How "Not Tomorrow Yet" Made Rick's Group The Villains 

something about this episode that not many people noticed is how at the church scene when rick says “we’ll kill them all” the camera then cuts to tara rolling her eyes, it comes full circle since last time she heard that exact phrase it was coming from the governor.

So sad to see glenn go, he never wanted to kill anyone. His first kill literally traumatized him

It's so wild when Season 11 Negan tells Maggie how he would've killed them all in the line up instead of showing them mercy with just the 2 kills. Especially when he says how the Saviors here at the outpost had families (like Gracie) and you look back on this episode realizing that the group really did get off easy in comparison. It was just more brutal for us bc this is OUR group so losing Glenn and Abraham was more traumatic than seeing a bunch of nameless Saviors killed. I especially love how this episode really gave us Glenn's first kill (which in itself is crazy after 6 whole seasons) on top of Heath's and Gabriel's firsts too. Easily a top tier episode for sure 👌🏽

1:19 Rick is right though. We all know The Saviors would have tried to do the same to Alexandria as they had done to Hilltop and The Kingdom.

6B is criminally underrated, the shift in story and build up to the saviors was really well done imo

Carols character has come such a long way it’s rlly crazy

Me personally I think Aaron's line of " if it wasn't us, it would have been you" is a reference to the Wolves earlier in the season because the only if not main reason why the Wolves attacked Alexandria was because of Aaron's pictures. If not for that there is a chance the Wolves would have gone for the savior's outpost instead

Yeah this is the episode that reminds us we're not following good guys in this story, we're following survivors.

Morally wrong but unintentionally good in terms of strategy. This oversight caused Negan to underestimate our crew. He thought killing a few people would keep them in line. He didn't understand what they'd been through. Evident when he watched Deanna's video of feral Rick and said "I'd like to meet THAT guy." Rick was still that guy and Negan would soon realize it. Makes me think back to the cannibals saying our group had never known what it was like to be hungry. They seemed to be rationing before finding the prison. Lesson is don't make assumptions based on your first meeting.

Honestly. Rick and his group did the right think killing those saviors at the outpost, where rick and his group fucked up was that they got really complacent and shouldve assumed that there were more outposts and stayed prepared especially knowing how massive and organized the saviors were.

I like how Rick said kill them all just like the governor said and it zooms on Tera face because she knows he starting to turning into the governor.

Its crazy that Negan punishing them for this may have actually kept them from becoming even more terrible people. Like this was the worst thing they’d ever done and it was quickly followed by punishment. Making them act with compassion moving forward. Just crazy how they got so close to becoming “evil” and the universe of the show punished them for it. Just a great bit of organic storytelling

Morales was really the first person (besides finding Garcia) to make Rick realize what he has become. His face when Morales says officer friendly died somewhere along with his family is a face of pure realization.

I’ve never viewed what they did as villainous, I mean it was a ruthless plan & killing people while defensively sleeping was pretty cold but look who they attacked, a group that killed at 16 year old kid for not delivering supplies, that outpost got better then they deserved.

This episode always had me conflicted especially after it first aired. I still feel like it’s what had to be done. They had to make the first move grant it wasn’t by any means morally right but it’s the world they live in. Once we got a glimpse of the wall with the pictures of all the smashed in heads it helped me feel okay with the decision Rick made.

I still 110% agree with Ricks intentions here. Saviors would have came knocking one day and War was inevitable. The only problem I have with Ricks offense is his execution. If you're going to kill em all. Then you actually are going to have to kill them all lol if you can't then don't even bother. But they were to ignorant which was there biggest downfall. Offense is great in a apocalyptic situation like there's. But there strategy and plan was awful. You need to be smart enough to know you have the power do what Rick and company wanted to do. But little did they know they were not as powerful as they thought. There was someone bigger and badder out there.

I can see where Rick was coming from despite his actions, he and the group have been threatened so many times by different communities and imagine being in his position where people are relying on you and you have to try and protect everyone.

In hindsight, the same thing would have happened to Alexandria whether it attacked the Saviors first or not. The whole point of the show all along was that you can do terrible things and still be a good person. It's not what you do but why you do it and what the alternative seems to be at the time.

"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. "

I completely understand what Ricks thinking was because a good portion of the groups they had met before the saviors had used force to take what they had, try to kill them, and betrayed their trust and tried to kill them so Rick sensing a new threat didn’t want to try reasoning with them because that rarely worked in the past.

They Saviors were still far more ruthless and wonton killers than Rick and his group, so I don't think this episode necessarily makes them killers as they were doing what they thought would stop the Saviors from coming and killing them off.

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The reason I never saw "The Group" as bad guys or villains is that they never killed innocent people. Sure RIck went like "we'll take Alexandria if needed" but I don't think he meant "we'll kill everyone and keep the town". Even if the saviors saw them as the bad guys, they were the ones who were tormenting and forcing tribute from other communities so I do believe that the "The Group" trying to wipe them out wasn't a moraly dubious move.

I love these walking dead videos! You put so much quality and thought with what you’re saying. The walking dead is my favorite show and I’m glad someone like you can put out top tier content.

What I don’t like is that Negan’s group started everything! If any1 remembers Negan’s motorcycle group came at ricks group first when Daryl, Sasha and Abraham where in the truck during No Way Out…. I wonder y they never brought it up to begin with…? Would it be different if negan found out they came at ricks group first?

This episode was one of the best changes the show ever made to the source material. It really made you question the morality of the protagonists, pretty much for the first time in the show. I wish there was more of it, too often we're just expected to root for Rick or Daryl because they are cool or the good guys

Love the video and this is one of my favorite subjects: Was Rick's group bad? Personally, I say their descent started with the death of Dale who was the moral compass and likewise with the killing of Shane whose behavior was somewhat of a mirror showing them what they might become and therefore, due to the loss of both, stopped holding back. One note about the video, I wouldn't say Carol tried to stop Maggie from going in because she wanted her to be different. It was clear on several occasions that she did not want her on the mission because she was pregnant. Plain and simple. She wasn't at all worried about Maggie killing as she had already done it along with Carol plenty of times, not to mention Carol wasn't worried about anyone else in the group "being different". That.... just doesn't add up.

I agree totally this episode Swiftly showed the turn for the worse they slowly started to see the consequences for their actions leading up to the gruesome death of Glenn and Abraham But we’re forgetting they loss Denise in the process which then lead to Daryl getting captured which then lead to Glenn getting captured and a few others which was just crazy considering Glenn’s last thing he said to Daryl was “It’s gonna go bad out here let’s go back home”

God, I wanna watch the whole show again

Just thought I should mention how much I love this channel and the walking dead videos especially. Brightens my day every time I see a new upload.

I can't believe father Gabriel went from not killing a single walker to killing the saviours

It always bothered me how Rick and company approached the Saviors by believing they were just a few people based on limited intel given by the Hilltop. If they had done some actual recognizance they would have noticed people coming and going to the Sancturary. Also the hilltop failed to include things like Carsons brother and that the Kingdom also served the saviors.

The symbology of Rick giving the speech convincing himself and the others to kill the saviors, while standing in front of a stained class window with a cross on it…..

This and Rick going against his word in season 8, made rick the bad guy. I really hated that they made glenn kill someone. I was hoping he wouldn't, but when he did and saw the pictures, I knew his fate was sealed

Weird that I haven't watched TWD in years but still tune in for every one of your uploads, keep up the quality content!

Love video man and the use of the dead of the night round changing sound keep up the good work!👏🏻

The part where you were talking about Glenn taking a life was chilling. Those pictures; I had no idea he was looking at what would be his own demise.

Awesome that this is your favorite episode. It’s probably in my top 10. Extremely underrated.

I would love if you made a vid on Morgan's episode in season 6, here's not here. I think that is a seriously underated episode that shows Morgan's character development as a whole

I feel the shift of the show in this episode. Your review is good and I now understand it better. Thank you 😊

Feels like I seen or heard this from u already. But I'll hear it again cause your narration is great! Lol

Your TWD analysis is amazing, love your channel. Keep it up

great video. made me appreciate this show even more

Love watching your Vids! Thank you for makin' em!

I never saw Rick’s group as the villains. The saviors already tried to kill Sasha and Aberham on the road and was going to make Dixon drive them back to their home to then force them into slavery. Not all the saviors where bad but if it weren’t for the people they forced into slavery they wouldn’t have what they had. Daryl and Maggie were the ones to suggest killing the saviors in exchange for food. And Glenn seeing all those pictures of smashed in heads? Wth! They took joy in violence and punishing people to do that they want. What I always thought Rick’s group did wrong was they all got way to cocky.

I am so happy you brought this episode up & I hope you bring the episode where Rick & Morgan slaughter the ex-saviors after lying to them about bringing them back & taking them in

Yo this really was an interesting episode. There was a different feeling to watching them go in and take charge. The episodes that followed is what solidified the feeling that they’re paying for what they did and I didn’t want to admit it at the time 😭

Bro those cookies that carol makes look SOOO BUSSIN I personally would pay a fortune for them

I agree this is my favourite episode as it focus is all on what it takes to survive. Before we had walkers as the main threat with different groups but this one stripped them all back to remind us that the people are the true monsters. The saviours sure were attacked and all but they weren't good guys at all. This was a group who faced others to do there bidding, kept photo of smashed heads and used the limited resources to grow drugs. They were always going to find Rick and this was the first time they knew the threat was coming and choose to do something about it. That is surviving in this world now and why I love it.

Saw this episode back in the day, never really thought about it as I just saw it as another episode out of many, but the head caving photos is creepy foreshadowing which went over my head and it later results in Negan really striking back in revenge, possibly the first real conflict between the two groups which could've been avoided if they went about it another way?

Imagine being Glenn's first kill. Not the being killed part, but your roommate being some psycho that hangs up all those polaroids of bashed heads above their bed and you have to sleep next to that.

This episode actually just proves shane is right. In this world "If y'all wanna live, if y'all wanna survive, you gotta fight for it!” “The right choice is the one that keeps us alive" There is no good. There is no bad. Everyone is good. Everyone is bad. So none of it matters. All that matters is "are you alive"

"We've seen Rick kill before but it's always been in a dire situation that had no other choice." The handcuffed cop Rick ran over with his own car and then shot dead: What am I, chopped liver?

Rick is the MAN!!!!!! The show ain’t the same without him,he’s interesting & so damn badass at the same time.he’s a beast

In spirit of Carol, I'm gonna learn how to gather the raw ingredients for cookies incase the apocalypse ever happens. I know how to make them from scratch, I just need to know how to grow/ produce the ingredients from scratch

This may have been the most bearded walkers we have seen on the show and they came all in one episode lol. A little bit silly, but an otherwise excellent episode. Season six was so incredible.

I loved this.. Analysis of the episode. I wouldn't say this is one of my favorites, but what I love is the consistency of the writers in comparison to my favorite "Judge, Jury, Executioner." The two epiaodes echo each well. Dale becomes terrified that the group is losing their morality.. he begs everyone in the group to vote to save the life of Randall, a boy running with another group. Rick's group saves when he's abandoned by his own group, worried he'll eventually run back to his friends and reveal their location. During a vote on the situation, Rick, Shane, and the group vote to kill him. Dale is horrified by this and accuses the group of losing their humanity.. almost immediately after this scene, Dale is jumped by a walker and killed. His death represents the groups loss of humanity.. In this episode, Glenn reminding the audience that he hasn't killed anyone, makes him a representative of innocence. Though he lives longer than Dale, to allow as you put it to show the aftermath of that, he doesn't have to live without his innocence very long. These episodes are peak writing. The writers know what they are doing, and it makes for some epic television!

Great analysis!

What I love so much about TWD (and especially this episode) that it presents the viewer with the reality of the human condition. There is good and bad in all of us, but most lean towards one or the other. Stressful situations and/or trauma can often lead to a temporary or even permanent switch to 'the other side' of morality. When watching TWD I often asked myself how I would have reacted in the situations depicted, and I simply was not able to come up with a clear answer. Ignoring the extremes, there is not really a 'good' or a 'bad' person.

Being the villain has consequences. The consequences here being Rick brought unnecessary pain to his people before it shouldve happened. We lost Abe and Glenn early because of Rick's lack of forethought in this episode. However, I think it brought good in the end. Because of this experienced, Rick toughened up a helluva lot and learned so much. Yes, it had a price, but it was worth it in the end.

I wouldn't go so far as to say this is the episode that they became villains just that it's the episode where Shane was proven right ( to a certain degree). While we can make the argument that Negan had a point about the Saviors at the out post having friends and family, none of that would've happened if Negan wasn't a vicious tyrannical bandit. It's not like the group came up on another survival group and attacked without rhyme or reason, Hilltop and the Kingdom described how the saviors operates and Rick decided to go on the offense. There wouldn't have been any negotiations because negan doesn't negotiate, had Rick's group went on the defense and waited till the Saviors attacked, the outcome would've still been the same except more people would've died during Negan's assault and both Glenn and Abraham would still be made examples off.

I always wonder how things might have turned out if Dwight and Sherry had decided to go back to Alexandria with Daryl, Sasha and Abraham in the first place. Dwight, Sherry and her doomed sister Tina are perfect examples of what Negan does to break people.

My favorites are "too far gone" "what happened and what's going on" where tyreece dies the season 8 finale & a few others like ricks last episode & the season 7 premier plus the one where Rick keeps his promise with the red machete

Great video as usual

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if it was a series about the saviors, watching them all die to ricks group would be heartbreaking af.

Do a video on Daryl's relationships with Beth and Carol I just rewatched 4x12 and its honestly interesting when Daryl removes his cold facade and becomes emotional

Yo new the the channel love the content bro keep it up 👍

Somewhere in the zombie hereafter Shanes saying "knew Rick had it in him"

Have you done a video on "what if Rick didn't attack the compound?" Or anything along those lines? That'd be cool, I love these videos keep it up

Oh man can't wait to watch this episode I'm on season six for this month next is season seven.

I wouldn’t say they were villains. It pushed the show into the many gray areas that only Rick and a few others always had to handle.

Rick and his group have always been the good guys. Doing anything necessary to protect your family and loved ones isn’t evil or bad. Instead he should be praised for how valiantly he defended his family and group. And it was the right call to raid that compound. Strike first before they know who you are.

Been seeing a lot of breaking bad and walking dead on yt lately got me thinking of all the negotiations saul Goodman could've managed in this universe 😂

An excellent episode, every aspect is amazing, great character moments, really great action, and it creates conflict regarding how moral was what the did. Also when rick said: kill them all, just like the governor said during Too far gone, even tara reacts to that, it's magnific. Not my favourite episode, but top 20 easily.

One of the most underrated episodes and seasons in the show easily

Rick finally came to his senses, but wasn't thinking big-picture. You always do reconnaissance, they really didn't do that; and they about got themselves wiped out. Shane might have been coarse, irritating at times, and callus; but he wouldn't have lost the prison so easily, and he wouldn't have gone into the radio station without looking around. Rick keeps thinking about Shane, not only because he feels guilty about killing him, but he also realizes that Shane was right. The "Saviors" were bad news, and needed dealt with, Rick just went ahead without doing any real research.

In the apocalypse there really is no good guys or bad guys it all comes down to survival

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Nah. They knew the group was going to cause problems for their group, so they had to take them out. They had a reason to go in there and take those people out, they didn't just do it for nothing

Would be cool to have an episode of Tales of TWD about someone from the satelite, or about everyone from there wouldf be cool to look into the lives of people who were killed by the group. And maybe show that there were some good people idk

“Four walls and a roof” is also a inflection point episode. Yes, they were being hunted by Garret’s group but the vicious killing of them was a big turn.

This outpost needed to go. Honestly they have pictures of people with their heads bashed in hung up on the wall they sleep by 🤦🏾‍♂️ yes it’s wrong to kill but when u have psychopaths like them walking around you have to kill them. The saviors don’t have morals or human feelings anymore. That’s what the show tried to portray for the saviors. Ricks group was always the good guys cuz they actually regret taking lives and get traumatized because of it. Just look at Rick everytime he takes a life his face shows it all

How proudly they decorated their rooms with the photos of the people who got their craniums bashed in, made this completely justified to me.

For me I don't think it was a way for Rick and Co to be villains, but rather a tactic to survive. Negan and the saviors attacked Hill top and Rick was concerned that Negan would also attack Alexandrier in the same way. Maybe Daryl and Glenn could have gone to the saviors hideout and spied on them to see what they were up to to be prepared instead, being as they were both stealthy.

Who knew skinny jeans would be so popular at the end of the world.haha

Might be an unpopular opinion but I thought this episode was when the show started to really go off the rails. Killing off so many saviors before Negan was even introduced did not set them up as formidable villains from a story perspective. It also wasn’t believable that the Alexandria/hilltop groups would continue to follow a leader like Rick after so many mistakes that inadvertently started a full on war just because he heard another group happened to exist in the area.

For me the whole Alexandria arc up until "the lineup" it felt as though Rick was going through this ego power trip that was quite unlikable...and it seriously bit him in the ass when Negan arrived. With Abraham and Glenn he was brought back to reality and after Carl and saving Negan he changed his way completely with humility .

I actually live 3 minutes from the location of the satellite building, it’s an abandoned clinic here in Newnan GA

As others have pointed out the saviors were already demanding tribute from the other settlements and most definitely were going to do the same with Alexandria. They even had the road encounter as the intro to the saviors. That said I don’t think it was the wrong decision at all aside from the fact they made the mistake in thinking that was the entirety of the saviors and couldn’t foresee the potential blowback of it before the operation was completed

Why couldn't Rick just let the saviors rape, pillage, steal and kill in peace 😭

dude, just heard that boss hog is really the good guy. we like to root for villains, fight club anyone ?

Great vid

damn i really just noticed that after killing glenn pushes heaths hand from killing his first person and just looks at him like “nahhh u don’t wanna do that brodie” 😂

Glenn's trigger discipline at 0:22 lol 😆

After watching the series again this episode hits different. They should’ve never attacked the post it made me look at the group different. They were comfortable and always winning and boom they got humbled quick

Underrated episode

I think the moment rick realized he wasn't the good guy anymore was that episode that he and daryl are at the other outpost and he kills gracies dad thinking that the dad was actually keeping him from the weapons... and then he runs into morales. Fuck that was brutal.

I don’t think this made them the bad guys. Their first interaction with the Saviors was hostile and Sasha, Abraham, and Daryl had to kill them in self-defense. They also learn from Jesus and hill-too that the Saviors enslave other groups and kill innocents. If the Saviors found Alexandria they would undoubtedly kill them in droves, force them to pay tribute, and enslave them. This attack was a way to get an edge over the Saviors because conflict with them was inevitable. Waiting around to be discovered by Negan’s men would’ve been way worse than attacking them first. Their behavior with other communities proves that they cannot simply “be talked to” like Morgan was suggesting

Using arsonist lullaby for the walk out song was an amazing choice cause the song speaks about being a harbinger of chaos and bad without even realizing it at least from my personal opinion of the song