- Actually, it does. Larger armies can suffer defeats without entierly collapsing. Smaller armies have a harder time occupying places and garrisoning towns and forts. Smaller armies have a harder time fighting on multiple fronts.
With the patches of the last centuries to army technology you can put tech points into logistics and you won't get climate penalties, it cost more though Also the before mentioned climate change patch to all climates, it has been nerfed, but agricultural products have received a sun damage penalty and although no big war has occurred that can prove it, it probably will make big campaigns like invading Russia more costly
To say that Gustavus Adolphus refined infatry tactics is a serious understatement. He's the man who invented the foundations of how infantry would be used for a couple of centuries to come. As for Carolus Rex, he was a genius too, but overambitious. He should have taken up on Russias offer for peace.
@@tex4096 he didn't want to control it, he just wanted a better deal, he wanted to take more land from the russians, not take all of russia. that being said he should have taken the peace deal.
Charles was hardly a genius. Peter offered him peace and would give up all of his gains prior to the 1708 invasion had he'd just been given saint Petersburg and the land surrounding it. I understand Charles knew nothing but victory at that point, but he should've consolidated his gains and finished absorbing poland into his sphere of influence. He also didn't prepare for the great frost despite being swedish and living in one of the coldest countries on the planet.
Karl XII probably wasnt a Genius, but he was very rebellious and ambitious on his glorious Warlike Dreams. I think what made him interesting or seen as a genius, was his mistrust towards nobles at the court. Charles Father spent his life ridding Sweden from the corruption that the Nobles celebrated before him, so naturally his son would also inherit his fathers mistrust to the court. His father on the otherhand was the one who made Sweden strong and gave his son a chance to use it to defend Sweden. Alas Charles wanted more than just to defend his homeland.
charles was a tactical genius in league with alexander in napoleon, self evident from narva, holowcsyn, the crossing at duna, and countless other impossible victories. let's also not forget the fact that russia "just keeping petersburg" would mean splitting the swedish empire even further (into 4 parts), not sustainable at all. plus you've just allowed your main rival into the baltic sea which would greatly, and I mean greatly, hamper your income and improve theirs. it was 1707, or never, when it comes to sweden v russia.
Fun fact: Christian II of Denmark is called Christian the Tyrant in swedish history books (which is what I learnt in school) but in denmark and their history books he is called "Christian the good one"
Stefan no, although the American supplies and weapons did help, you have to keep in mind that at its peak, the Russians were able to even out produce the Americans. In tanks alone, the Russians had produced twice as many t-34 tanks than the American m4 Shermans.
Thanks to finnish people. Sweden is big penis, and Finland is balls. But big penis is useless without balls. Now Sweden just swinging big penis and nothing happening, you know 💁 You see how everything ia going like shit i Sweden today. "Refugees" and USE (eu) raping Sweden.
Seen it in real life... and it was fucking bound to sink. The water level only covered 2/5 of the height of the ship. It was WAY to tall and the water level was too low and the center of gravity was way up, a simple gust of wind made it tilt sideways.
That is a common misconception! It was actually not the weight of the cannons, but rather the weight of the decks. They made them extra thick because they feared having so many cannons would break the deck floor. Calculations have been made of this and if they didn’t make all the decks extra thick the ship would be fine and would not sit too low in the water. Side wind would also not be a problem if they built Vasa’s decks with a normal deck thickness. So the reason it sank was not the ship being too tall, or having too many cannons. It was because the decks were too thick, making the ship sit way too low in the water and making it unstable (top heavy). I know this because I work with the museum and the wonderful team of people that preserves/maintains the ship. I hope you don’t take my reply in a bad way, I just wanted to shed some light on this misconception! Have a wonderful day :)
I know it's a joke and all that, but I don't think it's a fair comparison. First of, Sweden had won many wars against Russia prior to the attack, and had been very succesfull. Second of all, Napoleon actually won over Russia at first, but failed the second time. Third of, it was hardly the winter who ultimetly stopped the germans, but the russian war insustry. Also, the germans crushed the russians in the first world war. Thirdly, the US has already won over russia in the cold war.
What I wrote was a joke, but if I'd be realistic it was like this: sweden handled the winter but didnt have the manpower when Russia used their true force. Napoleon lost almost half his army and supplies before he reached Moscow, so the winter clearly defeated the french army. The Germans handled the winter quite good I think, but they couldnt beat the russian mass-production of trash tanks. But it was still hard to win for the nazis due to the winter
Actually it was autumn who stopped the Germans. The rainy season that happened during the fall of 1941 had bogged down much of the german army, slowing their advance to Moscow. It wasn’t until winter actually, when the german offensive started to move again, but by that time it was already too late with stalin already starting to reform his command and with Moscow completely fortified. Although, the thing is that it wasn’t the weather that actually beat the Germans but rather the Russian industry.
Should've included the conquest of Skåne Halland Blekinge more prominently. Simply for how it was done. He marched from Poland in an ongoing war to claim Copenhagen and force Denmark to hand that land over.
no one can win a war when u are 3vs1. still, sweden swiped denmark and poland-lithuania with saxony before getting killed of by russia in the long run. good video. except the ending text. sweden didnt lose finland "a few years later" after 1721. finland was a part of sweden until 1809. sweden was in a union with norway 1814 until 1905. between 1721 and 1809 - sweden was mostly trying to regain their former status but inner political struggels made it hard to really adapt after it empire fell 1721. they did try to retake lost territories in mid 1700s but failed misarably getting crushed to russia yet again. on the other hand, sweden hasent been in a war since 1814-when a swedish army marched into norway and forced a union with them. so peace for 200+years is something good after all.
the issu is that Carl, rather than force a peace after crushing denmark poland an russia, went on to take moscow. if they had accepted the peace they would have still been the largest and potentially most powerfull nation in europe. also the southern european nations wanted Carl to come down and mediate their disputes if only he sued for peace first so the potential to massivly affect european politics for dacades forward was lost becouse he was to hotheaded. id wager that if he hadn't continued to push his luck we would have a united Scandinavian Nation now that probably would be one of the worlds top 10 economies.
Had he not went after Poland-Lithuania (who din't even want to fight him) and just focused on Russia, then Sweden would very likely still be a minor power today.
The Mongols say hello. Temujin G. Khan managed to invade Russia in winter and WON. Real shame he didn't finish the job, though. If he had, America wouldn't have a Russian puppet in the White House right now because Russia wouldn't exist. We'd probably have Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders, or Gary Johnson instead.
@@DarDarBinks1986 You'd still have Trump anyway. He's not a Russian puppet, he's a corporate puppet like all your presidents for the last several decades. Even if it wouldn't be him, it would be Clinton, who is also a corporate puppet. Sanders and Johnson never had a chance.
Macke boy Problem was we lacked the manpower. He depended on reinforcements from the rebelling Cossacks, but aiding them cost a lot more than he gained. Logistics, of course, is the bane of every failed invasion of Russia.
Sweden had a chance to win, and that was when Russia wanted to stop the war, but Sweden went to attack mosscow, the war could have ended quickly, with sweden having it's powers left, it was the only problem which caused sweden to loose
As I understand it Charles XII did not start a single war. Every war he fought was inherited. So I guess hes ambitions was to end the wars in the most favorable way possible. As I see it the least you should expect from a leader.
@Alexander Brunnrgaard Charles XI is seen favorably in Estonia too, since he battled the local German nobility at the time to revoke serfdom and the special status they had. Funny enough, one of those nobles he pissed off brokered the alliance between Denmark, Saxony and Russia.
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suck det ända SD kommer lyckas med är att göra Sverige svagare, i en allt mer globaliserad värld är inte solitäritet och motstånd mot internationella samarbeten bra för vare sig ekonomin eller välfärden. Sverige som det lilla land det är är helt enkelt beroende av internationella samarbeten. något SD helst ser att vi lämnar, SD2018 skulle helt enkelt bli en Politisk, Ekonomisk och Social Katastrof. (och detta helt utan att ta upp deras auktoritära tendenser eller den uppenbara rasism som genomsyrar partiet från ledningen till gräsrötterna, något som borde diskvalificera dem som alternativ oavsett)
Wow I just went 3 days ago to the vasa sunken ship museum in Stockholm... not only the ship is amazing but the way they pulled it out of the water outstanding a feat of engeneering unbeliable
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Charles XII was a military genius he only lost a single battle due to being considered unfit for the battle after he broke his leg. He gave the lead over the army to of his generals that couldn't agree on things and that ended in desaster.
He didn't break his leg, he had been shot in the foot. Quite nastily so, from what I've heard (musket ball going in through the heel and ending up around the toes)...
I doubt he would have won that battle even if he was commanding it personally. He had lost half of the army before that battle even started by having it march through Ukraine in the coldest winter in 500 years.
Truth be told, that wasn’t the entire reason. It was simply a case of massive over-extension - the army was far too small to continue on pushing and perhaps if Charles just sat back and waited out the winter and restocked on supplies and tried to get a larger army, the Swedish Empire would have not ended so quickly.
Nimroc Oh they probably would have won the battle had charles been in command that day, as the swedish army came very close to winning the battle. What really lost the battle was the swedish commander, Rehnskiöld, being too rigid and careful, ordering the infantry to pull back when they were just outside the russian camps ready to storm them. The tsar himself even said that at that moment he had lost hope in victory and had already ordered several regiments to retreat. But when the swedish infantry retreated and the army literally did nothing for 2 hours(!) it gave the russian time to regroup and launch a counteroffensive which annihilated the swedish troops. Charles had always been a very keen tactician and he often improvised based on the current situation at hand. Had he been in command then there's little doubt in my mind that the swedes would have achieved victory on that day.
DankZkittles thanks you there were some inaccuracies in our Portuguese video in all honesty, but we are remaking that video :) there will be a trailer soon showing all the empires we are covering
Sweden lost Finland in 1809, that's more than a few years after 1721. Sweden lost that war because the king then was incompetent. He sent no reinforcements to aid the small army in Finland, being paranoid about the Danes, despite the promise from the Dutch and British navy to keep status quo, since they didn't want neither nation to hold both sides of the strait into the Baltic Sea.
Ehm, the French had an army stationed in northern Germany waiting to be shipped over to invade south Sweden. That is why Sweden had to divide its army in two. The commander of that army was none other than a certain Bernadotte.
Carpet Climber the Swedes list Finland from 1714-1721 resulting in the so called "isoviha" which in turn fucked Finland so bad that it took decades for Finland to recover population and economy vise. And Swedes weren't ready for the war of 1808-1809, supplies weren't sent to Finland to not provocate Russia and supplies and reinforcements couldn't be sent to Finland because Bothnia (Bottenhavet) was frozen and even sending a message to Sweden took weeks because you had to go through the Torne valley. And Sweden was at war with those bloody Danes and French (and spanish). Oh and Sweden/Finland was massively outnumbered, but hey, at least we got "Fänrik Ståls sägner" out of the ordeal
I have to look up the information about French troops. Still, England and the Dutch sealed the ocean, but sure, they weren't trustworthy. And Finland suffering from exploitation? Welcome to the renaissance, that was the norm, even though Swedish kings exploited Finland slightly more. You think Finns would've liked it more having a Russian king? Their people were owned by their aristocracy. Swedish and Finnish peasants had it fairly well, when the norm was total shit. But yes, this era was madness. Tons of Swedish and Finnish peope died in tons of wars, for hundreds of years.
no we're not really a pussy nation, yes we didnät fight in any of the world wars. But that later helped us become the powerful economy we are today. think of it this way: we didn't fight in the war but we helped our neighbours with fighting men and supplies (especially finland) and after the war when every european power needed to rebuild sweden was the nation with a lot of natural resources such as iron that we then sold off to for example france and germany. so thanks to sweden being neutral we've built a nation of wealth and freedom. so will you please stop with that childish way of saying it.
biggbals so what do you suggest we do? Invade russia again? Reinstate absolute monarchy? The only reason you think sweden is such a ”pussy country” today is because you have nothing else to complain about, unlike swedes in the 17th century who had to worry about starving do death and dying of a cold
Truly one of the greatest empires ever! You forgot to mention the 4 wars sweden won against russia, and the ones the settled in peace, you only mention the one time they lost.
DUUUUDE... Its... "The North", how could you miss that? Btw, it should include also Iceland, Greenland (if they wish), Åland, Finland and possibly Estonia.
fun fact about the vasa ship,it can curently be found at the vasa museum and the guys there decided to try out the the thicnes of the walls to se how effective they whoud be in real combat so they made a replecia of the walls took them out into the forest and shoot it with a medival canon...the canon ball whent trough the wall and tok down a tree with it so the ship probobly woud not have all that good in real combat.
This is so good! Please do one of Estonian history! A whole nation would be hyped and thankful. We still talk in our history how Swedes where so wise and just sovereigns. And celebrate 100th birthday since our first republic where established also! And maybe you will find it interesting ;) Write me if you need help finding info about it.
The clip actually explains this way better than most history textbooks and teachers we had in school. Or I’m really old and forgot most of why I learned in school.
Any who are wondering why the Vasa sank: The ship cannon holes were to low down in the ship. When the ship wanted to do some kind of ceremony for it being built, then opened the cannon holes and water flooded in killing a few people. You can still visit the Vasa museum in Stockholm.
Charles XII was a military genius like Napoleon but Russia is almost impossible to beat in war when you try to fight on their soil so it was just a matter of how long the Swedish army could survive.
Next few years from 1721? No no, we lost Finland to the Russians in 1809 around the same time the King was deposed. That was one of the last wars we were involved in and have since then been at a continuous peace for over 200 years. More than can be said for many of the other European empires and great powers.
I wanna mention that the Vasa ship looks nothing like that. Bit weird that you chose that picture as there is A LOT of artworks of it and even TV shows.
Ever since I was a kid - I have dreamt of Sweden regaining its lost territories at some point. I hope that will come true someday but we will se what the future holds.
Marcionite Reactionary Look at the HDI of Sweden. The schools are good compared to most of the world. Its a stable society, low corruption, the road system is the best in the world. Low crime rate. Almost 5 times less murders in sweden than in USA. Good economy, much exports and the people are very tolerant.
Bah, HDI is bogus, it doesn't have an impact on the actual happiness of people. But, sure, the crime rate is low. Also, being tolerant isn't a good thing. There are certain things that shouldn't be tolerated.
Zivan _ ethos this meme is getting old. The Russia invasion went trough Poland Ukraine and Belarus, Not very "Russian", and btw, Sweeden and Finland are in the Arctic circle, I think they could handle some Ukrainian snow.
in one of the wars Germany was terrified of sweden and called the Gustav vasa the lion from the north. If the kids in germany were disobedient then their parents said that the lion from the north would come and take them
When they came to Norway they failed to succsessfully siege the fort in Oslo, Halden and Trondheim. They tried to siege the fortress in halden 4 times but all of them failed. It was even personally lead by King Carl XII. Guess what, he died there. And when the swedish troops went back over the mountains from Trondheim. 4k swedish soldiers froze to death. Thank god for the peace treaty that stopped the war and made Norway an equal country with sweden. otherwise we would see a long lasting and bloody conflict.
Very good analysis. Personally I would speculate that Gustav Vasa and men like him gained traction with Hanseatic money and hanseatic mercenaries. The trading empire playing divide and rule against Denmark that was the only one strong enough to challenge them.
Powerful, yes, but fragile too. The Swedish Empire was only made possible by a fortunate string of very competent kings, and a society that was about as militaristic as North Korea, allowing it to punch far above its weight. Even then, it only took one defeat to bring the whole thing down. Poltava undid every victory won by Sweden until then. Sweden's enemies were able to recover and come back for more. The original Carolean army had trained for years before the war, and accumulated years worth of veterancy over the course of the war. Once it was gone, there was no replacing it. Poltava wasn't inevitable - the Carolean army had won victories far more outnumbered in the past. A combination of unfortunate circumstances caused Poltava to turn out the way it did. However, when all it takes for you to lose the war is one event like that, chances are that sooner or later you'll be unlucky.
A few samples: -Sweden capturing Moscow but slow travel made it so the Poles could make their candidate Tzar. -"Allies" abandoning the battlefield -Vasa sinking -Kings horse too fast, king dies. -Queen turns catholic. -King dies young. -Ship explodes spontaneously -Enemy capitol under siege, gets help from other forces -King dies young. -Royal caste (with archive) burnt down -Random encounters stopping needed support -Coldest winter in the century -Shot in the foot days before decisive battle -Allies capture enemy king, but release him
Gustavo was a military genius due to the understanding quote from the Art of War All warfare is based on deception Appear weak when you are strong Appear strong when you are weak Know yourself and the enemy, you fear not many battles
We should've known when to quit, use the classic swedish mentality of taking everything in moderation and settle for getting our territories back. But nooo, Carolus Rex just HAD to invade Russia, didn't he? .....
Gustav Vasa was largley what we would call a tyrant today. He was, though, idolized for a long time. It is in the last 30 years or so that our view of the man has changed as historians has done some serious cleaning in the old nation romantic attic.
___________ ___________ it is a fact that Gustav Vasa was competent and did some good things. But it is also a fact that it was very dangerous to be close to him, and that he surpressed people who didnt agree in a very harsh manner. The fact that a person does something good does not mean that he is allways good. A good deed does not nullify a bad deed.
At the same time he lived in a time where he could not afford the slightest corruption or treason, for had he allowed it not only would it destroy the nation from within but it would be surely not be overlooked by Denmark. He was a tyrant because he had to be a tyrant. This also ended up serving the people well, but the nobility was never safe.
Or maybe it is becuse he was actually a tyrant becuse history is often glorified and in reality most people have done bad things You fucking moron since modern politics has horseshit to do with history
Yes he was a boy king who had taste of victory tring to eat of the land. Point is when ppl marsch into russia they usually die from starvation or cold, reinforcment that never come.
@@Ashtonlegoguy Generals like Rokossovsky and Vatutin, stronger industrial output, good tanks. I'm saying winter wasn't the deciding factory. P.S. Germany outnumbered the Red Army in 1941.
@Kemas that's funny coming from a dane you guy have tried to conquer us so many times and failed. Even when you had russia and poland-lithuania on your side you still didn't get skåne back. talk about being a hypocrite. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
@@publiuscorneliusscipioafri5009 You men when it was owned by Denmark, Russia and Poland-Lithuania. Those 3 wasn't week nations so that we even managed to take it is quite impressive.
He didn't explain Gustav Vasa's history. He was also imprisoned. He escaped and traveled through the entire country hiding from the danish. In one instance, while he was hiding out in a house. A danish guard (who was searching for him) entered the house. Vasa put on cloth to hide his face and pretended to be a worker. When the guard got suspicious, Vasa jumped out of the house and ran out of the house. One time, he went to a village which was currently suffering from the monarchy, as Christian Tyrann (Christian II) had put incredible tax weight on their shoulder. Vasa asked them if they wanted to revolt. They were quite peaceful people, so they said no. Vasa was disappointed, but continued his travels. The village changed their minds, running 90km after Vasa (yes, Gustav Vasa walked 90km on ice with peasent shoes. There's even a run based on it) they caught up, and now Gustav Vasa has an army of angry farmers.
@@emilstnt3495 Nä men de spöade upp folk i flera hundra år för att de inte var kristna (obs jag säger inte att muslimer är trevliga heller. Men folk glömmer gärna att kristna var oerhört barbariska också).
@@emilstnt3495 Nu snackade jag ju mer om kristendom i helhet. Men Sverige hade även kätteri (kanske inte i lika stor skala som resten utav den kristna världen men vi hade det) och de som anklagades för detta brott avrättades oftast.
