This video missed a ton of stuff that makes it realistic. -Ships built like Dutch houses so the force goes to the feet / The constant acceleration creates false gravity. -No windows. -The drum of Medina / Behemoth / Navoo is 1km across / what scientists assume is the best min diameter to avoid vertigo. -Space combat uses missiles, no energy sheilds, people need suits on during combat in case of hull breach, ships run at each other like jousters, combat manuevers make sense and have strategy behind them. -People born in the belt grow tall and skinny and have various health problems related to it / low G people have real trouble in 1G. -So much more. Even Naomi's jump into the vaccuum was checked with NASA and it's actually quite plausible.
Also love that they treat hull breaches as though they aren't the end of the world. Aerodynamics aren't a factor, so flying with a hunk of ship missing is no big deal as long as the engines work and suits are on.
Actually the "false gravity" from constant linear acceleration is exactly the same as gravity generated by planets. See Einstein's equivalence principle.
[Alert: possible small spoiler] Hey, can you explain / provide a source on how Naomi's space jump (or Ashford's expulsion for that matter) are supposed to be plausible? No polemic intent, I am just genuinely curious because as far as I know due to internal pressure and the absence of external pressure a person in the void without a suit would literally explode in an instant.
More realistic than 75% of science fiction works. Don't get me wrong, I love Babylon 5, BSG and Star Trek but The Expanse is a sobering dose of real physics. Outside of the ring gates of course.
The ring gates are not physics as we know them but that's ok because it comes from advanced alien tech. Basing this on the belief that advanced science looks like magic to those who are not as advanced I won't say it's not realistic just not understood by us yet.
The builders of the Ring-gates died out before homo sapiens even established their foothold on Earth and (other than some foolish scientists) they have acted more as "end users" of that alien technology as they are unable to comprehend the manner in which if functions (though we do get some glimpses in "Leviathan Falls").
@@rozzgrey801 I think there is a time gap between some books and that's one reason they decided to end it at the 6th season. There are talks about a spinoff, though that would probably deal with new characters inspired by the books but maybe not directly based off them.
Not to mention great characters and story telling. As the show goes on and more fantastical elements are added, they are added slowly with some explanation so as to keep them believable. It is a masterpiece.
Even the alien stuff in the expanse feel believable, like a good take on the fermi paradox. They are not just another humanoid race which can somehow lose a conventional war against humans. In the expanse the aliens aren't even a species, just a thing that sometimes reacts to what humans do to it and sometimes it does whatever it wants with no way to stop it.
I just discovered this show. I’ve seen the thumbnail but never wanted to watch. But heard the last season was out so I decided to go ahead. And man am I glad I waited and I’m glad I tried it. Shows pretty good, I hope they make more shows in this universe
Season 1-3 are incomparable great, probably the best ever crated on the screen. After Amazon tock over season 4 -6 are getting gradually more and more flat. Just watched S4E5, flat dialogs hardly any intense story line, just some scene snippets. Really left me with the feeling Amazon intentional cut the budget to prevent any more Fan requests. The actor’s seem to be jut speaking their text and otherwise relax on the set, the only character still is up to the task, is Camina Drummer. But enjoy Season 1-3 its absolutely amazing. The editor, camera and director did a great job on it.
The engines are fusion drives, the holy grail of propulsion. The fusion material is He3, which makes a nearly neutron free reaction. This was spelled out in the books but only hinted at in the series. Given 200 years of advancement of current technology this isn't that unbelievable. Also, a gel that regrow limbs based on I think cuttlefish dna is a current research that's perfected in The Expanse
Most of the space scens are silent. The sounds you hear sometimes are stuff hitting ships, then you would hear or at least feel it because of the air inside the ship.
Whenever I hear the engines as a ship zooms across the screen I just imagine it's what can be heard inside the ship. I know it isn't but the sound effects are very effective for the drama.
There is only one piece of art that coped with space being absolutely silent, being 2001 : a space odissey. That incredible movie and its lack of sound in space gave the public a realistic (for a sci-fi movie) take on the emptyness and loneliness of space. This said, sound in space for sci-fi is totally acceptable and it just feels ok. The Expanse is art, so I can get along with a bit of sound in space, I must condone it for how good the source material and its adaptation are. In the end what would be a SW movie without the sound of a Twin Ion Engine (TIE) fighter ? ;)
I think Battlestar Galactica (2004) also dealt with the silence of space. None of the space battles between the humans and Cylons have sound (a music soundtrack, yes).
This is the best sci-fi series in history, hands down. I don't think there will be another like it, this series easily shares the top ranks since the game of thrones.
They also constantly accelerate towards their destination and 50% of the way to the finish they turn around an decelerate so they don't crash into a nuclear fireball.
It's not _exactly_ true that sound can't travel through space. If there is a medium for pressure to travel through, sound will travel. If a space ship explodes, medium stored inside is violently released. The volume would be very low, depending on the distance, but you'd still have it. Also, you'd hear exhaust if you were in the plume, like when they were chasing the Azure Dragon and getting caught in the exhaust. Someone did simulations on what explosions would sound like through space and you can find it on YT.
The Epstein Drive is an inertial confinement engine. In season 4, the Roci’s reactor inner workings is shown as a bunch of lasers compressing a pellet of fusion fuel, which is the principle of inertial confinement fusion. ICF have been theorised as a future space propulsion method, and it does have the efficiency required for the constant acceleration journeys to other planets. The only unrealistic part about the Epstein Drive is such a powerful device will produce absurd amounts of heat (terawatts for even a small ship like the Roci), and radiators are missing on any of those ships. Realistically without radiators, these ships will likely melt in minutes.
I think heat dissipation is a major factor missing in every sci fi story. The heat from drives, guns, and never mind lasers! A major issue NASA and other agencies have is dissipating the heat that's generated on the ships. People think space is cold when space is in fact... nothing, which makes it really inefficient at changing temperatures.
@@Friendlygiant666 this is literally my case and if i had to say one thing i hated about the expanse, it would be that. the show is just too damn good, nothing can compare. i cant watch any space sci-fi anymore without thinking "the expanse would've done it better" pain.
Magic alien technology aside, the most implausible aspect of The Expanse is how often characters run into other characters in the vastness of open space, by pure happenstance.
This is real science fiction respecting the laws of physics, makes you believe this may actually happen 250 years from now instead of the absurd sci fi series like Another Life where distance of a light year is treated as if it's just a 100 mile away. Infact most of the story has been built around the real science limitations of space. The only real space problem which has been mostly ignored is the constant deadly radiation of space.
I wouldn't say they ignore the radiation problem, rather it's dealt with through tech. In season 5 when Naomi made the jump from the Pella to the Chetzemoka without a vacuum suit she suffered some pretty nasty radiation burns. Holden has to take meds every day to counter the effects of his radiation exposure on Eros, and will need to do so for the rest of his life. I would say rather than outright ignoring radiation as a problem they've developed adequate shielding for their ships and spacesuits, and the medical tech to overcome the worst effects of exposure to radiation. If they hadn't there wouldn't be any belters, nobody would live long enough out there for the belt to have been populated in the first place.
@@butchs.4239 Agreed but space radiation is a lot more deadly and is capable of destroying even the hardest shielding in months. Events like a solar storm find no mention. I think we should assume that the metallurgy has evolved to reduce this continuous health hazard by a great extent. All and all a great show which makes us visualize living 250 years from now
Space radiation can be stopped by water. You're vastly overselling its danger. We know how strong the radiation is from readings taken by Curiosity. You could match the radiation damage a Mars mission would do you by taking up smoking.
@@ReddwarfIV i mean the man has a point, radiation from space as you travel is a big problem, there are like tou say many solultions like water and heavy water and raidiation eating fungi.
A lot of people say that the Expanse ships lack radiators. There are actually radiators on Expanse ships but they are a lot fewer of them and assuming in the future this type of tech had improved a lot, radiators would like wholely different compared to today. Who know the material of the hulls can be made to vent heat faster? In space battle, you can make an enemy ship surrender by literally making it unable to vent heat and become so hot the crew has to surrender or risk getting cooked alive. I haven't seen any form of sci-fi media of near future that have this aspect.
This is a pretty good if incomplete explanation except, if you don't know the Expanse already you cant know which of these images is part of it and which aren't and it becomes confused. "Is that an example of the show or what not to do?"
I absolutely love The Expanse. I've been a sci-fi enthusiast my entire life and when I saw The Expanse I was genuinely blown away by how real things looked - everything just 'felt' right. I knew then that the creators of the series had definitely done their homework. I concur on the other aspects of the show such as the economy and society as a whole. The show is very relatable which is why it has so much appeal. I was sad to see it end. Overall, The Expanse is a welcome change from the material masquerading as sci-fi. Awesome job to all involved in the making of The Expanse.
The no sound in space is indeed something they tried but decided to add in the sound for the viewing experience. However, all the sound in space is dulled to show that there is indeed no sound in space
It is dulled like it would conducted through the physical touch of the space suite. There are some scenes when the radio fails and they use physical touch to communicate, to conduct their voice.
It's important to remember that often in sci-fi writing they invent a technological mcguffin often just for story-telling purposes. For example the transporter tech in Star Trek was originally created to save the writers time working out how the crew got to and from planets. Originally they'd had to use shuttlecraft, which got very cumbersome.
well the juice is a strong mixture of drugs (nothing fancy) and the epstien drive a high efficiency fusion drive. That fusion that we can already make happen in real world even tho it's not efficient to produce energy, nonetheless we have both technology already. The far fetched things are comming with the gate builders but the rest are pretty much realistic.
The Expanse realism made me appreciate space and at the same time fear it. The space battles also helped me make sense of how to play Elite Dangerous XD
I'm currently reading the books (finally!), so my big challenge when I finally watch the series will be to reconcile my own interpretation and imagery with the inevitable changes in the TV series.
One of the all time best Sci-fi series. They work incredibly hard to get the science right. I don't think AI was covered enough in the series. Even today we're seeing huge progress with AI. 2-3 centuries from now it will have transformed the world in ways that are hard to imagine.
There was AI all over the place; it was just fully integrated and understated. For instance, remember when Naomi first approached a data panel, the Roci immediately presented her with the chief engineer's panel.Wwhen the protagonists first got aboard the Roci, it automatically deduced and assigned them their proper crew positions from the background intelligence the Martians already had on them. The Roci was constantly evaluating their speech for direct commands, understood their various dialects and slang, and automatically identified who was authorized to give what kind of command. The torpedoes and point defense cannon were shown to have both defensive and counter-defensive AI abilities. When the Nauvoo was being positioned, the tow rockets displayed "swarm AI" capabilities. The "autodocs" automatically evaluated the condition of the patients and applied necessary treatment. In one case, Amos had to override the autodoc when it went into "hospice mode" after automatically judging that Holden was unrecoverable.
They live on the inside of ceres. If they spun it up and tried to live on the surface, they’d fly off as there’s not enough mass for gravity. Hence why Miller is thrown into an airlock by Dawes’ henchmen downwards. Because under your feet is the surface of the planet from the other side.
Well, it's not entirely true, some very faint sound waves from extremely massive and closeby sources can be heard in space. Space isn't empty, there are gas and dust particles in space they are just very sparse, but if the sound source is loud and close enough you can hear some noises (obviously not the whole spectrum). The way the sound IMO should be done (still not realistic but closer to realism) is very mute and dampened noise like in Firefly for example. It's still there for the audience to connect the dots but also it's extremely dampened and quiet to still point out the fact that there's almost no noise in space. Best of both worlds.
I noticed in season 6 unrealistic behaviour of liquids inside ships. An open glass of water in the Rocinante, or Marvo Inaros spilling alcohol in a glass in his ship.
i recommend watching the series first, then reading the books, the Expanse is a shining jewel in sci-fi, excellent actors, plots and the alien threat... just watch it
So the only thing I can say that could help is with the epstein drive, so you basic say it's hand waved or not really explained well it is stated a bunch of items that the Epstein drive is a really efficient fusion engine so it works by putting fule pellets in and a lasers are shot in to it and start a fusion reaction. The next part is just my opinion but to me the epstein is like A tokamak & ITER had a baby haha
Love the show BUT it has major unrealistic flaws that destroy the whole premise. 1- Humans will not live in weightless environments like the belt due to its devastating effect on the human body, which is far more severe than what is depicted. 2- Radiation would also kill them. They wouldn't survive many years. 3- Also, why would any humans volunteer for such things? I have only made it through season 1 so far and this may be answered in later seasons... dunno yet. 4- Most importantly, in 200 years we will have advanced robotic and AI systems that will make it unnecessary for humans to mine anything. Edit: I thought it was very cool when in season 1 they briefly show the Coriolis effect when the detective is pouring some booze. Nice attention to detail and realism
The show does take liberty with the time it would take to travel from one point to another though. Weeks and months are cut out. I think we can be thankful for not seeing that aspect of space travel. I think I heard Ty Franck, one of the writers of the books and show said that the sound for the scenes in space come from the same place the music does. I thought that was a clever expatiation.
Why explain how realistic the depiction of Mars is while showing footage of Belters who didn't live on Mars? It's not like there was a shortage of Martian footage on the show?
Except one thing - range. They constantly insist on torpedo range, cannon range and specially - EM cannon range. Speed of EM projectile is 1% of speed of light - there is no firing range for that. Each tungsten projectile will left our Galaxy and fly forever.... But without that, there be less drama, and Rosi will be basically unbeatable.
@@sanjasrdanovic3727 Weapon range in the Expanse refers to the distance at which an enemy ship can see the incoming shot and evade it. For example, while railguns’ projectiles travel at a fraction of speed of light, enemy ship can detect the railgun firing at speed of light and maneuver in time for the shot to miss
@@sanjasrdanovic3727 railgun range in the expanse is based of hamerlock range witch is the range where the shot of the railgun and the impact are nearly the same time as a shipboard computer would evade railgun shots if it took to much time
Brilliant to me that’s the perfect blend of realistic and plausible combined with sci fi and entertainment. Perfect balance. Too much reality and it gets boring as fuck and quick. Too much craziness and you can’t relate and all lol
Are the ship guns in the Expanse really real? Exhaust gas is not equal to projectile mass + explosion. Those babies should be Last Starfighter Death Blossoming while on a vector close to their opponent. Also (spoilers), no one really missed ships just disappearing? Like if all the A-10s in the world flew to the Bermuda Triangle and like 5% disappeared there's going to be 5% of the crews (or the plane builders, or like any competent command structure) that are like WTF? Those things aren't cheap. But hey we lost some space ships... cool cool.
SciFi is not usually meant to be a how-to manual or documentary. The correct percentage of magical hokum needed to tell a fictional narrative is a matter of subjective opinion. Hollywood doesn't even portray making movies accurately in films.
I only struggled to believe the maintenance of artifical gravity all the time , like they only float around in zero gravity in some exeptions , but you gonna say they use the epsteme drive to maintain a 1g force , but are they driving all the time at the required speed and where they get the fuel to keep a 1g force all this long periods , how they keep oxygen in one episode group of immigrants strugled to keep enough oxygen for everyone that was real issue that I can believe , but how come they rarely run of exygen and how they produce it , lastly how do they protect their bodies from radiation , also I couldn't understand but over all the show is the closest thing we have to a real space civilazation in the near future and so far best sicfi show.
The Epstein Drive is the major "hand wave" they use to make the story possible, and in the simplest way possible. The Epstein drive is exceedingly efficient, and it's that single factor...efficiency...that answers all your questions. As to protecting their bodies from radiation, they display several times that radiation-induced cancer appears to be something their medical science has largely solved. Even at that, it was noted that Belters lived only half as long as Earthers and Martians.
Thx for covering the Expanse but: Please stop BSing about no sound in space. You will hear sound as long as you are in physical contact with something. And that is exacly how sound in the expanse works. In some cases they give you sound from multiple perspectives, but the sound is real all the same
And they play off of that too by putting helmets against helmets so that the sound vibrations transfer through physical contact and they can talk without radio.
If they do make an expanse movie. It would be a colossal mistake not to cast Allen Ritchson as some sort of hero in it. His acting is impressive and he is maturing into the leading role type of actor. Good luck Allen.
Actually today's scientists are already talking/working on how Warp Drive can and will occur. By the time we arrive at the Expanse's universe timeline we should have it by then, baring a devastating war or Global Catastrophe . What man can think up, he can do given TIME and TECHNOLOGY.
According to the storyline the series is based on, carbon catching or "C02 scrubbers" were implemented to try and reduce the impact of climate change and there were forest re-planting projects as well to replace damaged ecosystems. The ice still melted though which is why cities like NYC and Copenhagen have sea walls around them. Also the earth became overpopulated and a huge percent of earth's population lived at or below poverty due to lack of job opportunities.
Doesn't anybody else get bothered by the lack is realism in the anthropological/cultural details? It's taken 6 sittings to get through the first 2 episodes because I can't stop turning it off due to the painfully stupid idea that people are going to be living their interstellar life in trilby hats, worn leather jacket and whisky-drinker's stubble. None of the physics realism counts for me if we have to carry these stupid cliches forward.
I saw Superman, way back when, in the movie theater. The guy next to me was a Yapper. “This is fake” & “that can’t be done”. I looked over and said It’s a movie about a a flying Superman in tights & a cape. When I watch SciFi I know it’s Science…FICTION. As long as it’s good I don’t care. It’s entertainment not a college education
@@reentrysfs6317 Yes, I know and this was when my first question rises as i seen Nauvoo. Why the building giant spinning generation space ship when they have so efficient drive? From Avatar we know that with1,5G acceleration for 12 months we can reach nearest star in6-7 years. If humans in Expanse can build giant kilometers size battle ships with hundreds of crew and hundreds of tons of the warfare equipment that can accelerate with 1G for a weeks why the don't build the vessel to travel to the stars with constant acceleration?
@@linkedhashmap maybe it’s like the more fuel you have the more mass you need to pull in to get to another star as a Epstein drive n Can burn only for a few days before it needs to refuel maybe that’s why idk I am not a science expert.
Your choices of images are really weird.... either you talk about mars and show belters on a ship or you show some random scy-fi images that have nothing to do about the expanse or even the subjet on hand.
There is no way to predict that. Also with the show sticking to realism it has to go by what we know now for it to be believable. Or it will make up stuff and it might as well be like other sci-fi shows.
Quantum entanglement describes two particles behaving the same way at a distance. If you interfere with one (say, in the hopes of affecting the entangled particle) you will have two particles behaving differently. No information is communicated between them.
All the time watching this and hearing how well is made and bla bla blah but in my head was - wtf how is this real? the rockets are making explosion sounds, it shouldn't make no sound- and then you say it in the end 🤣😁
@@RavensEagle no my reference is Physics... Wormhole blackhole all these will be whole in 4D Space. It should look like sphere to us with gravitational distortion around it
An Epstein drive is only special compared to earlier fusion drives due to it's extreme fuel efficiency and as a result of being able to accelerate much longer, it's top speed. The Epstein drive made it so that it was much more economical and quicker to travel anywhere in the solar system because it required at least a magnitude less fuel while reaching much higher top speeds.
