How Monster Hunter Rise Sunbreak Improved Shagaru Magala - Heavy Wings 

Like Zoinks scoob

Yeah we might get that I instead of his inflicted version since that wouldn’t make sense lore wise

Like Monoblos, Gravios, Gold and Silver Rath, Espinas variations and etc

@@moniessuwu836 I could see that happen, like the Qurio's mess with his molting which ends up triggering the Chaotic form.

oh man i hope so, i rly ant to fight that thing again, also that armor and weapos are cool af

Agreed from me. I loved fighting shaggy as a CB main and still do, because it’s mechanics forces you to be mobile and utilize what you learned from the base gore fight to take advantage of aiming at his head for knockouts, or at times in his arena you might be able to manage going for a mount if you’re on the right terrain.

I only fought 4u Shagaru very recently, and he's currently my favorite monster to fight, so I'm not speaking out of nostalgia here. The best thing about Shagaru is that all of his attacks, even the random explosions, gives you fair warning and always feel like it's your fault when you get hit. He doesn't rely on any cheap gimmick like roar and wind stun combos, and if you fail, the camp is right next to his arena, so there's little downtime before you get to fight him again.

Nevermind, I fought the g rank version. It's ass.

remember the crimson fatalis

yes but having all of those is just in that set or severely cripples your ability to do much else. it's almost an all or nothing set. hopefully chaotic will give us bloodlust decoes so we have more options.

@@jockpackage1770 tossing on either just the helm or the chestplate gives a substantial attack/crit bonus, more than running the Lunagaron helm or Archfiend chest.

@@maxieprimo2758 yes but for non monkeys, camage skills aren't everything. the fun of the games comes from build diversity, not just cloning meta shit

@@jockpackage1770 Okay so you can either go Lunagaron for crit and wirebug, Archfiend for easy Wex, Malzeno for easy Wirebug, or Arc for easy damage and crit *and* synergy options at the cost of health drain. It offers build diversity.

@@maxieprimo2758 yes or do other sets with more work/creative thinking for a good middle ground

ruin?

@@RustyhairedAlp9575 I mean the dude has a virus that kills most wildlife.

Use dung bombs then

Well it fits the whole Hunter style does it not? You seem like a skilled hunter that takes no chances. So you ride him over to open space so you have more room to fight.

You may enjoy 4U or GU if you ever get the chance! Myself, I haven’t played GU much yet. But 4U being my entry point made me a life long fan of the series.

LITERALLY. Ledges in MH make me want to scream

@@beansfebreeze i feel you man ledges killed me more times that actual attacks in fourth gen, literally

I lowkey miss the Sanctuary but it's nicer to fight him elsewhere. Most of all though, I miss safety rock.

@@HeavyWings you could technically fight him outside of the sanctuary. You could fight him in the Everwood through his guild quests in 4u

@@WisdomAkpan211 oh yeah, that was totally a thing in 4u

Thank you

Bit of an odd question, but what was the music at the beginning of the Patreon Announcement segment? At 15:51 - 15:56

@@skrilllfury2120 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qsRxkqRzWP0.html

Yes, but in a few months once some title updates have dropped.

You must have misunderstood then. The premise was that Shagaru felt like a permanently frenzied Gore with random frenzy explosions all over the field. Which they improved upon in Sunbreak.

@@niklasmitfussl2639 Personally, it didn’t feel like an improvement. The fight lost a lot of what made it special, like being locked to an arena without breaks and the consistent intensity-that’s completely butchered by making him leave the zone constantly and by making half the fight easy-it’s just Gore again but slightly harder. Old Shaggy was the hardest part of Gore, the enemy you know well already, but more, and without hand holding breaks or reprieves-imagine chasing Alatreon across a normal map and calling it improved. Sure, Shagaru would move in guild quests… where the maps were very linear, but those still aren’t the base experience of the fight, and they aren’t for a reason. The random explosions and tracking bombs adding multiple attack vectors etc… also things like the star pose and the hand slams just don’t feel as impactful, and I *completely* disagree that the random explosions, which also no longer exist, don’t make the fight harder-most of my hard fights with Shaggy in the past were down to the wire on healing, or even failing for being forced to use them, and generally making openings less safe and forcing perfect positioning at the best of times (like punishing the double hand slam) obviously makes a fight harder-this is a weird anecdotal point that doesn’t make sense and is empirically wrong. Finally, Gore was easier because you could bully it out of the intense part of the fight, which you couldn’t do to Shagaru. But now you can? And this isn’t considered a significant difference between the two, and is somehow praised? It was a part of the fight dynamic-you were pressured into aggression because you needed to end the fight before getting worn down by attrition, but you weren’t gifted free knockdowns or able to use it as “please stop kicking my ass” button. Ultimately the new Shagaru encounter is way more basic, and just generally easier, and in my opinion has not managed to differentiate itself from Gore but done the *complete opposite*. The first thing my friend said to me when we ran it together was “that was just Gore again, and we just fought Gore.” Also they ruined the star pose. Its wings are all floppy and loose now. >.> And yes, it roaring on the ground for most of the fight is a damage window compared to doing the star pose more than once. They even seemed to screw up its lore. When you talked to Chichae for the urgent quest she says “many kingdoms have been destroyed by Shagaru Magala”. Really? Why didn’t anyone know what it was in 4? And why weren’t they familiar with the Frenzy virus? It feels weird to say something like that.

@@TheLordGojira Yoo the Instant essay response, jk here I go aswell. First of all, Preach. While I still stand by the point I made, I do agree that making him a regular monster roaming the citadel makes him a worse fight. They could have easily kept him in the top-most area of the map. The lore screw up was sadly pretty much predetermined aswell with how intricate Gore and him are to 4Us story. I can't comment on his looks or the difference in the star pose much, but they tried too hard to make him realistic, I miss his pristine golden shine. Oh well, that's why I'm on PC. To touch again on the lore, Sunbreaks story is basically nonexistant and boils down to several fetch quests without ANY purpose outside of the Malzeno quest, the zero endemic life quest, and final Boss quest. The visuals and cutscenes help elevate it a bit but I feel like it deceives alot of players into the impression that the story can even be called that - a story. Admiral Arekz Gaming just tells you and Firoayne to kill this and that without much context or reason. It's nonexistant and that does ofc not help Gore and Shagaru appearing randomly without even the slightest bit of connection to each other. They couldve even pulled a sneaky on us and initially lead us to think that it was Gore's meddling with monsters again but nah he's just there chilling. Anyways here's a quest to kill it. I will have to disagree on them feeling similar. The fights feel vastly different to me but that could come down to weapon choice. I recently got into Hammer and had a hard time keeping up with Shagaru so he was in his true rage state pretty much constantly. Maybe 2 Hunters was enough to knock him out of it more often? It would also highlight how easy he is compared to when he could not get knocked out of it in 4U and GU. Highlights one of Sunbreaks/Rises general problems aswell, almost every monster has one or more monster specific knockdowns in addidtion to trips, stuns, Wyvern Riding and affliction trips. I do agree with you there as that makes the fight less hard and takes away from Shaggys identity as he is streamlined more to have the knockdowns but IMO it is still very dynamic, fluid, and fun as his fight still manages to feel stressful, harder than most pre MR6 monsters, and rewarding to me. I think both versions of Shaggy do some things better than the other one and a mixture, like giving 4Us the undeniably sick laser moves and the telegraphed frenzy spots after attacks, would satisfy everyone. There's also no shame in him being harder then the other Elders Dragons in the game so he'd be justified to have his own arena again or to be unlockable after the "story" similar to Furious Goku. I'm grateful that you elaborated and explained your frustration thoroughly, I gained new insights on some aspects of the fight thanks to you. Cheers!

I can barely handle 140 Teostra, provided I’m playing in a team that can survive…I haven’t gotten Shagaru up to 140 yet; playing 4U on and off and all.

I named my Cohoot Stephanie.

@@HeavyWings i was wondering if you had her there too to cap off the trio haha

I agree.

@@wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569 That WiiU definitely be underrated though.

Yeah he's definitely harder than gore, just less interesting. It takes away the dynamic-ness of the fight with the different forms and pretty much is just a frenzied gore with bigger attacks.

Frenzied/Apex Rajang in Sunbreak 🙂. To be honest, having frenzied monsters side by side with Anomaly monsters in the endgame would be really cool, provided the frenzy whetstone mechanic would have to be reworked or removed entirely.

I actually agree a little with missing some aspects of old Shagaru, it's such a shame he lost the homing frenzy bombs, that added such a cool pressure to the fight, and the frenzy explosions on Sunbreak feel like an afterthought, they barely do damage and don't have an impact in the fight in my opinion, it's neat they're added to some of his regular moves during his extra rage mode, but they really don't do much, his aerial lunge had its range severely nerfed, and he doesn't combo his slams much anymore. The one addition I really love is the frenzy beam sweep, that move is a menace, but besides the visual and musical glow up I was a little underwhelmed with his Sunbreak iteration, just a little mind you, just being able to fight him in this engine is a treat enough.

I 100% agree.

The criticisms one might have of his fight is exactly why I like it a lot myself. The only other elder dragon that I feel put me more on edge was rusted Kushala Daora in 4U with a similar dynamic to his hunt. Man hunting him several times with repel after repel until actually taking him out was intense. More so than the likes of say Apex Rajang I feel.

Yeah, i agree. The video includes a lot of good observations concerning his changes and how he was previously, but wether you interpret these as good or bad really comes down each Hunter themself. I enjoyed Shagaru in both generations, and i do prefer his 4U Version quite a lot more, for the Story and the atmossphere of the fight. Using only frenzied attacks, made him feel a lot more aggressive as well, in my opinion. I think his Sunbreak Version is about equal to his Version in GenU. I have never seen someone not love Shagaru, so i suppose we aren't the only one with this opinion, but it's also just an opinion in the end

same, old shaggy is one of my favorite Hunts. Sometimes more isnt better.

He's not in expeditions?

@@HeavyWings unfortunately no

@@lonewolfnergiganos4000that's odd lol. He must be the only monster who can't show up then? Aside from Narwa, Ibushi and the apexes.

@@lonewolfnergiganos4000 really? Scorned Magnamalo, Furious Rajang AND Crimson Glow Valstrax can be in expeditions... heck they can ALL be in the same expedition (I've seen it before) seems strange that Shaggy can't

@@deinonychus1948 yeah, hopefully that'll change in the first title update ☺️

For me it's the opposite, I found Shagaru really easy in 4U and meanwhile he kicked my ass in Sunbreak. Not to mention 4u was like a bajillion years ago so I (alongside pretty much every other hunter that played 4u when it was the newest game) was far worse at the game. Realistically he should be easier because we have many, many more years of experience. Despite this, I nearly triple carted my first time fighting him.

I love Chaotic Magalas blursed affinity mechanic. A very real possibility that could be put in again in his inclusion, since the rampage decoration for negative crits exist.

@@Hibernial it would be a lot of fun and, as i said, an excuse for bloodlust decos so that skill isn't as restrictive. not sure he's update 1 but i'd guess he'll show up. only 2 more days till the live stream.

You are probably not gonna like shagaru in the older games.

Old Shagaru isn't bad imo, just not as good as he could be.

@@marcusaaronliaogo9158 definitely*

can you get started on gore and power creep? im genuinely curious lol

@@cynicalgold9992 positioning matters significantly less in the modern entries of Monster Hunter, since the introduction of many avenues to cover mistakes and answer attacks directly. Counters (adept style counts too), easy access to armor skills (evasion in particular), and even the nerfing of some monsters. Actually knowing the monster’s moveset has never mattered less. Magnamalo being the epitome of this change. Gore Magala heavily punished positioning, and was capable of cornering hunters easily if you fought him like any other. But as I said before, positioning doesn’t matter anymore. So its greatest strength and therefore its “lesson” is lost. And there were some heavy nerfs too. Lemme list some of em: -Long pause after the ground slam -New projectile explosion makes its head more vulnerable. Literally just dodge in. -redid the fight to double check, but they made it slower -they gave its short dash forward a preemptive sidestep -overall less aggressive while enraged, uses mobility options less frequently in that state -knockdown after hitting feelers to disengage enraged state (they’re not horns I thought they were too at one point lol) -hip check makes the fight easier due to the opening afterwards -environments are overall more forgiving And thank you for attending my Ted Talk. Edit: Think of it like using summons/heavily over-leveling on Margit. Since the player never learns how to properly deal with his moveset, they subsequently have issues with Radahn and Maliketh and proceed to cry on the internet.

@@DarknessFamiliar Here's some more actually but about Shagaru, He used to do the left, and then right arm slams, into the big downward slam, as a triple hit combo, but now he NEVER does it, I've hunted him 126 times in sunbreak because I got him in a anomaly investigation, and he doesn't do that pattern anymore, and they also nerfed the flying downward dive he does, since in old games if he was enraged, he would 100% rush after doing it and I know this is a pattern because I hunted 1000 shagarus in MH4U chasing relic weapons, now he doesn't full body rush after the downward dive anymore whether he is enraged or not, in fact he barely uses the rush anymore.

Personally I think all fights are intended to be afflicted. Unless you are a speed runner, very few afflicted monsters feel like mere punching bags anymore

But do you think Malzeno does?

@@wiiu-theunderratedconsole7569 No. I like Malzeno. Both Malzeno and Valkana was really fun.