How Mommy Long Legs and PJ Pug-a-pillar Cheat Against the Player in Poppy Playtime Chapter 2 

I think it was in Matpat's playthrough, where he just stayed still at the beginning of the obstacle course and PJ Pug-a-pillar walked through the obstacles normally meaning the player had no pressure at all afterwards.

The dynamic speed thing reminds me of Matpat's playthrough where he accidentally discovered a glitch that caused the game to think he was at the wnd so PJ Pugapillar just shot off like a rocket, right past him, and left Matpat to just be able to move forward with no issues or concerns outside of the music stopping

if I did something similar to this, I'd make the monster have lines taunting the player when they get close and slow down like "come on, it's not fun if you don't RUN!" that would at least give a sense that they are playing with their food so to speak.

PJ would've been a really adorable character if he wasn't a 4000 legged mutation between a pug and a caterpillar, slowly inching to you in darkness whilst it being an extremely anxiety inducing situation

I would love to see some mechanics for trying to deliberately cheat the game like this. Where, for example, in the final hallway, if you hide next to the door, Mommy walks past you but then goes back and jumpscares you.

I guess PJ technically doesn't chase you, he's just talking a walk around the place and kills you cause you're in his way

I can understand pj being on the match speed if you assume pj is still acting according to script playco has for testing children. Moving enough to keep the pressure but never going to a dead stop, the child fails if they stop entirely or make no progress. Which is why mommy sabotaged the end of the course as she knew how fast pj moves during the tests.

Rubber banding is an old trick for races in game development but if done incorrectly, which is very easy to do, your players can suffer for it. That moment in the sewer and the hallway glitch screams that the devs didn't do enough playtesting. This game is surviving off of it's atmosphere, animation, voice acting and story telling, but they really need to make sure the gameplay and level design is more polished than it has been or it's going to start losing people.

Mommy long legs: cheats the entirety of the games Also mommy long legs after i leave one of them tp not die: how dare you cheat.

Mommy: "I HATE cheaters!" Also Mommy:*cheats*

I thought this was going to be about how Mommy longlegs destroyed the exit so you can't possibly win the game but this was a lot more interesting.

You talk about this like it's a bad thing but you want it so good and bad players have the same level of tension in a HORROR game and if you make pug-a-pillar and mommy too slow then quick players have nothing to fear and get bored and if you make them too fast then the bad players get frustrated from constantly dying. The goal is to scare you more than anything and being close to death is really scary. This is good game design.

I was so confused on something. So basically, I had ran so fast by doing a trick with the rings on the roof and I skipped that whole bit. Then I just charged through the slide and thought he could never catch up. Next thing I knew, he was three feet away.

It’s both a bit creepy and ridiculously stupid at certain parts (when you avoid her in what would otherwise be a scary chase scene) that Mommy Long Legs is coded to stare exactly at the player’s coordinates. 2:03 2:14 2:49

I actually noticed it with PJ naturally by accident, I messed up alot during a try and decided to game over myself on purpose standing next to the "hard" tube. But since PJ's pathing is programmed to pick the same Tube the player does, it walked just past me? it didn't attack me probably because I was standing next to the tube, so I noticed that as soon as he got close to me, he slowed down to a craaawl, so eventually he reached the other side of the room, and I figured I cheated and could just calmy compelte the mini game, but when I arrived at the section where you have to jump on yellow cubes, PJ just FLEW OUT OF NO WHERE and got me, while I was allowed to move,

Yea, rubber-banding is quite normal in many games, mainly in race type ones, like these two, but in race, they speed up, when you are closer, and are slower, when they get further. Here it's on the other side, because they just pursue you. In Gta 5, when player and another npc go in separate cars in a mission, the npc's speed is changing on how close player is to him

The official term for this is "rubber banding." Its also used in a lot of racing games as well. if the player happens to crash, or spin out or whatever and fall behind, they can almost always catch back up and win. if they are doing good, it keeps their opponents right on their tail, so the pressure is always up. It can be found in a lot of other places too!

Huh, not exactly a fan of wonky, rubber-banding Ai. You can thank Mario Kart and Sonic Rivals for that. For those who don't know what rubber-banding is, basically it's like the game is attaching a metaphorical rubber-band (hence the term) to whoever or whatever you're playing as which is why some Ai will always be a few more seconds/minutes behind you even with skips and glitches or why the Ai randomly speeds up and somehow catches up to you whenever you get too far ahead of them. (Which seems to be what the devs did for PJ Pug-a-pillar if the clip SwankyBox gave us is anything to go by for the latter example.) Main reason I added Sonic Rivals (which means *both* games, not just the first one) to the examples is because those games are *notorious* for having the Ai randomly speed up whenever you get far enough from them, regardless if you're in front of them or behind them. Linger too far behind, and you can kiss victory goodbye because the items won't be enough to catch up to them unless the Ai freaks out at certain sections and allows you to get a few cheep hits in.

I love this feature. Like you said the constant feeling of dread is the point. It’s suppose to be scary so knowing they can catch you no matter how fast you’re going is creepy yet awesome.

Wouldn't this be defined as 'rubberband AI'? Though usually seen in racing games as a means of making the races not just a cake walk if the player is really skilled or absurdly difficult if they're new by making the AI speed up or slow down depending on where they are in relation to the player.

I kind of like to think of the PJ pug a pillar part from a more lore perspective. Maybe the creators of the statues game (at playtime co.) programed whether he moves fast or slow depending on the distance he is from the test subject. He would move slower when closer so the test subject would move faster, but move faster when they were far away so the test subject wouldn't stand around when they were supposed to be moving. But from gameplay perspective, yeah it's pretty weird

Well, same as Huggy Wuggy as well. When you were running from him through the toy ventilation and when the door was closed automatically when we were trying to escape him, he seems like walking a little slower and when the door opened he started to run in his normal speed

When pj comes through that red vent face first its terrifying

Chase scenes do have rubberbanding in some games, it creates suspense for the player. SA2 is a great example of this, the truck always being right behind you makes the scene so much more intense than it would be if you just outran it. The problem is that you can take advantage of it and make it look funny.

This was a really cool analysis video, but say what you want about PJ being scary or not, thisbit at 2:13 will haunt my nightmares.

When i first saw you mentioning rigged, i thought you were going to talk about how it was rigged for the player to die no matter what because of the rubble preventing them from leaving the testing room. This was a nice surprise for an aspiring game developer.. That's so interesting!

"Mommy long legs and PJ Pug-a-pillar are both rigged" Development team riggers: i mean...yeah how else are the animators able to create the animations? (this is just a lil inside joke, basically a process in between making the model and animating it is called rigging. Essentially what rigging does is it adds the bone structure and movement controls to the entire body, as well as connecting the 3D model to said structure and controls so that the animators are able to keyframe the movements by adjusting the controls.)

I honestly think 1:45 would be such a cool scene in the actual game

Which is why I try my absolute best to avoid exploits. It ruins the immersion I want to have with the game.

I love all your videos keep it up im a huge fan! Thx!

mommy long legs before the chase scene: i asked you to play fair and you cheated i hate cheaters also her: 1:01

Pj: i am speed Children:confused screaming

As a game developer, there is a reason for doing this especially in horror, repetitive dying breaks tension way too quick so they try to slow it down so you don’t die as often and speed it up to still give you that tension. Here it’s just not done in the best way

Despite everything I really do like the player speed tying into the chase, it does give the scene (as said) a constant dread which I really do appreciate and wish more games would do (in the "correct" way as so to speak)

Another example of this is in GTA V, you’ll notice in some chase missions if you are too far behind then your target will slow down, but if you’re too far ahead they will speed up. They are Scripted Events. Personally I think they are a good feature to account for both experienced and new players (even though most people have played Chapter 1), but of course what ruins this and why people like me complain is because it is noticeable at certain points in games and can either be not much of an issue or extremely game breaking. I feel like in Chapter2 it’s in between depending on where you are in the chapter.

0:21 box jumpscare

Doesn't it make it scarier when you're cornered and mommy or PJ just slowly walks up to you before killing the player?

0:16 woah, we are already at chapter 23?

"Causing a constant sense of dread" That is exactly what the devs were going with

The whole game is like that. As markiplier find in his video, there are lots of places where the devs assumed everyone would take the intended path and didnt account for deviations to that path. For example, the train keeps going down forever at the end instead of reaching the playcare because the devs assumed everyone would stop the train immediately when the light comes on.

They're not cracks, they're not flaws, they're just making the game challenging for fast players, and easier for people who don't want that challenge or who might have a disability I don't think there is a difficulty rating in this game, so they have to do this The fact some players don't do what the devs expect and therefore "break" the game isn't a problem related to the speed management, these are just flaws/bugs

1:50 Mommy : I'll kill you once I get you ! Player : Hum... I'm right here ?

even tho i played this game 20 times this part 2:09 got my whole body shake becuz she was so freakin fast

Chapter 23? Is it just me or did HorrorScoped misspell chapter 2 in the subtitles

Cheating, my guy has body doubles that keep spawning until he gets you.

Your videos are just absolutely amazing and I just love to binge watch them. They clear up so much in the game.

2:07 actual JUMPSCARE

3:07 he is cute WDYM HE IS CUTE

Also all of the game antagonists cheat in some way. Musical Memory: Mommy adds more buttons and uncompletable patterns Whack-a-Wuggy: Mommy removes Huggy Buddy strings so they can kill the player Statues: Exit is destroyed

Tysm for this video!

“He’s an absolute cheater.” I love how he said that for some reason.

3:12 "this dog looks cute" Me: how the frick does he look cute?! He can literally make me have nightmares

Huggy did the same thing in the vent scene, though it wasn’t as noticeable. However he definitely slows down the closer he gets to the player.

2:08 JESUS CHRIST THAT SCARED THE HELL OUTTA ME

I never considered this as a design flaw I legitimately thought the creatures were just toying with you Slowing down on purpose to give you a false sense of hope but speeding up if your moving too fast for them

fun fact: when you move at red light, and PJ is far he still gets you so theres invisible PJ Pugapillar's everywhere

Omg i love you're videos ❤️❤️❤️😊😊😊💖💖💖🙏🙏

I feel like Statues would be terrifying even for children when everything wasn’t eerie.

2:09 gave me a mini heart attack

2:08 I did not expect that.

Btw you can glitch out pugapillar on your own to see the speed he goes at. In his room instead of swinging to get out. Climb on the debris all the way at the end of the room. Hell walk completely through the wall and respawn on the other side(where you came from) and you can see him sprint to you.

I also noticed that this was an issue in both NASCAR 08 and NASCAR 09 for the PS2. The opponents either race hard with you when you're going all out, but even when you crash, they slow down.

I subbed :D

Lov ur vids

Ah, the potential of comedy in horror, truly an inseparable pair! The hilarious things you do with this mechanic. Compilation worthy!

For PJ this makes sense, but not for an angry Mommy. PJ could have many reasons to 'play with his food'. At the point Mommy is chasing you, she shouldn't have good reasons to manipulate her speed.

Like what legends say "the problem of being faster than light is that you can only live in darkness"

2:03 jumpscare ahead

I don’t care that pj is a cheater, he’s still amazing

yeah! i noticed this too when seeing someone play the pj pugapillar. but, i didn’t know they also did it with mommy

One of things that I noticed in this level, and granted it's barely noticeable unless you're paying attention, the lights stay on a tad longer each time they come back on. So not only PJ is moving faster but the lights stay on a tad longer.

"I asked you to play fair, and you CHEATED. I HATE cheaters!". Well, look who's talking, that's rich comming from someone who rigged the games!

I can see why this would make sense for pugapillars game because red light green light is all about moving as fast as possible at lights off while stopping as soon as possible when lights are on, i haven’t played the game but because of this i can see how this could keep people on edge no matter the speed. But for mommy long legs to slow down just because you’re also slow makes no sense, like she chased you down because she’s mad that you “cheated” so why is she slowing down to match his speed for? it’s not like from her perspective that you deserve for her to go easy on you or anything.

Is it just me or does anyone else love the music being played in the training videos and stuff?

One thing I've realised is that PJ's section is way longer and continues way longer than part where we manage to jump to that office (mainly because on that "wall" of fallen rocks, concrete and other construction materials there's a hole where you can see a light a room that looks like the rest); adding to that, I've heard of a theory (idk if someone in the English community has said it, this theory comes from the Spanish community) that says Mommy broke that section that looks destroyed on purpose so "Player" (that's how we call the nameless protagonist of Poppy Playtime in the Spanish community) gets trapped and would inevitably get trapped by PJ and, since it wasn't PJ's fault that Player scaped, Mommy didn't k1ll PJ like Bunzo and three of the four mini-Huggies (did you know that mommy k1ll3d them and had their bodies hanging with spider web above the game station?) in r3v3ng3 for failling

Mommy long legs : *I ASK TO PLAY FAIR AND YOU CHEATED-* Player : No. "You" Cheated.

Well yeah if you study the mechanisms it's not scary anymore, it's like FNAF. That's a one-time experience where you don't know what to expect

2:50 I LAUGHED SO LOUD I GOT IN TROUBLE 😭

2:06 THAT SCARED ME SO BAD WHYYYYYYY

HERE YA GO!! i noticed it in Astralspiff's speedruns of the game!

I never noticed but thanks for telling me

Ok pj looks super creepy at 2:13 when he's coming after the player

After you jump down the hole when you beat statues, hack back up there and see if anything changes, just curious to know.

Horrorscoped: So in poppy playtime, chapter 2 specifically. Captions: so in poppy playtime, chapter 23 specifically. Me: What have I missed?

i noticed this in the fnaf sb game but diffrent , when monty got close he would get slower

no matter how fast you run, pj walks faster

Ooh its so cool

i Love your vids too

Sonic adventure 2is such a good game Loved it

2:09 did anyone else get jump scared.

My theory is that before the factory turned into, well, THIS, PJ pug-a-pillar would chase you and then give you a big dog kiss instead of EATING YOU ALIVE

give this guy 2k more subs he deserves 1 million i wonder how fast mommy longlegs would go if you teleport the the end of the chase.

PJ’s little slide at 2:13 killed me and idk why but it was kinda cute and funny

When I Saw This In My Recommended I Thought You Were Gonna Talk About How The Exit Is Closed Off

I almost beat this minigame of pj pug-a-pillar on my first try! But I had a hitbox or movement glitch so like I glitched when I grabbed the handle and before you know it............................................................................................................... I am on top of the handle. So I couldn't beat it and the checkpoint makes the chase INSTANTLY START

Great

FNAF Security Breach does this too with the first Monty chase! Monty matches your speed and makes it *really* hard for you to die to him until Chica spawns. Really interesting. Also Giga Chica is a monstrosity.

2:12 That is the most terrifying thing I've seen in a long time. I don't like it. where's my flamethrower?

Mommy Long Legs: I HATE CHEATERS! Me: My lawyer will be seeing you Mommy Hypocrite.

PJ the fast-Pug-a-pillar.