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How Rotation Immediately Changes Your Playing (featuring Bernstein, Durso, Roskell and Golandsky) 

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@Pugames
@Pugames 8 месяцев назад
Edna Golandsky and Bob Durso are such incredible musicians and teachers. Edna helped me recover from a debilitating injury and taught me the motions that allow me to play with tremendous ease and facility.
@jackwalter2985
@jackwalter2985 8 месяцев назад
Been studying with a Taubman teacher for three years now and the difference in my playing is incredible. These concepts are SO worth learning
@brandonmacey964
@brandonmacey964 8 месяцев назад
They sort of destroy my brain, I fail to understand most of it.. I must be a peanut brain
@jacobgerardy630
@jacobgerardy630 8 месяцев назад
I really REALLY appreciate Seymour's teachings because he just puts it in a way that's so easily relatable. Even someone who doesnt play could understand his teachings on mechanics
@mariostoumbas6531
@mariostoumbas6531 8 месяцев назад
Great video! I’m a professional pianist for forty years and a university professor of jazz piano and a student of jazz piano legend Boston based teacher Charlie Banacos. Excellent!
@saltburner2
@saltburner2 8 месяцев назад
Benjamin Zander talks about one-buttock and two-buttock players - he recommends the former. Shifting from buttock to buttock while playing the piano (or any instrument, really) ensures this rotation. It is also easy to remember!
@virginiahouser1060
@virginiahouser1060 8 месяцев назад
Thank you presenting this fundamental concept in such a simple and understandable way and also for showing how to incorporate it repertoire snippets. I highly recommend anyone who plays the piano to explore its application in more depth.
@kalebbrewer4510
@kalebbrewer4510 8 месяцев назад
A great piece to train rotation, I found, is the Mendelssohn Concerto No.1 in g minor, particularly the 3rd Movement. He is almost forcing you to use this technique, and the piece suits the hands very nicely, making it an easier concerto, but still not the easiest😅.
@ManWithoutThePants
@ManWithoutThePants 8 месяцев назад
Yesterday I happened to hear AC/DC Thunderstruck and tried it on the piano with one hand and noticed that it's kind of forearm rotation exercise :)
@BjornHegstad
@BjornHegstad 8 месяцев назад
I really like Graham Fitch's explanation and demonstration of forearm rotation on the Pianist Magazine youtube channel.
@YotamIshay
@YotamIshay 8 месяцев назад
Rotation definitely completely changed my playing for the better 3 years ago when I had a really bad case of RSI. (I couldn't even hold a cup of coffee with one hand). My teacher Susan Cohen taught me that.
@marcocosto6748
@marcocosto6748 8 месяцев назад
Seymour is the most gentle troll ever
@mo-mo-ni
@mo-mo-ni 8 месяцев назад
❤ 😂 ❤
@SpontaneityJD
@SpontaneityJD 8 месяцев назад
He is gold
@shooshieroberts3913
@shooshieroberts3913 8 месяцев назад
But he’s a lovable troll, if you want to call him that. It’s this crazy thing we do - piano. You may hate someone’s playing, but you have to respect them if they’re accomplishing what they set out to do. With Seymour, the classic example is Glenn Gould. How can you say Gould is “bad?” He’s obviously a genius level performer. He’s put in the work. The time. The effort. The analysis, the… yadda yadda yadda. But he hears music wayyy differently than a lot of us do. I respect what he does, but even if I were practiced at his sound, I’d never play that way. Bernstein knows Gould is of a special kind of greatness, but one that’s irritating to listen to, because his conception of the music is practically opposite of what many of us hear. Thus… Seymour is a gentle troll.
@SrPeemeele
@SrPeemeele 8 месяцев назад
😂😂😂
@danhhughes
@danhhughes 8 месяцев назад
I absolutely adore him
@miguelalonsoperez5609
@miguelalonsoperez5609 5 месяцев назад
Forearm rotation contributes to total fingertip momentum when striking the key, but is not all you should do. Hope one day someone give an explanation of pianist biomechanics, because is not as complicated it can seem. Piano mechanism is ballistic, we throw the hammer against the string. As the hammer is a fixed weight, the only variable that can change its momentum is velocity. So to play louder one has to add velocity to the key mechanism. The higher the velocity you add, the more momentum you need in you body focused on your finger so it can be transmitted to the key mechanism. All pieces from the fixed point of the body system, that’s it form the surface of the bench, can contribute to total momentum in contact of the key, in the same way that all the segments of a football player from the foot in contact to the ground till the foot in contact with the ball is going to add momentum to a proper kick. Forearm rotation, elbow extension, wrist flexion, shoulder extension, metacarpal flexion (abduction in case of the thumb)… all add together to the stroke in the piano. The louder the note, the more you need from heavier elements as back and shoulder: at mow volumes on can only perceive metacarpal flexion and wrist movements but still they are there. Immediately after kicking the string, no other thing can alter the sound so we release tension of the system as fast as we can in order to preserve energy and relax muscles, just we leave around 40-50 gr in order to keep the dumper away. Also the third law of Newton implies that same momentum is transferred backwards to our body: with the release we “recoil” a little bit because this two factors (release tension and reacting forces together). So a pianist is an system of a lot of motions organized in cycles of down/approaching-up/ separating in which pronation and supination play one of those roles.
@peterpeper4837
@peterpeper4837 8 месяцев назад
Thank you very much for the beautiful lesson.
@peterbrenton410
@peterbrenton410 8 месяцев назад
Looks like a great video series. Looking forward to the next ones
@bsmusicd
@bsmusicd 8 месяцев назад
Great video! I hope to see more on this topic, particularly from Golandsky and Durso.
@mattymcfabb
@mattymcfabb 8 месяцев назад
How have i been playing for thirty years but never really considered this. Thank you!
@meyerbeer13
@meyerbeer13 8 месяцев назад
Because it is unnecessary?
@earlhaywood4372
@earlhaywood4372 8 месяцев назад
It's amazing, if you play sports of any kind these , hand and arm gymnastics come naturally. Sports like proper TENNIS, GOLF, TABLE TENNIS, PICKLE BALL ETC.
@RJSmith-jo7oe
@RJSmith-jo7oe 8 месяцев назад
Wow unfortunately I never had piano lessons (I had organ lessons as a child) and my forearms tend to feel tired after a couple of hours of practice. This is an eye-opener for me. Thank you for this valuable lesson!
@ratboygenius
@ratboygenius 8 месяцев назад
Rotation is a helpful concept but is difficult to teach because if you don't understand it, you can't do it naturally. For me a higher-level concept is don't lock the wrists. Ever. Wrists can go up and down as needed, and side to side, and rotate as needed. And if you try to play with your forearms, you lose the connection to the fingers that the wrist provides. The slight amount of relaxed flexing in the wrists can alleviate the chain of tension that leads to the shoulders and back. What's tricky is learning how the forearm rotation creates the wrist motion, and recognizing the wrist motion is a byproduct of the forearm rotation. Probably martial artists have a better science for this.
@heifie2540
@heifie2540 8 месяцев назад
You are right but without finger- hand- arm alignment I feel pain in my wrist after playing e.g a whole Mozart sonata !
@subplantant
@subplantant 8 месяцев назад
After 20 years as a professional pianist trained only in the shoulder-arm-wrist "weight" method I've only recently discovered what my fingers and hands should have been doing all along. Moving the focus from the arms to the fingers and metacarpophalangeal joints has completely revolutionised my technique. I actually quit playing for a year through burn-out (and an incredibly well-timed pandemic) in order to discover this. Although I also discovered that *willed* forearm rotation is much less useful than I had been led to believe and that rotation should be seen as an epiphenomenon of active fingers supporting the weight of a relaxed arm.
@ratboygenius
@ratboygenius 8 месяцев назад
Under normal playing conditions the wrist should be flat, or even a bit lower than the curve of the fingers, particularly in Mozart. It's a similar ergonomics to typing on a computer keyboard. If you type with your wrists much higher than your knuckles problems arise. @@heifie2540
@disinformationworld9378
@disinformationworld9378 8 месяцев назад
Taubman is right on many things. But the true originator of rotation was Chopin. And yes he spoke about it to his students. But not in the somewhat faulty nonsensical way as taught in the Taubman approach. She got these concepts from Matthay who was also… missing something important. It’s really quite amazing to me how few people have bothered to really look into what Chopin was teaching. Mind blowing really.
@rodnaskel2123
@rodnaskel2123 8 месяцев назад
Where can I read more about these Chopin's ideas?
@BjornHegstad
@BjornHegstad 8 месяцев назад
@@rodnaskel2123 Study the etudes, opus 10 in particular. Look at the left hand in no 9 and no 10, for example.
@subplantant
@subplantant 8 месяцев назад
I'm writing a book about exactly this as we speak!
@macont2145
@macont2145 8 месяцев назад
So why dont you just stop being mystical about it and share those missing points?
@bsmusicd
@bsmusicd 8 месяцев назад
Do you have a source for this assertion? I can find no mentions of rotation in the Eigeldinger book or in Chopin's unpublished method sketches. As far as I'm aware, Matthay was the first person to discuss rotation as a teaching tool.
@wudangmtn
@wudangmtn 8 месяцев назад
Excellent tip. Thank you.
@mmaximk
@mmaximk 7 месяцев назад
Fascinating, thank you.
@DavidMiller-bp7et
@DavidMiller-bp7et 8 месяцев назад
good demos on rotation.
@koenraaddesmet3086
@koenraaddesmet3086 8 месяцев назад
thanks for all these tips. Would you have information about piano-technique for people who have fingers that don't fit between the black keys of the piano.
@psprofessional7825
@psprofessional7825 8 месяцев назад
A great exercise for rotation is chopins first etude in the opus 10 set
@Maibrapiano
@Maibrapiano 6 месяцев назад
I may try this hopefully it will help ❤
@peter5.056
@peter5.056 8 месяцев назад
It's very helpful to practice in view of mirrors, so you can watch yourself playing from the perspective of a teacher.
@miladsoltanalipour8760
@miladsoltanalipour8760 8 месяцев назад
Great video
@margarethansen7480
@margarethansen7480 8 месяцев назад
Thanks, good learnings for us pianists
@johnhancock8463
@johnhancock8463 8 месяцев назад
Thank you
@kovacsdaniel7356
@kovacsdaniel7356 8 месяцев назад
Taubman is ✨gold✨
@JGS007
@JGS007 8 месяцев назад
Interesting. The moment I stopped rotating my playing improved dramatically. I guess this doesn't apply to everyone...
@EmreNurbeyler
@EmreNurbeyler 8 месяцев назад
I was very ready to get angry in the comments when Seymour started talking about rotation in the wrongest way possible, of course he was trolling
@Usefulmusic
@Usefulmusic 7 месяцев назад
It seems that this rotation - just from a 60-second trial - will greatly help to play successive groups of thirds.
@onlinepianoacademy
@onlinepianoacademy 4 месяца назад
Interesting video
@nigeldarrah4573
@nigeldarrah4573 8 месяцев назад
Curious, how does the smooth rotation occur when tucking the thumb up and down the scale? I find myself doing half a rotation then winding up for a full rotation, after the thumb is tucked, to finish the scale. If you could direct me to a resource that covers this specifically, that would be very helpful. Thank you.
@tonebasePiano
@tonebasePiano 7 месяцев назад
@nigeldarrah4573 We’re working on a video about the thumb right now! Stay tuned!
@peterbrenton410
@peterbrenton410 8 месяцев назад
I'm interested in the rotation approach to rapid scale passages in particular
@louiseb4827
@louiseb4827 Месяц назад
Only Golandsky explained rotation in the way that functions for me. The others introduce weird angular movements that will be counter productive for the musical line imo.
@wolfie8748
@wolfie8748 5 месяцев назад
I wish there was a taubman teacher near me
@jojoestoy
@jojoestoy 3 месяца назад
Is rotation applicable fo Bach's Prelude in C minor BWV 999?
@anwmus
@anwmus 8 месяцев назад
Thank you for the lesson. Please what is the name of the beautiful excerpt played at 07:31?
@bsmusicd
@bsmusicd 8 месяцев назад
Nocturne in e minor op. 72 (post.)
@anwmus
@anwmus 8 месяцев назад
@@bsmusicdThank you very much!
@marshwetland3808
@marshwetland3808 8 месяцев назад
Lady in the fantastic funky red and blue dress - gorgeous sounding piano - what kind is it? Beautiful sounding room to play in.
@josephinebrown6631
@josephinebrown6631 8 месяцев назад
Thank you kindly🤍
@davidaronson9475
@davidaronson9475 8 месяцев назад
I can find C's and D's but I have trouble with Ease.
@Konami9999
@Konami9999 Месяц назад
what is she playing at 7:30?
@MrElefantan
@MrElefantan 7 месяцев назад
side note: is Mr Seymour wearing an emerge watch with a button (to press in tgese cases)?
@iampracticingpiano
@iampracticingpiano 8 месяцев назад
I've tried rotation, but it has not helped my playing at all. All that happens is that I get more dizzy with each rotation as I spin on the bench.
@dersuuzala3363
@dersuuzala3363 16 дней назад
You have to feel the movement in a overreact way, then you reduce to its minimum, still u can feel it but invisible for others. Look into invisible technique from Matthay
@fernfunk
@fernfunk 8 месяцев назад
interesting... but don't u naturally rotate like this when playing? how does it look when ur not rotating..?
@caravaggio-wf7ox
@caravaggio-wf7ox 4 месяца назад
aha, okay a lot of theories, but where is the technique in details? and super slow motion?
@EricJohnson-q6s
@EricJohnson-q6s 8 месяцев назад
Well........... what you are actually looking at is..........circumduction. The ability for the finger or wrist or whatever to circulate around the fixed point at its base.
@bsmusicd
@bsmusicd 8 месяцев назад
Circumduction occurs in the shoulder, hip, wrist, metacarpophalangeal, and metatarsophalangeal joints. This video deals with the forearm. The forearm pronates and supinates (rotation).
@EricJohnson-q6s
@EricJohnson-q6s 8 месяцев назад
Thank you! I knew that rotation was not the accurate word. My PT concurred@@bsmusicd
@mmaximk
@mmaximk 7 месяцев назад
@a.a.dehulster7567
@a.a.dehulster7567 4 месяца назад
Much has been said about rotation. This needs in depth scientific research to find out what really happens under the hood. When I start applying rotation consciously, it destroys the evenness of the playing. The fingers need a stable platform imo and not one that wobbles from right to left and vice versa. But maybe I use rotation unconsciously.
@SamiHB-xo9hf
@SamiHB-xo9hf 6 месяцев назад
What is the name of the music here 7:29
@leomiller2291
@leomiller2291 6 месяцев назад
Chopin nocturne in e minor
@SamiHB-xo9hf
@SamiHB-xo9hf 6 месяцев назад
@@leomiller2291 thank you
@marielee4643
@marielee4643 8 месяцев назад
Rotation reminds me of Mozart's Sonatas.
@tom7123
@tom7123 8 месяцев назад
"The free forearm allows me to come in a way that would produce a sound."
@arman2339
@arman2339 7 месяцев назад
I'd like to point out that the arm is too heavy to change direction with rotation as fast as needed for each note. Something else is going on with good playing. Calling it rotation is a simplification, but useful
@poplarboydavid
@poplarboydavid 8 месяцев назад
Does anyone know who the English pianist is?
@martijnvandijk6627
@martijnvandijk6627 8 месяцев назад
7:33 whats that piece called
@leomiller2291
@leomiller2291 6 месяцев назад
Chopin nocturne in e minor
@robotilion9784
@robotilion9784 8 месяцев назад
What is the song she plays at 737
@lauriehassan5864
@lauriehassan5864 7 месяцев назад
Chopin nocturne op. 72 nr 1
@gabewaller3999
@gabewaller3999 8 месяцев назад
Please do a video on Rach 1 it is my first piani concerto im learning
@clhanon31415
@clhanon31415 8 месяцев назад
Video really starts at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rsRGVik0HBM.html
@em8714
@em8714 8 месяцев назад
Could you discuss shoulder rotation?
@user-ns4tv7ko1t
@user-ns4tv7ko1t 5 месяцев назад
And if you’re really advanced at rotating outwards, you can start holding a violin. ;-)
@TomTom53421
@TomTom53421 8 месяцев назад
1:39 hardy har har 🤣
@홍덕화-q1w
@홍덕화-q1w 8 месяцев назад
"일반"학습자가 로테이션이 있다가 아니라 저걸 따라한다? 소리가 어떨지 궁금하네요.....
@bh5606
@bh5606 8 месяцев назад
This is more complicated than the golf swing! Just kidding.
@MikeTooleK9S
@MikeTooleK9S 8 месяцев назад
My dude you need to feel the music
@user-xxxxxn
@user-xxxxxn 3 месяца назад
Use it on a piano NEVER on a pipe organ. . or Harpsichord/clavichord etc. it calls wrist rotation. I heard 'circles' on youtube.. There are a lot of bad teachers on youtube. Don't you think?
@mechasartre3694
@mechasartre3694 8 месяцев назад
Powerful facial hair on that chap.
@jwilliams8210
@jwilliams8210 5 месяцев назад
Ahhhhhh,,.. That's why I can't play Ondine...😃
@justinmusicandskateboardin9282
@justinmusicandskateboardin9282 2 месяца назад
#1 - 5:20 Sorry but this is total nonsense, the rotation does NOT extend the range of your hand at ALL, and that's not even what he did in the following motion he demonstrates. He didn't just rotate his hand, he completely EXTENDED HIS ARM AT THE ELBOW (and also the entire arm at the shoulder joint a little bit most likely) (AND he also moved his entire body a little bit, but that's kind of beside the point) Any rotation of the hand actually makes it's span SMALLER. FACTUALLY. This is very basic physics, it's simply rotating a relatively flat surface above another surface... factually that SHRINKS it's cross sectional area of the shadow it casts from a light shining straight down. Now it may be slightly easier to EXTEND THE WRIST and/or the FINGERS when incorporating rotation, but that doesn't mean the ROTATION is PHYSICALLY EXTENDING YOUR REACH because that is literally the exact OPPOSITE of whats true. Even great teachers sometimes spout nonsense sometimes and I'm not afraid to tell it like it is. I know I'm just a nobody but I also know when I'm factually correct about certain very basic physics principle such how much the rotation of the hand at the forearm actually extends one's "reach" or not. Yes, rotation is good and helps and is necessary to incorporate but not at all because it "EXTENDS YOUR REACH".... it's just about the natural flexibility of the hand and incorporating it's motion into either A - arrpegios and B rolling large chords and C - for DEXTERITY AND ACCURACY when bouncing back and forth between extremely large intervals, but it has nothing to do with "extending the reach".... There is arguably some aspect to it's incorporation of playing any sort of scale figure but much less so. #2 - Want to know the BEST way to strengthen your back arms shoulders and fingers so they NEVER will get "tired" or sore from something like piano playing...? GO TO THE GYM and do some actual RESISTANCE TRAINING. Please, musicians neglect their physical health so much and it pains me how almost every single elderly piano teacher is so frail and weak and it's completely unnecessary
@cecik5578
@cecik5578 8 месяцев назад
This is really overthinking things, to be honest. If your body is relaxed, rotation is a natural byproduct, influenced by phrasing.
@spicy7302
@spicy7302 6 месяцев назад
IF your body is relaxed, which it almost never is with beginners. That's exactly why you teach them rotation and correct movement. You are talking about putting the cart before the horse.
@martinmengh
@martinmengh 20 дней назад
dilettante nonsense
@berlinzerberus4279
@berlinzerberus4279 7 месяцев назад
Nothing new!
@adityathapa3070
@adityathapa3070 6 месяцев назад
Already classical music is dying and you're going to leave a stupid comment like this on one of the only successful classical music channels?
@berlinzerberus4279
@berlinzerberus4279 5 месяцев назад
This comment is NOT stupid. Franz Liszt thought this already!
@antoniomonteiro3698
@antoniomonteiro3698 8 месяцев назад
please remove Golannsky and Durso so that this advertisement is less cringey.
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