How One Card Broke the Game

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In today's video we go back to the beginning of Pokemon TCG history with Slowking from Neo Genesis.
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@pokepop4163 5 месяцев назад

They should have errata'd it to what the Japanese text was

@orsonzedd 4 месяца назад

It's my understanding the intentionally never even attempted to. I think it was a way to try to get players to invest in magic

@pokepop4163 4 месяца назад

@@orsonzeddthat was certainly one popular theory. They did get rid of Masters for that reason.

@fawfulmark2 4 месяца назад

It definitely was a weird circumstance, that's for sure. Especially since ther were at least 2 times before where they did issue Erratas to cards with mistranslations(Blaine's Charizard and Rocket's Minefield Gym) to be like the original counterparts.

@MewtwoStruckBack 5 месяцев назад

I played with it, I played against it. It was hell, but I still miss those times (and Igglybuff negating Slowking.)

@aschlamishowsup 4 месяца назад

4 benched igglys mean mugging 4 benched slowkings. What a sight

@Nexit1337 4 месяца назад

and still to this day, 20 years later, wizard of the coast is committing "the stupid" to it's cardbase players

@atmosdwagon4656 4 месяца назад

Ah, but whose "the stupid" is it really when people keep pumping money into fundamentally broken games despite knowing better? The creators making millions or the gullible rubes still buying the stuff? I mean, that's basically been Konami's entire business model for well over a decade now. I don't exaggerate or speculate when I say that the YuGiOh competitive scene has been a one deck format in the not so distant past. (might still be, but I stopped bothering after seeing a major tournament last year where over 90% of the players were running the Tearlements deck. That's 90% of a tournament with the better part of 1000 entrants.)

@jonathanroyce1123 4 месяца назад

@@atmosdwagon4656 continuing on about Yugioh, it was followed by a second one deck format, but then Konami started working on cleaning things up. right now there are a couple top decks, but a wide variety of other decks have a shot. case in point: a Blue-Eyes player made top 16 at a regional in Bolivia recently.

@amberhernandez 4 месяца назад

When your CEO needs to read out the definition of your card game on Wikipedia, you _know_ you're in good hands! ;)

@skybattler2624 4 месяца назад

This is like removing the 'Once per turn' clause in YuGiOh due to mistranslation

@godknightomega 4 месяца назад

With how out of hand Yu-Gi-Oh has gotten any monster that doesn't have a "once per turn" clause can easily break that TCG.

@markfuston2714 4 месяца назад

I still remember when they screwed up Ocean Dragon Lord and forgot to put the part where he had to be brought out by sacrificing Leviadragon, completely breaking the card..lol, it's wild to me that a company would screw up like this and not fix it.

@TsukentoX 5 месяцев назад

I could have sworn Sneasel got banned before Slowking did. I remember Slowking's ban happened only just before the e-Series cards were releasing here.

@alexwilson5256 5 месяцев назад

Sneasel was banned first, but celio didn't state that slowking was banned first in the video. The wording is odd, but guessing it's just due to the video specifically being about slowking

@TsukentoX 5 месяцев назад

@@alexwilson5256 I guess so. It's just so weird how WotC ended up prioritizing the bans, where Sneasel happened roughly around Neo Discovery's release, while Slowking's happened around the time WotC was going to lose the license soon, which was after Neo Destiny.

@fawfulmark2 4 месяца назад

he stated no card got Banned in the Standard Era of WotC (which be Base-Neo Format). The first Modified Format/Set Rotation for the game(aka Rocket-On) had Sneasel be the first card to go, with Slowking following about a year later. Alsdo while there were no Bans in the Standard Era, there were at least 2 cards considered Illegal for Standard at the time(Birthday Pikachu and Ancient Mew) which were essentially bans anyway.

@My1xT 4 месяца назад

little extra about Ace Spec (1:36) you arent just one per deck on Computer Search but you are also locked out of any other ace spec cards as you can only have any 1 ace spec in total in your deck

@DKQuagmire 5 месяцев назад

I played Slowking just to get an achievement with Unowns, on TCG ONE. The thing is though, on TCG ONE, Slowking uses the japanese rules. however luckily for me, not many players knew this when i was matched against them, and would moan that i'm using a banned card, and leave the match. even though the ingame chat log, would clearly state that the Slowking is using the Japanese rules. Neo Genesis Sneasel is still banned in Career formats though, but not banned in unlimited

@Crunchy_Troll 4 месяца назад

This was the closest Pokemon got to being yugioh with oppressive game play

@markfuston2714 4 месяца назад

Crazy to me that a company would do that and not errata the card after coming from a game like Yugioh..lol, I remember a few situations like this and the card always got errata'd. I understand it complicates things, but if you're playing at tournament level it shouldn't be hard to have the "proper" version of the card available for everyone to see.

@lifequality 4 месяца назад

Come on man. Really? I played yugioh for 20 years and even competed at the highest level. And I have never met a person saying erratas are a good thing. Most people prefer cards staying banned instead of coming off as some soft version that no one is playing. CED, Firewall dragon, etc.. there are a lot of examples. And to be fair; I love the yugioh IP to death. However I feel that Yugioh and PTCG are evolving asymmetrical to each other. While yugioh was good up to one point and now is becoming an alienated version of itself, Pokemon was not great as a competitive game first, but slowly changed into a much more playable and interactive (although with limits due to its gaming structure) version of itself.

@markfuston2714 4 месяца назад

You're talking to someone that played Chaos in the height, I Yata locked so many people, I was a terror in my High School...lol, but you misunderstand. I mean errata as in fixing misprinted cards, like when Slate Warrior or Neo Daedalus were screwed up in translation, not where they completely neuter a card like Chaos Emperor Dragon or Sangan or DMoC or Catapult Turtle or one of the many others they killed@@lifequality

@Rofellos89 4 месяца назад

I don’t doubt that slowking was a pest. But it ended up banned. ADP however…made 1 prize decks entirely impossible to play.

@bkebradley 4 месяца назад

I loved Base through Fossil, I still consider it the most fun era of the TCG ever. Rocket ruined everything and I never got into the TCG as much after that unfortunately

@danielgloyd4529 3 месяца назад

I never really got too into the card game. I think the last I played was when the gym leader sets came out. People I knew collected the cards, but nobody I knew actually played the game. Had a few games against some kids in school at recess and lunch. Nobody knew any meta strategies or anything. I always made sure to use trainers for searching and drawing. Lass was always part of a combo I used. The main goal was to get blastoise out. Sometimes, I even used the pokemon breeder card. Play all my draw and search cards (bill, prof oak, computer search, etc.). Hopefully getting 5 water energies on Blastoise and something on the bench as backup by the time my searches and draws ran out. Then, when I finished finding whatever I wanted, I played Lass to get rid of any of my opponent's trainers, so they were less likely to be able to set up or have any counter play on their next turn.

@wotwathorigl5446 4 месяца назад

great video!!!!!! nice to watch i love it

@nicholasfarrell5981 4 месяца назад

1:52 - I kinda love how the trio of OP Trainer cards that you keep putting up on-screen just doesn't include Energy Removal, the most absurd card played at the time.

@esperhunter7263 4 месяца назад

He talked about energy removal around minute 1

@booyah344 4 месяца назад

But what does Pot of Bill do?

@CTHD13 4 месяца назад

Bill of Greed

@hamsandwich6685 4 месяца назад

Bill's pot...

@vinylthedeadqueen 2 месяца назад

we be smokin that bill's pot, got me feeling greed

@DongBags9319 4 месяца назад

Remember in the early 2000s, we'd take our Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh cards to school all the time and use rubber bands or our sisters hairbands to wrap around our decks, or is that just me?

@juter1122 4 месяца назад

A Cruel Slowking's Thesis

@beelor5777 4 месяца назад

I would agree but this was the wild west of pokemon where anything goes. Stormfront Sableye was more broken imo. They had rules and fixes to the game to make it fair for both players, yet Sableye said nope what rules?

@peteface24 4 месяца назад

What is it about the Sneasel card that makes it ban-worthy?

@taylorsmith984 4 месяца назад

It was more Sneasel in combination with darkness energy than just Sneasel itself, although Sneasel was pretty ridiculous. Each Darkness energy increased the damage of an attack by 10, and Beat Up, requiring 2 Darkness by default, would do 40 damage per head at minimum (+10 from each darkness). If you had a full 6 Pokemon out, Sneasel was able to do a potential max of 240 damage each turn. 3 Heads would have been enough to KO just about anything that wasn't a Steelix with multiple Steel energy attached to it. Base 60HP with no weakness on Sneasel also made it near impossible to knock out off of just 1 energy (ironically, unless you had your own Sneasel with a Darkness Eneregy and got very lucky on a 3-heads Fury Swipes). Keep in mind, that the average damage for a 1-energy move was around 20 damage, and most Pokemon with these moves weren't super strong. Sneasel's 0 retreat cost also meant your opponent could just swap it out for something else until they could re-establish control if they ever felt threatened. Fighting Sneasel was almost always a losing battle, and your opponent could take 2-3 prizes cards before the 1 you'd get for knocking the Sneasel out if they could get the 2 Darkness energy on it.

@nicholasfarrell5981 4 месяца назад

@taylorsmith984 also, Energy Removal and Super Energy Removal were no longer legal at that point. So you actually had to knock Sneasel out to get rid of the Darkness Energies (I remember that point specifically being mentioned in the ban announcement, back when Fossil Pokémon walked the Earth for the first time around).

@jamie5341 4 месяца назад

@Taylorsmith984 No, it would max out at 140. You flip 20 for each heads, a max of 6 flips = 120. The 2 darkness energy +10s are added after the flips, they dont increase they amount per flip. So it would do a max of 140, and statiscally averages 80 a turn with a full bench

@Sigmanumerouno 4 месяца назад

Heh, eva unit-slowbro

@bradywolfe362 3 месяца назад

No matter how many coins you flip, its still 50% chance. Probabilities are weird

@fallendeus5641 3 месяца назад

Their first mistake was outsourcing to wotc and giving them free reign. Wotc can't even errata their own products properly also i do have to say that tournaments not making cards function as they are originally printed is stupid.

@Nick_Pixels 4 месяца назад

Phenomenal video. I wish I could show this video to my genwunner coworkers who cry about newer cards being broken because "big number = powercreep" when they don't realize the game was utter dogshit and completely oppressive back in the WOTC days, even if the numbers were considerably smaller lmao. But alas, the power of the lens of nostalgia and their only play experience being school playgrounds is too strong to argue against lol

@orsonzedd 4 месяца назад

The reason they wouldn't correct hard was actually malicious. Whether it was intentional they refused to to goad players into mtg.

@DabbleDo 4 месяца назад

ADP is my most hated tho

@SerialDesignationM3094 4 месяца назад

You forgot about Durant.

@makothx2 4 месяца назад

All the top WOTC canada ranked tournament players played in my town at my local card shop for some reason.. Lass was not ever played, that was the 25 cent rare you prayed to never pull. I never saw rocket sneak attack in play. haymaker trio, promo mewtwo, raindance were the common decks. dont remember wigglytuff. slowking was a killer deck for sure when it came around. rocket zapdos.. golden berry, metal energy were good. The only actual card i collected cause i knew it may be worth something other then charizard (which is/was a terrible card for competitive) in the future is a 1st edition slowking i have sitting in a binder somewhere.

@RSanchez111 5 месяцев назад

Coming from yugioh I keep wanting negates in pokemon tcg, but slowking is too much. It would be too much even in yugioh!

@advente_ 5 месяцев назад

There is one card called Power Spray from the platinum expansion that’s very similar to a hand trap. It was very strong, and is the only card printed that can be played on your opponent’s turn.

@RSanchez111 5 месяцев назад

@@advente_ that's amazing, I think I would love more cards like that! I also looked at Alakazam from Mysterious Treasures. It needs more set up and has a steeper cost but I think that's fine, I would love more negates.

@popo237 5 месяцев назад

nope, that would ruin the game

@e7193 4 месяца назад

that thumbnail needs a little more time in the oven 😂😂

@CeliosNetwork 4 месяца назад

Seems to be doing fine 🤠

@johnxscar 4 месяца назад

old game was better i used to wreck ppl with alakazam damage swap to chanseys on the bench and then pokemon center all the damage away.

@goozilla123 4 месяца назад

Gonna have to correct you on wotc not wanting to ban; that is entirely on the pokemon company. Wotc had no say in it.

@CeliosNetwork 4 месяца назад

To my knowledge and extensive research on the subject I have concluded that it was WoTC’s choice. If you have any literature or interviews that prove otherwise I would be very interested in seeing.

@sugar3557 5 месяцев назад

burts tcg just made a video almost exactly double the length of yours with some word for word bar for bar exact speech. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

@CeliosNetwork 5 месяцев назад

He stole my script! (Sarcasm)

@Lawreles 3 месяца назад

Irrelevant to the topic of the video, but I've just had 4 adverts, each 30 secs unskippable, in a 9 min video. That's about 1 every 2 mins. I don't know whether that's you being greedy with your advert placement or whether it's Google putting them in, but for Christ's sake.. Still not giving in and buying premium.

@aa-tx7th 4 месяца назад

draw opening. abra active slot. 1 abra bench. 1 chansey bench. computer search discarding two psychic energy fish for in order of need 1. alakazam 2. breeder 3. oak 4. mr mime 5. promo mewtwo say i got an alakazam and need a breeder pass turn 2 breeder the alakazam i win. my deck is full of bills oaks chanseys mr mimes pokemon centers scoop ups and promo mewtwos ive locked down the game and even 4 hitmonchans smashing my chanseys for 80 every turn (as if you wont actually be eating lethal, to hitmonchan, psyburns on turn 2 or hitting mr mimes barrier power for 0 damage 🙄) arent gonna get you anywhere near anything even resembling a chance in hell. the beatdown decks werw for the 12 year olds i had an alakazam control as my #1 and i never lost a match against anything but another alakazam control in at least 2 years of tourney play WELL into neo genesis if i remmeber correctly. alakazam control was literally invincible turn 2