was perceived to bring) financial success elsewhere and was brought in. Such people sometimes don't bother to get to know people and just paint-by-numbers the promotions and hiring without getting to know the new managers they are creating. And in some cases the jerk just outright buys the top job by stock investment. Military doesn't really work that way. There is officer training where you have to pass through tests. There are lower leadership ranks where you have to demonstrate your capabilities. And they put a stop to buying command too long before this happened for it to reasonably have been a factor. The success rate of military in building good leadership is a well known and understood quantity for those of us outside the military who hire from those who honorably discharge. There is some authoritarianism that causes chafing with civilian employees so you have to put them in mid level management first, but not to the extreme of punishing people for giving information. There are always exceptions, but they stand out because of how much their former commanders had to have screwed up to let them get that high up. I do realize those make it into stories and movies a lot, but that's a result of the "man bites dog" effect. Barely anybody makes movies about a normal day where nothing out of the ordinary happens, so incompetent commanders who don't listen to anyone like those in the Crimean War became a trope. Drawn into focus because it was noteworthy rather than because it was the rule, but then morphed into an easy tool to create conflict in a story and overused to the point where it seems common. If it really were the norm in the military, he wouldn't have been court martialed while his XO was exonerated.

I am kind of glad these mistakes exist. Without them, America would have been no different than the naval powers that came before them.

@@triadwarfare Have you read about the British at Scilly in 1707? Ours wasn't that bad, but we do seem to be in the same club.

We can put 7 U.S destroyers (Hondas Point) on the list.

The Germans lost at least one u-boat to an embarrassed captain who tried to flush the toilet by himself and sank the boat. Command mismanagement has cost the world more than a few warships.

Halsey and typhoon cobra

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or maybe just an episode on a few different items.

The best kind of videos

“Battleship New Jersey formerly received operating support from the New Jersey Department of State, as well as a number of private individuals, like yourselves."

nvm he was court court-martialed, and was placed back 250 positions on the list of captains awaiting ships. He spent the rest of his career on shore duty.

@@LabiaLicker good, so he has plenty of sand to pound for the rest of his career 🤣

@@mfaizsyahmi lmao

People like that don't feel "embarrassment", because nothing is ever their own fault. I'm sure the captain was absolutely fuming mad and desperate to lay the blame on anybody except himself.

Running aground should never be unforseen though. It's the equivalent of driving off a cliff in a car.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Honda Point Disaster led to that rule, idk for sure tho. *Seven* US Navy destroyers in a convoy ran aground at 20 knots

99% of the time, running aground is a crew error and ultimately, captain error. Our warships have sonar, they can map the depths in front of them and plan accordingly.

Competent people often have "good luck" and incompetent people very often have "bad luck". Funny how that works?

And the tugs and dredger are modern, and Brown didn't have a beard. But it's not a big deal, as none of that affects the point.

@@beeble2003 true

Read about crew resource management in aircraft -- essentially the same thing.

@@beeble2003 but reading that is not as good as a casual navigation vid, aircraft often tend to crash without the possibility of evacuation or repair many ships get in the same situation so things like first hand acounts become limited

@@jordansimms6213 Agreed. Sorry that my reply was rather curt. I meant that CRM in aviation is essentially the same as whatever they call it in shipping, not that reading a bunch of stuff is essentially the same as watching a well-written, well-presented video like these.

I wonder how many boats would it take to tow a 1st Rate Ship-of-the-line?

@@merafirewing6591 At least its sails would not get clogged by sand, but that'd be an interesting conundrum. Beaching one of those at high tide when the wind is strong is probably even worse, there's no way to guarantee a suitable wind when the tide is right to try to drag it free. Honestly got no idea how much getting rid of stuff inside would reduce its weight, there's no fuel to pump out. One thing about ships of that era is that I do expect them to be able to remove all guns with relatively more ease than removing a big turret from a back then modern battleship at sea.

you mean adding cosmetic changes that stop it from being playable complaints were why weegee removed the forums? we all know they ignored the physics breaking supersonic torpedoes + submarines breaking the game complaints. or the complaints about aircraft being invulnerable so aa is completely useless. warships is going downhill fast.

​@@jaquigreenlees They probably rememberd the time when one of their proposed changes (being able to reset already researched lines for improved stats) lead to such an uproar in the forum that they had to backpedal and can the whole idea within 24 hours. Like all shady companies, they learned exactly the "right" lesson from it...

I think it was saved by a cook iirc.

@@JohnyG29 A Navy buddy of mine said the stripper did most of the work, while the cook hid in the walk-in cooler. "Prepping for breakfast tomorrow," I think that's what it said in the after action report.

Because the video is made by a professional mariner, not a warship enthusiast.

@@beeble2003 The animator looked at it long enough to make it look a lot like an Iowa and even got the secondary batteries looking pretty good. Not to mention four gun turrets are exceptionally rare because they're massive pains in the ass. I don't know anybody who tried it other than the Dunkerque and the KGV classes.

If this channel doesn't pick it up, you may try asking the same of Battleship New Jersey. Their museum's channel is excellent for the small detail kinds of things and comment questions for video sources is quite common over there.

Is there much to say about it? People naturally assume that looking over the point of the bow means you're looking in the direction you're heading, but that doesn't work on the offset bridge of a carrier, so they put a big stick on the ship so you could look at that and know which direction you were heading.

Only if he took the first tender off his ship.

And the tugs and dredger are modern. And Brown didn't wear a beard. But the graphics are just a representation, and none of this affects the points that are being made.