How Ravel Writes for Orchestra

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Maurice Ravel is one of the masters of orchestration, and in this video I look at his 'Alborada del Gracioso' which started life as a piano piece, but was then orchestrated by Ravel 15 years later. It gives us a great chance to look at how he goes about turning a 'black and white' idea into a full technicolor one.
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@Roeming 3 года назад

I got to the end, and was left wanting more!

@seanbeadles7421 3 года назад

Orchestration online has hours-long series analyzing Ravel along with other masters of orchestration like Debussy, Boulanger, and Holst.

@letsnotgothere6242 3 года назад

@@seanbeadles7421 Thank you!

@Bati_ 3 года назад

@@seanbeadles7421 Thanks a lot!

@MilsteinRulez 3 года назад

Me too. Something you find late in the evening and stay up for.

@SLDDPiano 3 года назад

YES! I wish David made a video on Ravel's Daphnis et Chloe... it's an incredibly underrated and neglected masterpiece of orchestration. Also, I personally think no one comes close to Ravel when it comes to "painting" with an orchestra. His harmonies are insane, absolute genius.

@victoriaa2281 3 года назад

Just last week I walked from Ciboure, right past the house Ravel was born in, along the coastline to the border with Spain. An amazing place. And an amazing video - love the "what would I do" style.

@DBruce 3 года назад

I'm jealous!

@MaxBerkowitzMinemax 3 года назад

Tried to learn Alborada on the piano a few months back and quit like 16 bars in. Absolutely outstanding

@na-kun2136 3 года назад

Actually for play many Ravel's pieces your fingers must be flat and very relaxed. For me playing his Jeux d'eau was nightmare. Its very beautiful but incredibly hard.

@stevehinnenkamp5625 Год назад

Wonderful detailed, informative analysis. Dear Bruce, you went to great lengths to reveal the genius of Ravel. Thank you.

@ArgoBeats Год назад

So valuable and effective, I'm a pianist and always loved orchestration, finally someone is explaining it in a very understandable way. Thank you David!

@estarling8766 3 года назад

Thanks for letting us know how complex Ravel's composing work is.

@amitlanis3104 3 года назад

This video helped me a lot, i currently composing my second symphony and still haven't managed to get much out of the percussion, your tip of trying to use more then one type of percussion a time helped a lot in the scherzo.

@karolcpmusic Год назад

13:13: Oh my goodness, that is a lot of divisi with the string sections!

@christopherfederici2776 3 года назад

Both you and your videos are fantastic. Thank you so much for your work.

@nickvareymusic 3 года назад

loved this!

@ramiolsen 3 года назад

More of these, please! Fantastic work, Bruce!

@gabys2 3 года назад

More! Please!

@Robangledorf 3 года назад

brilliant lesson. Thank you so much for making these

@barretthoven 3 года назад

8:37 when you make a dish in Breath of the Wild

@MattMusicianX 3 года назад

Fantastic as always, David!!!

@jefftang6517 3 года назад

I guess you'd maybe be covering a lot of the same ground that you did in this video, but I'd love to see a similar orchestration deep dive into some moments from Pictures at an Exhibition. One day, perhaps...

@parsa.mostaghim 3 года назад

Informative as always ❤🙏

@ЮрийСтечишин-щ3ц 3 года назад

Well, I do believe that Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov did also amazing job with orchestration. Make video about him too!

@AndresFigari 3 года назад

"Maurice Ravel is one of the masters of orchestration" - i would argue he IS the master ;)

@pi3ater 3 года назад

Great video! (you could've titled it "Unraveling Ravel's Orchestration" though)

@andy.miroirs 3 года назад

Thank you so much aah I love Ravel, damn

@thomaswenas-bobbiefet5805 3 года назад

Great video!

@FernandoCarvalhoprod 5 месяцев назад

"gracioso" also means "graceful".

@עמיתמשיח-צ1נ 3 года назад

Great video! Have you been watching OrchestrationOnline videos lately or something?

@ThePianoFortePlayer 3 года назад

I think about that everytime David Bruce makes an orchestration video, I hope they do a collab video some day

@071949 3 года назад

Very interesting, helps explain what makes for Ravel's unique sound. I would be interested in hearing you comment on Ravel's orchestration of Modest Mussorgsky's piano piece *Pictures at an Exhibition*.

@banjomango145 3 года назад

12!

@nicolasbautista3599 3 года назад

I could watch 8 hours straight of these explanations

@andrewfortmusic 3 года назад

Me, too!

@derkvandehulst6798 3 года назад

YES, more please! It is enlightening

@Elizabeth-ld3jn 3 года назад

hi david! i'm a classical harpist, and i just finished playing alborada! just wanted to add that the "près de la table" (abbreviated p.d.l.t.) seen in the harp part is an "special" effect with consists in playing the notes on the lower part of the string, close to the soundboard (harp strings are meant to be played in the center for best quality sound). this p.d.l.t. is typically used to evoke a guitar timbre, so it gives it an even more spanish vibe. another thing that ravel did marvelously in this orchestration!

@jamesmackay4529 3 года назад

Very nice! :)

@ourson66 3 года назад

Ravel was, along with Debussy, the most amazing composer for the harp. I fell in love with the instrument and greedily studied his scores (and Debussy’s) ... learn from the best!

@VasilBelezhkov 2 года назад

Or in other words - what we guitarists know as 'sul ponticello'

@Elizabeth-ld3jn 2 года назад

@@VasilBelezhkov didn't know that... very interesting, thank u!

@tytywuu Год назад

@@VasilBelezhkov and sometimes you can play the guitar near fret to achieve more harp-like sound afaik

@cashwarior 3 года назад

missed opportunity to title it "unRaveling orchestration"

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

Next time maybe. And I hope there is a next time.

@maxalaintwo3578 3 года назад

*Tokyo Ghoul OP starts playing*

@yonatanbeer3475 3 года назад

I've always wanted to make a series on Ravel called "Ravel unraveled"

@FilmScoreandMore 3 года назад

@@yonatanbeer3475 Please do! It’s funny and interesting.

@yonatanbeer3475 3 года назад

@@FilmScoreandMore I think the fascinating thing about Ravel is how great his works are, and also how few they are. Most of the greats left scores of works, Ravel only composed about 30-40. And yet? he remains one of the greatest composers of all time, and also one of the most influencial. When I get a better mic I'll do it, probably.

@sirya-bookie9495 3 года назад

“Some notes are more important than others.” Second Viennese School: *Hi*

@mogmason6920 3 года назад

[Laughs in Sprechgesang]

@Killerbee4712 3 года назад

"All notes are equal, but some notes are more equal than others" - Shostastalin

@quinnlewis2003 3 года назад

Lol

@maxalaintwo3578 3 года назад

@@mogmason6920 *Sprechstimmes in German*

@davidsheriff9274 3 месяца назад

Someone once asked a famous jazz musician "what's the most important beat?" He replied"the one coming up."

@monge941 3 года назад

Hi, Bruce! I’m a native spanish speaker and I think that in this context the word “gracioso” actually means “with grace”, “with charm” or “with elegance”. It’s because “gracioso” is an homograph word and also means “funny”. But It’s ok. The spanish is always tricky. I really enjoy your content. I’m a composition student and I have tons of good tips and knowledge because of your videos. I have a lot of respect and gratitude for you and your work. Saludos desde Centroamérica.

@hase.von.b 3 года назад

pensé lo mismo

@AlexWhiteLanda 3 года назад

wikipedia.org/wiki/Gracioso

@athos604 3 года назад

Just wanted to comment that too. Thanks for doing so, Eddy! :) I hope David gets the message though.

3 года назад

You are wrong (I'm a native Spanish speaker as well). It is an old term employed in the 16th century, and that's the meaning Ravel was referring to. Nowadays you are right that "gracioso" has the meanings you mention.

@athos604 3 года назад

@ Hey there! How do you know that? AFAIK, this piece is relatively modern, far away from the 16th century.... But from what I can gather you are right.In any case I think the basis of your answer could be best than... "You are wrong". This channel deserves to have civil conversations :)

@ListeningIn 3 года назад

I’ve been waiting to watch this as I knew I’d love it. This was incredibly interesting (and a new piece of Ravel’s for me). Those pizz. string chords in an orchestral tutti, though!?

@andrewzanas9387 3 года назад

Gerswin went to France and begged Ravel to take him on as a student. Ravel sent him away saying basically go away, there's nothing left to teach him. I lol'd after hearing your extensive study of Rhapsody in Blue.

@nekokate3904 3 года назад

In the version I heard Ravel sent Gerswin away after hearing how much Gerswin was making in New York 😢

@maestrorafaelribeiro 3 года назад

The story I know goes by like this: "Why become a second-rate Ravel when you are already a first-rate Gershwin?"

@giordanopagotto7940 3 года назад

there's another version of this story, in witch Ravel asked Schoenberg to teach him, and Schoenberg, after seeing how much Gershwin was making in the US, asked him "wy would you want to study with me?!?"

@GothicKin 3 года назад

Mhhh curious how nobody ever saw Ravel and Gershwin in the same room ::thinking::

@benmarino1913 3 года назад

Im a Composition Major and have studied Orchestration. Ravel's orchestral version of Mussorgsky's Pictures at an Exhibition is also a stunningly majestic work of art.

@modestoney1577 3 года назад

Thank you for mentioning that. His orchestration of Mussorgsky is one of my alltime favourites. Gives me chills everytime.

@benmarino1913 3 года назад

@@modestoney1577 Definitely. Mine too!

@jeffreyjeziorski1480 Год назад

@@modestoney1577.........I am with you there, as I have also studied composition and orchestration....I suggest you listen closely to Mozart with an ear to his orchestration, which I consider to be outstanding and transparent.

@A.F.Whitepigeon 3 года назад

9:04 - "Because even though there are a lot of strings, a loud brass and percussion hit can easily drown out an entire string section." As a brass player, I take great pride in this.

@EccentricFanboy 3 года назад

As a woodwind player, that's such a brass thing to say. Let me guess, trumpet?

@A.F.Whitepigeon 3 года назад

@@EccentricFanboy No, though I can see why you'd think that.

@chrissop 3 года назад

@@EccentricFanboy Trumpets will be overplayed by a trombone section..😆

@enelabe 3 года назад

As a Basque guy all I have to say is thank you thank you thank you for raising awareness about Ravel's Basque origins! It's something that is very often passed over, as saying his mother was Spanish is much more comprehensible to all the people that don't know about the Basque Country; but he always took his Basque roots with pride. You even showcased an interpretation by the EOS (Euskadiko Orkestra Sinfonikoa), which is amazing! Thank you again from the bottom of my heart. Eskerrik asko!

@martiglesias60 10 месяцев назад

Ravels mother was Spanish of the bask Region! Its not a country.

@1685Violin 3 года назад

I really wish you could analyze the orchestration of his _Pavane for the Death of the Prinecess_ . That piece fascinates me.

@telaim 3 года назад

So I do! But I was a bit disappointed to learn that Ravel didn't like it very much...may be because it was an early work , he was still studying composition with Fauré . Anyway I will never get tired of this music. By the way Thanks David and longue vie au roi Louis 14 ;-)

@1685Violin 3 года назад

@@telaim The correct French translation for "Long live King Louis XIV" is "Vive le roi Louis XIV". "Vive" is the third person singular imperative of "vivre".

@telaim 3 года назад

@@1685Violin You know...I'm french! Are you? you seems to know well french language ! The entire sentence is "Le roi est mort, vive le roi" but I was just wishing you a long life;-)

@1685Violin 3 года назад

@@telaim No, I know very little French. I know a lot of Spanish though but not fluent enough to speak in professional settings.

@ivyssauro123 3 года назад

@@telaim I actually prefer Fauré's, it's in fact one of my least favorite Ravel pieces and I feel it's overplayed haha

@johanjohansen7572 3 года назад

Could you please make a video about Prokofiev's music?

@Bourneo5 3 года назад

A really brilliant video, thank you so much ! Speaking not as a composer or arranger, but as an orchestral and contemporary clarinettist I get so much out of your videos. It’s such a privilege to have a composer’s viewpoint on so many aspects of music and I always look forward to seeing new content from you. Keep up the amazing work !

@guscox9651 3 года назад

this will be useful for A level music, thank you!

@martiglesias60 10 месяцев назад

Ravels mother had Spanish nationality. Euskadi (Bask country is a region).

@thexalon 3 года назад

13:08 The "avec baguette" instruction for the cymbals does *not* mean Ravel is instructing the percussionist to hit the cymbal with a loaf of bread. He's telling them to hit it with a stick rather than crash it with another cymbal.

@josephredingmusic Год назад

9:50ish Violinist here! That high A on the violin has a really powerful “pop” when you really lay into it; get the whole section to really strum and it comes through just fine!

@lemonxlemonxlemon 3 года назад

"..It's also full of allusions to flamenco music, and that most Spanish of instruments, the guitar... The texture itself is very guitar-like, plucked staccato melody with accompanying syncopated chords... Notice how all the chords are rolled to underline the guitar-like effect... This may be to imitate the flamenco technique of rasgueado... So this is all giving us a flavour and points us to the direction we should take the orchestration in" Ahh of course, we include a guitar in the orchestration! "...It makes sense to start with some kind of pizzicato strings" oh.

@nigelhaywood9753 3 года назад

Without amplification, a guitar would be lost ‘in the mix’ alongside a full size orchestra. That even happens to the harp a lot of the time and the harp’s unstopped strings can generally project a lot more than those of a guitar. Several guitars would be an option, but that’s really going down a whole different path. Ravel wanted to capture something Spanish with the palette of a standard orchestra, he wasn’t writing a guitar concerto, which, incidentally, invariably calls for a reduced orchestra. Some of the best examples of the sounds of a guitar being captured by a skillful orchestration are to be found in Manuel de Falla’s ‘Three Cornered Hat’. Again there are no actual guitars involved. The use of the guitar in the orchestra, rare though it is, would make for another interesting video from David Bruce though 🙂.

@I.amthatrealJuan 3 года назад

Ravel was such a unique figure with his music that he occupies a niche on his own.

@AntonioOrtizMusic 3 года назад

I love that you mentioned the importance of adding more percussion instruments than you might initally think. I've been looking at some orchestral scores lately and that was one of my big takeaways. I often think that a simple bass drum and maybe timpani will suffice, often forgeting and neglecting that there are a large array of drums to add more flavor to the piece (don't sleep on a good snare drum). Great video, David!

@emanuel_soundtrack 3 года назад

Its just for the tutti at the end what he said. Makes no sense, you will not gong your whole piece always when a triangle sounds no? Orquestration needs lessons and integral reflection, not teasers

@ob4161 3 года назад

unRAVELing Ravel's orchestration!

@davidlast4620 3 года назад

Is David Bruce the BDG of classical music youtube now?

@ob4161 3 года назад

@S Great minds think alike

@maxalain9948 3 года назад

You had to say it

@nigelhaywood9753 3 года назад

I'm in love with the lady harpist!

@kingkyleiv7960 3 года назад

👀

@Trombonemusic765 Месяц назад

On your "boom thwack" part of your orchestration, I see you put low D's into your trombone. I wouldnt recommend that since that note is a pedal tone and hard to project clearly. I think this can be solved with an F trigger though

@ByzantineCalvinist 3 года назад

Mr Bruce, what do you think of Zoltán Kocsis' orchestration of the remaining two movements of Ravel's Le Tombeau de Couperin? I'm a huge admirer of Ravel's music and his orchestrations, but I personally found Kocsis' attempt compelling.

@emanuel_soundtrack 3 года назад

Dissecting Ravels Orquestration = Some basic remarks on Ravel's arrangement of Alborada del Gracioso

@andrewfortmusic 3 года назад

SIGRA AIYRRSITRSRIHFSOHRSIGEAIHRSYRSUHA I’M SO HAPPY!! Ravel is my absolute favorite composer! I listen to his music every day for hours. Thank you for this video!

@wiesorix 3 года назад

Oh no, this video felt too short, I want more of this! It's very interesting since I normally don't really pay attention to orchestratration when listening. Well, at least what to do in the next days: listen a lot to both versions of the piece.

@neilwalsh3977 3 года назад

Benjamin Britten's Les Illuminations has a brilliant Ravelian like Guitarra section for strings

@MelodiousThunk 3 года назад

_"For the solo line, I think Ravel was thinking of... the Cante Jondo, the deep song... Which instrument would you choose to emulate this kind of sound?"_ - is there a duduk that has the right range for this? If Kodaly could get away with calling for a cimbalom in his Hary Janos Suite, it might not have been out of the question for Ravel to request an Armenian wind instrument. He did, after all, suggest using a luthéal in Tzigane, suggesting that he had an interest in timbres that are outside of the western orchestral palette.

@robinhaigh1249 3 года назад

Another fascinating video, David!

@alexaramen18 2 года назад

The repeated notes also seem like they could be designed to invoke the guitar tremolo, which is a repeated plucked note on the same string

@victotronics 3 года назад

6:41 2nd flute plays those fast notes on a low C#? The wow factor is that the flutist is able to pull that off to begin with.....

@audpicc 3 года назад

People love to shit on Bolero because it's overplayed but I feel like it was perhaps the first orchestral piece I heard as a young person that really made me realize that orchestration in and of itself is an art form. And as a flutist and piccoloist, playing his pieces in orchestra always has this "i'm actually conjuring magic right now" feeling that's hard to describe.

@flavio5046 3 года назад

A greate channel for orchestration here in youtube is "Orchestration Online"

@leoholder7839 3 года назад

Mother Goose Suite, String Quartet in F major, so much beautiful music and I just wish I could write as good orchestration

@telaim 2 года назад

So interesting, merci mille fois cher Bruce ;)

@corneliuslow 3 года назад

I have never heard of this piece, thank you

@pyotr2352 3 года назад

This is the earliest I’ve ever been! Love your content!

@MJ_Convey 3 года назад

Nice. Would love to see a video like this about Rimsky-Korsakov.

@maxalaintwo3578 3 года назад

Likewise

@emanuel_soundtrack 3 года назад

3:40 my last teacher xd ;) 7:00 my piano xd ;)

@enriquesanchez2001 2 года назад

:) Gua-HEE-ra

@timcox5373 3 года назад

And so my love of Ravel continues

@Lamadesbois 3 года назад

11:11 and 11:52 : My Funny Valentine melody.

@samuka7118 3 года назад

Ravel is a genius, i wonder who would be the electronic equivalent of him

@DerekPower 3 года назад

Vangelis

@JAYDUBYAH29 3 года назад

Deadmau5

@JAYDUBYAH29 3 года назад

Or Flume.

@EmersonBorakove 3 года назад

animal collective?

@FlorissMusic 3 года назад

@@JAYDUBYAH29 Im sorry but deadmua5 is not respected in the electronic music world at all

@maxalain9948 3 года назад

I could use a whole playlist of orchestration!

@iankr 3 года назад

Great stuff. Many thanks. Do you use Sibelius stave writing s/ware, BTW?

@me_is_hobo 2 года назад

Happy birthday, Ravel!

@seongchaelee694 3 года назад

Now I want a video of Rachmaninoff’s Symphonic Dances - how it was orchestrated from a piano duet piece 😭😭

@quintessenceSL 3 года назад

"To create something so fragile that it only really holds together through the sheer technical brilliance of the players." I am reminded of Cows, whose music sounds like it is falling apart as they are playing it. "I have no doubt that the Cows know how to play their instruments. What I don't understand is why they refuse to tune them."

@seanclancy4938 3 года назад

Really, REALLY enjoyed this. I've always been interested in how Ravel (and others) decided which instruments/timbres worked best for orchestrating piano works. Thanks so much!

@mmarci23 2 года назад

Guzhengs in thumbnail

@eltorakh 3 года назад

9:38 you actually played a high D, the A is another fifth higher ! Oddly enough your hand placement looks correct though. I feel that asking to pluck that high is mainly for a percussive effect since the string is way too short to resonate (it even hurts a bit actually since the string is so tense).

@AhimSaah 3 года назад

Absolutely brilliant, Bruce! I would like to sit for hours and watch the full analysis of the Alborada. Ravel really is a fine Swiss watch mechanic of the orchestration. I played the piano piece, some places are just unplayable, nobody in the world can play the repeated notes on a modern concert grand, everyone's goal is just to find a way to musically cheat, drop the tempo or something else. I've been wondering for years: did Ravel have an orchestral version in mind when he wrote the piano piece? This would explain the awkwardness of the technics used (repeated notes, glissandos in thirds and fourths, awkward wide appoggiaturas, daring jumps etc.) but on the other hand Scarbo is even more unpianistic and awkward and unplayable and he never orchestrated that. A truth genius walking on a narrow line between heaven and hell 😁!

@CamiloGaetePuga 3 года назад

Excellent video! Interesting and fun in perfect balance! SUBSCRIBED INMEDIATELY!

@JohannesWiberg 3 года назад

That last part with the flageolet-like strings was astounding.

@Garspawnish 3 года назад

Those “schmoozey” chords are some of the most gorgeous in music history, Btw, David, Id love for you to do a vid on Haydn’s orchestrations. He’s experimenting with so many different timbres, etc. ❤️👍🎶

@slimyelow 3 года назад

OMG Bruce this is so cool! I wish you would do a whole series on Ravel Orchestration, maybe even a Udemy course for composers.

@nonenoneonenonenone 2 года назад

Where do conductors get these weird-looking jackets that all look alike?

@nonenoneonenonenone 2 года назад

Basques are not Spanish, by the way, and their music is unique.

@nonenoneonenonenone 2 года назад

"Pizzicato" playing, especially in that register, is not at all natural to the harp. The off-beat chords in one hand, muffled with the other hand, is more natural. Ravel's harp parts can be very difficult to play.

@timothytikker3834 2 года назад

In an interview in the course of a US Public Broadcasting System TV documentary. years ago, pianist Arthur Rubenstein recalled the time he asked Ravel "how did you become such a great orchestrator?" He said that Ravel answered "Saint-Saëns' Third Piano Concerto: the orchestration in that piece is fantastic!"

@robkunkel8833 3 года назад

Ravel “The Swiss watchmaker of music” ... Igor Stravinsky , how you jest. 🥂

@redheron4321 3 года назад

While I do appreciate Ravel's style of orchestration, am I the only on who finds his style quite obvious, in a way? While I always like his music, I don't think I'm ever surprised by what he does, in an orchestra setting that is (except maybe for Mussorgski's Pictures at an exhibition). Like I said, it just feels really obvious and not that original. Feel free to prove me wrong.

@WesleyWestMusic Год назад

Thank you so much for your videos! I honestly enjoy it so much, I learn so much

@TheBaronOfBromley 3 года назад

Ravel the best

@composer7325 3 месяца назад

Brilliant,I just found it on youtube, but I will have to look at it a few times.Thank you for this wonderful upload.

@owenmcgee8496 3 года назад

i saw ravel's house once. i prefer tomita's orchestration of D&C Suite to R's original. in past, every Fr composer seems to have done Sp pieces. but why? i (have nothing to say).

@Vincent-ig2cb 3 месяца назад

And I thought Ravel was a really great orchestrator. You have shown here that he was the genius everybody say's he is. Your analysis was so interesting, it finished way too soon. Thank you so much.

@thomasjamison2050 3 года назад

Marvelous combinations, but contrast is always at least an equally important facet of any form of art, and I have always favored orchestrators who are willing to use a single instrument at points for contrast even though they might have at least 200 different voices to choose from. Of course, nowhere is this more self-evident than in opera, but the principle applies equally to instruments alone. I can't remember it offhand, but there is a Duke Ellington arrangement where the piano plays just one note in the very middle of the piece. I like that very much. Reminds me somehow of Fellini's 8 1/2.

@Ana_crusis 3 года назад

David , both you and Adam Neely (and probably others) have cleared all the other channels from your you tube page. (I went there looking for some good sites) why have you done that? it seems a bit mean...