Exactly wtf Im talking about, they said clear as day if Lamar Takes an L this game Its all on him, But Josh Allen loses and its the Bills let him down. Smh
And lost the other 3 vs Mahomes lol last time Lamar was MVP Ravens were 1 Seed everybody said ain't nobody beating the Ravens swore up and down nobody beating them and Chiefs won the Superbowl lmao Chiefs fans heard all this before we don't care about who you beat in regular season and how bad,we don't wanna hear all that noise Mahomes be starting his 17th playoff game well
I hear you but Allen is a way better thrower of the football. No disrespect to Lamar I hope the ravens go to the Super Bowl and win. I’ve always had respect for that franchise as a bears fan. 2000 ravens defense top 5 best defenses of all time if not the best
Lamar's team finally caught up with him. He LJ8 been him since Louisville. His organization held him back.. my opinion.. Steph vs LeBron.. Tom vs Peyton.. Pat vs LJ8..... I know y'all gotta wait to see it but that dude is THAT DUDE.
Mahomes has never had a top 10 defense in any of his Super Bowl appearances. Ravens and Chiefs each have top 5 defenses this year. Lamar is really good but he hasn't won in the playoffs without a top 5 defense.
The thing that I hate them not discussing is how LJ8 had Marty Morniwig and Greg Roman as his OC for those seasons!! Patrick Mahomes was drafted into an offensive gurus scheme!! Even Alex Smith looked elite under Andy Reid's tutelage!!
Lamar closes the gap with a ring you can’t compare the stats cause they 2 different types of qbs. But it’ll separate Lamar from Josh and burrow they always put them ahead of LJ
And on top of that, Pat has more throwing attempts, and has played more games. If you were to take a snapshot of his stats now and then took a snapshot of Lamar’s when he gets to that amount, it’d be a lot closer than people think.
exactly, also stats dont do lamar justice fully anyways, the ravens are always gonna have an amazing running attack cause lamar is their qb. this season is what the entirety of lamars career is, stats will never do him justice
Really if Lamar win the Super Bowl bro go have 2 mvps, 2 all pros, a Super Bowl mvp and a Super Bowl in 4 full seasons. Nobody would have done that in 4 full seasons
He 26 yrs old, how can he finish his story? They said he needed to make it to an AFC Championship game and he’s here, but now they are saying a SB! Moving the goal post
This is the BEST DEFENSE Mahomes ever had tho. Sure it's the worst offense he ever had but it's his defense playing Lamar and this is by far the best defense the chiefs ever had with Mahomes
Why are so many people ignoring this? The Chiefs literally won their division because of their defense. The Chiefs are still a great team, they're just great in a different way to what we're used to.
Agreed but Lamar defense is still better. Thats the beauty of it. One qb may not have to play well and could still win cause his defense is getting after the other qb
They be dropping the ball on these arguments. Pat had the advantage of Ried and Hill and an aggressive offense. Lamar didn't have the same amount of weapons til this year, always had a defensive conservative coach. This year Lamar was finally healthy again and proved he's right there with Mahomes low-key a bit better as far as not getting shut down as easy when wideouts ain't catching the ball or getting open. Lamar is the ultimate weapon, pick your poison.
Lamar still doesn’t have weapons 😂 Rookie Zay flowers The corpse of OBJ And Rashod Bateman Every team in the league except the panthers have a better WR core than the ravens And Gus Edwards and justice hill are both backup RBs
Not necessarily, do you see how they have been playing regardless of the whole Patrick has beaten Lamar but this year these guys are playing fearless and like they are having fun they don’t even look worried and Lamar is hungry! Ima a chiefs fan I hope I’m wrong honestly but til the game is over we can talk about this
Joy Taylor and Shady McCoy are definitely big time Lamar Jackson haters on this segment. Ironically, Emmanuel Acho who has probably been Lamar's biggest critic is on the right side of history of this clip. If Lamar wins on Sunday this clip will live in infamy (I'll make sure of that) as Lamar overtakes the throne from Mahomes when he get his 3rd MVP and 2nd ring next year.
Since Shady wants to talk stats, this (regular) season, Lamar and Pat both started 16 games. Lamar has 4,499 total yards, 29 total TDs, and 13 TOs. Mahomes has 4,572 total yards, 27 total TDs, and 15 total TOs. That's a whopping 73 more yards for Pat, and 2 more TDs and 2 fewer turnovers for Lamar. Seems pretty dead even to me. For their (again, regular season) careers, Mahomes (96 games/starts) has Lamar (86 games/77 starts) beat in total YPG 316.3 to 245.8. Mahomes' win% is ~10 points higher than Lamar's (77% to 67% respectively). Mahomes' completion % (66.5%), yards/att. (7.9), and passer rating (103.5) are all better than Lamar's numbers (64.5 comp%, 7.5 y/a, and 98.0 passer rating), but not by much. Lamar does have more than twice as many rushing yards (5,258 to 1,936), rushing TDs (29 to 12), and a higher rushing y/a (6.0 to 5.2) than Mahomes with ~500 more rushing attempts for Lamar. So, yes, Mahomes is definitely the better QB. He has two rings, two SBMVPs, more playoff success, etc. and has the edge in most statistical categories as well. But to say that there's nobody else even in the conversation (or close to it) for best QB in the NFL is delusional at best. Especially if Lamar wins his 2nd MVP (which seems likely) and wins the SB (which the Ravens have a good shot at doing if they get there), then the margins separating the two become even tighter. For this generation of QBs, Patrick Mahomes is akin to Tom Brady. But his Manning hasn't really emerged yet. A lot of people say that it would be Josh Allen since the Bills and Chiefs have so much recent playoff history, which is fair. But for my money, the Manning to Mahomes' Brady is Lamar, another generationally talented QB (albeit not in the same areas as Mahomes) with an extremely talented team and coach behind him who is finally poised to stake his claim to a championship this year, and for the next few years after too. Note: All stats pulled from pro football reference. Edit: Corrected Lamar's TO total for this season.
It ain't close dawg. Pat's post season numbers are just ridiculous compared to Lamar's which is why is such a wide gap between them. His numbers even trumps the greats in all time rankings. Win Pct% .813 - 1st Total YPG 312.8 - 1st TD - INT 38/7 - 1st Pass Rtg 106.7 - 1st Comp Pct% 66.8 - 1st Playoff winning% trailing by 7+ 8 Wins - 2 Losses(.800) To put in perspective Brady's record trailing by 7+ is 10-11 (.476) Pat is already a Mt.Rushmore in 6 seasons while Lamar is barely a top 15 all time great qb. Even if he wins a superbowl it still ain't that close.
You compared Lamars best season to Mahomes worst, lets do lifetime or playoffs and i guarantee those numbers look widely different. By chance would you have those numbers from last season? For some reason i can't find them.
Look at God. Lamar Jackson was designated a future WR and RB who would fail in the NFL as a QB. Now listen to the conversations he is being narrated into. You love to see it.
You’re right he’s closer instead of being 2 miles away from Pat and not being even able to see him in the distance if he wins this year and wins the Super Bowl MVP he will kind of be able to see him in the distance but still be pretty far away
@@DuckFanDaneNot really tho lol Both of them are 2x MVPs & 2x 1 st team all pros. If lamar breaks thru & wins this ring??? He’s 1 behind him. it’s not far off AT ALL
@Semperityy it's still be a distance. 6 straight afc conference championships. If chiefs lose mahomes still be 13 and 4 in playoffs and Lamar will be what 3 and 3. Way more tds passing yards. Yah Lamar is way behind mahomes lol
@rockjm9876543210 man who does Pat compete with in his division? That division has been weak since he's been starting QB. The closest team to Pat that was decent was a chargers team a couple years ago and Raiders with Derek Carr... let's be real here. AFC North is far more talented QB wise and talent wise. The records speak for itself!
@DBell20 Understand that he highlighted that weakness to all of us. Before he came into the picture it looked competitive between mid teams. That's what he brought. His dominance in that division is also clear in the AFC. The NFC South,AFC South and a lot of other divisions are same until a good player comes in.
I am a die hard Ravens fan and Shady is absolutely right. 6 straight AFC championship games for Pat cannot be questioned. Lamar would have to go to at least 3 AFC title games in a row to even knock on Patrick's door. No need to get that far ahead of ourselves. LETS GO RAVENS
Nah. So let’s say the Ravens go back to back. They’d be tied. The narrative about Mahomes will change, so it does matter. How can Mahomes have a goat case when a contemporary matches him in wins
@@michaelkearney1313 yeah let’s just go far into the realm of hypotheticals and say Lamar can go back to back before he even gets to his first Super Bowl. You gotta stretch it that far cuz that’s the distance between Mahomes and Lamar
@@henrystreet6152It’s literally 2 games away from the first and the 2nd one is hardly a stretch because if Lamar wins a first it’s no logical reason to doubt he could get a 2nd. The 2nd could actually be easier because he would enter next year with no pressure and nothing to prove so he could play relaxed plus he could get guys back like Keaton Mitchell, Andrews, year 2 Zay Flowers and year 2 himself in a new offense
@@henrystreet6152 bro what are you even talking about? How is it a stretch when he should win this Super Bowl? The problem with you and Shady is that yall are putting feelings over facts. Like yes people feel like Mahomes is way ahead of everyone else but factually speaking he isn’t. At the end of the day you are measured by rings and MVPs. Which if Lamar wins this year, he will be only one ring behind Mahomes
And after he wins a superbowl they gonna move that goalposts again and want him to go play Baseball in the spring and dominate over there before they can respect him finally 😂
if lamar wins this super bowl he’s miles ahead of every other qb outside of pat and that’s not even remotely controversial so how wouldn’t he be closing the gap on pat?
He would be closing the gap on Patrick Mahomes, but he would still be a mile away from him . People don’t understand how far the accomplishments are between Lamar and Patrick Mahomes. Do you even be in a conversation with Mahomes? He would need another year where he goes to the Super Bowl and wins the Super Bowl MVP . He probably still wouldn’t be considered better than Mahomes after that because of Patrick Mahomes making six straight AFC championships and 3 Super Bowls, but it would be a conversation. We also have to factor in This was just his first game that just happened where Lamar did not play bad in the playoffs. You realize that Patrick, Mahomes and Lamar have the same amount of playoff losses right? The only differences Patrick Mahomes has 11 more playoff wins. There’s also tons of other accolades where Mahomes is better. We should not compare Mahomes and Lamar unfair to Lamar.
Bro I don't care if you make AFC conference and Superbowls appearances, if you don't win, it doesn't mean nothing. By your logic Aaron Rodgers should get more praise and consideration because he made like 4 or 5 nfc conference games but it doesn't mean nothing
@DuckFanDane nobody would be talking about Mahomes if he didn't have the players he has had. Lamar just got a team where he doesn't have to do everything he can do win. He sits in the pocket more than he has ever had to do because he has players he can rely on.
@@aidabsmith8457winning in the league that is about winning doesn’t mean anything? 6 STRAIGHT. Every year he has started. Not 6 in his career of 20 years. EVERY YEAR he is either in the Super Bowl or one game shy. This is the entire point of football - to win. It’s the entire point of paying a QB - to take your team to the distance. If you beat everyone else but 1 or 2 teams EVERY YEAR regardless of cast it matters. Owners and GMs don’t care about your MVPs. You don’t see any MVP banners hanging in stadiums. What are you doing for the organization and where are you taking the team? That’s a crazy take.
Yall are hating on Lamar. If he wins the Super Bowl he would be 1 behind Pat. It would be close. And now Shady wanna talk passing stats. Lamar has won more games earlier than Mahomes has the only other QB that has won the same and that’s Brady.
@@christian6911how does winning a Super Bowl (with 2 all pros/ 2 MVPs) tie just making to a Super Bowl( with his best accomplishment being a pro bowl) ppl forget the 2 years Joe was in the afc title game Lamar was hurt. And when he was healthy the ravens were leading the division both years
Acho, Shady etc…here’s the question…would Mahomes be in the conversation at all if he had the same level of receivers that Baltimore had prior to this season when Lamar first became a starter…How many other QBs have done more with less
Also, tad onto that question could Lamar do what Patrick Mahomes has done with bottom 15 defenses and take them to the Super Bowl I would say no because he struggles even with the great defense he has had.
@@caydenantrim2156 Lamar's #1 receiver in 2019 was Willie Snead. Let that sink in. Mahomes has a bad receiving corps. now but that's after he had already come into his own. People don't understand that Tom Brady was not the QB in 2001 that he was in 2007 etc. Once these QBs figure out the league they can carry a team. If you gave Mahomes Lamar's receivers from year 1, he never becomes the QB he is today, guaranteed.
Pressure is only on Lamar and the Ravens. Everyone thought the chiefs were done but they forgot they still have Pat and Andy. This will be Lamar’s best chance to get and win the superbowl. If not now then when?
Mahomes had the best TE in football and one of the best WRs in the league most of his career while being in a pass first offense. Lamar had a top 5 TE and a bunch of mediocre WRs while being in a rush first offense. Doesn't make sense to compare stats without context.
I like how y’all Mahomes haters say “he had the best WR and TE in football.” Ok so how is Tua doing with this best WR? How about the 2 years after Tyreek that you just want to completely ignore? Y’know the one where he won the Super Bowl with Juju as the WR1 and is now in the AFC championship with 0 1,000 yard receivers.
@@caydenantrim2156 you understand that Hill changed Tua's life right? Tua was thought to be a bust until Hill came and made him look like a top 10 quarterback. It's the same thing when Diggs went to the Bills and made Allen look elite and when Cooper went to the cowboys and changed Dak's life
You mean the Lamar D riding. All I ever see in the comments are about Lamar being the best in the league. Y’all comparing a guy making his first ever AFC championship appearance to a guy who’s going to his 6th consecutive appearances. That’s just plain stupidity. 😂
This is not about LJ vs Pat, this game is about LJ creating space between him, Burrow, Allen, and the rest and stepping up into the realm of Pat. LJ got to win a chip to enter the convo of Pat and win multiple to be considered higher than him. Talking heads always jumping the gun
Lamar doesn't really become seriously affected by pressure anyway & no shame losing to mahomes so Lamar knows everything he's done means nothing cause people believe mahomes is not beatable in these big games so he still proving himself.
They're saying this is the worst team Pat has been on, but his team is still as good as this Baltimore team. This is the first time Lamar has had decent WR options. How is the offense of the Ravens better than the Chiefs? They say Pat is a better QB, Kelce is a better TE than any Ravens TE, Pat has his starting RB, and his WRs aren't coming off ACL injuries. Don't let these boys fool y'all. Lamar and Pat will be on an even playing field Sunday, and Lamar will win. Not because he has a better team, but because he won. Lamar is playing without both his starting RBs, and his main weapon Andrews is banged up/out.
Glad you see it. They are trying to create a can’t lose scenario for Mahomes where if he won all the credit in the world but if/when he loses it’s because he wasn’t supposed to win
@@truthbearer7891 EXACTLY 😂 I hate when people do this and also notice how the prior weeks nobody was mentioning mahomes it was all about was Josh Allen better than Lamar or was Joe Burrow better 😂 now all of a sudden Josh Allen won't be mentioned as a lesser QB than a 2 time MVP.. SICKENING 😂
Lamar could win the next 4 Super Bowls, and it wouldn't matter to some people because people will always prefer a pocket passer, and Mahomes is the perfect prototype of it. But to me, even if Lamar wins one ring, the debate is close.
Mahomes just happens to be the most physical gifted QB we've ever seen with the greatest 6 year start of any QB. Thats a big IF, Brady didn't even win 4 in a row let alone 3. Another if, if Lamar wins a Super Bowl he will be #2 but it won't even be close.
That’s not true😂😂😂 If Lamar wins the 4 next Super Bowls; they would definitely move Pat out of the way ( and Lamar would deserve it )they argue every year for someone other than Mahomes and it’s not close right now
Yeah they are going to be forced to admit that Lamar is better even with back to back rings if Lamar gets a 3rd MVP and beats Mahomes again in the regular season and playoffs next year because then he would have a better overall record than Mahomes in H2H plus 2-0 in playoffs and would have caught him in rings. And would be first back to back champ since the GOAT in Brady@@user-ds8sf3iv1g
I hate that they have to keep moving the goal post on Lamar, and minimizing him as a QB. Pat Md Lamar do things differently when a massing their numbers be TD’s. They all said h needs to make it to an AFC Championship game and he has, but now it’s not good enough
What often doesn't get talked about in these debates/discourses is the any given Sunday aspect of the game. Sure the Ravens on paper should be able to give KC the smoke, but what if the defense don't show up? Or what if KC's defense plays out of its mind and shuts down the RBs on Baltimore, forcing Lamar to have to throw 40+ times and he comes through, but Mahomes has another GW drive? For either team to win and earn more credits for their leader, they gotta show up, because as they pointed out, drops, penalties, missed tackles, fumbles and what have you won't be discussed, which really makes for disingenuous opinions that sound like people don't understand the game even though they do, but are more interested in clicks and views because that's what pays lol
I agree with what you're both saying and I'm fully on the Baltimore bandwagon. I just get a little annoyed when pundits try to de legitimize real factors and aspects of a game to give undue credit or blame lol
Y'all make me laugh...Mocking people is not good,no matter what!..But just remember what Lamar said to the reporter the night he was drafted to our team....He said' their gonna get a Super Bowl outta me!..." And it's just a game away...Go Raven's,your flock is giving you our energy and faith!!! Kick they're A$$....
I think why patrick is suitable for modern nfl from a media point of view. 1. Perfect mix of a running and passing qb 2. Both white and black masses can claim him due to his parentage and his family. He can both play race carf if necessary or rise above it. 3. He has all the off field physical looks to be what society thinks of a superstar qb I know people may not agree but deep down everyone knows that's the truth. He has best of all the worlds both on and off thr field
I think they’re discrediting the ability to get to 6 straight conference championships and 3 super bowls. That is ridiculously impressive. Lamar is the 2nd most accomplished QB but that gap is huge
I think the point JJ and Acho are making if Lamar does win one this year, even with going to 6 straight AFC title games. Pat would only have one more superbowl than Lamar and thats really it. Pats stats will look better, look who he played with to start his career. Lamars number will be special as well cause the total offensive numbers he brings. So can the gap really be that big. Lamar would have won all his accolades during the Mahomes era.
You also have to consider the fact that for 4/6 of those years Pat had a all time top 10 wide receiver, arguably the best pass catching tight end of all time, and the best offensive mind in the league with Andy Reid. Lamar did not have that type of luxury and really couldn't even open up his full arsenal until this season and now look how he has performed. If with all that Lamar ends up only being 1 Superbowl away how can the gap be that massive?? There's still a gap for sure but it's definitely not disrespectful to have that conversation. A Superbowl win here separates Lamar from the Burrows and Allens and puts him just a tier below Mahomes, and I think people need to start looking at the new and improved Ravens as if they could potentially now go on a run for a few years and win a couple titles, now that Lamar has a team around him. Bro was a unanimous MVP, like you said I think people are taking how hard THAT is to do for granted, in a league where there was Tom Brady and Pat Mahomes playing. I think that's the argument Acho is saying Lamar deserves to start having - could he be an obstacle for Mahomes for the next few years if he wins this Superbowl? And that's a fair argument imo
@@JamalB21 Thats not just it, 6 years of excellence. Mahomes has the best 6 year start of any QB. I don't think it would even be close. Now Pat #1 Lamar #2 and everyone else is a planet away.
@@AJ4K.0 Was Hill considered a HOF WR before or after Mahomes got there? Was Kelce considered the best TE before or after Mahomes got there? No one was even close to talking about those guys before then. Hill was a PR before he was moved to WR. Mahomes made those players better. No one was saying Reid was a HOF caliber coach or a top 10 coach before Mahomes. Eagles surely didn't feel that way.
I made this point to my boys at the 9:12 mark. It’s crazy how they keep lowering the bar for Pat to catch Brady but raise the bar mad high for other QBs to equal in achievements what Pat has done. Jim Kelly went to 4 straight SBs and Conf chips SO WHAT. It’s wild that the bar is low for one player but high for other for an active player who won’t catch the legend lol
Lamar doesn't have to win everything. I'm sick of people acting like he is a whole team alone.I can't stomach the guy with the glasses.The next thing he will be saying is LJ needs to win 3 Superbowls to be considered GREAT.I don't watch them because of him.
I heard one gentleman calling the game Saturday, the guy said (he) L Jackson is doing the ali, the late great Mr Muhammad Ali's foot work, i watched it with my older brother, i told him, that's L Jaxkson before the game, then i showed him Ray Lewis walking in, i told my brother, he's a 2x retired champion for Baltimore, and is his time playing, you did'nt want him to hit you, back L Jackson, i love watching that young man play, that announcer wasn't telling a story, he's so athletic, and that foot work makes you miss many times, i would'nt miss that game, if some of those professional boxers, had foot work like that, they would be a problem, it's been some great qb's, but Jackson has the coldest feet movement i've seen, he dips in, back out, takes off running, make you go right, stop i'll see you later, and take off going left, sometimes, he throws off his feet, and hits him target, and i like the nfc game to, those defenses Detroit have that young man born in Michigan, he's good, and the 49er's have a good defense also, they're qb's isn't as good as Jackson and Mahomes, those better protect they're qb's, because Detroit will be coming , and so will the 49'er, Bosa just keeps trying to come after qb's spinning like a second on a clock, two good games.
Lamar is one of the greatest of all times2 he helped change the game and breaking records2 and didn't even have a good receiving group until now mahomes came in the league with a good one so I don't know how it ain't close when he won a unanimous MVP trophy in his first full year😴
Moral of the story, It’s not about who’s better . It’s about being in the conversation , and if he wins it all , he will . yes it’ll take more to be even close to patty but he most def will be in conversation‼️ but no pressure at all , Lamar built for this.💯
How do you say so? He’s never made it to the Super Bowl. Don’t speak to soon boy. Remember only one of these qb is bonafide. The only way the other gets in the conversation is if he wins this game. Which he’s favored in.
@@jayruiz4249 ok without speaking to fast , Lamar is only behind one qb since coming n the league in win percentage , mvps , and sbs , besides patty , ain’t now one closer , only in playoffs .. if he solidifies himself there, he is elevating his legacy to another level .. every 2x mvp before him has a sb n are already n hof but Tom n patty , so make it make since , why wouldn’t he be n conversation 🤷🏽♂️
@@jayruiz4249 clearly you didn’t watch the game , they barely ran the ball , for them to be number 1 n rushing , it show wasn’t last Sunday, only ran 8 run plays . Lowest all season , they wasn’t stopped , they lost to themselves. N plus p mahomes made no mistakes . 3-5 total penalties for chiefs 8-10 for ravens . U rewatch film my boy
this is not the worst team mahomes has been a part of. it’s the worst offense (which is still above average) and the best defense by far. and the offense still has healthy mahomes and andy reid to put together a few more fantastic game plans.
Patrick Mahomes and The Chiefs play in a division that has The Raiders, Broncos, and Chargers. And ppl wonder why they make it to the playoffs every season, let alone the AFC Championship game. 😑😒 Just like Tom Brady when he played for The Patriots in a division with The Jets, Dolphins, and Bills…When they weren’t good teams. Basically a freebie to the playoffs and AFC Championship game. 😑😒 Both products of being on great teams in bad divisions.
It's not bad for a lack of trying; those teams move heaven and earth trying to compete with KC. Risking crazy amounts of draft capital and free agency dollars trying to keep pace. Mahomes is the catalyst for that desperation
Lamar clears Burrow with a SB appearance & he’s already cleared Josh Allen. Shady can throw all the shade he wants. Ps. 2021 Bills had the #1 ranked defense with a so called mvp caliber Josh Allen , prime Stephon Diggs & a prime Dawson Knox
I never understood the player to player comparison arguments completely...because last time I checked...it's 22 vs 22 if you only counting the defense and offense.
The narrative will change when Lamar goes out there and blows pat mahomes out and out plays him they’re acting like it’s not even a question who’s better
Go find Lamar Jackson’s records in the playoffs before this season, it took him a top 3 defense, a WR core filled with first round picks, and two TEs that could be starters on nearly any team to finally make an AFC championship. Mahomes won the Super Bowl with Juju as his WR1 and is making the AFC championship with Justin Watson as the WR2.
But, Mahomes and the Chiefs don't get blown out... It took till Mahomes SECOND Super Bowl till he lost a game by more than 1 Touchdown!!! And here's another thing, if Lamar suffers an RG3 type a injury, nobody will even consider him a great Quarterback... Maybe, a bunch of shoulda,coulda,woulda's... If Pat retired today, he'd be considered one of the best ALL time QB's...
It would definitely be a conversation if Lamar wins the chip. Lamar has broken numerous records and has a winning percentage up there with Mahomes. The majority Mahomes career he had great weapons including Tyreek Hill & Kelce. This Lamar’s first year with solid weapons. The media constantly disregard the weapons Mahomes had and lack there was for Lamar
@@dhLord64 Had is past tense. Even while having “poor accuracy” he lit the league up passing in only his second year winning the MVP unanimously with a weak receiving core.
They aren’t ready for that conversation and definitely secreting hoping Lamar loses so they don’t live in infamy with all these receipts of them disrespecting Lamar.
@@truthbearer7891 Thats all it is really 😂 they been shitting on Lamar all season since the preseason remember all those takes when he got a contract signed 😂
Patrick Mahomes has achieved more than Lamar Jackson to this point.... He is not better than Lamar.. look at the talent Patrick walked into... Lamar had significantly less talent and was in the playoffs every year
@@jakieresykes3644 He has achieved more...Lamar has played with far less talent than Patrick Mahomes.. Lamar has turned Mark Andrews into a All Pro player... Patrick Mahomes inherited 2- 1000x yard receivers (Hill, Kelce). The chiefs was a playoff team the year before Mahomes was the starter... Ravens missed the playoffs the yr before and then started the season 4-5 put Lamar in went 6-1...made playoffs. No QB looked bad playing under ANDY REID fyi
@@kambuibomani231 no he isn't.. he has acheived more... but patrick mahomes is not pat anywhere else... Ravens gave Lamar no weapons and he still made them a playoff team...
They’re avoiding that conversation. This game is about the distance Lamar creates from Burrow & Allen. You heard shady say “ we not talking bout Josh “ 😂😂
I think what Shady was saying was that Pat has shown more consistency in his career (granted Lamar has been more injured) but talent aside, the best ability is availability and Lamar hasn’t been that available. Not saying Mahomes isn’t great but we also don’t know what he’d be like without Andy. And maybe Andy got lucky with him too in a way cuz he couldn’t win with the solid squads he had in Philly 🤦🏾♂️. But Lamar is a great QB as well. Same with a lot of QBs. Id put burrow in the same category as Lamar. Great but injury prone.
Lamar can also say I have a unanimous MVP and that's something Pat doesn't have. There's only been two people to ever do it and that's him and Brady. But this is if Lamar wins the super it close the gap a lot in my opinion
Pat is the greatest QB in Football right now. Despite his offesnse letting him down he has still gotten them to the AFC title game. With that being said, Lamar is the second best QB in the NFL and after this season will be number one. If you win a MVP (an individual award) idk how you're not the best. If Jared Goff wins the Super Bowl this year will people be saying he's better than Lamar and Pat?
An interesting observation when it comes to Pat Mahomes' rushing ability, if some can prove/disprove this that would be great, but I think Pat might be the greatest 3rd and 15+ yard rushing qb of all time. His rushing is so under rated. Lamar and Josh are more athletic rushing qbs, but you really can't sleep on Mahomes rushing ability.
I don’t get it, Lamar has proved himself all season and you can even now say post season (if you really wanted to) However, if he loses to a 2x Super Bowl champ that is supposedly a “different animal” in the playoffs, his reputation this szn is tarnished. I’m just waiting for what reason they use to not put respect on his name when Lamar does win it 😭
I like how joy say it’s a successful season for a mvp with the best team in the league to just be happy being in a afc championship game😂😂😂😂. But killed purdy for in her words had to have a come back win while playing a bad game and he still a horrible qb.😂😂😂.
Super Bowl head coach.. that’s like sayin coach mike in Dallas.. he won one too… but how long ago were them superbowls???? … I love how acho has all the anwsers when he was a practice squad player
The singular thing that will separate them would be playoff resume. Lamar’s playoff resume doesn’t sniff Mahomes in terms of wins. But everything else Mahomes has done Lamar won’t be far off
Stop it! There's no pressure whatsoever on Lamar Jackson. The Ravens are unstoppable. Everyone but him are mere mortals. Mahamoes is great, but Lamar is exceptional 🎉❤
The difference between Joe Montana and Tom Brady is the QB protection rules. Joe Montana didn't have that protection. Plus, a side note. I don't remember the San Francisco 49ers ever being labeled " Cheaters " on anything. I may be wrong ? But the New England Patriots have.
People say this is going to be the worst team Pat has.... Wait, Does Taylor Swift own a Hot Tub Machine, Delorean, or the Fountain of Youth. Just like the GOAT with Gronk, when Kelce goes, we will truly see how great Pat is in the playoffs. Kelce showed up against the bills, and people aren't even talking about that.
Everyone who disagrees with Shady actually watches football…. Pat had the team around him to do those things he did Lamar did not. Now that Lamar has that he is approaching Pat with almost the same amount of SUCCESS in the league as in same amount WINNING SUPER BOWLS and MVPs. They aren’t that far apart.
How do you consistenly list things that Lamar has to HELP him and then say "all the pressure is on him"? He's got the best defense in the NFL to back him. They get stops and give him the ball back so he doesn't have to score every single time. they give him a margin for error. If he had the 32nd ranked defense then all the pressure would be on him to play perfect, but he has the #1 defense who is more than capable of winning the game on their own. Mahomes has more pressure than Lamar cuz of what he doesn't have.
They saying bc if mahomes loses ppl still go say he the best qb in the league, which is rightfully so. If Lamar loses ppl go say he can’t win without his defense giving a master class. That’s why Lamar has more pressure bc he has more to lose
What gets swept under the rug is Mahomeboy had a head start. He came into the league with a superior team. Lamar had to go through some adversity and finally has the pieces around him. Now we are gonna see what it really is. I hope Lamar and the RAVENS pull this off.
Pat went to 6 afc championships and only won 2 super bowls im confused y they think he can’t be stopped Brady went ten yrs without winning who’s to say pat run won’t stop now