Well, I've just completly given up on counting anything. I used to eat 2g/kg everyday, now I don't really care, sometimes it is maybe 1g/kg or even lower. I haven't noticed any difference. Training is the most important thing, and remember I'm not a bodybuilder and most of you aren't either so all this talking about protein, supplements etc. is just marketing and a waste of time for you. Inroad is the key as Ken Hutchins says. Take this logic as an example. You can lift 80kgs for 5 reps, so the 5th rep is the point where the muscle(s) give up and you cannot complete another rep. You've inroaded the muscle only to the point that at the end of the set the maximum force it can produce is equal or slightly lower than 80kg. Imagine you lift 50kgs for 10 reps, you inroad the muscle so much that the force it can produce at the end of the set is equal or lower than 50kgs. So it is better to use less weight, slower cadence and a strict form provided that you reach definitive failure, and not a sticking point that you suddenly hit, it has to be gradual.
I agree. I used to eat 250g of protein per day. I get around 120g now. No loss of muscle or strength. As long as youre eating enough calories from whole foods youre going to get enough.
This all seems to depend on which researchers you read - it's not cut and dried. Careful metabolic lab studies have proven beyond reasonable doubt that we need a max of around 0.8g per kilo of target body weight for base-level maintenance. At that level, 97.5% of the population will be in protein surplus. I've just seen a Stanford professor claim that intensive muscle building requires at most 20g more per day. Ellington Darden, who worked closely with Arthur Jones for decades, finds that high protein intake does nothing to accelerate hypertrophy, and can actually hinder it. He has trained thousands of clients with HIT while keeping rigorous stats on their muscle growth. Given that excess protein intake strains a number of systems including the kidneys it seems to me that a conservative approach is warranted - especially for the majority of us who are not competitive body-builders or elite athletes.
I didn't do the program, but after 2 workouts last week, I lost 5 lbs and almost no muscle, no water (at least according to my scale). And no cardio except sauna. And I lost the most 2-3 days after my last workout, supporting his other video on the anabolic window being more like 72-96 hrs instead 30 min... Also at my age (almost 50) I have to avoid injuries that keep me out of the gym 2-3 mos at a time. I like that this is an injury-free type of workout especially with acute gout, which is sometimes triggered with heavy power squats.
Human breast milk is only 5% of calories from protein. That's about the same as rice. Protein needs are highly exaggerated. If you're eating enough food to maintain a healthy bodyweight it's almost impossible to not get enough. It's a non issue
Protein from foods are best..if you are insulin resistant..cut protein to 40 grams per meal..Too much protein will be converted into glucose! Always eat protein with fats FIRST, then your carbs. 1 gram per pound of LEAN MUSCLE MASS! The general rule doesn't account for insulin resistance! Too much protein will lead to insulin resistance. Also, you don't need to time protein intake. Pre workout or post workout is irrelevant.
they're 100% correct. and put it this way, if you are lucky enough to gain a single pound of lean muscle in one whole month, a single pound of muscle contains less than 100 grams of protein which therefore means that across 30 days there is just 3 grams of protein per day going towards developing that muscle gain. remember our bodies do in fact recycle protein as well so muscle repair, not just development is easily covered on lower protein diets provided that carbohydrate is the main focus.
I have a family to support and don't earn enough for me to eat that much protein per day. I weigh 295 at 6 ft. My target weight is 240. I am 59 years old. We can't afford to buy a whole lot of meat and I've been working out with weights 44 years. Does anybody have any suggestions?
Sardines, tuna (no more than 3x per week), lots of eggs, whey protein. Try organ meats, they're cheaper and loaded with minerals and vitamins. Beef liver, heart, and mince it together with other meat. Find a local butcher and ask him to save you some leftover organ meat. He will sell it for cents on the dollar because he would have to throw it away. For non-animal sources, I would try oats, chickpeas, beans. Try cutting on sugar, for example a 100g chocolate is $1.5-$2, and that is the basic kind. For $2 you'd get double the amount of pork or chicken.
Chicken is your best bet. Look for boneless cuts by the pound. If you see a yellow sticker and can afford it buy it in bulk and freeze, today I found Chicken thighs for 99 cents a pound so I bought 5 of them. Chicken can be cheap, but it doesn't have enough calories to bulk. But that isn't your issue. Other than chicken, BULK Whey protein is the absolute cheapest way you can get your macros. So if you can't stomach copious amounts of Chicken. Whey protein is the cheapest, Optimum Nutrition is the cheapest I know of, buy the big 10 pound bag and it comes out to 1$ for 24 grams of protein.
@Michael Ford Red meat mainly has a lot of fat, more nutrients, and more calories for my current bulk to 222(classic physique weight for my height). It just makes things easier for me, I buy ground beef, boil it in water and white rice and consume everything down to the broth.
@Michael Ford Yeah pretty much that and a hybrid with the Carnivore diet. I use Rice and occasionally the horizontal foods. But I get my nutrients from Carnivore sources usually. Monster mash is just easier to throw in a crock pot. The only difference is I do a equal ratio of ground beef, and rice. And I don't drain the grease or fat. Getting my money's worth of all those calories so I don't have to eat as much. About 4-6 cups of that a day depending on my diet and I am golden.
you will gain muscle eating even just 60 grams provided you are getting enough calories. the RDA for protein is less than half of that amount. think about how much protein a pound of muscle has (roughly 100 grams) and then divide that by 30 days.. that comes to only 3 grams per day actually going into any new muscle development, that's assuming you are even going to gain a whole pound of muscle in a month.
I’ve taken the safety of the way Jay performs his reps and applied to other science or volume. Still hitting macros and doing 20+ sets per muscle group per week as I have difficulty training to failure. I still do iso metrics and different angles like an old school bodybuilding. I just perform the reps and sets with a greater time under tension like this. Which is what some bodybuilders do anyway. You have to find the method that works for you.
you don't have to train to failure. But the closer you DO train to failure, the more you will recruit high threshold motor units, and create a deeper inroad. Volume is not required to build muscle. You can build muscle doing zero volume (static holds). Volume just eats away at your bodies resources. If you only need one set done at high intensity, why do more?
@@MrDtempest Because I like to. And this information isn’t entirely correct. If you do your research you will understand that you must do what works for YOU. I have a very high work capacity, I can handle a great deal. Not to mention I enjoy it. Reason enough.
@@jordonwade5002 I agree and disagree. The factors that lead to hypertrophy are universal. They apply to everyone. We are all different, but our muscles all work the same and respond to stimuli the same. But you should do what you enjoy, because you'll stick with it. If you don't enjoy high intensity training, then you probably won't stick with it for long. I've been studying and lifting since I was a teenager. I understand the science. Intensity of effort is what creates the necessary stimulus for your muscles to get stronger and bigger. And one set, done with enough intensity is all anyone needs. But if people prefer to do more volume, and they enjoy the volume style... that's their prerogative
Excellent comment on type of protien. Your body has no clue as long as it’s good quality. Kinda like you body has no clue how your working out free weights or Machines it only recognizes intensity
Yeah I worried about this a ton the first few years of working out. Now I found I like many small meals a day and get around 140-240 a day over maybe 10-11 meals of 300-400 calories. Keep putting on muscle and have great energy levels
@@ronburgandy3339 yep. I'm a nurse on a surgical unit so it's very much like a situation of "eat what you can when you can". So I usually end up stuffing down 300-400 at a time when I can.
Jay has talked about this before. He had collaboration videos with Elliot on here somewhere. Do the event training to practice the SKILL. Then use HIT to build the muscle.
Apparently the answer to how much protein you need is yes if one is on the carnivore diet. Just run across it and it's crazy. It seems like people do really well on it surprisingly.
@@instantkarma1229 My wife have been trying it. Since January 9th with a few cheat days that are more like keto. It's been mostly a good experience. Electrolytes probably have been the biggest difficulty but figuring it out. Supplement magnesium and probably not getting enough potassium due to trying to do higher fat.
@@jonathanbohl I don’t do well with the recommended intake of fat which is 70% up to 80% I like it closer to 55-60%, turns my stomach if I eat too much fat. I put pink salt on everything as well plenty of it, plus Every couple of days I carb up / cheat as well with no Bad side effects. I did it mostly for vanity reasons but it made me feel awesome and has all but cured IBS and chronic fatigue/brain fog I don’t feel like I’m falling asleep or in a trance all the time. I did strict for 12 weeks and my abs popped out, I ate two sittings a day as much as I liked towards the end I didn’t even want breakfast and would just eat about 2lb of meat and 8-10 eggs in one sitting I loved it and have done for the last 6 months. Give it a go see if you like it that’s all I’d say, my wife says hell no 😂
@@instantkarma1229 Even when I've been in some of the best shape of my life I've never been able to have abs even when I have a slim stomach. It would be nice if those pop out for me too.
Hey Jay, totally agree if a person doesn't have any underlying metabolic conditions..if one is prediabetic or diabetic then protein intake must be reduced. Why? More protein intake gets converted into glucose and this is unhealthy in the aforementioned conditions..whey protein usually comes with low fats and chemical flavorings. Whole eggs, animal protein is highly preferred. Protein + fats = optimal uptake. Great video...May I suggest a video where people can get nutrition information related to metabolic conditions? This would help a lot of people in my opinion. For reference, Jason Fung and Dr. Berg have a lot of videos on this matter. For example : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ATAhqZ7yulo.html
