Soooo glad I found this channel!! I had 5 years of braces that jacked my face up when I was 7-11...headgear and all the works. Now I'm a horrid mouth breather with dey mouth and chronic sinus infections. I thought being 31 it was too late for me but your results are super inspiring. Keep the information coming.
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My question with this would be what happens with the septum? Does it stay perfectly in the middle? What if it swings to one side of the split? - that would be a huge issue
Something else I would say Ronald, is that you talk a lot about nasal volume being restricted by the size of the cavity. Another cause of airway restriction is a weak tongue which is low in the mouth - encroaching the airway. You can improve your airway through myofunctional therapy and shifting the mandible forward. As well. Great channel!
Awesome +1 Ultimately, MSE is a rather unknown, irreversible procedure. Much of the benefit of MSE can be obtained naturally through self-discipline and time -- _without_ all the risk. i am personally looking into MSE because i want to reopen my recently extracted wisdom tooth sockets and place implants there to stave off the bone-loss, and secondary to that i have UARS, so i believe the procedure is an unusual compliment for me... for most ppl i would rather think it beneficial to take your advice
Extremely excellent video on this subject. You went so far as to describe DOME as well. I would only recommend if you were to update this video or modify anything, is to include screenshots of each of these treatment modalities that you mention. I like the fact you used the appropriate model as well. Just note that you mentioned splitting the skull* when you're just splitting the jaw* toward the end. Just a minor taxonomy correction. This gave me a better understanding of these processes so when I do a follow-up with my own doctors, I know what questions to ask. I may reach out in the future about a project I'm working on related to all of this :)
I had MSE done as part of my brace procedure for my open bite. It didn't seem to expand my maxilla that much considering there was no teeth gap happening and no change in my facial appearance. I'm happy with the results though as I have no open bite anymore
I have both problems of cross bite and open bite together.... For Cross bite correction, i have to expand upper jaw..... Today my dentist wear me expander to my upper jaw...... Pray for me... How long your treatment time?? your open bite gap was _?__nm...?
Hey man ! I am really considering getting MSE as I have teeth marks on my tongue due to my pallet being too narrow. I just started using CPAP for my sleep apnea (I'm pretty fit, was very surprised that I had it) My question is, I have a severly deviated septum and was wondering if I should get the MSE or Septoplasty first? Thank you so much
Look my friend everybody here just for getting their lower jaw expanded to be like the square jaw line and this thing here it’s not clear yet if it’s expanding the lower jaw The extrawide middle face is super ugly so this thing is completely achieving the opposite of the goal Just tell me will expand the lower jaw or not
No, it will not expand the lower jaw. I have done videos on this in the past. Some separate treatment will need to be done for the lower, such as MSDO, SFOT, or just cutting the jaw and moving it forward as in double jaw surgery. DNA or Schwartz will just push the teeth of the lower jaw. This is what SFOT makes possible, but at least SFOT adds some additional bone to push through. The lower jaw does not magically grow despite what the snake-oil salesmen tell you.
This model isnt right tho because it acts as if the cheekbones are only connected to the maxilla, when in reality they are connected to the other long bone that goes horizontally along each side of your skull. And those bones then connect to other bones. So how would the cheekbones move without every single bone in your skull moving?
@@alvekcdeshton4085 i replied u once. I had the same. Expansion of jaws will help a lot, first bones then try jawresize trains side muscles. I have removable expander from braces shop paid for upper and lower 400€, fake myobrace from ali (1,2,3 stage all for 10€) and jawzrsize (30€). My face has shorten and became round.
what about facial aesthetics? Wouldn't this also widen the nose and decrease upper lip tissue volume, both side effects that more often than not negatively effect most peoples appearance?
Ok so what is the difference between MSE, SARPE and SARME? Also if the nasal cavity is expanded does it make the nose wider? What happens with the gap? Doe is regrow somehow?
I hope you can answer this as I have seen it being talked about many times in your comment section, can you do anything about the Interpupillary Distance? Does MSE do that at a young enough age? Do you have to assist this with puncturing nasal sutures?
Hey there! i have had braces, premolar extractions and wisdom teeth removed, do you think the best option is MSE? Im a 2 hr drive to Dr. Bockow so considering seeing them
Hey Ronald! What would you say the possibility is for an adult male (32 yo) to get a split if corticopuncture is done? I am getting an MSE installed in 4 weeks and will have corticopuncture done during installation. Does this ensure a split for the most part? Hoping to not have a failed device. Thanks! Also, I might like to do an interview with you when I'm done expanding for the education of RU-vidrs with my experience.
Hello I got 2 premolars extractions on the Upper and 2 premolars extractions on the bottom teeth due to orthodontics. If I expand my maxillary with that device can I replace my extracted premolars?
Soft Tissue nose surgery cannot compare to moving the bone to make more room in your nose. This was a helpful quote for me as I'm trying to decide between an expander (again, had one around age 12) or septoplasty.
You said that it's been life-changing - how so? Also, once the separation occurs, I assume the device can be removed after a certain period of time? Or does some kind of retainer always need to be worn on some kind of basis?
I just found out that they do MARPE in Nijmegen. Might not be exactly the same, but MSE is a type of MARPE. www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.orthodontics.nl/userdata/document/Pati%25C3%25ABntinfo%2520MARPE.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiWstK9mcnnAhXDjqQKHe1uAnwQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw1FFr4EFUi2ZWln59KyBSkX
Unfortunately no one knows exactly what the AGGA mechanism is. It's some combination of tooth pushing, tooth tipping, alveolar bone pushing, and remodeling. Mostly the first 3. One thing is for sure: don't believe a word you hear from the AGGA providers.
Crazy stuff, splitting open sutures... I don’t know if I’m willing to risk damage like that despite me suffering from mouth breathing during the hay fever season. I think I’ll give much chewing a try.
In the “dome” procedure you claim it’s done to guarantee that the mid palate suture separates. But a draw back is that it doesn’t allow for mid face expansion. What is the reason for cutting the zygoma, if you’re really just after “assuring the palatal suture gets split? Seems like a better, and less invasive, procedure would be to just do 1/3 of the “dome procedure”... just surgically split the palatal suture and leave the zygoma bones alone.
Super late reply, but let me clear this up. The main benefit of DOME isn't to overcome the resistance of the mid-palated suture, It's to overcome the structural resistances of the skull itself. And you don't cut this zygoma, you cut the maxilla with a cut called LeFort 1.
Could splitting the maxillary suture have any negative side effects? Would it pose any kind of danger if one tried to split it using the force of their thumbs(similarly to MSE) without pushing on the teeth?
Kiss Ármin Some people have done that lol, I think it may risk failing to expand upper part of maxilla + assymetric expansion. One MSE expansion failed because one screw was not drilled far into the bone and failed to expand upper part of maxilla, the titan screw turned out to be very bent. Dr Won Moon showed it in his presentation.
If u expand slowly there should not be any problems. Check online shop from germany-braces shop. They make removable expander and same results as here described. And u will save so much money. I am so happy with my results. I paid for both mandible and maxilla and shipping 400€
even if you somehow managed to split the suture through face pulling (LOL) you will never expand because you can't hold it in place until new bone grows.
Despite having a small palate I was able to make mewing a habit. However my tongue touches my molars.. Should i keep doing this and eventually does my palate expand? I'm also considering going for a MSE treatment here in japan in the future.
Hi Ronald, must a diastema always appear during maxillary expansion? my expansion is almost complete and i dont see a diastema. but my cheekbones are definitely more noticeable. my nose kinda looks the same
You didn’t see a diastema because you had a lot of teeth probably. Most of us got badly effected by extractions so we are gonna get gaps. Me for example, I only have 24 teeth and I’m 18
Do you ever hear of complications? Because I see comments under videos on other channels about how painful MSE can be - and even some that it caused permanent chronic pain, permanent neck instability issues etc. Also - does expansion not create a huge wide nose? And how does it open up the actual nasal tubes deep down which is where things get difficult?
Ostensibly, yes.. it can. According to my respiratory orthodontist and implant specialist duo anywho but do seek your own counsel. i'm going for wisdom tooth implants.
@@Retrofire-47 wisdom teeth implants? if your wisdom teeth is impacted you should definitly extract them. wisdom teeth implants seem pointless I would only get molar implants.
Would controlled arch braces work in a similar way? Obviously not in splitting the suture; But encouraging bone remodelling and growth along the maxilla suture
Im interested as i need enough space for teeth to not be crowded and for my wisdoms to erupt before they are impacted, all i need is just enough milimetres not an overexpansion
Just imagine is MSE could expand over the max of 15 mm. I would go for 25 mm. I also wouldn’t mind it being that wide because it would give me wider cheekbones
10 mm of expansion is by no means a world record. Dr. Mew regularly expands his patients by 10-15 mm, and he said during a webinar that his greatest expansion he ever achieved was 24 mm. Not MSE though obviously
@@disillusioned2710 I consulted many orthdontist and non of them recommend anny kind of appliance to adults, it's a tricky situation if you go and pay allot of money for something and your suture doesnt split and appliances like Bioblock , DNA and so on only make dental movements. They all recommend SARPE for definitive spliting of the suture and widening of the palate. all other stuff is minimal results with big payments or just aimed for people who dont have hardened sutures yet, younger people.
@@CroElectroStile yeah I agree, all tooth borne appliance aren't meant for adults unless done in supervision of daily practioners like Mike/John Mew... But MSE is kinda promising for adults... Since it's bone borne it won't cause any harm unless your ortho messes up big time. Maybe it fails, but you can try again, SARPE in my opinion is stupid if you r looking for any kind of aesthetic benefits... If you are just looking to get a proper occlusion, you can go for sarpe but if you can get mse, it's the best imo.
Hi, I got MSE about a month ago and the left side of the roof of my mouth is very swollen and painful. I have to take ibuprofen every 6 hours. Is this normal? Also any suggestions on alleviating the swelling? please help
So, you expanded the maxilla by 1 cm. What about the centimeter cavity that appeared after that? Do you now just have a large cavity / crack in the middle of the upper jaw ( like on 1:10 )? Does it feel? Does it interfere? Or is it overgrown with cartilage / a new bone has formed in this place?
In 6-12 months the split will fill with boney material. The MSE has to stay in until this happens. That's why my MSE is still in. This is similar double jaw surgery where a large section of the maxilla is pretty much cut off of the face and repositioned in place with metal plates, and then heals into a solid, contiguous piece of bone in 6-12 months.
I'm probably going to get cranial-maxilla surgery this year in order to widen my moper jaw, which is a little narrower than my mandible (mainly on one side), so I have a bit of a cross bite. I also have trouble breathing properly and snore. Is this the same as MSE? Also, does such expansion give you a visibly widened nose? I'm happy with my nose which isn't wide.
Ronald/Jaw Hacks could you please do a video on the Face Mask effect after doing MSE? I'd like to know how the maxilla and zygomatic bones change once you apply the Face Mask after expansion of width. Are you going to get the cheek bones and maxilla to go up and forward with use of the Face Mask, and what kinds of changes will you expect on average, and how would it look using your model? That would be helpful.
Does the bone grow in after expansion? Or, does this weaken the jaws and face permanently? Have you read about dentists/orthodontists removing adult teeth to make room? I had braces in my early teenage years. They removed 4 adult teeth which screwed my jaws up, made me a horrible mouth breather, with chronic sinus issues. Now I am trying to determine whether I want to do MSE or EASE. And possibly add back the 4 adult teeth with implants. So maddening how dentists, orthodontists, and even the modern soft food diet (see the book Breath) has messed our jaws up.
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Does anyone know if the most posterior part of the zygomatic arch (just infront of the ear) widens at all with mse? Any rough estimations of how much they widen with a typical mse procedure? (Standard/average amount of expansion say 8mm when settled)
Hello. We are BMK which is a supplier of MSE. If you`d like to treat MSE in your country, I will send to you information by email. bmkhalo@gmail.com thanks
