During his lifetime Cyril Smith was one of the UK's best-known politicians. But a new investigation shows that security services held on to a file with evidence of the Liberal MP's child abuse.
And it all comes out when they’re dead and that’s what it’s like in this country these people are protected because so many others would fall too. Powerful people.
Totally true Ron A mass coverup by the establishment and this has been going for years I was one of the victims during the 50's and 60's It was never ending I've got lots to tell The truth will be outed We fighting the fight Barriers have been put up for years Truth is the ultimate goal
He was knighted by the queen they have intelligence agencies that know the ins and outs of a ducks bottom they knew what was going on and they I’m speaking about the firm the royals how else would these things be suppressed
Can you imagine being a 10 year old kid and having to put your face near that naked man's genitals? I'm very serious--would you EVER recover from that grotesque concoction of sights and (likely) smells? And yet it's allowed to continue because people "find it uncomfortable" to discuss. Just remember what the people who are abused are LITERALLY exposed to. If they don't get to "ignore it", why do you get to? I'm so fed up with people just closing their eyes out of bs prudishness or CYA/embarrassment. So what do we do about it?
I was 8 years old when I went to knowl view boarding School in Rochdale I seen Cyril Smith come to my old school many times before creepy true story creepy
Genuinely. That would have been beyond disgusting and traumatising having to do the things he forced kids to. Look at the size of him. Fucking rank honestly, man was pure evil.
I am a victim of abuse myself in the 1980's . My heart goes out to all the victims. several things you have to remember about child abuse and abusers at that time. Abuse was not taken seriously as a crime back then. A child would never be belived over an adult, especially if that adult was famous. Abusers were clever a lot of the time in who the would abuse. Smyth and Savile picked on pepole in the care system, or hospitals or borstal. Pepole that would be seen as trouble makers. If you had the courage to continue in your report you would have to face the person in court, there was no such thing as video evidence as there is today. Some of the questions would be asked to discredit you.
Sorry to hear what happened to you but well said. That is why we have an adversarial instead of inquisitorial legal system. In the words of the late Ludovic Kennedy the adversarial system is an invitation for the police to commit perjury.
Sorryvfor your ordeal. I too was sexually abused when I was 10 years old, because of it I was extra vigilant with my own children but even my daughter was targeted at school by her headmaster, he at a later date went to prison for his crimes !! These individuals are sick bastards and they are all over the place !! Children have a right to be protected !! ..
I can remember in my youth being told by a pub landlord in Middleton to keep well clear of two men who were recruiting boys for Cyril Smith - I remember sharing the warning with 3 friends why staring at these 2 men puzzled -- to be honest we were not entirely sure what the landlord meant - it wasn't till years later joined the dots - if landlords knew in the next town it must have been common knowledge
The decent cops get their investigations shut down if a big name comes up... "orders from above".Check out the "document dump" at the CSA enquiry,with sworn testimonies from ex and current cops.Its truly mind-blowing.And the CSA enquiry have been told to ignore these documents.
They are told by higher authority not to investigate. They can't go ahead and investigate and charge someone without a reasonable chance of conviction, once charged it's down to the C. P. S to decide if to pursue the matter through the court's, and in certain circumstances the file is dismissed others it's listed " As not in the publics interest". None of this is down to the police, they work within a system. Much like the military, if you are sent off to fight an illegal war and told to bomb civilians, and you know its wrong, you either refuse, and if you do you'll face the consequences, or you go ahead and try to justify those actions to yourself and all around you, to keep your job.
A few years ago we heard that a secret store room had been found at 10 Downing Street which was packed with reports that had been thought to be lost. At the time we were told that someone with the highest security clearance would have to be assigned to catalogue the contents, and that would take years. I don't suppose that's a priority task at present, so the Child Sexual Abuse inquiry will not see or even hear of these.
Same as my Uncle who took boys to Dolphin square ... he was not allowed by authorities to reach court because of the fact he knew the names of public figures involved in paedophilia ..... My Uncle was,t as important as Smith .... so he was killed before he could be arrested .. The police phoned to tell him he was screwed,they were coming to arrest him , that a boy he took to Dolphin square had made a statement . Lincolnshire police had been warned by two other victims about his guns ,,,, they did not seize them ,,,, he was shot dead when they arrived . His case was reopened by Lincolnshire police recently . I doubt the case will ever get justice , not while we are governed by the corrupt .
@Mar Lin That's right, he apparently would sign his name in the guest book as Kitty. The paedophile gang Dirty Dozen, led by Sidney Cooke were supposed to supply boys to the guests at Elm House.
I understand that the police had their hands tied in pursuing cases against Smith and Savile, but if one of my children come to me and told me one of these monsters had molested them, and if the authorities got me no justice, i would have stabbed them myself, but Smith and Savile were smart, they prayed on vulnerable young people in state care and mental homes who had no parents or family to turn to.
"The police had their hands tied" - ?? So, a good police officer in a situation like that - would naturally blow their whistles all the way to the newspaper office - with a file!!!
It's a horrible system. Police have no freedom in UK. Everywhere else police know what is wright and wrong and they know what to do whereas in England is every case must be reported to the higher ups first and then they are told on the radio what to do and how to treat each case. It's the system that needs changing because its old and it's designed to protect demons.
If the Met Police can confirm Cyril Smith was a visitor at Elm House, then they can confirm the others like Kitty aka Cliff Richard, and the current MP for Worthing West 'Sir' Peter Bottomley were also there.
Yes and I heard the Sidney Cooke paedo gang supplied boys to Elm Guest House. No wonder many members of that gang were never prosecuted or if they were, they got light sentences. The who establishment is rotten to the core.
I'm a ex pupil of knowl view boarding special school in Rochdale from the early 1990s and I was 8 then I seen Cyril Smith paedophile politician coming to my old school many times before creepy true story sicko
All these high profile abuse cases... What about the general public who abuse more in just as evil ways? The country accepts child abuse as normality and avoids talking about it because so many are child abusers.
I personally know the pain and anger from being sexual abused as early as 6 years old. I pray these victims find the healing through developing a life of praying and fasting and believing in the word of YHVH. There is healing here.
Until recently they scoffed at any mention of this man's crimes. those at the top hid it for as long as they were able just as right now countless similar cases are hidden,saved in back pockets for the use of blackmail and career favours. These things will never be fully uncovered. The scale will be such that it would blow our minds were we to understand the depth and height this goes. And surely if we knew names of some involved would break our hearts.
Yes they are horrible ... My mother brought loan shark into our house only me to find out he was a convicted paedo I kept taunting him about it so he never came ...horrible thing
I cannot believe how many individuals have been shielded by the individuals who should have been protected. They have to die before any action is taken. Is this to stop them naming others they have within a sexual abuse ring. How many people are involved in the abuse of children and still out there. They could even be actively carrying out the abuse. This is not going stop until all the ring are convicted. Hopefully before they die then the victims actually get some justice.
If these officers were so sure of their case, why didn't they re-type or make a photograph of the documents, which were to be sent to London ? Btw : David Steel still lives as does N.Clegg.
The key question here is - how did a relatively unimportant MP, just a LIberal spokesman, have such power, right at the top it seems, to kill off so many accusations against him ?
ysgol3 Because he was part of a wider, yet intricately connected, paedophile ring of powerful people within the British Establishment. They all protect each other.
He lived in Liberal territory: i.e. that party held political power for generations there. He was a major figure in local politics and voluntary work, with his own power base, long before he got into parliament. In such a small parliamentary party, he was a big fish in a small pool.
@@faithlesshound5621 Thanks for the reply, interesting that he was Labour for years. then switched and won Rochdale which of course has a proud radical history. The liberal MP in the 70s were an odd bunch to say the least.
The CPS is complicit in protecting these people. Before the police would make the decision to prosecute or not and the investigating offices / constabulary would be known by name and accountable for their actions to the public. Now everything disappears behind closed doors to the CPS where inconvenient cases can be filtered out for whatever political / common purpose agenda.
Lord Mountbatten (Duke of Edinburgh's uncle) was a visitor to kincora boys home and no doubt his dear nephew, the queens husband, was complicit too. He was blown to bits by the IRA and rightly so. I also heard a story about a time in the 60s when the queen and her husband visited a school for native children in camloops Canada. They took 10 children with them for a 'picnic' and those children were never seen again. One of their classmates spoke up about it years later and mysteriously died shortly after. The royal family are up to all sorts of nasty business, no wonder the queen loves dishing out knighthoods to pedos.
I cannot help thinking that Freemason connections may have had a hand in not taking any further action against Cyril Smith. Not every Freemason is to blame nor the organisation itself, (tho I do not agree with it) but there are strong bonds and connections of many walks of life that can be used to ones advantage...
It also seems to have had a bearing on the way several police cases were handled, doesn't it... Covering up evidence, and railroading the innocent. I'm not talking about pedophilia, I'm thinking about murder cases. Such as that Bakewell one in the 1970s where they forced a "confession" out of that retarded kid, Stephen something. The conviction finally being quashed with the aid of s crusading journalist in the 2000s. Well that book, Town Without Pity, states how the journalist's car was pursued by lorries at night, trying to force him off the road... Just WHO was orchestrating all THAT? 🤔
If hundreds of Asian gangs can do it in most of Britains towns without questions asked, one MP would have no problem. But you don't want to talk about that do you.
Kyle W. Kavenaugh was accused of rape by one woman who didn’t go public until a highly contested political confirmation. Smith was accused by dozens of children and investigated by the police and security services and admitted some of the crimes to a colleague, and the allegations were made public after his death. Not comparable at all.
Watch very carefully at 6.38 mins.... see the body language of what can only be described as physical fear ,portrayed by the man at the front of the group. Notice how Cyril Smith slowly moves around,well aware of his effect on this man. What went on between these two people remains a mystery. But its interesting,to see the way he puts his hands up,to protect himself. As if Smith had caused some violence in the past,and the man is expecting more. We don't know. Is this man still alive????
I think its clear that Smith was a bully an used his physical size to impose himself on people an all of them look a bit uncomfortable or submissive towards him .. its like they the little people . im the big powerful man ..i guess he got that complex even more by the fact he could walk around abusing boys an destroying lives for decades ...i think he was an extreme NARCISISTIC PHYSCOPATH .. the smug look on his face that is there all the time . pompous . superiority complex .. his victims who spoke to police were threatened to withdraw .. he was sending threatening letters to people he saw as threats right up till his 80s ,, he was a guy who got ahead by stepping on people an I dont see the charm that made him somewhat a celeb .. it is basically the fact that he was a big fat guy so that gotta be funny cos big fat guys usually are etc mentality .. but he was a monster who was fine with people who werent a threat to him an who would feed his ego . but if u challenged him or got in his way then he would turn .. maybe that guy had a disagreement with him once or twice an made him turn ... i think the reason he lived with his mam was cos he was a guy ONLY A MOTHER COULD LIVE .. an she would feed his ego an tell him how wonderful he was etc .. so surely he is so powerful . he can do what he wants to little peasent boys .. .. he gives me the creeps more than savilLE .. i think the fact Cyrill was a badly bullied child who was humiliated intimedated an teased made him harbour a dark aggression an desire to be powerful an become a bully .. he learnt from an early age that the way u get power is by intimedation an forcefulness .. he became a powerful man an completely abused his power .. its just a shame that he got away with it .. different times now .. what he did is vile to boys .. any kind of abuse is awful .. but for a boy to be abused by a BIG FAT VILE MAN is about as bad as it gets ... cos no doubt 90percent of these victims were/are straight boys/men who would be sick at the thought of men .. so this kind of abuse is not just stealing childhood . its stealing someones sexuality ... he shoulda been locked up way back in the 70s ,,, an i am sure that the prisoners would treat the idiot how he deserved to be treated . punch that smug look off his face an give him a taste of his own med .. im suprized someone didnt have him killed ..they shoulda put him in a cell with Mike Tyson or Bronson
The greatest problem is the Law. A Bankrobbery hav 5 6 jears on jeal. And the Podophil 5 6 month in a Hospital. And how made the law.??????????????. They do not need mony. They have this. They need something else.
I'm a ex pupil of knowl view special school I was in that boarding school when I was 8 and I seen Cyril Smith come to my old school many times before creepy that Smith paedophile politician sicko and I see that for myself I was their in the early 1990s
Why is itwhen its someone high up in government or society its looked the other way they get away with these crimes ordinary people pay for their crimes though
