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HOW MUCH 3.0 Duramax Oil Pump Belt Service will cost you 

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3.0 Duramax Diesel Silverado and Sierra 1500 LM2 LZ0 www.duramaxnew...
Breakdown of the cost of the oil pump belt for the 3.0 Duramax Diesel.
2020-2022 150,000 Mile interval
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@gladegoodrich2297
@gladegoodrich2297 4 месяца назад
78 years old and not worried about replacing this belt.🤣
@grouchosays
@grouchosays 2 месяца назад
Lmao
@markman7
@markman7 10 месяцев назад
What GM transmission lasts over 200k? Just replace the belt when the transmission is out getting rebuilt.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 10 месяцев назад
Truth !
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
Glad I'm not alone on that. Problem is, it has to be from GM and change all seals, tensioners, chains and gears too.
@pauldavidcard
@pauldavidcard 8 месяцев назад
349000 on mine when I sold it. No issues. 05 1500 HD.
@sprint2648
@sprint2648 7 месяцев назад
@@pauldavidcardyou won’t get that mileage out of these new trannys!
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 6 месяцев назад
@@DemonWorks $15,000? No problem for property barons charging rents 3 times the payment.
@neilkratzer3182
@neilkratzer3182 9 месяцев назад
Absolutely insane for something that could have been engineered differently
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
zero issues though....
@sethlover6498
@sethlover6498 9 месяцев назад
maybe you should take a weekend to re engineer it... you know better than some of the world's best engineers... yawn
@kelleysimonds5945
@kelleysimonds5945 9 месяцев назад
@@sethlover6498yeah, he does.
@holmes1956O
@holmes1956O 9 месяцев назад
​@@sethlover6498you do realize that is a dickhead comment. There are a few different ways already in use to drive pumps and accessories. Also the oil pump in this engine uses a knife and slot drive in the drive shaft for the pump. A clear failure point that could have been done very differently for more reliability. This engine has some very good engineering in it but it also has some very bad ideas like the belt drive oil pump
@traviscrown9189
@traviscrown9189 9 месяцев назад
⁠@@holmes1956Ooh I’m well aware that I made a dick head comment. People who come to the internet to re educate some of the worlds best engineers on engine designs… deserve dick head comments… you should sit this one out too… you claim a failure point.. on a belt that is designed to last 200k miles… hahahaha 200k miles… seriously how many miles you want this stuff to last… eternity? Please go sit down..
@davidsignor7931
@davidsignor7931 7 месяцев назад
As a 40 plus year class 8 truck mechanic I cannot believe anyone would drive one of the most important engine components with a belt
@mauricemotors8207
@mauricemotors8207 6 месяцев назад
Cost simple as that a gear driven one or chain driven simply can’t cost that much more.
@davidsignor7931
@davidsignor7931 6 месяцев назад
@mauricemotors8207 I understand completely it's all about how to get it down the assembly line the cheapest way possible not worrying about quality
@thomaswilson8634
@thomaswilson8634 6 месяцев назад
@@davidsignor7931 yes sir totally the right answer. Wait till you have to put 10k in batteries every 2 years in them electrics. They aint spending billions on battery plants for a few car batteries
@CBU-j2v
@CBU-j2v 6 месяцев назад
The 3 liter Duramax is designed to fail.
@trentwickenheiser8661
@trentwickenheiser8661 6 месяцев назад
​@@thomaswilson8634congrats on winning "dumbest post of the thread"
@panthermartin7784
@panthermartin7784 9 месяцев назад
Chuckling watching this as I listen to the 5.3L tick that has been ongoing for the last 200,000 miles.
@FastBowtie388
@FastBowtie388 7 месяцев назад
Little piston slap, she'll be fine. Mine has 264,400 miles on it. :-)
@daeladub
@daeladub 5 месяцев назад
​@@FastBowtie388 264,400! What year do you have?
@FastBowtie388
@FastBowtie388 5 месяцев назад
@@daeladub 08 Silverado 5.3 liter. Never been in the engine and the only part I have replaced on it was the throttle body
@daeladub
@daeladub 5 месяцев назад
@FastBowtie388 good stuff. Your maintenance must be on point.
@panthermartin7784
@panthermartin7784 5 месяцев назад
@@daeladub I have a 02 Surburban I turned into a hunting wagon, 434,000 miles , engine hasnt been apart. Purrs like a kitten, starting to burn oil , but heck thats cheap .
@graywolf2694
@graywolf2694 9 месяцев назад
Oil pump belt? Wth is wrong with people who thought that was a good idea....
@michaelderkacz5526
@michaelderkacz5526 7 месяцев назад
on certain fords the belt breaks down and clogs the oil pickup
@jeanclaude7018
@jeanclaude7018 7 месяцев назад
@@michaelderkacz5526 NICE. Ford is doing it too? From the company that brought us the six-point-BLOW!
@Mr_Meowingtons
@Mr_Meowingtons 6 месяцев назад
Yeah, now Ford has a recall on this belt.
@smokeskull
@smokeskull 6 месяцев назад
Its like the engineer was mad cause his wife slept with the CEO
@hochhaul
@hochhaul 6 месяцев назад
@@Mr_Meowingtons Only for the 1.0 Ecoboost. The 2.7 EB and 5.0 Coyote F-150's are not recalled and they're still using them as far as I am aware. Gasoline that ends up in the engine oil causes them to degrade prematurely.
@stans1058
@stans1058 7 месяцев назад
Diesel engines have gear driven oil pumps not even chain driven. To put a rubber belt is criminal. Do you really believe these engines will last 200000 miles without some major failure? An oil leak from the main rear seal at 115000 miles illustrates my point. Lastly, if this belt fails at anytime the engine is dead immediately.
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 6 месяцев назад
And add the $6000 transmission.
@stevebot
@stevebot 10 месяцев назад
They’ve refined engine design to the point that they last too long to be profitable by the manufacturer. So, they introduce additional service and maintenance items so those that skip them will have to buy a replacement when something fails or the maintenance burden is so high that the purchase of a replacement is more cost effective or attractive.
@jooseppiluna5717
@jooseppiluna5717 9 месяцев назад
GM engineer explained in an interview on the "Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk" channel that their packaging constraints were really tight and that it would be really difficult to make it a chain or fit it on the front of the engine + if they were able to get it to fit on the front it would be at least as much work tearing the front apart to get at it. Not a case of the engineered in maintenance myth people love to propagate.
@stevebot
@stevebot 9 месяцев назад
@@jooseppiluna5717 They should have been more creative, burying a limited lifespan component deep inside is a poor choice. On the up side, the rear main seal will probably be leaking by the time the belt service interval has been reached, so only a few extra minutes and dollars. We’ll learn the truth if the aftermarket comes up with a chain or gear solution.
@guyforlogos
@guyforlogos 9 месяцев назад
Refined engine design? Last too long? There is not a single new reliable diesel since 2007. The “refinement” would be true except, with modern bullsh** diesel emissions equipment, every single modern diesel, heavy duty or light, is a disaster, a money pit and unreliable. If you remove those… then you may have an argument, alas… you cannot remove those without the long arm of the EPA squashing your neck (and your freedoms) with their doc martins and tens of $$$thousands in legal fees and fines.
@Oddman1980
@Oddman1980 9 месяцев назад
@@jooseppiluna5717 Bullshit. Every engine built outside of this and the Ford 2.7 Ecoboost has been made with an oil pump that is NOT driven by a belt. It's an excuse to use a belt. I could design a chain drive that would fit in there just fine. And I expect that such kits will start to pop up, if this becomes a popular engine.
@holmes1956O
@holmes1956O 9 месяцев назад
​@@jooseppiluna5717thats bullshit a chain could easily have been fitted without taking any more room. Also a gear drive would use less room
@DG-fn7qg
@DG-fn7qg 7 месяцев назад
Auto engineers are fing us more and more with each "new" design.
@robedmund9948
@robedmund9948 2 месяца назад
@@DG-fn7qg And getting paid VERY well to do it!!
@racekar80
@racekar80 9 месяцев назад
$3000, that’s unacceptable for a “required “ repair.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
it's at 200,000 miles ... and it's not like you have a warranty anymore so I guess it's really not "required" right ?
@lauderdalechad
@lauderdalechad 10 дней назад
No different than doing timing chains in an ecoboost
@deane2974
@deane2974 9 месяцев назад
There was another RU-vid channel that interviewed the chief engineer responsible for this ridiculous belt and he basically said "it is what it is, there was not room to put anything else in to drive the pump." I say BS to that! There is NO REASON why a chain drive would not have worked and NEVER need to replace this thing. It might have been easier to accept is this could have been accessed from the front but NO GM in their infinite wisdom put all this out back so the tranny would have to come off. What it really comes down to is they took the cheapest route possible. I have done maintenance all my life and I will never find it acceptable to induce a maintenance action where none was needed before. I had high hopes for this engine in the 1500 and I hold on to my diesels a long time, now I will never own this engine. When my LMM dies I will just go back to gas. This belt and all the emissions crap has soured me on getting a newer diesels.
@robedmund9948
@robedmund9948 9 месяцев назад
That's quite a bill for a truck that is just getting paid off on an EIGHT year mortgage!! Yikes!!
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
200,000 miles in 8 years ?!?!
@robedmund9948
@robedmund9948 9 месяцев назад
@@DemonWorks Depends. We average 15k a year now, but will be retiring and the TT will be used more once that happens.
@jmabs5096
@jmabs5096 7 месяцев назад
If your financing 8 years, the purchase is outside your budget
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 6 месяцев назад
@@robedmund9948I drive 20K+ at 68. These trucks are going to hurt the second owners with a $10,000 plus engine/trans bill when they overpay for these as a clean used truck.
@TyeWills
@TyeWills 2 месяца назад
I really don’t think you should buy it if it’ll take you 8 years to pay for it.
@CrazyPetez
@CrazyPetez 9 месяцев назад
The Ford 2.7 V6 also has a wet belt driving the oil pump. Our American car manufacturers are screwing the American people👎.
@richardradawetz8788
@richardradawetz8788 8 месяцев назад
New ford 5.0 has this too now
@spyderzetta3391
@spyderzetta3391 7 месяцев назад
Why not just go with a gear driven oi.... oh thats right. Profit.
@av8or4951
@av8or4951 10 месяцев назад
They couldn't have designed this better.... C'MON?!
@Trump985
@Trump985 7 месяцев назад
They designed it perfectly, they don’t want your vehicle to run forever they want it to fail as soon as the warranty is up. They have gotten a lot better at engineering lately in the old days to prevent a ton of warranty claims they ended up building stuff too good! They have been taking lessons from the people who design hot water heaters😂
@darkstar0000000000
@darkstar0000000000 9 месяцев назад
Not a diesel tech, but as a gas tech I will say this is an interesting choice coming from the same company that used direct gear drives and chain drives for their oil pumps for....well forever. I'm not doubting it will last 200k miles, but....I will admit, seeing a oil soaked belt and a 200k mile service interval makes me slightly uncomfortable.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
Same ! They have so far proven to have zero issues, which is a nice start !
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
@@DemonWorks You again? You a GM engineer trying to justify this? Sad part is, when these engine all grenade from people not having the money or not knowing it's needed, the law says we can't put in good engines.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
@@jimandersen3003oh hi, you commented to me … again… 😂 welcome back. Your sideways comments are always welcome 🎉
@grouchosays
@grouchosays 2 месяца назад
@@jimandersen3003not sure what you mean. I’m thinking of buying a Duramax and trying to learn
@rollertoaster812
@rollertoaster812 9 месяцев назад
Driving an oil pump from an oil soaked belt seems like the idiotic engineering decision of the decade.
@tadsworkshop
@tadsworkshop 9 месяцев назад
lol you guys have fun with this. I’ll enjoy reliability and inexpensive repairs/maintenance on older engines.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
To each their own, that's the beauty of having options.
@Petesworkshop2225
@Petesworkshop2225 7 месяцев назад
Hell ya. Just picked up a 98, I can do everything on it!
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 6 месяцев назад
@@DemonWorks Especially if you are rich, huh?
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 6 месяцев назад
random! thanks for watching! @@jimandersen3003
@jerrythechainsawguy8100
@jerrythechainsawguy8100 9 месяцев назад
I have 3 friends that went out and bought the 3.0 duramax. none of them have had belt issues, and they love the mileage and drivability. My friends say “when it’s not in the shop it runs great.” With that said, I am curious. Do you consider these reliable? All 3 of the vehicles have been in the shop (sometimes for months), and these vehicles range from 2020-2023. If I bought new, I would expect my vehicle not to break down or get stuck in limp mode.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
I do consider these reliable but they do have their share of issues, much like all of the other engines out there. We have to remember that 20 was the first year of everything being all new, then 21 we had the covid and worker issues, quality has not been at an all time high... Most are great, some have a list of issues, others have an issue here and there.
@jerrythechainsawguy8100
@jerrythechainsawguy8100 9 месяцев назад
@@DemonWorks I feel most people like to criticize a kind of engine (duramax, powerstroke, cummins etc), and claim they are junk and/or break constantly. When in reality, the failures on most of these engines are emission related. Emission that the EPA (branch of our government), has federally mandated auto manufacturers have to equip on vehicles. I guess my point is, we shouldn’t blame the manufacturer. It’s the government’s fault. “Hey guys, we need you to cut pollution by X… oh, and do it right now.”
@zman245245
@zman245245 9 месяцев назад
Our 22 Sierra 3.0 has been great. Average mid 20's mpg. No shop visits other than getting the park assist module and heated steering wheel installed from the chip shortage. We use it to pull out camper and the fiance commutes almost an hour ~3/4 highway. We wouldn't have bought a diesel if she commuted closer. Please don't buy one unless you're going to regularly drive on the highway where it can regen. That's why so many people complain about these trucks and have issues. Modern diesel emission systems cannot handle in-city, stop and go style driving. The owners manuals say so, and yet people still complain.
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
Just get a 350!
@D3AThCAl2DS
@D3AThCAl2DS 9 месяцев назад
Duramaxes i feel are getting better. Some cummins are better than others. We kept a power stroke turbo in stock at a lincoln dealership need i say more. L8t is the best gas v8 gm has made in a long time.
@OnlyMeee-ie3dw
@OnlyMeee-ie3dw 3 месяца назад
I wonder how much difference the belts would be between putting 100k miles on one in a couple years compared to one with 100k miles put on it in 10, 12, 16... years.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 3 месяца назад
I will show that when the opportunity arises. Good suggestion.
@kamlee4010
@kamlee4010 7 месяцев назад
I worked with the Kevlar positive drive belts back in 2003 on the flying cut off saw in a saw mill . It snips very easily when the saw blade gets jammed by the cut off log . I was very surprised that car manufacturers are using the Kevlar cog belt for oil pumps . I thought they would come out with stainless braided steel cables instead of Kevlar to make the drive belt more shock resistant
@hochhaul
@hochhaul 6 месяцев назад
Big difference in energy of a flying cut off saw jamming on a log and the shock that an oil pump belt will see. If a small oil pump belt saw anywhere near that much energy, you're breaking your oil pump on top of it.
@Slowhand871
@Slowhand871 8 месяцев назад
Another thought I have a 2002 Silverado 2500HD with the 6.6 Duramax 321k I will now list all the costs associated with the engine in 21 years One water pump $300? Two fuel filters $250 Two serpentine belts and idler pulleys $450 … I had some issue with the transmission that was $850 about 11 years ago. I changed the oil every 3-4k and that’s it.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 8 месяцев назад
Superb! Not sure why that info is shared here, that's an engine from nearly a quarter century ago, may as well list all the repairs my 350 SBC needed while I was growing up. And yes, in regards to your other comment, if an EV is appealing to you and you are looking for any possible reason to justify it... absolutely !
@samuelbonacorsi2048
@samuelbonacorsi2048 Год назад
I would be more than happy with a $3000 charge, but I bet it’s way more. I needed a new thermostat on my 2013 Lml and since it was January I didn’t feel like freezing. Took the truck into the dealer who promptly charged me $149 to diagnose that I needed a thermostat. Three days later the truck was done for a total charge of… drum roll……$1147. I bet the oil belt will run people $5-6,000 easily at a dealership.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks Год назад
I quoted at a dealership level. This number should be what one should expect.
@jackhammer2671
@jackhammer2671 11 месяцев назад
Find another dealer.
@darkhorseautoanddiesel
@darkhorseautoanddiesel 10 месяцев назад
​@@jackhammer2671Find another truck that doesn't have piss poor designs like this.
@holmes1956O
@holmes1956O 9 месяцев назад
​@@darkhorseautoanddieselyup something built before 2000
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
It's junk! Do not buy! Worthless GM engines now except 6.6 Duramax. AFM lifters? LMFAO these engineers have jobs!
@thece8702
@thece8702 9 месяцев назад
I'll cross that one off the list of engines that I might want to own.
@hochhaul
@hochhaul 9 месяцев назад
Cross off all the engines offered in the F-150. They're all using the oil belt setup now. At least this belt is easy to get to. Ford put theirs at the front of the engine so you're removing all the accessories mounted on the front of the engine, the harmonic balancer, radiator fans, etc. Then once you get the timing chain cover off, you realize that the belt is routed behind the timing chain, so you're removing the timing chain just to change a rubber belt.
@polarys425
@polarys425 7 месяцев назад
@@hochhaul add the failing turbos and cam phasers to his list as well. The duramax's oil pump belt will far out last both of those.
@mbrick
@mbrick 7 месяцев назад
​@@polarys425the phasers are fixed after a replacement with the new part. 2021+ already have the part. Not aware of premature turbo failures. But yes most engines have their issues.
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 6 месяцев назад
@@hochhaul There's no shortage of stupid anymore!
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 6 месяцев назад
And what are the phasers doing that matters? None on my 2003 and it works great!
@davem3789
@davem3789 9 месяцев назад
Total BS. Oil pumps should be direct driven on the crank. Everything else should be gear drive.
@mikemerk1
@mikemerk1 3 месяца назад
Great video. I didn't see a difference in tension on new vs old belt. That's why I don't want to work at a shop though they barely get enough hours if they are lucky to do the job.
@JackS425
@JackS425 9 месяцев назад
I see no issue with this. The trans the engine is connected to will never outlive that belt
@santiagohills3997
@santiagohills3997 3 месяца назад
My 1999 4Runner had belt driven cams on a similar service interval. The idea was that you’d be in that cavity for a water pump before the belt went. But my water pump never went, so a little past 200k I went ahead and swapped the belt. Bottom line, it was fine and really could have just been driven to infinity. My kid totaled it at 265k so I won’t be reporting back on the second belt
@terrypikaart4394
@terrypikaart4394 10 месяцев назад
A belt driven oil pump internally, is just asinine....
@lowrider9367
@lowrider9367 9 месяцев назад
Great video. I would be interesting to know what kind of weight that belt is pulling during normal operation. Then it would be interesting to see what kind of force it would take to rip the belt apart using the gears that drive it. Looks to me that the belt was doing great. My guess is that most people with the LM2 will adhere to the 200k interval where no components have changed on the LZO besides the duty cycle. $3k is a bit much for owners to cough up every 150k. Lot's of shade tree mechanics will be doing this to save that kind of $$$. Great video though. I sure hope you keep us posted on any failures that you see. I think that's what most people want to see, especially the haters.
@hochhaul
@hochhaul 9 месяцев назад
Change it early. The youtube channel "I Do Cars" did a tear down on a 3.0 Duramax that failed. It was very reliable right up until the belt failed at 147k miles. I Do Cars also got a 2.7 ecoboost in with the same wet belt oil pump setup and that belt had failed at just over 100k miles when chunks of the belt starts coming off, mixed with the oil, and got sucked into the oil pickup screen causing loss of oil pressure. Current theory is that unburned gasoline is very hard on the belt and causes it to deteriorate prematurely. Since Ford now uses a pickup screen that's molded into the bottom of the plastic oil pan, all the debris that settles into the pan gets pulled towards the screen very easily.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
@hochhaul the belt didn't fail, the timing chain tensioner did.
@4961Studebaker
@4961Studebaker Год назад
You mention the timing chains are showing issues. Are you seeing chain stretch, sprocket wear, or tensioners getting chewed up. Call me in the minority these worried me more than the oil pump belt ever did. As always appreciate you posting all this. Glad there are those who do and those who put lots of miles on their trucks to show in advance of any issues.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks Год назад
I appreciate the kind words! I have not personally seen timing chain issues but some are beginning to surface on the internet, so I am watching for those. best prevention of timing chain issues is fresh and clean oil, which I personally try to make sure my engine has.
@4961Studebaker
@4961Studebaker Год назад
@@DemonWorks good to hear. I’m on a 4000mi change interval myself. Next one I’ll send sample to Blackstone for analysis
@rogerjustice8835
@rogerjustice8835 9 месяцев назад
No thanks, I’ll stick to my 12 valve Cummins. New diesel’s are expensive and built to break that way.
@jasonleatherwood2172
@jasonleatherwood2172 9 месяцев назад
Problem is people gonna drive this truck 10000 mikes a year and the belt gonna break from age before ya hit mileage interval
@craigquann
@craigquann Месяц назад
Why the hell is it not chain/gear driven. Wonder if the aftermarket will make an upgraded conversion to chain.
@garyjarvis2730
@garyjarvis2730 9 месяцев назад
The engine is a complete disaster if this is what General Motors expects will happen. Whoever designed and approved this setup should have lost their job the minute it was proposed. There is absolutely no consideration of how these products will be used and serviced when something like this is approved. Are they counting on the fact the truck will not be worth anything at 150--200K so what difference does it make? If so cross GM off the list of truck purchases. Oh, and Ford is not immune from stupidity. Many operations require removing the body from the frame to complete successfully. All this and 100K price tags is why our auto industry is doomed.
@GIGABACHI
@GIGABACHI 10 месяцев назад
What's gonna kill most of those 3.0L Duramax it's a lack of oil changes and using the proper weight and kind.
@drizler
@drizler 9 месяцев назад
That goes for any modern vehicle in recent years with direct injection and or turbos. What galls me is how these companies are calling for extended oil changes. You look at how black and soupy the oil comes out of these cars compared to what you’ve seen for the past decades it should tell you something. For me it’s 5000. And I don’t care what any manufacturer or especially government dictates , oil is cheap and easy. When I saw the tear down of a turbo for one like my 2.7 and they showed that tiny little screen on each turbo, I couldn’t believe it. As the presenter said, “if you do anything to any of these turbos, you better change that screen, regardless of mileage “ and I believe him. Those things really are tiny and have very little surface area to plug up . Virtually all vehicles today. Have to be handled with kid gloves in the oil department unless you want to destroy them very prematurely.
@Tangent360
@Tangent360 10 месяцев назад
Labor costs are seriously $175 per hour now? I've been DIYing everything for over 20 years and had no idea it had reached anything near that expensive...
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 10 месяцев назад
Many are the same way, perhaps my channel can give you some guidance on a 3.0 duramax if you have to work on it yourself.
@SHSPVR
@SHSPVR 10 месяцев назад
That why I do all my own work it is just getting ridiculously overexpensive
@scrappy7571
@scrappy7571 10 месяцев назад
Our dealer shop rate is $199.99 per hr. Even the indy shops here are $150.
@SHSPVR
@SHSPVR 10 месяцев назад
@@scrappy7571 $200 per hour which is shop rate right and you're making what $20 maybe $30 per hr and you wonder why inflation has gotten so far out of hand
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
About $110 here in central Cal.
@craighoffman6876
@craighoffman6876 10 месяцев назад
The "I do Cars" RU-vid channel has a teardown video on the 3.0, it is an interesting engine. The probable reality is the weak GM torque converter will require service at about the same time that the belt does, easy enough to do the belt at that point 😂 These are great trucks compared to what else is out there - everybody is having problems these days except for Toyota. I have 2 friends (ya it is only a sample of 2 but still) that have 3.0s and they have been great. They sure run well.
@hochhaul
@hochhaul 9 месяцев назад
The torque converter isn't "weak", they were running the transmission fluid way too hot for the extra 1% fuel economy boost. 200F transmission fluid causes the friction material on the torque converter clutch to degrade prematurely. By your logic, Ford put a wet belt on all their F-150 engines so that way they would get customers to pay to have the timing chain done "while they're in there" because in Ford's infinite wisdom, the oil pump belts are routed behind the timing chain. It actually makes the location of the Duramax oil pump belt look genius. Instead of tearing all the accessories, harmonic balancer, radiator fans, timing cover, and timing chains off to change a belt, all you have to do on the Duramax is slide the transmission back, remove a cover, and the belt is right there, no worries about valve timing or harmonic balancers.
@craighoffman6876
@craighoffman6876 9 месяцев назад
@@hochhaul Agree. Ford's belt setup worse 😄 To be fair, the belt in "I Do Cars" 3.0 video looks fine at 146K miles. The Ford belts shown on the same channel not so much. I like the 3.0, it is an interesting engine, really like the latest generation with it's steel pistons.
@bradhaines3142
@bradhaines3142 9 месяцев назад
actually toyota isnt great on trucks. the v6 twin turbo had waste gate defects (supposedly new supplier solved the problem)
@tombryant4518
@tombryant4518 4 месяца назад
Toyota is junk as well. I gave them two chances and and not going to waste another penny on anything Toyota.
@mefobills279
@mefobills279 9 месяцев назад
I would have designed engine with a Power Take Off Shaft, and driven as many accessories as possible off of it, oil pump included.
@wiseal9063
@wiseal9063 9 месяцев назад
makes so much sense ...change everything like an alternator of p s pump
@brucepeabody6644
@brucepeabody6644 Год назад
not worried about the cost at all. Knew about it when i bought my 2022 with the 3L duramax. If you have to put a few thousand dollars into a truck with 200 thousand miles on it,so what, at 200k miles a lot of things could need replaceing. I am very pleased with my truck. Best mileage truck i have ever owned, pulled my 3500 pound trailer the other day and still got 23mpg.
@jtmartin8445
@jtmartin8445 Год назад
But what happens when the belt shreds and stops up your oil pump? Then you have to buy a whole new engine and these new diesel engines are not close to being cheap. Even in a few years these engines will still be expensive as hell.
@slickcasner4205
@slickcasner4205 Год назад
@@jtmartin8445 so far, I’ve never even heard of a 3.0 belt failure. After the first year. Have not even had a 3.0 having any problems. Outside people putting DEF fluid in their diesel. But have had to replaced lots of GM V-8’s and cannot count the V6 eco-boost failures.
@toddkovalcik332
@toddkovalcik332 Год назад
Love my 2020 as well. Had a leaking main seal at around 12k that was covered under warranty. While I would like it to be 100% trouble free, I don't really expect that from any vehicle or brand.
@toddkovalcik332
@toddkovalcik332 Год назад
@@jtmartin8445 I suppose that would be a very bad day, but so far these engines have been rather reliable from what I have seen. No engine is perfect and none are expected to last a lifetime, but if cared for fairly well, I suspect they will provide a very satisfactory lifespan.
@jtmartin8445
@jtmartin8445 Год назад
@@toddkovalcik332 Almost every early 2000s engine will last a million miles IF maintained properly. That’s a million miles without timing chains or it being pulled apart for any reason what so ever. These new trucks are scrap metal when compared to early 2000s trucks. Why would anyone buy one if your going to have to change out that ignorant ass belt every 150-200k and hope and pray the belt doesn’t degrade before it’s time to change it out. New trucks are a joke. Look at the new duramax engines they’re junk. The injection systems on them are complete garbage. Even the new power strokes have an injection system made by the same manufacturer that makes the injection system in the duramax. The problem is they’ve completely outsourced research and development to third party companies who end up creating a horrible product and then us customers pay the price for their half ass designed shit. Like afm or dfm in new gm gasoline engines. That’s one example. Gm didn’t design those lifters. Melling designed those lifters for gm.
@juddhouston8229
@juddhouston8229 10 месяцев назад
A belt running in oil is a disaster waiting to happen. That is a money maker for G.M.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 10 месяцев назад
Yeah, GM is raking in the money on a 200,000 mile service !
@2strokeFORever
@2strokeFORever 10 месяцев назад
Just sad. It would be so easy for the engineers to just make it chain driven but some pencil pusher wanted to save $
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 10 месяцев назад
Currently it's looking like the belts are outlasting the chains in these engines....
@2strokeFORever
@2strokeFORever 10 месяцев назад
@@DemonWorks when did these engines have chain driven oil pumps?
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 10 месяцев назад
@@2strokeFORever timing chains...
@2strokeFORever
@2strokeFORever 10 месяцев назад
@@DemonWorks ohhh dang. Yea then I'd say belt is least of the issues..
@David-yy7lb
@David-yy7lb 10 месяцев назад
They could have made the engine with a crankshaft driven oil pump like the 6.6 dmax and all the LS engines
@oceanventure
@oceanventure 9 месяцев назад
I’ve installed many timing belts in the past and they are definitely good ones and bad ones so let’s hope there’s good quality control on this oil driven belt buyer beware.
@H0MEDADDY
@H0MEDADDY 9 месяцев назад
Unfortunately people are so fixated on price they will seek out the cheapest Amazon parts they can find and cry when it fails prematurely. I see it all the time with all kinds of repairs.
@D3AThCAl2DS
@D3AThCAl2DS 9 месяцев назад
I saw a dozen at the dealership i used to work at
@hochhaul
@hochhaul 9 месяцев назад
@@D3AThCAl2DS I've seen dozens of F-150's with disintegrated oil pump belts. Turns out all the gasoline that ends up in the engine oil is really really hard on rubber belts down in the crankcase. Just love that Ford started using these rubber belts AND putting them on the front of the engine, behind the timing chain. These things are coming apart at 100k miles, so you're spending hours tearing everything off the front of the engine including the timing chain itself to change it. All the debris that come off of the belt due to gasoline breaking it down end up in the oil pan, which is a plastic pan with the oil pickup screen molded into the bottom of it, so if the belt doesn't break, the screen is clogged up with oil pump belt and causing a drop in oil pressure. Real great for the valvetrain that doesn't tolerate any reduction in oil pressure.
@nattadam4171
@nattadam4171 9 месяцев назад
Always buy name brand timing belts. I learned the hard way.
@hossein3867
@hossein3867 Год назад
thank you for all the information you provide, I have watched every episode.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks Год назад
You are very welcome !
@gregpaszt4671
@gregpaszt4671 10 месяцев назад
Whoever in GM let this be designed needs fired.What a stupid idea why rear gear train that in stead of in front of engine.Mary Bara needs gone.Oh yeah and ju nk lifters in their Silverados way to screw up a trust in a brand good work.You saved the stockholders 5 cents.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 10 месяцев назад
I don't think you have seen the front of a 3.0 duramax? there's no room. for the gas engines, same lifters since 2007 (well, "redesigns"), I don't think gm cares about the lifters much.
@gregpaszt4671
@gregpaszt4671 10 месяцев назад
@DemonWorks extend the truck front fenders and frame 1 ft .Just like 2500 hd extend it make working on back end way easier.
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
You sound like a mechanic that has to fix this stuff!
@coreybabcock2023
@coreybabcock2023 9 месяцев назад
Glad I have a 98 ford E250 with the 4.2 l V6 Essex engine and oil pump is driven from the cam syncro
@tylersmith6979
@tylersmith6979 10 месяцев назад
Maybe this is why gm can't sell the 3.0s in my area. They have bigger discounts on them then trucks with the 5.3
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 10 месяцев назад
Seeing discounts on everything right now!
@Tiovergudo
@Tiovergudo 9 месяцев назад
The 3.0 is very sought after. The problem was it was at the higher price point and trim levels. Now they are finally at the 5.3 prices.
@Meh-2023
@Meh-2023 7 дней назад
3 grand to keep a 65k vehicle running? Not bad if that's all it needs. Considering that by the time it is necessary, a replacement truck will likely be another 80k.
@sledstorm1
@sledstorm1 9 месяцев назад
So where is the out-rage for damn near all of the new Ford gas engines using a belt for the oi pump also? Everyone wines and complains about the 3.0L Duramax, but nobody talks about the Ford gas motors.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
Right?! and those are the ones with actual failures....
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
Are they under the trans and I have not heard of them today but would not buy that either. My Ford 4.6 timing drive is in the front btw.
@michaeldemko8522
@michaeldemko8522 3 месяца назад
Don't know if this is accurate but was told by a GM technician I know that it was originally designed for a cab over vehicle and repurposed for a Silverado/Tahoe/suburban. Anyone else hear similar to this?
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 3 месяца назад
That’s something that’s been passed around but never any facts to back it. The engineers for the engine stated this was a clean sheet design for these trucks.
@lewiswatchorn7239
@lewiswatchorn7239 Год назад
What makes the transmission R&I so time consuming? I don’t have any experience removing transmissions in the current trucks but in older trucks, it was easy to remove the rear driveshaft, remove the transfer case and transmission crossmember bolts, remove the bolts from the bell housing, remove the rigid fluid lines, and slide the whole assembly back. This only took a couple hours. Can you help everyone understand the work involved with the R&I? Thanks
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks Год назад
Same, essentially but you also need to remove the dpf and the exhaust back pressure valve, the trans cooler and cooler lines, coolant lines…. Nothing is out in the wide open.
@guyforlogos
@guyforlogos 9 месяцев назад
Depends if it’s RWD or 4wd, big difference not to mention if you live in the rust belt, good luck getting all the DPF and exhaust off without damage, therefore WAY more expense.
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
Try changing a 4wd trans on a 2000+/- era with torsion bar suspension in your yard!
@guyforlogos
@guyforlogos 9 месяцев назад
@@Juan_n_only how many mechanics do you no with small dainty hands? The ones I know always need my help to even loosen tight bolts and nuts. My hands are a tight fit in xl gloves and my friends tease my popeye forearms…. So, tight fits are extremely time consuming for me and a multitude of mechanics.
@tommyschiller6097
@tommyschiller6097 9 месяцев назад
Why wouldn’t they make it a chain driven unit ? And why is it in the back of engine? $3000 seems like a lot of money for maintenance on this engine. Plus removing so many components just for this service. Just my thoughts. Thanks for the info.
@Stevonoles1
@Stevonoles1 2 месяца назад
At a national average of 14,500 miles, doing this every 10 years is not bad at all. Most don't keep their trucks for 10 years. It's the 2nd buyer that could get hosed. They need to be sure it was done before purchasing.
@derekkimball6662
@derekkimball6662 9 месяцев назад
Driven off the crankshaft, Drives the oil pump, In a constant oil bath, Let’s put a belt in there. You know, behind the rear cover, but in front of the transmission. I thought my ford was bad…….
@pepeshopping
@pepeshopping 9 месяцев назад
In a world where all the better designs got rid of belts and nondurable components. GM went the easiest route for their very "macho" truck. 100% of plastics, rubber and any petroleum derived products, WILL breakdown! In this specific cost savings example, the oil temperature will be the determining factor for the cheap belt duration. They could have used a metal chain, but I can tell the decision came down to serviceability, NOT durability!
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
The 3.0 duramax runs very high oil temps, not seeing any signs of that being a factor with this belt design.
@GoogleDoesEvil
@GoogleDoesEvil 8 месяцев назад
Their macho trucks have the 6.6L Duramax not the 3.0.
@therev6689
@therev6689 10 месяцев назад
Looks like the same slack lol
@biastv1234
@biastv1234 9 месяцев назад
Excellent review
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
Thank you !
@Douglas-up2vh
@Douglas-up2vh 9 месяцев назад
That belt will llast 200k. It was in perfect shape and the oil bath preserved it. Usually oil degrades rubber. Definitely a special rubber formula . But i wouldn't buy that Turd if i won the Lottery. Im 61 and owned 3 pre emission Cummins 5.9 trucks. Best engine ever put in a pick up. Zero issues and they were pampered. Hands down the only bulletproof true blue ckass A industrial engine.
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
I do like my presmog 7.3 but can't say a bad thing about the 5.9.
@grouchosays
@grouchosays 2 месяца назад
You mean you would buy a Duramax? I’m trying to decide whether to buy a Yukon Duramax or gasser. Worried about lifters.
@1798iscomingback
@1798iscomingback 4 месяца назад
Hi ticket service items at 1/2 life is not uncommon. You drive 200K miles, spend $3K and then drive more 200K and then scrap the vehicle. They use belts on motorcycles w/o problems.
@stephenbrown7815
@stephenbrown7815 9 месяцев назад
Ford used a wet belt on the fiesta motor for a timing belt. The belt will come apart and clog up the oil sump resulting in engine failure. The redesigned 5.0 uses a oil pump driven belt. Not using Ford approved motor oil results in premature failure of the kevlar belt.At this point use a chain or crank driven oil pump. Anything other than this mess. Good vid.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
I keep seeing comments in here about clogging and was unsure where those claims were coming from. I knew it was from a different vehcile but now i know, the fiesta. Appreciate the comment and the info about the fiesta and the 5.0!
@alouisschafer7212
@alouisschafer7212 9 месяцев назад
Wet belts are absolute garbage. The wrong oil or not sticking to strict oil change intervals will cause the belt to disintegrate and you need to replae tlbefore the engine blows up. There is no reason on planet earth why they could not have just made a standard dry! timing belt.
@briantii
@briantii 10 месяцев назад
I don’t mind belts and requiring service, but to put it on the transmission side just seems really dumb…
@UQRXD
@UQRXD 9 месяцев назад
Last thing I would ever buy is something that has oil pump driven by a belt.
@hochhaul
@hochhaul 9 месяцев назад
All the F-150 engine options now use this kind of oil pump belt but they're even more work to change since it's on the front of the engine behind the timing chain.
@eurowerx4267
@eurowerx4267 2 месяца назад
Whoever thought this was a good idea must have been a DEI hire for sure!!!
@garyradtke3252
@garyradtke3252 9 месяцев назад
Most book time is shorter than actual time needed. They are derived from warranty times that are created by the manufacturers and the manufacturers pay the warranty claims. It's like writing your own paycheck. Also, many people think they actually perform the repair work to determine how much time they will pay which is not true. I believe it is based on factory assembly time with no credit for corrosion or clean up and possibly how many dollars are dialed into the product price for warranty repairs. Oh yes! You actually pay for the warranty when you buy the product!
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
Try doing the job in your yard. $2000 is absurd for such a bad design flaw.
@hochhaul
@hochhaul 9 месяцев назад
@@jimandersen3003 Design flaw? You're a clown dude.
@jasonrowen8938
@jasonrowen8938 9 месяцев назад
Zero consistency in published labor times, most service writers are too dumb to see this or even ask,instead of seeking clarification ,they usually just quote the lowest price... another of the many reasons I recently retired from this business after 30 plus years...
@StephenPaul1160
@StephenPaul1160 Год назад
Thanks for mentioning those plugs that are covered by the rear cover plate. What are they for and how do you seal them? Do they have o-rings on them or thread sealant?
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks Год назад
I used amzn.to/3F0cJNI clean the threads really well, only use a little bit. GM calls for blue loctite there.
@lawrenceanderson4651
@lawrenceanderson4651 7 месяцев назад
Can we come to you for that repair?
@yzf600fl
@yzf600fl 2 месяца назад
From my understanding all of that and the timing components should be changed at 150k miles. I have a 2022 Trail Boss with the 3.0L. I wish I would have researched a little deeper before buying the truck. Don't get me wrong, it's a great truck. The mileage is unbeatable. And it does really well off road and when towing. But that's an expense I don't I care to have. Currently looking at either a 2500HD or 3500 dually (crazy part is the 3500 dually can be had for less than the 2500 with the same options available on both models). Major difference for me is a dually is not exactly ideal for offroad use 🙂
@sentryfe74
@sentryfe74 9 месяцев назад
I believe the new gen 4 Ford 5.0 has a new oil pump driven by a belt. It also now has cylinder deactivation.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
I believe you are correct!
@hellkitty1014
@hellkitty1014 9 месяцев назад
The 3.0L Powerstroke V6 they offered up until '21 also had a belt-driven pump.
@mikeblack6953
@mikeblack6953 8 месяцев назад
Yes, that's true, but I belive you only need to take the oil pan down to change the belt.
@paulg7964
@paulg7964 4 месяца назад
Ford relies on the end user for engineering. 6.0 Getrig junk transmissions. Body panels installed while no one working the shift was sober. 😂
@evertmcdonald5485
@evertmcdonald5485 Месяц назад
It is just a stupid design I wouldn’t have one just because of its a rubber belt And the time is ridiculous 9.2 hours ?
@MrNismopro
@MrNismopro 11 месяцев назад
Here’s the thing… if you do a belt replacement at 150k miles. Then re-install the transmission, and the 15,000 miles later your transmission starts to act up and have to rebuild it. So wouldn’t it be better to overhaul the transmission while you’re there. Or, best case your transmission takes a crap before 150k and then you do your oil pump belt. 🤔
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 11 месяцев назад
that's a decision one can make when the time comes.
@briantii
@briantii 10 месяцев назад
Really comes down to how likely the transmission is to need rebuilt. If maintained properly, I’d expect the transmission to last 250 - 300k.
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
Made of money people here? I drive my old trucks for 200,000 miles for less than this belt cost.
@someinternetguy955
@someinternetguy955 9 месяцев назад
What a bunch of garbage! We have used gears and chains in engines basically since the creation of the internal combustion engine. There is no need for a belt that needs service, when we have better options that will last the life of the engine. Just build it properly, and stop this over-engineered garbage.
@guyforlogos
@guyforlogos 9 месяцев назад
9.3-15 hours for a regular maintenance item? To replace a belt? That’s ridiculous! So, any money you save in fuel mileage you loose four times that in maintenance costs. 🤦🤦🤦 WTF?
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
how often do you hit 200,000 miles on a vehicle? I also did the math before, and the fuel savings is there. With the Diesel, we also do not have spark plug changes every 100k nor valve carbon buildup to deal with. Then the other question is, how often do transmissions make it 200k miles? if the trans needs a repair, bam, getting that belt taken care of for minimal $$$ ...
@guyforlogos
@guyforlogos 9 месяцев назад
@@DemonWorks I have over 650k on my 12v cummins Dodge, 356k on my 93 grand cherokee, 472k on my volvo wagon and 192k on my classic 914. So i guess it depends on perspective, I am not the average customer because I maintain my older, far superior cars that are not like the modern trash they sell today with over inflated price tags. Some of the older cars have had substantial maintenance, none of which though, came even close to the cost of upgrading to newer models. I also have self worth which doesn't give me the desire to purchase brand new cars so I can have an ego boost. I have no innate need to "keep up with the jones's" or "look at me and see what I can afford" syndrome... I also have no debt... so there is that.
@GoogleDoesEvil
@GoogleDoesEvil 8 месяцев назад
@@guyforlogos How many transmissions have you gone through on your Cummins? I'm on my original engine and transmission on my 6.6 Duramax.
@guyforlogos
@guyforlogos 8 месяцев назад
@@GoogleDoesEvil Zero, mines a manual, done 2 clutch replacements
@GoogleDoesEvil
@GoogleDoesEvil 8 месяцев назад
@@guyforlogos Ah, yeah that'll do it. Great choice!
@dennisbethards3231
@dennisbethards3231 9 месяцев назад
Neighbor spent 1600 to replace a simple water pump on a Toyota Highlander they pulled the motor extremely poor design
@drew7767
@drew7767 Год назад
i’m curious if any aftermarket is working on putting a chain in its place or some other fix rather than changing belt more than once. seems like it would be worth the investment. i know i would pay to do it once and never do it again if possible. who wants to spend $3000 on a truck with 300,000 miles on it and let’s say 10-15 years old to put 2nd belt on!
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks Год назад
I hear ya, but I do not see the value. If you have to go in there at 200k, the chances of one needing to go back in at 400k is so minimal. I'm sure some of these engines will last 400k but not all. There really is nothing wrong with this belt design, in my opinion. Not one failure reported. We are starting to see timing chain issues show up, though.
@drew7767
@drew7767 Год назад
@@DemonWorks your right i’m sure most won’t try and keep them on the road that long. i commute so i am hoping to go upwards of 500k but time and costs will dictate that. i will definitely push my 2020 to 200k before changing and may push further. if it fails i don’t see it being catastrophic, what is your opinion on that? what happens if it breaks or cogs start to slip?
@janbastein7355
@janbastein7355 9 месяцев назад
It’s ridiculous to use a belt to drive the oil pump!!! Same like Fords “ wet timing belt””!!!!!
@12v71detroit
@12v71detroit 9 месяцев назад
the gm diesel owner will be servicing this while changing the transmission
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
Closer to the truth than many think.
@craigg4246
@craigg4246 7 месяцев назад
The dealer shop rate in my area is $230 per hour. Adding our 9% sales tax will put this bill at $4k!
@mdnichol427
@mdnichol427 9 месяцев назад
That whole engine is an abortion absolute nightmare to work on and the labor times blow ass
@alp3781
@alp3781 8 дней назад
And why using a belt on an oi pump? What happened to direct drive?
@brandon9715
@brandon9715 9 месяцев назад
Honest question. Is there any benefit to having a belt driven oil pump? Seems like unnecessary added maintenance expense.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
I believe it's all for fuel economy, besides easier packaging, lightweight belt to drive the pump and zero noise.
@guyforlogos
@guyforlogos 9 месяцев назад
The benefit is the manufacturer saves a buck or two per unit up front and the customer gets a $3000 maintenance bill later down the line, therefore keeping his dealerships happy. If the manufacturer is lucky, it gets a $12-15k sale on a new engine when the belt fails ten minutes after the warranty expires and all the metal starts eating itself with no oil flow.
@brandon9715
@brandon9715 9 месяцев назад
@@guyforlogos I’m inclined to agree with you. Seems like a poor design.
@hajjdawood
@hajjdawood 9 месяцев назад
@@guyforlogosyou do realize you have an oil gauge that dynamically updates every second on GM vehicles (its sensitive enough to show increased pressure under acceleration) in addition there is software to warn you and shut off the vehicle in the event of oil issues
@guyforlogos
@guyforlogos 9 месяцев назад
@@hajjdawood and by the time you see the problem, the gauge, a shut down…..damage is already done. 🤦
@wondurfulworld8285
@wondurfulworld8285 9 месяцев назад
This is just a pure stupidity to but a belt in the back of the engine at a close area which will suffer from heat and lack of cooling plus have rear main seals that leak oil on it🤣
@jayv7404
@jayv7404 Год назад
Nice to see a breakdown of this. My Dad and I did a bunch of research on the 3.0 before he bought his. Even with this belt replacement, the savings in fuel cost will easily cover it. Plus it’s 2wd, so it will take less time. It’s been a great truck, much better than having a 5.3/6.2 truck sitting at the dealer waiting for non available lifters.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks Год назад
Glad it was helpful! Thank you!
@tylersmith6979
@tylersmith6979 10 месяцев назад
I have calculated the costs and it seems that diesel is actually more expensive than a gas engine per mile. By doing the math, I found that for a gas engine with a mileage of 20mpg on the highway, the cost per mile would be $0.07. On the other hand, a diesel engine with a mileage of 27mpg on the highway and a DEF tank that lasts for 3000 miles would result in a cost of over $0.08 per mile, including the cost of DEF. Therefore, based on these calculations, it appears that gas engines are cheaper per mile compared to diesel engines.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 10 месяцев назад
@@tylersmith6979 that's the best way to consider if it's worth it to you. A lot of variables, however. Just comparing to a "gas" engine could go a few different ways. a 5.3 takes 87 octane and a 6.2 takes 91. Where I am, 91 is about 20 cents cheaper than diesel per gallon vs 87 being roughly $1 per gallon. I would rather have a 3.0 duramax than a 5.3 gas truck. I would rather have a 6.2 gas if I didn't drive so much and already have a 21 camaro. My camaro is really close to the same operating cost per mile as the 3.0 duramax.
@jayv7404
@jayv7404 10 месяцев назад
@@tylersmith6979 That’s all location and driving style dependent. We live in the south so diesel is cheaper. Plus most of what he drives is highway, so the def consumption is minimal- also def is much cheaper at the pump vs buying it by the jug. It’s saved a bunch on fuel and is mulch roomier than his old 2013 Malibu.
@JimBronson
@JimBronson 10 месяцев назад
In my area of Central Texas the least expensive regular unleaded is $2.46 and least expensive diesel $3.19, using GasBuddy to survey prices. Assuming 17.08 mpg for a 5.3 and 24.57 mpg for the 3.0 diesel as per Fuelly 2023 averages, the difference in raw fuel costs for the 5.3 is $21604 and the 3.0 $19475. Subtract $800 for the higher acquisition cost for the 3.0 on the LT model and the difference left is about $1300, not enough to pay for this oil pump belt job. Even at $200K the difference is $2039, still not enough to pay for the job at the new recommended 200K interval for 2023+ trucks. But, close if you like the diesel. The clear low cost leader is the 2.7 Turbomax, which at 19 mpg average will have less real fuel cost than the 3.0, and costs $2390 less than the 3.0 if you do the "build and price" on the GM site for an LT model Silverado 1500.
@nickoloes
@nickoloes 9 месяцев назад
Lol oil pump BELT! What a joke design... Ever heard of a chain???
@bobjackson4287
@bobjackson4287 9 месяцев назад
Meanwhile over in 5.9L land everything is gear driven. The truck will fall apart around the engine, twice before it needs major internal work. Belt driven oil should be an automatic no for anyone buying a Diesel. What is even more strange is these small displacement Diesels don't make much sense. You have to buy DPF and deal with the DPF system, pay about $1 more per gallon since it's diesel and worry about when the emissions system will take a $6k dump. All for a engine that makes.. 450 ft.lbs. A 12v Cummins Dodge or a 7.3L PSD will make that torque or more, cost way less and be way more reliable, and get manual transmission options as well!
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
I always enjoy it when you guys come in to comment.
@bobjackson4287
@bobjackson4287 9 месяцев назад
@@DemonWorks Why thank you, but the point stands :)
@Gratitude6ixty9ine
@Gratitude6ixty9ine 9 дней назад
Or just customize it to where its not a belt but a chain driven oil pump
@zaxpage9003
@zaxpage9003 9 месяцев назад
Oil pump belt....well if my old 74 gmc had one i would be in trouble. That's the perfect part in the perfect place to get people to buy a new engine just after warranty is over. They don't build them like they used to.
@ih302
@ih302 9 месяцев назад
Three words that should never appear together / in this order: oil pump belt. Friggin' GM...
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
I guess Ford's doing it now too.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
ford did it first and other manufacturers did it before them ...
@kelleysimonds5945
@kelleysimonds5945 9 месяцев назад
I now know I will never own one of these. Absolutely ridiculous engineering.
@danielteichroeb7200
@danielteichroeb7200 9 месяцев назад
And people make fun of the 1.0L ecoboost from ford that runs a timing belt in oil, this ain't any better plus you gotta take out the tyranny to replace it, thats so stupid.
@jackhammer2671
@jackhammer2671 11 месяцев назад
Don't know about anyone else but I don't put 200k miles on my trucks in a 5 year period so that's irrelevant to me personally as far as the belt change...I will be buying a Denali or Denali ultra soon and will get that 3.0 Duramax with all I've heard about it's performance...I love smoothness and sound of N/A V8's and was going to get the 6.2 but heard some horror stories on lifter and engine failures but never heard much bad about that 3.0 so far...so this time I will go with the 3.0 after driving one I was rather impressed with it's get up and go and I've been a V8 truck guy for years...not fussy for the the exhaust note but can't have everything I guess...great detailed info on the belt change for those who will be needing that done however.
@averyalexander2303
@averyalexander2303 10 месяцев назад
Just like a timing belt or serpentine belt, that oil pump belt is going to degrade over time regardless of mileage. GM claims a 15 year lifespan, but I'm not sure I'd trust that considering what other belts often look like after less than 15 years despite no exposure to very hot oil. I Do Cars has some videos showing what oil does to internal belts over time. I'm not saying it will fail within the suggested 15 year/150-200K service interval, just that it's longevity is IMO unproven and waiting 15 years to change it is a risk I wouldn't be comfortable with considering other experiences with belts and the lack of long term data.
@guyforlogos
@guyforlogos 9 месяцев назад
The contractor who buys trucks and uses for a living can easily do 100k or more a year…..
@holmes1956O
@holmes1956O 9 месяцев назад
​@@averyalexander2303the belt in this video had very serious cracks in the valleys of the coged side of the belt. That is a definite failure point
@averyalexander2303
@averyalexander2303 9 месяцев назад
@@holmes1956O For sure!
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
You have been warned!
@jamesbasye2362
@jamesbasye2362 9 месяцев назад
Thats stupid why not just have an oil pump driven off the timing chain or serpentine belt
@Urreasteve
@Urreasteve Год назад
DemonWorks, seems like you’re very knowledgeable in this area. I’m in the market to buy an Suburban or Yukon XL. We need the extra space. What are your thoughts on the diesel DURAMAX 3.0 turbocharge or 6.2L V8? I am leaning towards the diesel only because of the consumptions. Any thoughts?
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks Год назад
This is my 4th 3.0 Duramax and I love them. They are great engines that work really well and are efficient. There are some bad ones out there as well, so nothing is perfect. The maintenance cost is a little higher than the gas but the fuel efficiency offsets that. That being said, i love the 6.2 as well, it's so simplistic and works very well! yes, they can have lifter issues and there is a span of the 6.2's with engine problems, but if you don't get one of those bad ones, they are phenomenal.
@jimandersen3003
@jimandersen3003 9 месяцев назад
Buy the 6.6 Duramax diesel. GM AFM engines and this diesel are pathetic!
@hochhaul
@hochhaul 9 месяцев назад
@@jimandersen3003 Funny, I know so many guys at work with 2014+ trucks with AFM that have never had a lifter problem. The only one that had a lifter problem was a guy with a 2011 that would change the oil every 8000 to 10,000 miles. One of the guys has a 2015 Silverado 5.3 with 200k, all the original lifters working fine, never turned off AFM. Another has 180k. Amazing the difference changing your oil before 5000 miles can do for a guy! It's almost as though the old timers that changed their oil every 2500 to 3000 miles were on to something...
@OtisFlint
@OtisFlint 9 месяцев назад
@@hochhaul My buddys 2021 blew up at 8k miles thanks to AFM. When he took it to the dealer they had a dozen new trucks dead from AFM ahead of his and no parts during the pandemic. Took months to get it fixed. Great engines LOL. You want reliable now, buy the 2.7 4 banger.
@sargepent9815
@sargepent9815 9 месяцев назад
Over 3k in labor alone, local dealership is $190/hr for "heavy mechanical" which this work would be. Yes these engines don't need the tune-ups that the old engines used to need every 9-12k miles. But everything is FAR more complicated and FAR more expensive.
@MrJockoDundee
@MrJockoDundee 10 месяцев назад
Thanks. Good vid. Got the same weigh safe too. Great ball and hitch.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 10 месяцев назад
Thank you!
@todddavis3416
@todddavis3416 9 месяцев назад
Why not a chain? Seriously
@alecmurray8339
@alecmurray8339 9 месяцев назад
I know your channel says demonworks, but you’re really doing gods work educating us lol
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
Appreciate the kind feedback !
@GrandPrix46
@GrandPrix46 9 месяцев назад
Add those piles of shit to the things I'll never own list.
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks 9 месяцев назад
But you watched the video, and I appreciate that! The More You Know !
@mikemoon2197
@mikemoon2197 Год назад
Looking at that top & bottom gear, would it be possible to for an aftermarket manufacturer to make a sprocket type gear and swap the belt out for a chain and eliminate the need for this wearable belt? Just looking at the video there appears to be adequate room. What are your thoughts after having everything apart and working on it?
@DemonWorks
@DemonWorks Год назад
There is room and I'm not certain it's even necessary. At most, an owner will likely go in there one time and no sense in spending a bunch of money on parts when the belt is so cheap (the labor is not, i get it). the other side of this, there has not been one failure to date that's been reported so I think the system is ok.
@loggerchadwake7141
@loggerchadwake7141 9 месяцев назад
A service item that requires removal off major components. Really messed up, would stay away. Ford 4L same deal with timing chain. Engineered to be trouble.
@100pyatt
@100pyatt 9 месяцев назад
GM stupidity once again. This should've been a chain or gear driven pump 🤡
@herbertwatson5101
@herbertwatson5101 3 месяца назад
Engineering needs to be slapped they don’t care about their customers
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